My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadian and oddities) - Part 3

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 13 Jan, 2009, 8:21pm

Hey check this out:
(Marshall Vian Summers)





















I ran across this by accident while reading up on Evil Pam nefarious activities (LOL). I looked him up on youtube as she criticized this guy and said he was like me and unlike alot of other experiencers/channelers and their messages.

So I started to check him out to see what was so different from the "common message" in "universal agreement". I have only listened to the first part so far, but he is remarkably similar in some ways it seems.

He even mentions the children and their proposed roles in the future as I heard of it.

He even parallels some of the stuff the advisor has said.

Edit: What do you guys know of this guy? Is he sane or insane or does he keep some deep dark secret locked away in some book?]
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 13 Jan, 2009, 8:49pm

http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/book1.php
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 13 Jan, 2009, 9:37pm

Very interesting good sir.

The only thing I'm having trouble with is not knowing what he is talking about when he's speaking of "knowledge". I haven't a clue what he means that we aren't using knowledge. What is knowledge, in this sense, and why or how is it so powerful?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by montalk on 13 Jan, 2009, 11:05pm


13 Jan, 2009, 9:37pm, q wrote:
The only thing I'm having trouble with is not knowing what he is talking about when he's speaking of "knowledge". I haven't a clue what he means that we aren't using knowledge. What is knowledge, in this sense, and why or how is it so powerful?


I was confused too for a while about what it meant. Summers defines it as higher spiritual intelligence. In the Allies books it's explained as a deep inner knowing that goes beyond mere vague intuition. So it's more a clairvoyant intuition, something like the gnosis of the gnostics.

The point being that this is a direct connection with higher truth (maybe the higher Self?) which is a place that disinformation, telepathic persuasion, and other trickery cannot touch. Our lower emotions and intellect can be played like a fiddle by disinfo and persuasion, but there's a part of us beyond emotions and intellect that can recognize and defeat this. So Summers (or the Allies through him) are saying this is what's needed when dealing with off-world forces. He spells it "Knowledge" with a capital "K."

Fore, I'm not aware of anything verifiably negative about Summers. Only criticism I've heard is some people being bored by his slow monotonous method of delivery, and that after the Allies briefings he's turned to relaying messages supposedly from God, and that some questioned why only Summers was chosen to relay the Allies message (explained in the book as being to preserve the purity of the message by preventing multiple recipients arguing over who has the true Allies message).

Myself, I find the message very limited to the physical domain, no mention of phasing, hyper-dimensional stuff, energy harvesting, or anything... either it was left out to avoid causing even more confusion, or the Allies themselves were completely physical beings like ourselves and didn't know about that stuff, or there's ill intent behind that. To its credit, the material does mention the "Mental Environment" and how negative forces wage wars on this level through psychic persuasion (thought insemination and direct telepathic pressure) to get their way, and that we have to be strong in "Knowledge" to not succumb to that.

Despite all this, I still like the Allies books and what Summers has to say, because so few are saying anything along those lines, and because he does stress the importance of discernment and higher understanding, which is better than fake spiritual systems that advocate mindless self-tranquilization and subjective emotionalism.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by oba on 14 Jan, 2009, 4:50am


13 Jan, 2009, 11:05pm, montalk wrote:

13 Jan, 2009, 9:37pm, q wrote:
The only thing I'm having trouble with is not knowing what he is talking about when he's speaking of "knowledge". I haven't a clue what he means that we aren't using knowledge. What is knowledge, in this sense, and why or how is it so powerful?


I was confused too for a while about what it meant. Summers defines it as higher spiritual intelligence. In the Allies books it's explained as a deep inner knowing that goes beyond mere vague intuition. So it's more a clairvoyant intuition, something like the gnosis of the gnostics.

The point being that this is a direct connection with higher truth (maybe the higher Self?) which is a place that disinformation, telepathic persuasion, and other trickery cannot touch. Our lower emotions and intellect can be played like a fiddle by disinfo and persuasion, but there's a part of us beyond emotions and intellect that can recognize and defeat this. So Summers (or the Allies through him) are saying this is what's needed when dealing with off-world forces. He spells it "Knowledge" with a capital "K."

Fore, I'm not aware of anything verifiably negative about Summers. Only criticism I've heard is some people being bored by his slow monotonous method of delivery, and that after the Allies briefings he's turned to relaying messages supposedly from God, and that some questioned why only Summers was chosen to relay the Allies message (explained in the book as being to preserve the purity of the message by preventing multiple recipients arguing over who has the true Allies message).

Myself, I find the message very limited to the physical domain, no mention of phasing, hyper-dimensional stuff, energy harvesting, or anything... either it was left out to avoid causing even more confusion, or the Allies themselves were completely physical beings like ourselves and didn't know about that stuff, or there's ill intent behind that. To its credit, the material does mention the "Mental Environment" and how negative forces wage wars on this level through psychic persuasion (thought insemination and direct telepathic pressure) to get their way, and that we have to be strong in "Knowledge" to not succumb to that.

Despite all this, I still like the Allies books and what Summers has to say, because so few are saying anything along those lines, and because he does stress the importance of discernment and higher understanding, which is better than fake spiritual systems that advocate mindless self-tranquilization and subjective emotionalism.


quality of data seems to hinge on several factors including.
1) intent / moral integrity of data providers.
2) ability of recipient to synthsize/ integrate said data.
3) applicability of said data to actual social conditions.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 14 Jan, 2009, 6:42am

Thank you, Montalk, for the much needed education.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by feritciva on 14 Jan, 2009, 1:07pm

I like Allies of Humanity material. Their concept of "Knowledge" reminds me of WingMakers' Sovereign Integral or Gnostics' Pleroma. But it also seem to have some missing points which Montalk wrote above. It is too "physical". Here's some excerpts from the first book:


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Humanity is approaching a very dangerous and very important time in its collective development. You are on the verge of emerging into a Greater Community of intelligent life. You will be encountering other races of beings who are coming to your world seeking to protect their interests and to discover what opportunities may lie ahead. They are not angels or angelic beings. They are not spiritual entities. They are beings who are coming to your world for resources, for alliances and to gain an advantage in an emerging world. They are not evil. They are not holy. In that, they are also much like you. They are simply driven by their needs, their associations, their beliefs and their collective goals.

This is a very great time for humanity, but humanity is not prepared. From our vantage point, we can see this on a larger scale. We do not involve ourselves with the daily lives of individuals in the world. We do not attempt to persuade governments or to lay claim to certain parts of the world or to certain resources that exist there. Instead, we observe, and we wish to report what we observe, for this is our mission in being here.

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From my POV "mainstream" Ufology is like a disinformation/misinformation/"hey i know more than you" / "of course not, i am perfect you're crap" game. Especially US citizens love to play this game a lot - which makes them hard to endure (pls no offense, this is a long time observation of a non-US seeker & OM Forum is NOT mainstream for me, that's why I'm happy to be a member). They really like to behave like USA is the ONE and ONLY place on planet earth and all other civilisations / cultures are collateral. So normally, some other cultures or ancient beliefs may not be taken into consideration. But when one looks at these sources the whole picture seems a bit different. There is new thread here on OM (sorry I'm too lazy to link) discussing the possibility of UTH's rather than ETH's*. I believe that. They are really hyperdimensional. For example Anatolia has a detailed djinn tradition. These djinns appear & disappear at will, they can show themselves to some people, they can communicate with some people etc. I always thought they're some UTH beings. Kind of Neil Gaimanesque. And these beings all have their own agenda. As it is said in Allies mateiral, I think this is not good or evil. This is the way universe operates - at least this part of universe. Just like we have different ways / lifestyles / laws / traditions in different parts of the earth.

The point is being ready when the time comes to face them. We all have different pieces of information on this preparation process & I thank to all of you who contribute to this thread & some other very informative threads on OM.


* EDIT: Ok, enough laziness, here's the link: http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index....lay&thread=4851

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 20 Jan, 2009, 3:31am

You mentioned the advisor having kids.

What were your relationship with them? If any.
Did you ever notice a "Husband" type with the advisor?
What was your relationship? If any.

Did the advisor talk about marriage in her culture?
Anything close that comes to mind?

What was her spirtual beliefs on sex?

Did she ever disclose the reasons you where forbidden and conditioned to avoid sex?

Did you have sex during your contact with aliens?
What was the effect of the action?
Did the experience "coincidentally" turn out bad?
Does it now seem suspicious?

Have you progressed your audibly telepathy?

Hows life?

When you RV does it feel like you enter a body?
If so have you RVed your own RV body?
Have you ever RVed one point in two different vantage points?
Have you ever RVed a ship, alien inhabited planet?
Have you had discussions with the aliens inhabited on the planet?
Did you ever meet the alien on earth?


The random questions IDK where they are coming from, but I feel no one has asked you anything in a long time...so, ya.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 20 Jan, 2009, 11:25am


20 Jan, 2009, 3:31am, 369 wrote:
You mentioned the advisor having kids.


Two teen like girls who (if I am not mistaken) appeared to give the impression that they were very similar if not twins...(I keep wondering about it). They certainly weren't what I would call bashful at all.


20 Jan, 2009, 3:31am, 369 wrote:
What were your relationship with them? If any.
None, I just met them once.


20 Jan, 2009, 3:31am, 369 wrote:
Did you ever notice a "Husband" type with the advisor?
She made references when I brought up the idea. In the way she put it to me at the time, she referred to him as a significant person in her life. An important person for her.

I don't remember her using the word "husband".


20 Jan, 2009, 3:31am, 369 wrote:
What was your relationship? If any.
None, I never met him as far as I know. She only referenced him when I asked about any significant others. She also referenced her mother lightly when asked about it. I don't remember asking her about her father.


20 Jan, 2009, 3:31am, 369 wrote:
Did the advisor talk about marriage in her culture?
Nope. not really. They openly declare each others love supposedly in a festive way between other closely related people as she indicated a long time ago. But nothing I gathered like a permanent marriage or like our own customs.


20 Jan, 2009, 3:31am, 369 wrote:
Anything close that comes to mind?
Only what I wrote above.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 20 Jan, 2009, 11:34am


20 Jan, 2009, 3:31am, 369 wrote:
What was her spirtual beliefs on sex?


That is going to take a good deal of writing to cover so many different beliefs and insights she shared. Some I adopted, other I totally rejected, and yet others I pondered about.

How I feel about it is probably a total dichotomy.

This part of your question is going to take time to answer and will probably happen over several posts. It's a topic that is as nuanced as this whole thread. Lots of topics to touch on.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 20 Jan, 2009, 9:57pm

Take your time, but make it before economic collapse.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Jan, 2009, 8:00am

That's in like what...3 months till the next low record? Boy I better hurry then, hehe.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Jan, 2009, 8:07am

I laid awake at night last night rummaging through so many memories of the past, 369. May I call you publicly by your first real name?.

I started to plan out what I should and shouldn't say in answering your questions. What I was comfortable and wasn't comfortable in answering. Boy, what a page turner of memories I had to rummage through.

But in doing so, I realized some things which changed my former attitude and former views while examining the record of my life. I realized something in the process that wasn't quite so obvious when looking at it from being in the "thick" of it all.

Let me post my response in segment as it will help me better to digest everything I want to say to give a fair shake to all parties involved in my upbringing. The fundamentals of your question, raised many other topics and I feel I want to relay at least some of it so people understand why I feel and act the way I do now, in the present.

Also it may give some insight into just what kind of life I was pushed to endure in the process. And why I am lacking in certain areas compared to other people.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Jan, 2009, 8:44am

I thought of answering your question by way of a timeline format. But to be honest, that would not give me and no doubt "them" a fair shake on what actually happened and how it affected me.

Remember that this is (obligatory disclaimer) my view on what went on. What actually went on may be more complicated and more may need to be said by my group on the subject than I'd be willing to share if they spoke up for themselves.

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The first thing to note is that I was an early bloomer when it comes to the subject of sex. You asked: What were her spiritual beliefs on sex.

I thought about the meaning behind the question for a bit. And I came to the conclusion that it can be answered in numerous ways. The first thing to observe in my life is that I had a woman who was keeping tabs on me almost around the clock. Reguardless of whether anyone else was aware of it or not.

Some suspected something because of their inner intuition. Some were baffled by my situation. Some (i learned later) were idiotic in the assumptions.

So let me answer your story in the way I feel most comfortable: Long winded and complicated with lots of considerations to many situations all bunched together.

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First, there is nothing wrong with me in my sexual aspects. (To put it bluntly)

While I was growing up, the advisor "manipulated me" in several ways. As crazy as that may sound to some, bear with me and you'll realize why I say this is true.

The first aspect of my life that stands out as being abnormal from anyone else's, was the fact that I had huge amounts of paranormal activity and ET activity while growing up. So much, that I may possibly put some ET experiencers and paranormal experiencers to shame in a certain sense.

From the onset of being a tiny little toddler I was followed about by a woman primarily and various other entities. I was not ignorant of many things in my environment because I had plenty of input from the advisor on just about everything. Including on the concepts of sex, later on.

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If you step into my shoes and run through my memories. The first thing that you will notice was that I didn't have to think. If I wanted to know something, more often than not, the advisor would answer my questions.

So thinking about things and learning how to deal with issues was nothing more than a thought away before she would notice and promptly provide me with answers.

If I didn't know something she would either tell me directly, or help me to figure it out without any adult or teacher supervision.

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Problem: People on the outside looking at me would assume I was "very intelligent". Or they would see me behaving extremely mature for my age.

The reality was that I wasn't "mature" nor "very intelligent" compared to any of them. It was all stimulation and interaction with my group.

I was expected to behave according to how the advisor defined I should behave. She was (to me) the intelligent one. She was sort of like "big sis" who knew everything I ever wanted to know. (a bit temperamental though!)

I never considered her a sister or anything though. But I put it that way so you and anyone else reading can understand it in your own context and experience.

I saw her as my "caretaker" even thought I didn't know the word back then. As a little child all I knew was that she was someone I looked up to for answers and guidance. And she lent herself to that role.

She was the know it all. She knew "better".

My mom just happened to take care of all the rest that was left over. The advisor took care of the rest.

From the outside: I seemed to be well behaved beyond my immediate family. I seemed to know alot and was very reserved and shy.

Not really because I wanted to be. It was mostly because that's what the advisor demanded I be in public spaces.

When I first entered school, I was admired by nuns for my well behaved attitude. I was known to be very intelligent but not very open with others. Always serious.

The well behaved attitude was because of the advisor always chastising me into what was proper and improper behavior. The intelligent appearance was because the advisor was the one who talked with me about so many topics and shared her grand knowledge about so many things. Teaching me and educating me.

In the process of communicating with her and ther other ET's, I learned a great deal of information well before my age dictated I should. I was also dealing with very intelligent beings and that required dealing intelligently with them.

Problem: That started to set me apart from other children. The divergence in mentality and values starts there.


I started to realize how other children were extremely childish and base in their responses. ::) I began to notice that the average mentality by normal individuals was rather low.

When I met with intelligent people I cherished my time with them even with my rather shy disposition. I was instructed many many times to keep the advisor and the others a secret.

I readily agreed because no one in preschool or elementary would even talk about those topics.

....And when they did....the advisor was on the prowl to suppress my urges and need to talk. And boy was she extremely pushy. [probably for the better anyway]

As you can tell, this is a life of secrets, supression and deprivation. Your secret gets heavier and the gradual changes to your mentality and point of view begin to diverge from what is supposed to be the norm.

The older I became the more the advisor had a hand in everything. Eventually, and regrettably, the suspension of my own thinking process.

I didn't need to think. She was always right. She always knew everything about anything. I didn't have to apply myself. I only needed to listen and follow instructions as directed.

I was pretty unhappy about it.

(Cont...)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 22 Jan, 2009, 9:48am


22 Jan, 2009, 8:07am, fore wrote:
I laid awake at night last night rummaging through so many memories of the past, 369. May I call you publicly by your first real name?.
Yes.

I started to plan out what I should and shouldn't say in answering your questions. What I was comfortable and wasn't comfortable in answering. Boy, what a page turner of memories I had to rummage through.

But in doing so, I realized some things which changed my former attitude and former views while examining the record of my life. I realized something in the process that wasn't quite so obvious when looking at it from being in the "thick" of it all.

Kool, I'm happy for you.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Jan, 2009, 9:57am

Which leads to many other problems as time goes on.

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For one, the inability to make critical decision without double checking with her. At an advanced age I finally began to realize strongly that I couldn't makes a basic decision without making sure I was doing it right according to her.

I am pretty sure she noticed it as well.

But going back into the elementary days...

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Time that was normally supposed to go into discovering oneself was instead put into *constructing oneself* as they deemed necessary.

My group would say that I was under observation, that I needed to prove myself to them and make decisions as they sought me to make them. That I was constantly being profiled to measure how effective I was in their eyes.

The advisor was a bit more gentle about it than the males and the other unnamed ET's were.

But she let me know that *somewhere* there was a profile of my activities and responses to situations. She would impress upon me that if I wanted a significant role in the future, then I needed to apply myself and excel.

She then began to apply her own set of principles upon which I should learn to live by. Principles which I wasn't too sure were a good idea in the first place. But nonetheless I deferred to her "better judgment".

She began to show me since before pre-school about ethics and morals. Luckily they were in line with that of what my parents showed me. But hers were far more strict and all encompassing.

If you can impress nuns, teachers, principles, and older folks with your behavior and performance. That says something about what the advisor taught me.

Problem: It was all her own goals. None of it was my intention to begin with. I derived no great pleasure from any of it. I didn't even seek it. It was just a consequence of following instructions as they were given.

As you can imagine, this lead to some fairly unsatisfying years of life. Anyone looking at me from the outside would be singing praises. But the only one who wasn't was me.

Very high ethical standards and very high moral doctrine was impressed upon me. Hell, it was shoved into my brain whether I wanted it or not. Telepathically, I was receiving loads and loads of information and instruction that no ordinary person would mistake a child for having developed it.

I seemed so mature and a "straight shooter" that the adults just couldn't help themselves in giving awards and whatever. I liked the praise but I was largely indifferent to it. It was just another task to complete. I often thought internally, if only they knew it was all from her leading me and not my own ambition.

My dissatisfaction increased greatly. And I got more telepathically vocal with the advisor and gave her plenty of lip for how dissatisfied I was with it all. Sure I was intelligent and her lessons did help to make me a better person.

But boy was I totally dissatisfied with it all. It was useless from my point of view. I often thought in her presence how this wasn't what I was after.

But it wasn't what I wanted that my group was seemingly worried about. It was what they wanted to achieve by making me jump through all those hoops.

And then the emotional drama started to develop. I started to repress my feelings and utilize a developing skill which had developed over years of interacting with such intelligent beings.

I started to become very angry with everyone and everything. I started to care less about everything as everything was always going wrong anyway.

I started to run amok in certain aspects of my personality. I started to view things coldly and intellectually without any regard to emotions. I started to refer to other individuals as unintelligent things.

Dissatisfied with life and the ever constant strain of keeping up with the demands of my group to develop further in several areas they asked for, I started to imitate their intelligence type and started treating other people as simply a logical situation.

I started lashing out and stopped caring.

The advisor had several dozens of talks with me in my room and would ask me how I felt. She would give me advice and explain so many things.

She was the one who convinced me not to be so cold and uncaring. She asked me to consider everything I engaged with more than an appeal to reason. She taught me to reel myself back in from my destructive behavior and gain perspective.

As always, she had the solution. So I followed, willingly, the advice and heart to heart she had with me. From there on I put into practice what she was telling me and I dropped a bad mentality I was developing in.

Crisis averted. For now.

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Then came sexuality. This is a touchy subject for me as there is a dichotomy of good and bad to what follows.

It can be seen in both senses.

Most people would say, that the advisor, the primary figure who took care of me besides my parents extended a tough life lesson.

I learned many things from her that made me into the person I am today. A better person, I think and feel. But it came at a great sacrifice to me in a personal way.

Time that could have been spent in personal gratification was instead spent on achieving goals well beyond what my age should have dictated.

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Ignorance was forcibly cut out of the equation .

Something which is inherently natural to the human process of natural development. That is the conclusion I came to many years ago and last night again.

I wasn't really given a chance to grow. I was force fed and lead into specific kinds of growth...kicking and screaming and crying for all the lost opportunities to be a child and an adolescent. All the way to where I am now.

Ignorance, was not allowed in my case.

If I wanted to do something which was wrong, it was my right to learn the hard way how it was wrong. Instead, the advisor pushed onto me the notification of what my actions would lead to without being asked.

She inherently interfered in my development. She pushed me to make decisions which were clearly displayed before a mistake even took place. Personally, I don't think that is fair.

I believe I was never given an honest shot at ignorance. And while some will decry that I was too darn lucky. Imagine having someone following you around and telling you exactly what will happen next and giving you the right answer for the next 20 years.

How would you feel being forced out of any kind of state of ignorance and confronted with the right and wrong choice? How could you pick the wrong choice without being utterly guilty of an unconscionable action?

The advisor never really gave me a choice in this, she clearly went over the choices and didn't allow me the ignorance or the opportunity to learn from mistakes. Very few mistakes of any describable degree ever occurred in my life.

;D Shoot, the few mistakes I did make...I was kind of proud of them. It made me feel bad at the time. But boy did it feel good to ignore her just those handful of times and make the mistake on my own accord. I learned my lesson not from her dictations and advanced wisdom. But from ramming head on into the incidents.

I look back and I feel good about at least those small fumbles that I created on my own. I learned the lessons. And I look back on them with some measure of love.

It is deeply unsatisfying to be pulled away, almost by force, by someone pointing out what you will do in your near future and why you shouldn't do it. Geez! Like I told her way back then, you kill the "spice" of life.

Life in her little cage is like living in a fenced in area. With morals to your left, ethics to your right, rules to your front and "her" behind you.

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I'm not saying shes wrong or anything, but d**n, I am a freaking "3D" guy [in new age speak]. Let me live a little! Why in hell was she trying to make me live up to some "5D" kinds of standards?!

It's not like the wild men/women of this freaking earth are going to give a flying <bleep> anyway. They have their own paradigm and their own little nest and their own way.

Unfortunately, I would have preferred their level of ignorance and lifestyle than being blinded by ideals that are incongruent with the world at large.

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Here is a bit of 3D wisdom: If someone punches you, you punch them back twice as hard.

Here is what the advisor taught: You don't respond with violence.

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Lame, very lame. It's "right" ultimately, but when you live among a majority of savages, why differentiate yourself? If they had at least answered that question for me, I could have lived with the seemingly pointless lessons.

Instead, I see the lessons as being totally useless and pointless. A burden that took away precious time from my life. I don't see anyone giving me any medals for valor or anything. Bah, too bad I agree with the lessons. Maybe I have been infected with an ET philosophical disease.

Gah, I can imagine the advisor is going to talk down to me someday about what I am saying.

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Anyway,

(Cont)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by jakereason on 22 Jan, 2009, 6:14pm


22 Jan, 2009, 8:07am, fore wrote:
I laid awake at night last night rummaging through so many memories of the past, 369. May I call you publicly by your first real name?.

I started to plan out what I should and shouldn't say in answering your questions. What I was comfortable and wasn't comfortable in answering. Boy, what a page turner of memories I had to rummage through.

But in doing so, I realized some things which changed my former attitude and former views while examining the record of my life. I realized something in the process that wasn't quite so obvious when looking at it from being in the "thick" of it all.


I am reading with extreme interest. You are doing something wonderful here Fore, and I thank you for it.

G-d speed.

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I listened to the entire interview of Marshall Vian Summers last night. As well as read up to page 80 of his "Book One".

I further read Montalk's excellent analysis of the visitors, that Garuda has kindly posted in another link -Here-.

Thank you all! Many pieces of the puzzle are coming together for me.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by agent99 on 22 Jan, 2009, 6:28pm

Right Jake! Fore's material that he's been sharing with us here is indeed fascinating!
Thanks Fore! You've certainly had an interesting life and I hope you decide to put it all in a book someday too!

I have a question for Fore...

Are there any members here in this forum who have actually had some kind of contact with those entities that you have been in contact with as a result of any intentional "sending" on your part?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 23 Jan, 2009, 3:18pm


23 Jan, 2009, 2:58am, drewlac wrote:


http://www.exopolitics.org/Report-ET-Motivations.htm


You know, I am never used to the "dumbstruck" feeling I get when I see distant sources far removed from me, relating similar (if not the same) stories.

I keep being amazed by how the ET woman who was with me much of the time seemed to relay the same kinds of stories as all these other ET's that up and about in the world.

I didn't read Dr Salla's full article. But I glanced around in certain relevant sections while skimming. Just to see what he would say about certain ET species. I found it a bit surprising when I noticed that he mentioned Siruis B and the war that the advisor mentioned.

What are the chances of that happening?

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I then tried to continue reading onwards to the other (I suppose?) humaniod categories. There I found oddly similar stories as those told by the advisor. Except she didn't exactly use the names mentioned in those articles.

In fact, she didn't use any names...only descriptions.

The story of the other humaniods sounds really similar like a story she once told me but resisted because I told her to stop relaying stupid stories at the time.

She sometimes retold the stories years apart at different ages and from my Point Of View I took it to mean she was trying to pull the wool over my eyes or something nefarious like brainwashing me. While they make good camp fire material, I just couldn't swallow the stories she tried to impart on those rare occasions.

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Anyway, part of the stories she relayed dealt with is what happens to humanity in the longer term future. Sometimes some of her stories were like as if she were retelling a history lesson. Other times it was as if she were talking about projections or predictions in other references she made.

Was it a type of obfuscation on her part? Or was I simply confused? Her stories had alot of detail and depth sometimes and I admit my recall is not the best when it comes to the huge level of depth her stories had in them.

The other listed stories in the article of the humanoids (Procyons,etc) sounds like a similar story line she often did not relay. Of how humanity was supposedly going to advance into the local stars. According to one of her stories before I told her she was backing up the wrong tree with her fables. She said that humanity would eventually leave the earth and populate other regions in the future.

I don't remember all the details since I marked it as a low priority for remembering. (I'll explain later what I mean)


The little I remember of how she told it...I vaguely remember her saying some stuff about humanity progressing to other star systems and eventually having some kind of ~renaissance~ of cultural evolution.

She said that during that period of time they would meet other nearby ET's in the region by overlapping activities. Then (if I think I remember it right?) something about the conflict between ET types and that of the human descendants.

She made a point, I remember vaguely, of saying that they were from the "adjusted timeline". It was her way of saying, they are or will be from the time she is describing.

Though from what I remember she framed all the activities in the sense of a race she likened to something similar to a grey in shape but not a grey. It had features (I can barely recall) of green skin tones. I vaguely remember some of the scenes she expressed. The eyes weren't like that of a Grey at all. It was different. Like a sort of rounded cat or crocodile eyes.

Black background pupils with a weaving pattern of red, light yellow eyes. I dunno what animal might have that kind of eyes so I am trying my best to match an approximation from the vague memories.

Anyway, the described ET she showed doesn't really seem to have much of anything to do with greys. They just have the same basic shape (humaniod). I cannot say they even have the same kind of wideset eyes. If I saw a picture I could probably identify it.

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Anyway, she said this kind of war occurred in the distant future. That it would take up many lives and established worlds. Something about differences between our descendants and the genuine ET. And the conflict started something of disjointed war of eliminating one another from the picture.

She rounded out what little I remember of the story with these human descendants and the ET in the overlapping region beginning what was relayed as a small time war between the two to stop the expansion and interference.

She described this epoc (is that the right word to use?) of the human future as being very nasty and that it eventually goes into a dormant state of some kind. Don't remember why.

What else...?

Oh, she also said some of those ET's travel back and forth at varying intervals trying to control events between that period of time and now. She doesn't describe them (from what I can recall) as being super high technology cultures. But more of between where we are and where the advisor said they were.

The few times she opted to tell this story I do remember always blowing her off on it. (stupid me?)

The funny thing about her story is that it sounds like one big complicated affair. Where we may be seeing ET's from different temporal origins.

And her story leads to some contradictions which I cannot make sense of in simple way.

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Unless it is all a huge affair of real ET's and genuine future humans futzing around with events. It would probably give montalk a major headache in just trying to figure out if we are being visited by different fruitloops from distant times as well as places.

Which then raises the biggest headache, what if the human looking ET's are US from a several different points in our evolutionary roll out into the universe?

What if some of the ET's are the same?

It makes me wonder of some of the teasing she put me through when she asked me what I would think if I was her great(x10) grand father?

Time loops? Sounds like a Time Knot!

I'd love to take a blood sample from one of these humanoid ET. I would like to just figure out whether they are really human derivatives or naturally occurring species that have no ties to human development.

So far a PCR result from some guy in Australia indicates at least one female nordic/pleiadean had very human DNA. Part of her DNA seemed to belong to a group of human ancestors with possible genetic engineering in the mix. Her genetic heritage though was extremely rare it seemed from the results.

Could they be a missing element from our ancestors and not our descendants? Or vice versa?

Questions, questions...
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But anyway, just reading parts of the article brought back that odd memory of her saying some really strange stuff.



Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 23 Jan, 2009, 9:55pm


26 Oct, 2008, 7:37pm, 369 wrote:
The way I view life is like this. I believe in reincarnation. This puts alot of worries away for me because I know at some point I will remember this life as a being with higher intelligence.
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If aliens can time travel and reincarnation exist, do you think that an alien future reincarnation of yourself could actually be speaking to you now?

I enjoy the thought of this concept.


I posted this in my blog.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 24 Jan, 2009, 6:52am

Fore I had some questions I hope you will not mind, if for any reason you do not feel comfortable answering them please do feel free to ignore them or just answer it as "no comment at this time" is fine. I can understand if certain nuances are better left alone.

Anywho here goes nothing, and crossing my fingers I do not upset you or anyone watching over you.

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You speak of the advisor consistently showing, describing, and explaining the outcomes to potential decisions that you needed to make. There was also a nudge of sorts towards the correct decision.

Do you feel this may have affected your timeline in some significant manner?

Would you be a different person today, or would things ultimately still have balanced themselves out, to place you in your current position with or without interference?

Had you been allowed to make the critical decisions without input, would there have been any direct or indirect impact to others outside of the immediate circle comprised of your family and friends ?

How wide would the ripple affect have been on a decision made contrary to advice provided? Specifically looking for a potential worst-case scenario as it would have been explained to you by the advisor.

Are there any additional precautionary measures in place to mitigate potential damage caused by people who make a detrimental decision without the benefit of someone feeding them a critical path analysis?

Do our decisions affect the other races in any way or are our actions isolated and contained in such a way that they have no affect on any entity that is not native to the earth's biosphere.

Under an expectation that are our action have no effect on outside entities or their reality, what if anything would constitute a reasonable concern justifying intervention at the level you experienced, was this explained to you?

Under an expectation that are our actions do have an effect on outside entities, what is this impact and at what level within their society do they feel this effect?

Did the advisor ever explain if she was a native to our biosphere even if from a different timeline or dimension but still within the space/time construct of Earth?

What about the greys in your opinion based on what you were taught native or non-native?

Did the advisor ever express a wish or desire outside of the calculated logic of a deterministic existence, or express anything which did not have a purpose toward some calculated outcome?

How did the advisor define freedom of self and choice?

Do you agree with the advisor on her definition or justification of what constitutes freedom of choice? Are you able to explain why you agree or disagree?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 29 Jan, 2009, 4:24am


28 Jan, 2009, 3:40am, dreamoftheiris wrote:

27 Jan, 2009, 7:47pm, fore wrote:
I can't say I made friends with ultra popular people as we had very little in common.

Though I was voted "most likely to succeed" at my HS. ;D 8-)



Lol, I can imagine why you wouldn't get along with them. Kind of a side question, but I wonder if your contacts ever helped you with school work? Like gave you answers to test and things like that?


Sort of, yes and no.

My God given talent is probably my communicative ability. That and liking analytical things. So I guess I was born for the occasion. [joke ;D]

I scored pretty well in most tests and school work. But I didn't do *any* homework. PERIOD!

So for all the A's I got I got plenty of zero's. It balanced itself out. Some of my teachers said I was a mediocre student and others wanted me to be in advanced classes.

I wasn't very applied in anything since it was all really boring stuff. I do admit though that I never understood algebra. It was a sore weakness of mine since I couldn't make heads of tails of the symbols used to signify shorthand computation.

Since the symbols used in math and my brain didn't meet at some understanding, I would fail that subject pretty badly. Not that I couldn't do computation and complex math. I just couldn't use the system that the old doods behind algebra made up.

So I would do all the answers in my head which they don't encourage in school. So while I could come up with the answer in my head, I couldn't do it on paper. I would only use the paper in front of me as a method of keeping track of numbers or fragments of mental processes in my head.

The "A" students wouldn't understand the brief notations as the rest of it was in my head and my teachers wouldn't accept the answers without it being written down on paper.

So I scribbled the method down on paper for their convinience but it wasn't in algebraic format.

----------------------------

One time in particular they asked me to solve a simple geometry problem and when I asked the advisor how to do the problem she would instruct me to break down the problem into simpler tasks.

But in an intelligent way. When applied I would just write the basic notes on the chalkboard and obviously none of the kids would understand how I arrived at the answer. When the teacher and the advanced students would ask to see my paper (because I got the right answer but showed no proof) they would ask me to explain it on the board.

So I did exactly that and broke down the problem into simpler steps using raw logic. Even though I was applying similar forms like that in algebra it was just more mental than algebraic in nature. It was alot simpler than the methods the kids were learning from my point of view. The teacher sent me to my desk and would ask someone else to look into the answer. (They'd take their time doing the whole formula and all)

The problem was that the advisor said and demanded that I could carry out most tasks mentally without paper. She was very mentally orientated and said something akin to real knowledge needs to be applied without anything else as a crutch.

Her way of saying that "use your brain" and not to rely on paper or a method you can't perform on task.

The advisor was pretty amazing in instructing me on how to break down seemingly complex problems into simpler problems.

================================================

Language was the same kind of guidance. They said they required me to know alot of words. Even though I did not know what the words mean they would pop in when I had a question and define the meaning of the words. Almost every answer was a question away.

It is like living with an ET encyclopedia at the other end via a telepathic link. Both the advisor and the males were full of knowledge, so asking them was rather easy and they would give complicated and engaging lessons about how concepts relate to one another.

In that, the males and the advisor were very nice about it. You could always depend on that from them.

Anyway, the advisor said I needed to have advanced language skills. There would be many days were I would wake up with knowledge of new words that I had no idea where they came from or what they meant. I certainly didn't learn them from anyone. I suppose they transferred the information and tons and tons and tons of other concepts that, even now, I am not fully aware of.

As soon as I start to use my higher mind my mind fills up with oodles of information about anything I want to know.


In language I did just as well too. Sometimes better than the advanced kids. But like always, I never did homework and all the teachers were frustrated over that.

Usually I was put as someone's partner to teach them. (science, language, math etc.) But the problem was, I didn't learn it from school or at least not the concepts.

So when it came time to explain it to someone else, I had no idea "how" to explain it formally as I didn't really pay much attention in class. I was known (im not kidding) as the yawner in class.

I would yawn no less than 50 to 100 times per class per period. It was from interacting too much with my group even while I was asleep. Either my abilities kept feeding me information 24x7x365 or the paranormal entities would bother me day in and day out.

My teachers were always mystified as to why I was so sleepy and lethargic all day. I Couldn't get any rest! I was either slumping in my chair while yawning or putting my head down during class while yawning periodically.

One girl, when I was young, would ask me to have some "etiquette" and not open my mouth so wide when I yawned. Very embarrassing stuff, LOL. But she had a solid point. My teachers would wonder why I would seemingly always be so tired. God if only they knew....

Most of the time, when I wasn't yawning, I was talking with the advisor or day dreaming. In either case, I would look like I was staring off into the distance. Or I would set my eyes at someone nearby in wonderment and the person would thinking I was staring at them.

I generally had those bad habits. So people thought I was weird until I got used to it. I also didn't talk with mindless or idiotic people so I gave many people the silent treatment. But once they knew me well enough they would tell other people I was a pretty nice guy I was just always sleepy or distracted.

This had somewhat to do with my extended use of my telepathy with the advisor. After talking to so many ET's you notice they don't really use their audio-able voice. (Though I have caught the advisor sometimes using it while I was waking up sometimes)

So I got used to telepathy alot and even though my language skills were pretty good (hell in another league compared to my peers), I didn't talk with people who were either unfriendly or idiotic.

Some would get pissed off when I would intentionally ignore them.

For everybody else I would talk at length. Mostly with the female half since they had alot of interesting things to say and most guys were locked into a really base mentality, as it seems culture dictated they had to be, to join in on the game of life.

================================================

So yeah, I learned alot and my group took alot of my time. Too much I would say. I can honestly say it had some negative impact in my development as a person. Until recently, I didn't know what kind of music I liked or have a well defined sense of self.

Everything was just a task. Their interference was both a boon and a bust. Having someone who is almost always present and instructing you in your development is abnormal to say the least. It doesn't allow much room for actual personal growth.

I always lived very far and separated from friends. So no friends ever visited and I was in a virtual bubble of isolation with my family. That has seemingly always been the case since I agreed to my contract with the advisor.

Ever since age 5 1/2 near Christmas. Everything went somewhat downhill and I lost alot of control over my life and what I wanted it to be about. It seems that my life was dictated and my life was shaped and controlled since then.

Personal liberties were seemingly hidden away. The positive side effects from ET contact seem so shallow in comparison, if you ask me.

<sigh>

================================================

I guess my life is now a struggle to get back on track to where I want it to go and not where some "ET caretakers" dictate it should go.

I find my defiance towards my group to be an expression of my personal quest to redefine my life how *I* see fit. Our roads may intersect but they also seem to diverge as time goes on.

[Oh, very poetic, hehe!] 8-)

If people ever wonder what it is like to have ET's as surrogate parents and caretakers. Wonder no more. I wonder if the hybrids (The Children) will be as angst ridden as I am.


[Re-edited my post a bit]
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by montalk on 29 Jan, 2009, 9:55am


29 Jan, 2009, 4:24am, fore wrote:

Until recently, I didn't know what kind of music I liked or have a well defined sense of self.


Hey awesome that you've had the opportunity lately to do that.

I remember a couple months ago when you mentioned this about music. Wondered at the time what kind you would eventually gravitate to...

I also wondered whether the subject of music ever came up in your discussions with the lady, whom you once heard singing.

Any thoughts?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 29 Jan, 2009, 8:16pm


29 Jan, 2009, 4:24am, fore wrote:


Sort of, yes and no.

My God given talent is probably my communicative ability. That and liking analytical things. So I guess I was born for the occasion. [joke ;D]

I scored pretty well in most tests and school work. But I didn't do *any* homework. PERIOD!

So for all the A's I got I got plenty of zero's. It balanced itself out. Some of my teachers said I was a mediocre student and others wanted me to be in advanced classes.

I wasn't very applied in anything since it was all really boring stuff. I do admit though that I never understood algebra. It was a sore weakness of mine since I couldn't make heads of tails of the symbols used to signify shorthand computation.

Since the symbols used in math and my brain didn't meet at some understanding, I would fail that subject pretty badly. Not that I couldn't do computation and complex math. I just couldn't use the system that the old doods behind algebra made up.

So I would do all the answers in my head which they don't encourage in school. So while I could come up with the answer in my head, I couldn't do it on paper. I would only use the paper in front of me as a method of keeping track of numbers or fragments of mental processes in my head.

The "A" students wouldn't understand the brief notations as the rest of it was in my head and my teachers wouldn't accept the answers without it being written down on paper.

So I scribbled the method down on paper for their convinience but it wasn't in algebraic format.

----------------------------

One time in particular they asked me to solve a simple geometry problem and when I asked the advisor how to do the problem she would instruct me to break down the problem into simpler tasks.

But in an intelligent way. When applied I would just write the basic notes on the chalkboard and obviously none of the kids would understand how I arrived at the answer. When the teacher and the advanced students would ask to see my paper (because I got the right answer but showed no proof) they would ask me to explain it on the board.

So I did exactly that and broke down the problem into simpler steps using raw logic. Even though I was applying similar forms like that in algebra it was just more mental than algebraic in nature. It was alot simpler than the methods the kids were learning from my point of view. The teacher sent me to my desk and would ask someone else to look into the answer. (They'd take their time doing the whole formula and all)

The problem was that the advisor said and demanded that I could carry out most tasks mentally without paper. She was very mentally orientated and said something akin to real knowledge needs to be applied without anything else as a crutch.

Her way of saying that "use your brain" and not to rely on paper or a method you can't perform on task.

The advisor was pretty amazing in instructing me on how to break down seemingly complex problems into simpler problems.

================================================

Language was the same kind of guidance. They said they required me to know alot of words. Even though I did not know what the words mean they would pop in when I had a question and define the meaning of the words. Almost every answer was a question away.

It is like living with an ET encyclopedia at the other end via a telepathic link. Both the advisor and the males were full of knowledge, so asking them was rather easy and they would give complicated and engaging lessons about how concepts relate to one another.

In that, the males and the advisor were very nice about it. You could always depend on that from them.

Anyway, the advisor said I needed to have advanced language skills. There would be many days were I would wake up with knowledge of new words that I had no idea where they came from or what they meant. I certainly didn't learn them from anyone. I suppose they transferred the information and tons and tons and tons of other concepts that, even now, I am not fully aware of.

As soon as I start to use my higher mind my mind fills up with oodles of information about anything I want to know.


In language I did just as well too. Sometimes better than the advanced kids. But like always, I never did homework and all the teachers were frustrated over that.

Usually I was put as someone's partner to teach them. (science, language, math etc.) But the problem was, I didn't learn it from school or at least not the concepts.

So when it came time to explain it to someone else, I had no idea "how" to explain it formally as I didn't really pay much attention in class. I was known (im not kidding) as the yawner in class.

I would yawn no less than 50 to 100 times per class per period. It was from interacting too much with my group even while I was asleep. Either my abilities kept feeding me information 24x7x365 or the paranormal entities would bother me day in and day out.

My teachers were always mystified as to why I was so sleepy and lethargic all day. I Couldn't get any rest! I was either slumping in my chair while yawning or putting my head down during class while yawning periodically.

One girl, when I was young, would ask me to have some "etiquette" and not open my mouth so wide when I yawned. Very embarrassing stuff, LOL. But she had a solid point. My teachers would wonder why I would seemingly always be so tired. God if only they knew....

Most of the time, when I wasn't yawning, I was talking with the advisor or day dreaming. In either case, I would look like I was staring off into the distance. Or I would set my eyes at someone nearby in wonderment and the person would thinking I was staring at them.

I generally had those bad habits. So people thought I was weird until I got used to it. I also didn't talk with mindless or idiotic people so I gave many people the silent treatment. But once they knew me well enough they would tell other people I was a pretty nice guy I was just always sleepy or distracted.

This had somewhat to do with my extended use of my telepathy with the advisor. After talking to so many ET's you notice they don't really use their audio-able voice. (Though I have caught the advisor sometimes using it while I was waking up sometimes)

So I got used to telepathy alot and even though my language skills were pretty good (hell in another league compared to my peers), I didn't talk with people who were either unfriendly or idiotic.

Some would get pissed off when I would intentionally ignore them.

For everybody else I would talk at length. Mostly with the female half since they had alot of interesting things to say and most guys were locked into a really base mentality, as it seems culture dictated they had to be, to join in on the game of life.

================================================

So yeah, I learned alot and my group took alot of my time. Too much I would say. I can honestly say it had some negative impact in my development as a person. Until recently, I didn't know what kind of music I liked or have a well defined sense of self.

Everything was just a task. Their interference was both a boon and a bust. Having someone who is almost always present and instructing you in your development is abnormal to say the least. It doesn't allow much room for actual personal growth.

I always lived very far and separated from friends. So no friends ever visited and I was in a virtual bubble of isolation with my family. That has seemingly always been the case since I agreed to my contract with the advisor.

Ever since age 5 1/2 near Christmas. Everything went somewhat downhill and I lost alot of control over my life and what I wanted it to be about. It seems that my life was dictated and my life was shaped and controlled since then.

Personal liberties were seemingly hidden away. The positive side effects from ET contact seem so shallow in comparison, if you ask me.

<sigh>

================================================

I guess my life is now a struggle to get back on track to where I want it to go and not where some "ET caretakers" dictate it should go.

I find my defiance towards my group to be an expression of my personal quest to redefine my life how *I* see fit. Our roads may intersect but they also seem to diverge as time goes on.

[Oh, very poetic, hehe!] 8-)

If people ever wonder what it is like to have ET's as surrogate parents and caretakers. Wonder no more. I wonder if the hybrids (The Children) will be as angst ridden as I am.


[Re-edited my post a bit]


I never did homework either. I was just never motivated for school. Just didn't care. I still don't care in the way others view school. I just wanted to learn what I wanted to learn, nothing else.

My brother was the same way with math, did it all in his head and didn't do the formulas.

I slept in class all day.


Quote:

Even though I did not know what the words mean they would pop in when I had a question and define the meaning of the words.


This has been happening the last couple years. I would either just know what a word gist of the word. Or I would just know words.

When I was still denying my contact. I would basically be in conversation, but I didn't believe it was a real person. Just myself. So I started hearing words I've never heard before. That applied to the sentence. It gave me evidence.



Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 31 Jan, 2009, 1:14pm


31 Jan, 2009, 2:07am, starduster1 wrote:
Fore...do you think it took you longer to rebel because your advisor was so overbearing for so much of your life?
Yes and no. I started rebelling at around age 8+. It is really hard to tell when since my interactions forced me to become more intelligent at a very young age. Argument that would normally work on a child, would not for me, as I saw childish excuses as retarded from my point of view.

So I rebelled for different reasons towards various people at different ages.

For my parents, I would say it was early on at around age 8. Since I had trouble dealing with the excessive level of control coming from the advisor and lack of satisfaction in my own life that resulted from that control. It was easy to lash out at people you love or express your frustration openly.

For the males, it was at a comparatively early age. (age 5 or 6) Something about them (!) was "untrustworthy". As if my mind had been wiped of the memories, but not of the sentiment, I guess. ???

For the advisor, it was far more incremental and gradual. I would say it largely began at puberty. Her rigid precepts, while true, were in direct conflict with my hormones and just about anything "fun".

When valid and mature reasoning (with a hidden agenda im pretty sure) collide with a pubescent boy...there will be fireworks and many rebellious acts. (LOL)

The greatest rebellion towards my ET group, I would say, happened ultimately at around age 20 to 22. It was within a sharply deficient "life"; in either understanding anything about my situation or any personal satisfaction. It was a deeply unsatisfying. No amount of reasoning, even with a tight relationship or bond such as I had with the advisor, could ever overcome my ultimate misgivings.

Looking back, it was not a surprise that it happened the way it did. They simply could not provide what I needed. They were *unwilling or unable* to go further than they did, to satisfy my curiosity to continue to numb the situation further. Eventually something had to give.


31 Jan, 2009, 2:07am, starduster1 wrote:
Most kids begin to when they are teenagers. I'm wondering, did you rebel at all with your own parents? Did you often feel that your relationship with the advisor was like a Mother and Son?


The answer to whether I rebelled to the same extent as other individuals my age is probably no. Plenty of time had seemingly been spent on trying to foster an obedient attitude in me. [as stupid as that sounds]

So most adults found me to be rather mature for my age and they saw that I didn't play, frolic and do common stupidities like other children as I grew up. People assumed I was the serious type of person. Largely it was true, but I did like to have fun.

But my group was more worried about injury to myself during normal "horse play" and hanging from bars and doing stupid stuff in general. Than they were about me actually having fun.

For the males, I was a piece of property that shouldn't receive an injury that could affect me later on in their stupid and mysterious "master plan" ::). For the advisor, I was "hers" and belonged to her and she had different ideas as to what I was allowed to do. And since she was important to me, I did what I could to please her and did what I was told to do.

I spent most of my time, staring at other kids in the playground as they went nuts with a frog in my throat and a heavy heart wanting so badly to play and join in. I was always reigned in and told that they didn't mind if I wanted to play but not at the risk of hurting myself.

And some of the times the advisor was the one who delivered and enforced group policy. She was the most important to me so I had a choice to make. Either I choose what she wants to be done or I follow what comes naturally.

95% of the time I did what she asked/pushed for. I played less aggressive games and limited myself to safer activities. Not because I wanted to, but because they deemed it was necessary and I wanted to please.

Everyone else who saw me growing up was kind of perplexed as to why I had such good behavior and would comment it to my real parents. Which my parents just took the credit for my behavior. Some even thought I was being abused or something? ::) (I read their mind)

It was fairly abnormal to have someone so obedient and who follows instructions. Especially at a young age. My teachers took advantage of it and marveled over it and made an (unwanted) example of me to other children. Asking the whole class to be more like me.

The other children just scoffed and said rude things openly about me and whatever was on their rather crude minds.

So while it was all business, I would perform like my group asked of me. They dictated how they said I needed to be for them. But in my personal life, away from the public eye, I usually vented my ever widening frustration. Be it at my parents or my brothers and sisters.

They would often ask me why I was so courteous or well behaved in public but so terrible with them at home. The reason was because I was practically being groomed for "proper behaviors" for the public. Including what I needed to understand about how people work on the inside (mentally) and how they react to various kinds of situations.

Eveything was a giant lesson and they rarely missed an oppertunity to show me something or instruct me in the intricacies of something or other.

When it wasn't business as usual, I would just vent my frustration and stress from going against what my age said I should be interested in.

=================================================

All of this was supposed to be a strict secret and eventually the advisor began to chastise me over how I treated people in my own family.

She started giving me lessons, lectures and guidance on how to deal with stress and anger or frustration. She showed me how to deal with people in my family properly by helping me to understand what was going on inside me and why I reacted the way I did. She would also be a proverbial caretaker hovering over my shoulder and criticizing me...erm I mean "nit picking" at my attitudes.

Often she would be like my better half. Telling me not to do things to others that I would later regret. She pestered me often to do good things and because I actually have a conscience (once it was massaged and prodded with guilt) I would take her advice.

It wasn't always bad. But the way it was pushed and shoved into my lap was what always bothered me. As well as the consequences of being different.


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She wasn't satisfied until I came up to her "standards".

In that sense. she was more involved than a mother ever could be. But she was never seen by me as a mother at all. She was too anal about everything to qualify, LOL.


31 Jan, 2009, 2:07am, starduster1 wrote:
Like a little girl first falls in love with her Dad..a young boy also falls in love with his Mother. These usually then become who they model how they will choose a partner in life.


I never saw her as a mother but more as a personal caretaker/advisor (hell she even called herself that to boot). She was/is/will be for the rest of my life someone who whipped a turd like me into a useful person.

[Not that I think I am a turd, LOL. But considering how much help I have gotten...You end up assuming you must be *critically defective* to receive that much hands-on-help. ::) It is not exactly "confidence" building and my life reflects it.

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Anyway, she was/is very important to me. I started to measure everyone else around me by erroneously measuring them against her. A bad habit that she mostly corrected me on.

You can't measure someone like her with another regular individual as it is an unfair comparison as she put it.

Her presence did affect me in the way that you mention starduster. Eventually when I was told (probably rightly so) at puberty not to mess around with girls my age because I would get them pregnant. I eventually found out much later on much to my dismay , that I kept unconsciously looking for someone who was imbued with her likeness.

Impossible.

I started to realize that every woman I liked, I was unconsciously measuring them up to her. Women who most guys would say is pretty fine seemed "lacking" in so many ways when compared.

After so many years of being exposed to the grey males, the supervisors, unknown aliens and last but not least, the advisor. I was finding out that I was seeking attributes in another human being, that could not be found in a normal partner.

It was nothing short of disturbing. [This was after the advisor left]

I was so used to my ET group environment and the level of interactions that I started "pining" for a proverbial "little bit of heaven" on this earth. I found that people were neither that intelligent or that endowed with answers or anything that I did like from the advisor, the central figure I looked up to.

I started to see people as faulty in comparison. Not smart enough or not educated enough or not as reciprocal like a partner with telepathy. I found out I liked too many things which I would never logically find in a earth born woman.

It's an example of seeing green grass on your side of the fence and then looking over your fence onto your neighbors grass and seeing that theirs is nicer. Then stepping over the barrier and someday coming back and looking at perfectly healthy grass on your own side, which you were once happy with, but which now doesn't compare to what your used to.

It fills you with a great sadness that you have to live within your peers. That you have to choose someone who isn't quite what your hoping for or what your used to. You wonder deeply in yourself if you can't find someway of coping and liking things just like they were before you saw "more".

It makes you wonder erroneously, for example, if a normal woman will have *enough* of everything to satisfy you or if you will be left pretending everything is fine for a few years until you realize it just isn't the same. Will a normal relationship have an adequate amount of depth if the other person is not telepathic or if they aren't as intelligent as your used to when interacting with someone?

These foreboding fears are far more amplified when you see a cute woman and you scan her insides to see how she is composed. Only to find so many unsatisfactory results.

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I never want to put anyone through that. Where you feel unsatisfied. Everyone tells you they have an awesome experience with women and wives but you say inside yourself:

"But do you know what it is I am used to? You've lived a completely normal life; for you everything is normal and seamless. You have never seen or experienced "more". Therefore whatever you have within our own kind seems to be "more than fine". While I instinctively look for what can't be found on the other hand."

In life, you will never absolutely know someone. This is a baseline of truth on this earth and it's people. You will only see the surface and what is shown. The unseen is hidden and never completley revealed. The depth seems so shallow to me though. I always seek something much deeper and the thoughts that are so much more.....expansive.

Most people will never know that kind of struggle I deal with, since most experiencers seem to be rather brief events. But imagine being exposed to it day in and out for years and years. Experiencing it over and over again (and still keeping your sanity LOL).

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Anyway,

To find someone important for a relationship, you need to have that "allure". You need to feel satisfied and tempted. But when you are able to scan someone inside and out in close proximity and know their likeness...how do you deal with that lacking nature?

They might be physically attractive but almost everything else is a total turn off. Some young pretty women feel like *children* on the inside of their being. Its disgusting. For any other man, the woman would be fine because they don't know anything more than the outside on initial contact. Most young and middle aged adults tend to have pretty base motives. So I doubt they care in either case.

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That is a stigma of sorts from seeing too much. Just with a glance you can peer into someone deeply and gather what they are like on the inside beyond all the external appearances. If this were an enlightened world [And I don't mean a "new agey" mindset] then I wouldn't be so bothered by it.

But since this isn't and people are the way they are. It is kind of disturbing to be a witness to the contents of people whom you come within a few feet of. I used to be able to do it at great distances pretty easily. Lucky for me I can't do that anymore. And only very recently have I been able to lose that key ability to analyze people on the inside in close proximity. But if I try I still can.

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Worse yet, is keeping the secret of your past.

I know full well from repeated tests, that because of the way my fields react with other ordinary people. I already know I make anyone whom I do have too close a contact with a psychic in short order. I have noticed that my remnant psychic fields will "activate" someone. They will no doubt also begin to experience a psychic experience unwittingly. How do you live with the dishonesty of keeping it a secret as they might eventually experience something uncommon. Or knowing of their thoughts without them realizing it or reciprocating it?

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So I came to a conclusion.

One of several reaffirmations.

I need to experience life like a regular individual. I need to shut off my abilities completely and remain completely blind to the unseen. I need to find a way to forget the past and everything that happened there and simply live life and hopefully....hopefully it will fit like well sized sock.

Hopefully my memories of my experiences grow dim and I never meet another alien ever again. Hopefully I can catch up to the rest of the world in their reality and get used to it.

Hopefully I don't need to worry about any deeper relationships or "fringe" telepathy and I can work some way of changing myself back into "the mold" of an ordinary person so I can continue to enjoy the same life as everyone else. Hopefully I can undo the damage and see things like they are meant to be seen and reconstitute my life and put it on track again and not worry about the future that was shared with me.

Rather than the new age idea of personal "ascension", I guess I am interested (in what my group would say is unwise) "descention". A sort of crawling back towards the campfire and burying your head in the sand with everyone else and enjoying all that "fun stuff".

Hopefully I can make it in time before the predicted "reset" of mankind. Hopefully I can just live like an ordinary person and like ordinary things and feel "good and fine".

That's the "desperate mantra" I always use to remind myself of why my abilities are turned off and I am getting used to seeing and perceiving nothing different than the rest of people alive today.

I keep hoping that I am making "the right decision" and that I will be happy with it. Sometimes I am not all too convinced and my group seems to, for now, allow me my space to get reacquainted.

But knowing them and the last set of instructions the advisor gave me herself before she left....I suspect that they are just hoping I can better perfect my understanding of regular people. Who knows what is going on behind the scenes that I have not the slightest clue about?

All I do know is I keep hoping I will have time to enjoy the rest of my life and not find myself in the future world that was depicted by the advisor. I feel like her prediction is creeping along like an ominous shadow. I am left wondering if I am not just endeavoring into something I have no time to enjoy.

<sigh>


31 Jan, 2009, 2:07am, starduster1 wrote:
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As far as do ETs walk among us. I'm thinking it may be they do. If ETs can produce human like bodies..they can also make it so the children, wouldn't even know they were of ET bloodline. I'm thinking they would have them raised in families, born to anyone, any time. Monitored throughout life tracking them, looking out for them. I think many may be of ET parentage. I'm sure they would have everything set in motion that needed to be and completely normal before they sent off an embryo. When it comes down to it..who are any of us really? We can say we were born on earth..we have a mother that gives birth and usually our blood lines up with the father... and as long as those things are in working order..who could tell?
spell check :P


Funny, I hadn't read the end of your post. It's an interesting question in light of my own comments up above.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by starduster1 on 2 Feb, 2009, 4:17pm


31 Jan, 2009, 1:14pm, fore wrote:
[quote author=starduster1 board=research thread=4706 post=158141 time=1233360469]
"But do you know what it is I am used to? You've lived a completely normal life; for you everything is normal and seamless. You have never seen or experienced "more". Therefore whatever you have within our own kind seems to be "more than fine". While I instinctively look for what can't be found on the other hand."

In life, you will never absolutely know someone. This is a baseline of truth on this earth and it's people. You will only see the surface and what is shown. The unseen is hidden and never completely revealed. The depth seems so shallow to me though. I always seek something much deeper and the thoughts that are so much more.....expansive.

Most people will never know that kind of struggle I deal with, since most experiencers seem to be rather brief events. But imagine being exposed to it day in and out for years and years. Experiencing it over and over again (and still keeping your sanity LOL).


I feel most people struggle with identity..so in that you are normal. You had a crash course in off world education and right now the lull, is getting used to a "normal", rather then a pushed focus.

I see you are becoming more relaxed in your skin now and I feel that all you have learned and experienced is on the back burner so you can be and get used to people in general.

Usually people learn as they grow..where as you were traded out of a childhood, and pressed into a higher more grownup thinking pattern. ( I can relate to that)
Hard to go back but not impossible.

For you, it's time to laugh as much as you can and be as human as you can. It's never too late to experience some things, though I know your not a little kid anymore, you do have a good sense of humor and really that is a big plus. Sometimes it's harder when you know so much to let go of those things and be like a little kid.

Speaking of "normal"..what is normal? Nothing in this life is perfect but my view is that "the imperfection Is the perfection".

Some people are born with a silver spoon, others are not. In some ways you have been given a gift, though at times I'm sure it didn't feel like that.

The most important thing to note about people is that they make mistakes. Mistakes help us learn.

If a person was born rich and doesn't understand the poor..they have a handicap if suddenly they find themselves in the same shoes. It's good to decide the lessons of..How it is to be rich in spirit is more important then what money can buy. If on the other hand one is poor, even becoming rich can be a handicap, even if they think they wished this all their lives.
So even with intelligence comes a place where some are more finely educated then others. If those who are more educated become pompous a**es, then who will want to learn from them?

A study of regular people not privy to a higher education does not make them less. But whether they can meet of the mind and good spirit, then one educated in finer knowing can teach the lesser and the lesser can also teach the finer..meeting in the middle to experience many sides of life. We all have a handi cap and we all have gifts.

For myself..I know I chose to be a regular person..growing up with hard circumstances..but this has also rounded me out..maybe more then some. Instead of choosing a lot of material in life..I chose to allow my own spirit to come and be stronger then my lifes dramas. I use the word choose, because I really feel we do choose before we come into this life what experiences we may want to educate ourselves on.

This is why I love the book,"Journey of Souls" by Michael Newton.

Instead of being afraid of those that know something different then me, I choose to embrace those things that I see as gifts in people. When we work with each other, with our gifts..we are all more enriched.

As a rich man gives shelter..provides a house to let's say someone of meager means..that poor person, being "rich" in Spirit, creates of that house, a "home".

Not sure what band wagon I just went on the long way around lol ;D ,but my point is...everyone is different and everyone is also the same. Find your child self within you and play. Go out and experience from everyday people. Don't worry so much about what you know, it will always be there in the back of your mind. Find out what you haven't known. Play music loud and enjoy looking at simple pleasures of life, like eating a candy apple and letting it get all over your face!! Get a water melon and put your whole face in it then see how far you can spit the pits!!lol

Don't press yourself like you have been pressed and try not to worry that others should live up to the advisors standards. We are only who we are Fore..it takes all kinds in this world as you know.
Have fun and let people be people..especially..yourself. Just be.

I feel what you know, when coupled with what you will now experience..will have future benifits..so keep on truckin.

And also Fore...thanks for a very nice response.. I appreciate you taking the time to talk with me. :)

Peace to ya

Starduster*


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wingsofcrystal on 2 Feb, 2009, 9:38pm

Hi Fore,
As Starduster said, put some music on and just let er' rip! My neighbors think I'm insane. That crazy woman that dances down the street rather than jogging. I hate exercise so I dance as much as I can. What are they going to do? Call the police and tell them I'm acting the fool again? And I have a great time. You deserve a little pure joy. I call my walk/dances "soul soaring". Find something like that for your soul. Okay, so it doesn't have to be that looney. Or public. You know what I mean.
Crystal
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 2 Feb, 2009, 11:40pm

Fore thanks for this thread.

I don't think I need to read experiences to help my own anymore.

~I think I'm gonna take a break from OMF for a while. Cya guys later.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 3 Feb, 2009, 1:27am

GL 369, hope to see you back here soon

@Fore

http://www.hopedance.org/cms/content/view/338/101/

Perhaps the reason you were taught these rules is not as bad it seems ;)

I wonder what your advisor would tell me if I told her point blank you were not ready to lead?

---- Quite the philosophical discussion that would be. I am sure she would enjoy it as much as I would ;D

An understanding of compassion comes from loss without which you will not be ready. Sound familiar?

Anyway, why should I care it is has no value anyway, words in the wind.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by philliman on 3 Feb, 2009, 3:34pm

All the best, 369!

2 Feb, 2009, 9:38pm, wingsofcrystal wrote:
Hi Fore,
As Starduster said, put some music on and just let er' rip! My neighbors think I'm insane. That crazy woman that dances down the street rather than jogging. I hate exercise so I dance as much as I can. What are they going to do? Call the police and tell them I'm acting the fool again? And I have a great time. You deserve a little pure joy. I call my walk/dances "soul soaring". Find something like that for your soul. Okay, so it doesn't have to be that looney. Or public. You know what I mean.
Crystal

:)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by will224 on 5 Feb, 2009, 1:05am

...hello anonymous...I followed the link you left at galactic roundtable...

...long thread !...

...up to page three...

...is Fore present ?...

...it *feels* like you might have some puzzle pieces for me !...

...glad to have found this site...

>love and Light...

...Will...
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by will224 on 5 Feb, 2009, 1:16am

...I decided to start at the back at work backward...

...on page 106 you mention Marshal Vian Summers...

...I have and read his volumes of :
Wisdom of the greater Community
Spirituality of the Greater Community

...went through his ...
Steps to Knowlege
...a 365 meditations ...twice...

...I don't know what Fore has to say but I'll look deeper...
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by razpad43 on 11 Feb, 2009, 7:09pm

Wow Fore, I just recently caught up with the last few weeks of posts. I am glad to see you opening up more about the other side of the story - your relationships with people growing up as opposed to just the Advisor/Guardian/males. Gives me a lot to think about, like a kid or two I knew when I was growing up whom I recall coming across the same way you must have as a child. Back to that old question - how many of "you" are there?

I have other questions and comments for you too - maybe better saved for a real-time conversation.

I believe this new tack will be beneficial to you in the long run! Take care.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wingsofcrystal on 12 Feb, 2009, 2:58am


11 Feb, 2009, 7:09pm, razpad43 wrote:
Wow Fore, I just recently caught up with the last few weeks of posts. I am glad to see you opening up more about the other side of the story - your relationships with people growing up as opposed to just the Advisor/Guardian/males. Gives me a lot to think about, like a kid or two I knew when I was growing up whom I recall coming across the same way you must have as a child. Back to that old question - how many of "you" are there?

I have other questions and comments for you too - maybe better saved for a real-time conversation.

I believe this new tack will be beneficial to you in the long run! Take care.


It is generous of you Fore. Thank you. I've done a lot of reading and my husband and I have had sightings but that is all. You help me understand a little more about what you experience and the phenomenon itself. Can't be easy to be that forthcoming about these things.
Crystal
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 14 Feb, 2009, 4:16am

I wonder what limits psychic abilities have, in terms of what is possible. It occurred to me that maybe different races may have inherantly different capabilities or levels of capabilities than others; or that psychic abilities are constant and it's the knowledgability that a race has that is variable. I hope whomever reads this understands what I mean, because I am finding this difficult to articulate.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 14 Feb, 2009, 4:58am


14 Feb, 2009, 4:16am, q wrote:
I wonder what limits psychic abilities have, in terms of what is possible. It occurred to me that maybe different races may have inherantly different capabilities or levels of capabilities than others; or that psychic abilities are constant and it's the knowledgability that a race has that is variable. I hope whomever reads this understands what I mean, because I am finding this difficult to articulate.


From my observations and interactions, you seem to be spot on. Except it probably is a case of not so much knowledge but of cultivated and enhancements of natural capability.

Some ET's I knew seemed to be roughly in the same range of limitations while others seemed to have different kinds of limits.

It may be (IMO and observation) that these ET types fall within a certain threshold of capability. Sort of like an olympic runner who can jump 30ft in a bound would be considered the maximum humanly possible.

Some ET's in any given species seem to have a median level of capability while others have a different median. Some are good and some bad at their generic psychic skills. My best guess is they genetically engineer and axentuate or extend those abilities.

It may be why the advisor claimed her people don't really have babies like we do. Some rare few might choose to "wing it" to see what comes out the other end. But they might generally opt not to.

Just writing that last paragraph reminds me of several conversations she and I had about having babies. She commented more than once that we (humanity) were very "free" in our procreation. In the sense that we could choose almost at random whomever we wanted to.

We didn't really plan anything and we just did it and sometimes have several unwanted children she said at the time.

When she put it that way I remember reflecting on it and how strange it was to see it from her point of view. It makes one think alot on it.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 14 Feb, 2009, 5:10am

The worst part of fore's post is when you scroll down and see Stephen colbert, the end.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 14 Feb, 2009, 9:57am

I guess I will find a different video to replace it with. I just haven't had much time to find one that is funny enough.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 15 Feb, 2009, 4:58am


14 Feb, 2009, 9:57am, fore wrote:
I guess I will find a different video to replace it with. I just haven't had much time to find one that is funny enough.

lol I ment when you're post is over it's the worst part because you're post are awesome.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by starduster1 on 16 Feb, 2009, 5:49am


Happy Birthday Fore..
.........................Happy Birthday to you

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by philliman on 16 Feb, 2009, 12:14pm

HAPPY GALACTIC BIRTHDAY, fore! ;D
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by stal on 16 Feb, 2009, 2:36pm

happy birthday mate :) febs a good month.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 16 Feb, 2009, 6:17pm

Happy B-Day Fore ;D
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 17 Feb, 2009, 3:13am

hlbd, internet was off yesterday.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Feb, 2009, 4:56am

Thank you all for the happy birthday wishes ;)!
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wingsofcrystal on 17 Feb, 2009, 5:37am


17 Feb, 2009, 4:56am, fore wrote:
Thank you all for the happy birthday wishes ;)!


Happy Birthday Fore!!!!! May you have a fantastic year ahead!
Crystal
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by macros72 on 20 Feb, 2009, 9:31pm

Hello there and can i say thanks to you for this info...its taken 2 full hours of my life away and that isnt a bad thing.

Thanks my friend


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by macros72 on 21 Feb, 2009, 3:02pm

Fore, reading of your encounters and descriptions of the ets and groups show similarities to other testimonys. I dont know if anyone as read the book entitled: In League with a UFO. This book describes the finding of a near intact UFO minus any bodies. A group of amercian scientists spend years experimenting and tinkering with the interior of the craft. Anything taken off the craft would vanish in 72hours and be found back inside the craft. They found items that generated a fog/smog that made all matter become transparent. Small shaped crystals that when place on the body moved of there own account and homed in on a problem and healed it. They found a room with a chair and through experiment found that it created a new body and transplanted the soul into the new one. This ufo was identified as a medical ship and its abilities where miracle like in terms of what we can do today. For years the scientists where baffled as to why the ets never came or made contact and then it happened. One scientist was abducted and taken to observe the ets. The ets explained to him that they where not here to scare, conquer mankind or use us. He asked them why they had left the craft and was told, it was damaged by the negative group with hope that you would find it and see the horror of alien civilisations. The good group decided to leave it there for us to find. The ets explained that they worked for or under a higher authority that dictated what was allowed. These ets could see our life blueprint including the souls progress so far. On some rare occasions these ets would take your soul and place it in a new body, new identity but when this was carried out they felt nervous as this was clearly a violation of the law. The ets explained that the other group - negatives - did things like this without worry which was foolish.

At times the scientist wondered if these ets where the bad ones and whilst thinking this he would be told - well if we where, you wouldnt return home, you wouldnt be having this contact. The higher authority could be the third group whom Fore has described. Which are the govenors, the watchers the representation of the god/creator?

In other reads i have found that on some occasions when someone is taken they notice a seperate being - almost alien to the aliens and its presence causes godlike fear in the abductors. It eminates a aura of power and authority with the right to stop any et project, even kill the ets if they disobey the universal laws. Its general appearence is of a small humanoid with eyes similar to ours, nose, well developed lips and similar proportions in its arms and legs.

It is my belief that the third group are the pivot in the scales between good and evil. Anyone else agree with this?


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 21 Feb, 2009, 6:17pm

I think the concept of good and evil itself must be challenged/questioned by us in our own minds, ESPECIALLY when confronted with aliens. That is, if we are to become like them. Which is the only logical step left in our evolution. If we truly understand ourselves then we can choose which ones we want to be.

To answer more directly your thought, I don't believe there is this force beyond the phenomena that uses other things as surrogates to further an agenda, who's intent confounds our hearts and minds. Its the same problem I have with Jesus. Just talk to me like I am worthy, don't send me an assistant even if his credentials include "magic" and miracles.

I think the system you describe is a godless one. I don't think there is a hierarchy of morality incarnate. That's catholic in orientation.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by bostova on 22 Feb, 2009, 1:02am


21 Feb, 2009, 3:02pm, macros72 wrote:

In other reads i have found that on some occasions when someone is taken they notice a seperate being - almost alien to the aliens and its presence causes godlike fear in the abductors. It eminates a aura of power and authority with the right to stop any et project, even kill the ets if they disobey the universal laws. Its general appearence is of a small humanoid with eyes similar to ours, nose, well developed lips and similar proportions in its arms and legs.



Is there a description of this other group in the book?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by macros72 on 22 Feb, 2009, 3:26am

In the book - no. The ets quickly move on from referring to this authority. This is the only time they show weakness in their power and act almost like us...

Ive spent years researching this third group and have reached one simple conclusion: they represent the origin, the place from which all souls journey. They monitor all activities and allow free will to do as you wish...but! they lay down the law when you try to intefere too much...

The other groups are drawn to one another by their opposing actions. When things get messy, this governing group steps in.

These other groups are learner civiliisations in my belief and often the goodies have to home in on the baddie types work. Sadly, the good ones still make mistakes and add to the choas of the bad kind.

Earth is a unique place for souls even if many et class the planet as a muddy farm. The human soul contains so much more potential than that of the et. By the way i must stress that not all et have soul. Some are highly evolved organic collective consiousness, some are half organic/half machine. This kind envys us and sends its tools to effect our existence so they can learn more.

If anyone here is interested i shall place parts of the book here for others to draw their own conclusions.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by bostova on 22 Feb, 2009, 3:53am

I downloaded a pdf of this book and read it.

I noticed the book never referenced the physical attributes of the ET group associated with the Committee. However, the book does specify Human looking ET. Do you know who these ET might be?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by macros72 on 22 Feb, 2009, 4:01am

There is no religion in my box of tools Dylan. To utilise this when dealing with et is to be sat on your hands. To link it to any of our religions is a mistake for that is the human beliefs which cause so much war and suffering.

The et comes here and isnt struck by lightening by our religious gods...wonder what that tells us?

The question of good and evil is the negative and positive - which are real entities in our lifes. The key is to balance them so harmony resides.

The et groups can no longer hide their workings here and this causes the obvious...

The third oarty know all the answers but keep hidden...they wish us to grow on our own terms.

This is my belief from my own past experiences.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by macros72 on 22 Feb, 2009, 4:09am

Bostova

A worker race who have to rest like us but never dream(no soul)

They are watchers who keep the peace.(not just on earth)

Sadly, they look similar to the greyling


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by unclejohn on 8 Mar, 2009, 8:28pm

@ fore

Hi fore,

I only see you hanging out on the UN thread. You just mentioned to stay on topic there, so I hailing you on your threads.

I have some things I want to discuss with you.

Thanks Uncle John


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 9 Mar, 2009, 4:38am

Dove has recently asked me to explain how I broke the paralysis effect that one of the Grey's had on me. She asked me to explain the technique.

But before I do, I need to understand, or get a feel for how people generally sense their energy patterns.

Can you guys percieve the differences between one pattern and another? If so in what way does it manifest or are the differences perceived for you guys/gals personally?

(@ Anyone/Everyone)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 9 Mar, 2009, 4:46am

What happens to me is I will feel a force against my chest (upperbody, back, but it's always around the torso) not always the same angle (werid I say angle...). Then either I or it will bring itself to my head and then I will see an image of a person. When it goes down to my stomach I feel a personality.

With people over the internet it seems harder to get the image, but with aliens it's either really hard to focus on them and get to the point where it will become a force against my chest, but when it does the image has always appeared.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 9 Mar, 2009, 5:16am

Unfortunately, I'm completely unaware of my own energy patterns.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 9 Mar, 2009, 5:55am

@ 369

What (in your perceptions) is the distinction between a normal person and an alien?

I am not talking about describing it to me, I am asking you to see if you can tell the difference at all.

You seem to pick up a manifestation of force. But I didn't see you describe any of it's characteristics beyond physical sensations.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 9 Mar, 2009, 5:57am


9 Mar, 2009, 5:16am, q wrote:
Unfortunately, I'm completely unaware of my own energy patterns.


That is...a pretty big problem. Lets see what we can do to alleviate that kind of issue.

Have you ever had any kind of psychic experiences? I don't know much about you.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 9 Mar, 2009, 6:37am


9 Mar, 2009, 5:55am, fore wrote:
@ 369

What (in your perceptions) is the distinction between a normal person and an alien?

I am not talking about describing it to me, I am asking you to see if you can tell the difference at all.

You seem to pick up a manifestation of force. But I didn't see you describe any of it's characteristics beyond physical sensations.


The only real difference is the intensity but some people have a great intensity like aliens.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am


9 Mar, 2009, 4:38am, fore wrote:
Dove has recently asked me to explain how I broke the paralysis effect that one of the Grey's had on me. She asked me to explain the technique.

But before I do, I need to understand, or get a feel for how people generally sense their energy patterns.

Can you guys percieve the differences between one pattern and another? If so in what way does it manifest or are the differences perceived for you guys/gals personally?

(@ Anyone/Everyone)



Quote:
What (in your perceptions) is the distinction between a normal person and an alien?

I am not talking about describing it to me, I am asking you to see if you can tell the difference at all.

You seem to pick up a manifestation of force. But I didn't see you describe any of it's characteristics beyond physical sensations.



i'm still learning how to differentiate different energies. humans don't make me feel the same way as aliens or demons. i go by physical and psychic impressions that i receive. human emanations have a certain vibe to them, though if they are threatening to me then i will feel almost the same sensations as if an ET were near me. imo, an attack is an attack, and it makes me feel the same way no matter what the source. i'm sorting it out as i learn how to perceive energy signatures better, but for the most part i can tell when a human is visiting me rather than ET.

like i said before, i have several different sensations in my body, according to who is around and what part of me they are attacking. if i feel a rock in my gut, then i know it's time to block or shield since they are near. sometimes that is bypassed, and i just feel attacked, like when my heart or the center of my back is hurting. i think that might be remote attacks, therefore i don't necessarily feel their presence here, hence the lack of the yucky feeling in my gut (solar plexus) before the attack. the one i feel at the moment is a little different. it's a pulling at my belly button and lower. i'm still trying to figure out what each sensation means. ::)

~~~

now if you're referring to being able to sense my own signature, i've heard that this is important but i don't know exactly what it means. and from what q is saying, he doesn't either. perhaps you could explain how this works. i thought i knew what my own sig feels like, but maybe i don't. i can tell when i'm not the only one in the room. does that count? :P


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by quarian on 9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am

It's tough, Fore, to explain what patterns are like, but I get your drift.
I'm a "feeler". So, I get a lot of impressions -- or "flavors"-- of people, if you will. It's like explaining to someone what vanilla tastes like. If I do sense that someone is negative, I simultaneously have an idea of where they are coming from...why they are the way they are. This is something that has strengthened over the years with my own life-experience.

@369: I really like your description of sensing an "angle". That makes sense to me.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 9 Mar, 2009, 6:48am


9 Mar, 2009, 6:37am, 369 wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 5:55am, fore wrote:
@ 369

What (in your perceptions) is the distinction between a normal person and an alien?

I am not talking about describing it to me, I am asking you to see if you can tell the difference at all.

You seem to pick up a manifestation of force. But I didn't see you describe any of it's characteristics beyond physical sensations.


The only real difference is the intensity but some people have a great intensity like aliens.


Okay, so you can feel the differences in intensity.

Can you feel any differences like contents of a pattern.

Or distinctions between the patterns of one kind of thing and another??
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 9 Mar, 2009, 7:01am


9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, quarian wrote:
It's tough, Fore, to explain what patterns are like, but I get your drift.
I'm a "feeler". So, I get a lot of impressions -- or "flavors"-- of people, if you will. It's like explaining to someone what vanilla tastes like. If I do sense that someone is negative, I simultaneously have an idea of where they are coming from...why they are the way they are. This is something that has strengthened over the years with my own life-experience.

@369: I really like your description of sensing an "angle". That makes sense to me.

So far, Quarian, you seem to be the person in the lead.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 9 Mar, 2009, 7:14am


9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, dove wrote:


now if you're referring to being able to sense my own signature, i've heard that this is important but i don't know exactly what it means. and from what q is saying, he doesn't either. perhaps you could explain how this works. i thought i knew what my own sig feels like, but maybe i don't. i can tell when i'm not the only one in the room. does that count? :P



Does the whole of your body feel like it has the same consistency?

Are your limbs any different in their consistency of sensations compared to another part of your body?

Try sitting and being calm for a moment. Bring your psychic abilities to a high state and pay attention to the sensations that run throughout your body.

Your not looking for intensity as in pressure. Your looking for how a part of your "energy patterns" (influence in my lingo) reports it feels. See if you can sense any differences throughout your body.

There should be variations in your patterns, considering your have consistently described "ruptures" sensations in your body's field, where you are almost surely venting influence irregularly and uncontrollably.

@ 369

I understand what you mean by "angles". Your describing the flow of influence in a dense form as it transitions from one area to the next.

I also saw that dove described the same but in a different way. Hers are related to either an overflow condition or to her field probably trying to expel some kind of contaminant from her influence field.

Considering dove describes a frequent siphoning of her influence, I am not all too surprised. She must be putting out some higher than usual level of influence into her environment.

There are several solutions that are possible.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 9 Mar, 2009, 7:29am


9 Mar, 2009, 6:48am, fore wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 6:37am, 369 wrote:


The only real difference is the intensity but some people have a great intensity like aliens.


Okay, so you can feel the differences in intensity.

Can you feel any differences like contents of a pattern.

Or distinctions between the patterns of one kind of thing and another??

ya now that I broke down the process, when I keep it at the 'impact' stage I can feel a difference, but can't put my finger on it.

Sometimes people feel very similar though.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 9 Mar, 2009, 7:55am

What is this "impact stage"?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by quarian on 9 Mar, 2009, 8:00am


9 Mar, 2009, 7:14am, fore wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, dove wrote:





Does the whole of your body feel like it has the same consistency?

Are your limbs any different in their consistency of sensations compared to another part of your body?




Hmm. I'm reminded of the lyric "My hands felt just like two balloons." from Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb". That odd sensation of only having feeling from your shoulders up...? Tingly sort of sensation. Often accompanied by an odd feeling of tilting sideways. Just me? Oh, well.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 9 Mar, 2009, 8:03am


9 Mar, 2009, 8:00am, quarian wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 7:14am, fore wrote:


Does the whole of your body feel like it has the same consistency?

Are your limbs any different in their consistency of sensations compared to another part of your body?




Hmm. I'm reminded of the lyric "My hands felt just like two balloons." from Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb". That odd sensation of only having feeling from your shoulders up...? Tingly sort of sensation. Often accompanied by an odd feeling of tilting sideways. Just me? Oh, well.
You mean your arms are the only thing having sensations or do you mean that your arms go numb?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by quarian on 9 Mar, 2009, 8:11am


9 Mar, 2009, 8:03am, fore wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 8:00am, quarian wrote:


Hmm. I'm reminded of the lyric "My hands felt just like two balloons." from Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb". That odd sensation of only having feeling from your shoulders up...? Tingly sort of sensation. Often accompanied by an odd feeling of tilting sideways. Just me? Oh, well.
You mean your arms are the only thing having sensations or do you mean that your arms go numb?


Tingling sensation from about the area of the heart chakra and above. Often with "large" or "expanding" sensation in hands and head.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 9 Mar, 2009, 8:20am

Ok Quarian, seems you have got the hang of the basics.

How intensely can you generate that emanating force without strain?

Do you know how to propagate the pattern to other
!)Objects?
!)Other human beings?
!)Throughout your body?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 9 Mar, 2009, 9:01am


9 Mar, 2009, 7:55am, fore wrote:
What is this "impact stage"?

the part when I feel the force impact my body, which is either instantaneously after or delayed or it could be so light that I do not notice.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 9 Mar, 2009, 9:03am


9 Mar, 2009, 9:01am, 369 wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 7:55am, fore wrote:
What is this "impact stage"?

the part when I feel the force impact my body, which is either instantaneously after or delayed or it could be so light that I do not notice.
I am not aware of any such phenomena. Could you explain it's purpose? Why would it occur?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 9 Mar, 2009, 1:01pm


9 Mar, 2009, 7:14am, fore wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, dove wrote:


now if you're referring to being able to sense my own signature, i've heard that this is important but i don't know exactly what it means. and from what q is saying, he doesn't either. perhaps you could explain how this works. i thought i knew what my own sig feels like, but maybe i don't. i can tell when i'm not the only one in the room. does that count? :P



Does the whole of your body feel like it has the same consistency?

Are your limbs any different in their consistency of sensations compared to another part of your body?

Try sitting and being calm for a moment. Bring your psychic abilities to a high state and pay attention to the sensations that run throughout your body.

Your not looking for intensity as in pressure. Your looking for how a part of your "energy patterns" (influence in my lingo) reports it feels. See if you can sense any differences throughout your body.

There should be variations in your patterns, considering your have consistently described "ruptures" sensations in your body's field, where you are almost surely venting influence irregularly and uncontrollably.


ugh!! it's taken me forever to write this! besides being screwed with the whole time, i've also lost connection once and gotten logged out once, both times after i had written a long post, which means i had to rewrite a good portion of the message twice. ::) grrrr...

anyhoo...

i've never sat and tried to feel the different energy patterns throughout my body. i don't know that i can do it now, though, since i've been feeling a good amount of pain tonight, besides receiving an unfair share of interference, which probably has something to do with all the pain i've felt.

i don't know if i understand what you mean by patterns, though. can you explain more? (unless you've done so in the past 2 hours. :)) i feel sensations, but i've never looked for "patterns" per se. i do feel a difference in the various areas of my body, but i don't perceive a pattern of any sort, unless you mean just the normal sensations. these can vary from moment to moment in my body, because i feel my muscles twitch a lot in response to the implants and nervous (or electrical) system damage i've sustained.

i'm not sure if the sensations i feel are ruptures or overflow of influence, though that could be part of it. i have a heightened sense of awareness. i am another one of those "touchy feely" persons. i sense things with my body empathically, plus i can just tell when i am being messed with. the hook thing in my body also causes a lot of pain in various areas.

i've been told that the sensation at my solar plexus is caused by everything from me being fed on to it being caused by disempowering feelings and relationships. plus the device/hook goes thru my sp i think. also, this is an area for one of my warning signals. i think it's a combination of all of the above, so this is a busy region to say the least...

some of the pains in my heart and the center of my back are from attacks i think, since the pain stops if i start blocking or make an absorbing shield, which is one that wildmage taught me how to make. however, if the pain is only from attacks, then my shield is not strong enough for the amount of force i am receiving. i find myself also having to block in addition to having a preset shield.

but also, i think some of the pain is from that device because i have felt relief by directing the energy of the pain out to my shield to use as reinforcement after i intend for it to be transformed into shield energy. the pain could be from either the hook or maybe there's something physically wrong with my heart and/or lungs. either way, if i concentrate and push it outwards, it brings relief.



Quote:
@ 369

I understand what you mean by "angles". Your describing the flow of influence in a dense form as it transitions from one area to the next.

I also saw that dove described the same but in a different way. Hers are related to either an overflow condition or to her field probably trying to expel some kind of contaminant from her influence field.


i like that term. contaminant. yep, that's about what this hook feels like... ;) ;D


Quote:
Considering dove describes a frequent siphoning of her influence, I am not all too surprised. She must be putting out some higher than usual level of influence into her environment.

There are several solutions that are possible.


see above for why i don't really think my pain is caused by leakage of excess influence. of course that could be part of the reason and i just didn't know it. regardless, i'm all up for learning about solutions to problems... :)

when you say siphoning of my influence, do you mean that's what these attacks are? like, they're just snacking on me? :P


9 Mar, 2009, 7:01am, fore wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, quarian wrote:
It's tough, Fore, to explain what patterns are like, but I get your drift.
I'm a "feeler". So, I get a lot of impressions -- or "flavors"-- of people, if you will. It's like explaining to someone what vanilla tastes like. If I do sense that someone is negative, I simultaneously have an idea of where they are coming from...why they are the way they are. This is something that has strengthened over the years with my own life-experience.

@369: I really like your description of sensing an "angle". That makes sense to me.

So far, Quarian, you seem to be the person in the lead.


well, considering that i've only really been at this for a couple months versus several years or a lifetime of practice, i think i'm doing pretty good.... ;) :P

wildmage said i was either a fast learner or i've done this before and i just need to play catch up. ;)


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 9 Mar, 2009, 5:52pm


9 Mar, 2009, 5:57am, fore wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 5:16am, q wrote:
Unfortunately, I'm completely unaware of my own energy patterns.


That is...a pretty big problem. Lets see what we can do to alleviate that kind of issue.

Have you ever had any kind of psychic experiences? I don't know much about you.


No sir, no psychic experiences I'm aware of. As far as I can tell, I'm in the norm, aside from my high propensity to forget things.

Judging by your reation, I presume it's possible to track one's own energy flow even if one hasn't developed psychic abilities?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 9 Mar, 2009, 6:19pm


9 Mar, 2009, 9:03am, fore wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 9:01am, 369 wrote:

the part when I feel the force impact my body, which is either instantaneously after or delayed or it could be so light that I do not notice.
I am not aware of any such phenomena. Could you explain it's purpose? Why would it occur?


I was just trying to not get an image so I could feel the difference instead of just see a picture and being able to differentiate that way.

When it's delayed I think that's just a block by the being. Or it's just me not noticing the influence and then trying again.

To be honest though it might just be that I am still confused as to what I'm truly doing. So don't rule that out.

edit:
Okay I asked them to do what I was talking about, basically it feels like they keep there influence where they are and I don't feel it where my physical body is but more up there or whereever they are. Does that make sense to you?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by quarian on 10 Mar, 2009, 8:03am


9 Mar, 2009, 8:20am, fore wrote:
Ok Quarian, seems you have got the hang of the basics.

How intensely can you generate that emanating force without strain?

Do you know how to propagate the pattern to other
!)Objects?
!)Other human beings?
!)Throughout your body?


1. does a pendulum count?
2. does Reiki count?
3. yes

"Analysis-paralysis" really inhibits my abilities to a large degree, I'm sure.

However, Fore...haven't you stated previously in your thread that increasing one's abilities can be dangerous both physiologically and psychologically. In addition to attracting negative so and so's?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 Mar, 2009, 2:15pm


9 Mar, 2009, 6:19pm, 369 wrote:


edit:
Okay I asked them to do what I was talking about, basically it feels like they keep there influence where they are and I don't feel it where my physical body is but more up there or whereever they are. Does that make sense to you?


To be honest, no it doesn't make sense.

Who is "them"? And why is "them" a factor in controlling your own invisible emanations? ???
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 Mar, 2009, 2:37pm


10 Mar, 2009, 8:03am, quarian wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 8:20am, fore wrote:
Ok Quarian, seems you have got the hang of the basics.

How intensely can you generate that emanating force without strain?

Do you know how to propagate the pattern to other
!)Objects?
!)Other human beings?
!)Throughout your body?


1. does a pendulum count?
2. does Reiki count?
3. yes

"Analysis-paralysis" really inhibits my abilities to a large degree, I'm sure.
I have heard of reiki before. Not sure how it works exactly but it should involve at least part of the skill set you need to perform the manipulation of your own field.


10 Mar, 2009, 8:03am, quarian wrote:
However, Fore...haven't you stated previously in your thread that increasing one's abilities can be dangerous both physiologically and psychologically. In addition to attracting negative so and so's?


It is, and it is the reason I keep my field turned off.

Here is something to consider when thinking about learning this exercise.

1) If an alien entity approaches you, there is a 50/50 chance that it will begin to activate your field. Probably while you aren't awake.

I am pretty sure ET's will sneak up on you during the night before initiating the paralysis. So here is the conundrum:

1a) Having to keep your field active enough that your consciously aware of your environment and any stealthily approaching entities. To the point that you can detect the signs that your are about to experience an abduction.

Problem: this is likely going to cause you a "paranormal problem" like what Dove is probably experiencing. She is giving random statements that indicates that she has a significant field around her body. Which in turn means that paranormal entities will want to stay close by to siphon off some of that processed influence for their own uses.

Solution: Learning to control you level of activation so that you can turn it up when needed and back down when you don't really need it.

Problem: Activating your field and leaving it on 24/7 is likely to cause your some stress and some fatigue. Either by having to continuously keep up the level of output (which might cause problems in your body) to keeping your mind busily aware of your environment even while you sleep.

That can cause you to lose sleep if you live with someone else as your mind is constantly receiving input about your local environment.

Solution: Leave your "higher mind" to deal with the inflow of information that you receive from the local environment while you sleep. It probably will be more apt to controlling your psychic abilities as well.

It will also be easier for you to cope with that kind of conscious perception. If you "higher mind" can be tempered, it can be directed to issue warnings to your lower mind when there is something of interest approaching.

Using your "higher mind" like a buffer between your abilities is one (higher level) skill that will keep you from experiencing the full range of psychic abilities 24/7 and keep your lower mind "intact and safe" from overdoses of information.

It will also help your sleep at night. ;)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 10 Mar, 2009, 9:44pm


10 Mar, 2009, 2:15pm, fore wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 6:19pm, 369 wrote:


edit:
Okay I asked them to do what I was talking about, basically it feels like they keep there influence where they are and I don't feel it where my physical body is but more up there or whereever they are. Does that make sense to you?


To be honest, no it doesn't make sense.

Who is "them"? And why is "them" a factor in controlling your own invisible emanations? ???

oh then I probably don't know what I'm talking about

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 10 Mar, 2009, 11:44pm


Quote:
Solution: Leave your "higher mind" to deal with the inflow of information that you receive from the local environment while you sleep. It probably will be more apt to controlling your psychic abilities as well.

It will also be easier for you to cope with that kind of conscious perception. If you "higher mind" can be tempered, it can be directed to issue warnings to your lower mind when there is something of interest approaching.

Using your "higher mind" like a buffer between your abilities is one (higher level) skill that will keep you from experiencing the full range of psychic abilities 24/7 and keep your lower mind "intact and safe" from overdoses of information.


Could you explain this more in depth? Any kind of techniques?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 11 Mar, 2009, 12:10am


10 Mar, 2009, 9:44pm, 369 wrote:

10 Mar, 2009, 2:15pm, fore wrote:


To be honest, no it doesn't make sense.

Who is "them"? And why is "them" a factor in controlling your own invisible emanations? ???

oh then I probably don't know what I'm talking about
@ 369

I just want to understand how you set yourself up. There is alot of leeway in how people choose to control their abilities at first. I was asking so you could shed some light on how you set yourself up internally.

Without that info it's gonna be very hard to figure out what dynamic you've set up to control your psychic abilities.

I shared that info with Ramz and I don't really recall if you were there or not.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 11 Mar, 2009, 1:05am


Quote:
I am pretty sure ET's will sneak up on you during the night before initiating the paralysis. So here is the conundrum:

1a) Having to keep your field active enough that your consciously aware of your environment and any stealthily approaching entities. To the point that you can detect the signs that your are about to experience an abduction.

Problem: this is likely going to cause you a "paranormal problem" like what Dove is probably experiencing. She is giving random statements that indicates that she has a significant field around her body. Which in turn means that paranormal entities will want to stay close by to siphon off some of that processed influence for their own uses.


you're right, fore. this is quite the conundrum.... :P



Quote:
Solution: Learning to control you level of activation so that you can turn it up when needed and back down when you don't really need it.

Problem: Activating your field and leaving it on 24/7 is likely to cause your some stress and some fatigue. Either by having to continuously keep up the level of output (which might cause problems in your body) to keeping your mind busily aware of your environment even while you sleep.

That can cause you to lose sleep if you live with someone else as your mind is constantly receiving input about your local environment.

Solution: Leave your "higher mind" to deal with the inflow of information that you receive from the local environment while you sleep. It probably will be more apt to controlling your psychic abilities as well.

It will also be easier for you to cope with that kind of conscious perception. If you "higher mind" can be tempered, it can be directed to issue warnings to your lower mind when there is something of interest approaching.

Using your "higher mind" like a buffer between your abilities is one (higher level) skill that will keep you from experiencing the full range of psychic abilities 24/7 and keep your lower mind "intact and safe" from overdoses of information.

It will also help your sleep at night. ;)


see, i thought i had this set up. i don't purposefully ooze influence. ;) my higher mind is the one that alerts me to the presence of others via the body signals i've talked about. it just so happens that i am very popular lately so my alert system is on high most of the time. i actually try to ignore a lot of the signs that i receive. much to my detriment, i'm sure. but i do allow a certain amount of time go by before i strike out and start blocking or reinforcing my shield.

i don't think i started releasing influence first. unless you count the vibes i was sending out as influence. i went through a long period of time when i was exuding feelings of love and peace and equality. perhaps this attracted the neggies, and then i had to start learning how to block? which came first? the chicken or the egg? ;D

so if i'm just normally emitting this amount of influence i wonder what it's like when i do purposefully turn it up? :P

other than setting up the cruise control like i've done already, how else would i emit less influence?

~~~

dreamer~

connecting to your higher mind is what i've started my first post on shielding with (if i could get some peace it would be done by now). it's ironic that fore said what he did about your hs. i had just written about how that is the first step in working with shielding and psi skills, and then he posted the exact same thing!

so yeah, that's really important. if you haven't read my thread in the paranormal section about getting answers from your higher self, you might want to do that to get ready to learn how to shield. it will help give you an idea of how i started connecting to my higher self.

but really, just think of your higher mind as a program connected to the big pc. you need to purposefully create that connection, which i think you've done after reading your post about the void. it's like that. it's our connection to the universal mind.

the subconscious/higher mind is programmable and this is how you set intentions and get cooperation. mind control works because of this. they put in a program and you carry it out. scary thought... :o but if you learn how to do the programming, you will have created the link you need in order to do psi skills.



Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by stal on 11 Mar, 2009, 1:30am


Quote:
Solution: Leave your "higher mind" to deal with the inflow of information that you receive from the local environment while you sleep. It probably will be more apt to controlling your psychic abilities as well.

It will also be easier for you to cope with that kind of conscious perception. If you "higher mind" can be tempered, it can be directed to issue warnings to your lower mind when there is something of interest approaching.

Using your "higher mind" like a buffer between your abilities is one (higher level) skill that will keep you from experiencing the full range of psychic abilities 24/7 and keep your lower mind "intact and safe" from overdoses of information.


yeah this is pretty much what I do too. it runs itself in the background, and lets me know if I need to check something out, or deal with a more specific issue.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 11 Mar, 2009, 2:55am


10 Mar, 2009, 2:15pm, fore wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 6:19pm, 369 wrote:


edit:
Okay I asked them to do what I was talking about, basically it feels like they keep there influence where they are and I don't feel it where my physical body is but more up there or whereever they are. Does that make sense to you?


To be honest, no it doesn't make sense.

Who is "them"? And why is "them" a factor in controlling your own invisible emanations? ???


Oh I didn't really understand.

Sometimes when I'll feel aliens there influence feels dense and close together. That was what I was trying to describe.

I don't normal pay attention to objects and sometimes my field doesn't feel it's constantly updating my environment to me. I guess I got my field set-up on low and use it only when I want too.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by quarian on 12 Mar, 2009, 6:10am


10 Mar, 2009, 2:37pm, fore wrote:

10 Mar, 2009, 8:03am, quarian wrote:


1. does a pendulum count?
2. does Reiki count?
3. yes

"Analysis-paralysis" really inhibits my abilities to a large degree, I'm sure.
I have heard of reiki before. Not sure how it works exactly but it should involve at least part of the skill set you need to perform the manipulation of your own field.


10 Mar, 2009, 8:03am, quarian wrote:
However, Fore...haven't you stated previously in your thread that increasing one's abilities can be dangerous both physiologically and psychologically. In addition to attracting negative so and so's?


It is, and it is the reason I keep my field turned off.




Fore, Reiki is a form of healing.... of "laying on hands" It is a Japanese technique and is based on the idea that a Universal energy flows through us and is what causes us to be alive. Now...while performing Reiki, you are instructed to "invoke" Reiki guides along with your own guides. I have often wondered when partaking in Reiki healing circles, of weather or not people are ciphening off energy from the practitioner or not.

Are there any OMF "energy or Reiki "addicts" out there who care to answer? Because, I'm not sure. Whenever I have administered Reiki, I have feel exhausted afterward which would be understandable. However, I have felt the same when receiving a healing from a practitioner.

Please understand, I believe that Reiki can be a valuable healing tool. I am just wondering about the bigger picture from an personal energy perspective.

Does that make sense?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 12 Mar, 2009, 7:03am

i've heard bad things about reiki. not because it's a mode of energy healing, rather because of the 'attunements' and the symbols used. there is a possibility that if the guru or teacher has any extraneous baggage, it can be transfered to the patient. the symbols are supposedly unbalanced. i read about these things in a couple different places.

steve gamble wrote a nine-part series of articles called 'shopping for spirit' in which he talks about reiki and religion and all sorts of stuff. quite long, at about 500 printed pages, but definitely worth the read. not that all the answers are contained within, but that's true of most sources of information. they all have a little (sometimes big) piece of the puzzle.

http://www.equilibra.uk.com/articles.shtml

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energy healing can drain you if not done properly. if you are using your own energy it is particulary exhausting. when the energy source comes from outside you (or within, in the case of going directly to where our spirit originates), then the chances of being drained are much less. there is an exchange of personal energy which is inevitable. that's just quantum physics right there... ;)

but yes, there is a 'universal' energy that flows through us and around us that can be tapped to use in healing another person. or rather the energy is sent to them and the person's mind and body will use it to heal themselves.

mostly it is the intent behind what you are sending that makes a big difference. energy can heal but it can also kill. it works both ways, unfortunately. i have heard of one instance where someone that was supposed to be receiving healing was actually harmed quite a bit, to the point of being disfigured. i don't know how else to explain it other than to say the person sending it had negative intentions or didn't know what the heck they were doing.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by quarian on 12 Mar, 2009, 7:40am


12 Mar, 2009, 7:03am, dove wrote:
i've heard bad things about reiki. not because it's a mode of energy healing, rather because of the 'attunements' and the symbols used. there is a possibility that if the guru or teacher has any extraneous baggage, it can be transfered to the patient. the symbols are supposedly unbalanced. i read about these things in a couple different places.


steve gamble wrote a nine-part series of articles called 'shopping for spirit' in which he talks about reiki and religion and all sorts of stuff. quite long, at about 500 printed pages, but definitely worth the read. not that all the answers are contained within, but that's true of most sources of information. they all have a little (sometimes big) piece of the puzzle.

http://www.equilibra.uk.com/articles.shtml

~~~

energy healing can drain you if not done properly. if you are using your own energy it is particulary exhausting. when the energy source comes from outside you (or within, in the case of going directly to where our spirit originates), then the chances of being drained are much less. there is an exchange of personal energy which is inevitable. that's just quantum physics right there... ;)

but yes, there is a 'universal' energy that flows through us and around us that can be tapped to use in healing another person. or rather the energy is sent to them and the person's mind and body will use it to heal themselves.

mostly it is the intent behind what you are sending that makes a big difference. energy can heal but it can also kill. it works both ways, unfortunately. i have heard of one instance where someone that was supposed to be receiving healing was actually harmed quite a bit, to the point of being disfigured. i don't know how else to explain it other than to say the person sending it had negative intentions or didn't know what the heck they were doing.


Dove, thanks for this.

After I had my Reiki attunments, I had these questions, but I knew that the instructor was not prepared to answer my questions regarding energy vampirism and what not.

I am drawn to Reiki and to healing modalities in general. I am also scientific in nature. Therefore, for pete's sake, I wish they'd finally do some research on this type of energy.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 12 Mar, 2009, 8:33am


12 Mar, 2009, 7:40am, quarian wrote:
Dove, thanks for this.

After I had my Reiki attunments, I had these questions, but I knew that the instructor was not prepared to answer my questions regarding energy vampirism and what not.

I am drawn to Reiki and to healing modalities in general. I am also scientific in nature. Therefore, for pete's sake, I wish they'd finally do some research on this type of energy.


it would be very nice to have more studies done on this, but it's one of those things that you can't see and thus can't "prove" as far as science is concerned.

i don't need their reports to know that it works. i've given and received energy healing and i love it. ;D

unfortunately, i've also felt worse after a session with a massage therapist who used reiki on me. actually, that was the day i told her about the article by steve gamble which i had just read in-between sessions with her.

she got defensive and told me that if it wasn't written by so-and-so, then it wasn't factual information. ::) that session felt different, like i could sense a change in the energy. i had actually felt fine when i went in that day and i left in pain. it was the last time i visited her, needless to say...

i'll be posting on wildmage's thread about how i run energy. that's the next step in learning to make shields, right after making sure to have a higher mind connection.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 12 Mar, 2009, 8:08pm

Sorry about the huge delay, there is alot I am doing on this end and this has cut down my internet time. I will go back and read each post to see if I can't fill in the gaps.

At the moment I am reading all your posts to figure out what kind of skill sets you each have to figure out whether you are capable of the minimum requirements of the "anti-paralysis" technique that I was taught.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 12 Mar, 2009, 8:11pm


9 Mar, 2009, 6:37am, 369 wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 5:55am, fore wrote:
@ 369

What (in your perceptions) is the distinction between a normal person and an alien?

I am not talking about describing it to me, I am asking you to see if you can tell the difference at all.

You seem to pick up a manifestation of force. But I didn't see you describe any of it's characteristics beyond physical sensations.


The only real difference is the intensity but some people have a great intensity like aliens.
A few rare individuals do have a very significant field around them. But they could probably be numbered on two hands.

I have rarely (very rarely) witnesses anyone running fields as dense as that of the ET's. And when they did I often looked them over from afar to determine whether they were human or not.

The curious thing is I only saw them once and never again. From the outside they look like ordinary people though. But it is fascinating as to why they emit such a large field around them.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 13 Mar, 2009, 1:42am


12 Mar, 2009, 8:11pm, fore wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 6:37am, 369 wrote:


The only real difference is the intensity but some people have a great intensity like aliens.
A few rare individuals do have a very significant field around them. But they could probably be numbered on two hands.

I have rarely (very rarely) witnesses anyone running fields as dense as that of the ET's. And when they did I often looked them over from afar to determine whether they were human or not.

The curious thing is I only saw them once and never again. From the outside they look like ordinary people though. But it is fascinating as to why they emit such a large field around them.

well what about distance and intensity

someone right by me and feeling the same intensity as alien from afar, does space deter the intense feeling for you?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 13 Mar, 2009, 2:32am

I just came upon an interesting article at PsiPog that has to do with increasing sensitivity to psi energy (or influence). Since that's pretty much what Fore is trying to explain to us, I thought it would fit in here. If this much can understood, then it will make it easier for him to tell us how to break the paralysis brought on by ET.


http://www.psipog.net/art-sensitivity-manual.html

{edit to add: I hadn't read the whole article before I posted it here. Guess I got a little carried away for a minute. ;) It's not exactly what I thought it was going to be; it goes much farther than sensing your own signature. I think Fore is talking more about being able to perceive a specific energy pattern rather than the general signature, but maybe not.

Fore~~

Is there a difference or is this a case of semantics? What do you sense in this pattern? Does it consist of light, color, shape, texture, or sound? Which one of your tactile senses, if any, are you using to retrieve this information? Do you use the same criteria when scanning someone for their signature? Is it basically the same thing? }

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by observe50 on 14 Mar, 2009, 1:18am

I could not have written this as well as you, you have saved me many hours.

One thing I would like to say is this:

Just because there are Grey's that do things that are not acceptable it does not make "ALL" Grey's bad, it also works the same way with Humans.

As you say in your ways time is ticking, and if you don't choose the right path "now" I will be bringing in a New Beginning March 17, 2046

Did your Advisor ever talk to you about the importance of the """Tree of Life."""

I really just read what I wrote and I am not going to change it even with it making me sound stuffy, I am not this way. I am just trying to share and I am not really good with words.

This thread has impressed me immensely.




Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by unclejohn on 16 Mar, 2009, 7:39am


12 Mar, 2009, 8:08pm, fore wrote:
Sorry about the huge delay, there is alot I am doing on this end and this has cut down my internet time. I will go back and read each post to see if I can't fill in the gaps.

At the moment I am reading all your posts to figure out what kind of skill sets you each have to figure out whether you are capable of the minimum requirements of the "anti-paralysis" technique that I was taught.


Uncle John here: Fore, I need those "anti-paralysis" techniques. That would make my sleep time a lot better. Every couple of weeks they put me through this stuff. I don't suffer much, but it is boring and painful in a way.

What kind of skill sets are you looking for?

Only love fill.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 16 Mar, 2009, 9:18am


16 Mar, 2009, 7:39am, unclejohn wrote:

12 Mar, 2009, 8:08pm, fore wrote:
Sorry about the huge delay, there is alot I am doing on this end and this has cut down my internet time. I will go back and read each post to see if I can't fill in the gaps.

At the moment I am reading all your posts to figure out what kind of skill sets you each have to figure out whether you are capable of the minimum requirements of the "anti-paralysis" technique that I was taught.


Uncle John here: Fore, I need those "anti-paralysis" techniques. That would make my sleep time a lot better. Every couple of weeks they put me through this stuff. I don't suffer much, but it is boring[boring isn't real] and painful in a way.

What kind of skill sets are you looking for?

Only love fill.

:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8-) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-/ :-* :'(
you get every face

now tell me if I was nice or mean,
..................................mean or nice.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 16 Mar, 2009, 9:51am


16 Mar, 2009, 7:39am, unclejohn wrote:


What kind of skill sets are you looking for?

Only love fill.
Well for one, you have to be able to have sensation of your own energy.

Then you have to be able to distinguish the difference between various kinds of patterns.

And lastly you have to understand various basics about what it means to create variations in your own patterns.

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Apparently, some ET's like the Greys have the same kind of limitations as I do. They need to concentrate on a specific energy pattern.

A sort of "entrainment" or "locking on" process that requires concentration.

Fundamental principles of influence: It is not a pattern at a distant point in space and time in the same way as we understand physical space principles.

So they cannot simply lock on to a target by simply "looking at it". They have to sense the pattern or perceive it to some degree like I do it seems. Then once they are able to "lock on" to a specific pattern they can begin to emit or induce modifications to disrupt a typical psychic pattern and it's cyclical processes.

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I am describing something that is very hard to understand on the surface of my statements without any experience of the reader. I know this but I keep trying to relay it anyway.

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Disrupting that "locking on" procedure can be done by inducing significant and rapid changes in the consistency of your bodies patterns. By doing so, you make it increasingly difficult for the ET entity to establish a mental perception of a pattern. The way that is necessary to induce changes.

It's like trying mentally lock on to a psychic pattern of an individual that is constantly shifting slightly in psychic composition and state. I suppose it is something like what the advisor claims happens when someone is in the midst of panic.

She said someone who is in panic cannot be controlled psychically because the patterns of the individual becomes ~choatic~.

I knew what she meant exactly at the time. But I didn't completely appreciate what was being relayed. I suspect that this "randomly shifting psychic field technique", she taught/instructed me in, works on the same basic principles as "panic".

It appears that at least some ET's do have psychic limitations in inducing certain kinds of phenomena. Or they need to perform some entrainment procedure.

That means if the field keeps randomly changing in consistency a being like a grey will not be able to establish changes or control over a specific pattern.

The loss of control is likely to cause significant problems. Like losing their focus while performing their psychic paralysis technique on an individual. Probably even more.

I have only tested it once during one fateful abduction encounter. It worked just like the advisor said it should. The Males when subjected to the process, lost the ability to focus their psychic paralysis on me.

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To test it our you need someone who can perform their own version of the technique and to understand the basic principles it is based on.

If it can be done repeatedly, we can then perform it during live abductions to test it's effectiveness and gather data on how the ET react to it.

Assuming you come back without a vengeful lobotomy ;D....or that you are aware enough to notice the approach of an ET before it has effectively paralyzed you and put you to sleep.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 16 Mar, 2009, 10:06am


16 Mar, 2009, 9:51am, fore wrote:

16 Mar, 2009, 7:39am, unclejohn wrote:


What kind of skill sets are you looking for?

Only love fill.
Well for one, you have to be able to have sensation of your own energy.

Then you have to be able to distinguish the difference between various kinds of patterns.

And lastly you have to understand various basics about what it means to create variations in your own patterns.

================================================

Apparently, some ET's like the Greys have the same kind of limitations as I do. They need to concentrate on a specific energy pattern.

A sort of "entrainment" or "locking on" process that requires concentration.

Fundamental principles of influence: It is not a pattern at a distant point in space and time in the same way as we understand physical space principles.

So they cannot simply lock on to a target by simply "looking at it". They have to sense the pattern or perceive it to some degree like I do it seems. Then once they are able to "lock on" to a specific pattern they can begin to emit or induce modifications to disrupt a typical psychic pattern and it's cyclical processes.


so the bigger the field the further away the alien can be from the physical body to not face risk in getting harmed.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by unclejohn on 16 Mar, 2009, 10:10am

Uncle John here: Thanks Fore.

I do have a sense of my own energy patterns. When I'm awake I can put myself into different patterns such as meditation or elation, but generally like to take things as they naturally occur.

This only happens when I'm already asleep. Usually toward the end of my sleep cycle.

This occurs during a dream-initiated lucid dream (as opposed to a wake-initiated lucid dream) where I can remember the dream when I wake up and sometimes it seems I'm awake when it is occurring.

It usually happens when I perceive that my whole body is paralyzed. It seems that if I can muster enough force to force myself into a sitting position or our of bed then the feeling will go away.

Many times I seem to be pleading with others (people I'm familiar with) to help me move my arms. If I can get my arms moving I'll come out of it.

I have no sense or recollection that I'm being abducted or ET presense involved. I always get the strong sense that I'm in my bed, but I can't move. Strange but I don't recall this ever happening when I'm not sleeping in my own bed.

It seems to me that I'm being messed with because some group is not happy with my behavior. In other words, a form of punishment.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 16 Mar, 2009, 11:21am


16 Mar, 2009, 10:10am, unclejohn wrote:
Uncle John here: Thanks Fore.

I do have a sense of my own energy patterns. When I'm awake I can put myself into different patterns such as meditation or elation, but generally like to take things as they naturally occur.

This only happens when I'm already asleep. Usually toward the end of my sleep cycle.

This occurs during a dream-initiated lucid dream (as opposed to a wake-initiated lucid dream) where I can remember the dream when I wake up and sometimes it seems I'm awake when it is occurring.

It usually happens when I perceive that my whole body is paralyzed. It seems that if I can muster enough force to force myself into a sitting position or our of bed then the feeling will go away.

Many times I seem to be pleading with others (people I'm familiar with) to help me move my arms. If I can get my arms moving I'll come out of it.

I have no sense or recollection that I'm being abducted or ET presense involved. I always get the strong sense that I'm in my bed, but I can't move. Strange but I don't recall this ever happening when I'm not sleeping in my own bed.

It seems to me that I'm being messed with because some group is not happy with my behavior. In other words, a form of punishment.
Uncle john.

How honest can I be with you?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by unclejohn on 16 Mar, 2009, 12:30pm


16 Mar, 2009, 11:21am, fore wrote:
Uncle john.

How honest can I be with you?


Uncle John here: Be as honest as you can. Don't hold anything back.

I can take anything good or bad that comes my way. I like to keep everything about me out in the open. Sometimes this totally unnerves people. I have been blessed with a lot of very special experiences, training and knowledge, yet like everyone else, I don't know everything, in fact I only know a small part. I will say that my small part is much wider is scope and depth than everybody's' else's, as far as I can perceive.

So, fire away.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Mar, 2009, 5:22am


9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, dove wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 4:38am, fore wrote:
Dove has recently asked me to explain how I broke the paralysis effect that one of the Grey's had on me. She asked me to explain the technique.

But before I do, I need to understand, or get a feel for how people generally sense their energy patterns.

Can you guys percieve the differences between one pattern and another? If so in what way does it manifest or are the differences perceived for you guys/gals personally?

(@ Anyone/Everyone)



Quote:
What (in your perceptions) is the distinction between a normal person and an alien?

I am not talking about describing it to me, I am asking you to see if you can tell the difference at all.

You seem to pick up a manifestation of force. But I didn't see you describe any of it's characteristics beyond physical sensations.



i'm still learning how to differentiate different energies. humans don't make me feel the same way as aliens or demons.
Good, that means you can tell the difference between at least three different kinds of "family" of patterns.

Have you noticed that aliens of the same kind exhibit the same "base pattern" but with different kinds overt expressions?

For example, most ordinary people feel exactly the same at the base. A signature consistent with a human in their psychic influence patterns. But there are differences in some of the "over tones" and "under tones" of their patterns generated from variations in attitude, emotional and mental make up..





9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, dove wrote:
i go by physical and psychic impressions that i receive. human emanations have a certain vibe to them, though if they are threatening to me then i will feel almost the same sensations as if an ET were near me.
Probably because the perceived sensations are translated in your mind as being the same.

Your physical brain and it's associated non-physical structures translate one type of psychic sensation into something your lower mind can perceive in it's own "range of experience".

Learning to "split hairs" in defining something is much better as it allows you to make clear distinctions between various kinds of psychic input.

Eventually by splitting hairs (and doing so without adding any imagination in the process) you'll have access to higher abilities.

It's like standing out in an open field and looking in all four directions. In each direction, different kinds of forests exist. From a surface appraisal you can see that there are obvious differences in the structure of the forests.

One forest may be one kind of trees...while another forest might be another kind. That general distinction is easy to make between different kinds of forests. But if you learn to look closely at the details, your mind (the brain side) will begin to create granular distinctions in those generalized sensations. It will increase your ability to resolve not just the types of trees in the forest but how the various trees look in each actual forest.

A sort of close-up observation that tells you more about the forest than simply that these four forest are all unalike.

This is really important also to learning to distinguish the differences between signature patterns in people and objects. Most natural psychics I have met are very poor at this.

They have a very low ability to resolve what they are perceiving. That in turn can limit severely how much they are capable of perceiving.

Also memorizing the signature traits helps you in identifying what kind of entity is in front of you even if it is not optically visible. As well as learning what patterns denote a "solid object" and what means "spiritual" or what means "alien" or "sickness" etc.

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Once you know the difference. It is a mild hop in learning to proceed to the next skill. Which is mimicking patterns you have seen before.

If you know what a stomach ache pattern looks like, you can with some skill, use the various influence center in your body to generate a similar if not the same pattern.

Lets say you want to give someone a stomach ache. First you memorize what the psychic pattern consistent with a stomach ache is....then you focus on your forearms influence center and set it on high output. And carefully adjust the properties of that emitted influence to mimick the properties of a stomach ache.

Next you grab your guinea pig (another human being) and inject the pattern into the appropriate areas of their body. In a matter of moments they will begin to experience a stomach ache.

[Don't do this until you have advanced ALOT. And NEVER without someones permission. You can harm them permanently if you don't know what you are doing.]

The same works in reverse.

When someone heals, they usually override a pattern that is found in the body of the individual. Either by extraction of the pattern beyond their body or by inducing direct changes to the patterns within their body itself.

Once the changes are propagated into that individual the individual will feel relief. Also known as: "Healing".


9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, dove wrote:
imo, an attack is an attack, and it makes me feel the same way no matter what the source.
Thats because you physical and non-physical body is reacting to the siphoning of your processes influence patterns.


9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, dove wrote:
i'm sorting it out as i learn how to perceive energy signatures better, but for the most part i can tell when a human is visiting me rather than ET.
Good, thats a good start. Have you ever met an individual who has given off patterns consistent with an ET presence.

[not in intensity, but in likeness]

I am curious about this.


9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, dove wrote:
like i said before, i have several different sensations in my body, according to who is around and what part of me they are attacking. if i feel a rock in my gut, then i know it's time to block or shield since they are near.
Sometimes the denser bundles of influence found deep within the body can seem like a dense object moving throughout the interior of the body.

In my own case, it sometimes feel like a dense long line moving around in my body. This dense influence...when moved about, can cause tissues fluids in the body to experience anomalies and it may act like a magnet of sorts.

For example, I have noticed that blood moves in the direction of where ever the highest concentration of influence can be found. If you channel it towards your head, then blood will (for some odd reason) move along with it in that direction.

I tried this theory out with Musado (one of the mods before he was a mod) and I found that if I took control of his influence and directed it to compress towards his chest that his blood started defying biology and started going into his chest.

He started feeling light headed so I didn't take it very far. But the principle seems to work.

When you influence is siphoned from your field, your physical and non-physical body reacts inadvertently in response to the anomalous occurrence.

I could name the various kinds of reactions but I will save that for another post. (usually pain spots, dizziness, inflammation etc from where the draining occurs)



9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, dove wrote:
sometimes that is bypassed, and i just feel attacked, like when my heart or the center of my back is hurting.
Points along the body where non-physical conduits exist. Usually you'll feel very sore.

Consider this interesting point though in your defense technique. Setting up a psychic "shield" is really putting up a formed manifestation of raw influence.

Further, consider this too, "a shield" is modeled after an effective defense when considering a *physical* weapon.

It is not a very good technique to employ when done improperly. When you consider that you are taking raw influence from different parts of your body (and around it) and forming it into a raw shape at you mental discretion.

You are literally making a shape or form that has little if any defensive properties. For all you know, the entity that is draining you may thank you for collecting a chunk of your patterned influence and putting it out where it can easily be reached.

Rather than some rigid defense, you might be putting out a "big cookie". One with a big sign that says "collect chunks from me".

Bringing out larger doses of influence into the environment is not an incentive for the entity to remove itself from the situation, but rather to stick around for a lot longer to siphon off as much as it can bear to take with it.

Also in forming such a psychic structure you may be increasing your output and that in turn may attract more entities to join in on the feast.

You might not feel bad from using this technique, probably because it's not being taken from the inside of your body but from a potential buffet that you put out in front of yourself in an act of protecting yourself.

You might want to consider learning to turn off your abilities as a reaction to being siphoned by an external presence. Also for being attacked remotely.

It's a simply way to offer protection as it makes the objective to harm you much harder to perform.



9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, dove wrote:
i think that might be remote attacks, therefore i don't necessarily feel their presence here, hence the lack of the yucky feeling in my gut (solar plexus) before the attack. the one i feel at the moment is a little different. it's a pulling at my belly button and lower. i'm still trying to figure out what each sensation means. ::)
Exploration, memorization and calibration is 90% of the game.

Exploring different sensations.

Memorizing what the different sensations mean.

Calibrating the accuracy in detecting those patterns to the point that your ESP can work like a Extra Sensory [Peripheral] of the body.

If you work hard, you'll be a long hop away the how alien entities themselves experience and perceive the world around them.


9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, dove wrote:
~~~

now if you're referring to being able to sense my own signature, i've heard that this is important but i don't know exactly what it means. and from what q is saying, he doesn't either. perhaps you could explain how this works. i thought i knew what my own sig feels like, but maybe i don't. i can tell when i'm not the only one in the room. does that count? :P

Let me think of how to explain this properly.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by colquitt on 21 Mar, 2009, 8:54am


12 Mar, 2009, 8:11pm, fore wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 6:37am, 369 wrote:


The only real difference is the intensity but some people have a great intensity like aliens.
A few rare individuals do have a very significant field around them. But they could probably be numbered on two hands.

I have rarely (very rarely) witnesses anyone running fields as dense as that of the ET's. And when they did I often looked them over from afar to determine whether they were human or not.

The curious thing is I only saw them once and never again. From the outside they look like ordinary people though. But it is fascinating as to why they emit such a large field around them.


Did you ever think to engage these strangers? A simple hello? Supernovas dressed like Everyday Joe should equal one hell of a conversation.

I only ask because I think if I were able to detect things like that, I'd want to investigate further. Unless of course they seemed

I don't know. I guess I'm jealous! I'm very empathic, and a good judge of character, but my abilities pretty much stop there. I can charm and sing songs, and can even find parallels between feeling that rush of a great performance with the influence you speak of. But what you guys talk about in this thread just seems so unreal to me. Not in a negative way, of course. Don't get me wrong. I mean in a fantastic and beautiful sense of the other reality that I unfortunately cannot seem to touch.

Anyway, I may not fully grasp what you guys talk about in this thread in a literal sense, but goddamn if you guys and gals aren't interesting people with some serious ideas, and for that I commend you all.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 22 Mar, 2009, 3:31am


21 Mar, 2009, 8:54am, colquitt wrote:

12 Mar, 2009, 8:11pm, fore wrote:
A few rare individuals do have a very significant field around them. But they could probably be numbered on two hands.

I have rarely (very rarely) witnesses anyone running fields as dense as that of the ET's. And when they did I often looked them over from afar to determine whether they were human or not.

The curious thing is I only saw them once and never again. From the outside they look like ordinary people though. But it is fascinating as to why they emit such a large field around them.


Did you ever think to engage these strangers? A simple hello? Supernovas dressed like Everyday Joe should equal one hell of a conversation.

I only ask because I think if I were able to detect things like that, I'd want to investigate further. Unless of course they seemed

I don't know. I guess I'm jealous! I'm very empathic, and a good judge of character, but my abilities pretty much stop there. I can charm and sing songs, and can even find parallels between feeling that rush of a great performance with the influence you speak of. But what you guys talk about in this thread just seems so unreal to me. Not in a negative way, of course. Don't get me wrong. I mean in a fantastic and beautiful sense of the other reality that I unfortunately cannot seem to touch.

Anyway, I may not fully grasp what you guys talk about in this thread in a literal sense, but d**n if you guys and gals aren't interesting people with some serious ideas, and for that I commend you all.



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Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 22 Mar, 2009, 4:40am


22 Mar, 2009, 3:31am, 369 wrote:

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Lol.

Reading the stuff in this section leaves me with an odd and nagging itch knowing that I'm absolutely shut off of an entire dimension of the human experience that others are able to tap into. Sometimes I read Fore's posts and kind of chuckle about how he just rattles off about all sorts of things as if he were answering a multitude of questions from four year olds. Other times, I realize I understand the language of his posts, but I'm utterly in the dark about it's actual properties. And then there's Rev's stuff, which, for me, is like reading Dan's stuff - neither make any sense to me.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Mar, 2009, 6:22am

I had already made a post but my browser crashed and it got deleted. I will start a new post and see if I can't answer the latest round of questions while catching up on the old ones being asked.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Mar, 2009, 6:40am


22 Mar, 2009, 4:40am, q wrote:

22 Mar, 2009, 3:31am, 369 wrote:

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


Lol.

Reading the stuff in this section leaves me with an odd and nagging itch knowing that I'm absolutely shut off of an entire dimension of the human experience that others are able to tap into. Sometimes I read Fore's posts and kind of chuckle about how he just rattles off about all sorts of things as if he were answering a multitude of questions from four year olds. Other times, I realize I understand the language of his posts, but I'm utterly in the dark about it's actual properties. And then there's Rev's stuff, which, for me, is like reading Dan's stuff - neither make any sense to me.
@ Q

I now understand your point of view. It's a strange world to see things without the psychic elements built in.

It's always been turned on since I was a tiny baby so living now while almost being turned "off" is like living a whole new experience.

I didn't really understand why people behaved the way they did. It seemed like everybody was somehow missing the absolutely obvious in front of them.

When I finally started to percieve reality again without the psychic "IMAX" experience, it was something completely new and very limiting.

I understand better how people make the choices they have always made and I can slip into those shoes better and understand how decisions come out the way they do.

To be honest, even though my life has almost always been abnormal from a standard persons view point. A part of me still realized the reality that things were not being perceived as they should be by myself. And that using my abilities during normal life seemed to "throw the game" in an abnormal way.

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Sometimes, while I was growing up, I used my abilities to gather information that shouldn't have been known in a normal scenario. When I won things by "cheating", I dared to state outloud that I was doing just that.

Even though the few times I did plainly say it in front of the un-introduced, (and got chastised for the behavior by the advisor)...people never really understood what I meant when I said I "cheated" and I didn't help them to understand either.

They couldn't figure out how I did things on a whim and assumed the standard conclusion was applicable when I said I cheated at the way things should have gone.

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I have to say, the way the ET's experience the world and the way ordinary people experience it is very different. It appears to be two different dynamics in play.

Until you see it for yourself you don't really understand what I mean by that.

But I will promise everyone who does listen or bother to read my recountings that they are 100% real and true.

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Imagine for a moment, like q said, there is an entire dimension (figuratively speaking) that people are on average completely blind to.

Because they don't experience it directly, it doesn't seem to exist to them at all.

Even though it affects their lives in pretty significant ways.

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And there are definitely many entities of various kinds behind the scenes that go completely unnoticed by humanity until they make themselves abundantly obvious to someone.

Be it an abduction....or a contact experience...or opting to give information in their life by giving them a "pre-warning" of an event that is about to transpire.

We sure do live in a strange world.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Mar, 2009, 6:47am

For example, on monday when you guys go to work. Imagine what it would be like to know where you will be in a few years from now.

Imagine knowing the thoughts and feelings (as they actually feel it) of your co-workers all day even when they aren't with you.

Imagine communicating with each other and exchanging thoughts as if they were bonded to your own consciousness.

Imagine the depths of the conversations that could take place if you really understood each other without the pretense found in common life.

Imagine if you could express yourself as you really are and not as you want to politely appear to be.

How would that change the way you do things in life?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Mar, 2009, 6:55am


22 Mar, 2009, 6:47am, fore wrote:
Imagine what it would be like to know where you will be in a few years from now.



Imagine making choices based on the pre-cognition of the outcome before it has ever even taken place in the present.

What would you do with that kind of foresight? What would everyone else do with the same information around you?

How would your behaviors, choices, and outlook be changed if you could see that much of yourself?

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Is it hard to imagine?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by colquitt on 22 Mar, 2009, 9:14am


22 Mar, 2009, 6:55am, fore wrote:

22 Mar, 2009, 6:47am, fore wrote:
Imagine what it would be like to know where you will be in a few years from now.



Imagine making choices based on the pre-cognition of the outcome before it has ever even taken place in the present.

What would you do with that kind of foresight? What would everyone else do with the same information around you?

How would your behaviors, choices, and outlook be changed if you could see that much of yourself?

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Is it hard to imagine?


I don't know. Maybe I'm the wrong person to answer because I analyze things to death anyway, regardless. If I were able to see further ahead... it seems like not much else would change. I'd still think things through to the point of time eclipsing the moment of action, only it might take a lot longer as the information (setting, consequences, etc) is a lot bigger.

I guess if it were hard to imagine, I probably wouldn't have found myself at this point, typing in this thread, with you particular individuals. I'd probably be at a bar drinking myself stupid and singing songs of merryment... cause really what else is there if you have such a insular perspective on things. Hedonism and nihilism- the only easily attainable truths found in modern society.

Despite these facts, I still think that things wouldn't be as bad as you imply, were we primitive apes able to fully grasp the unseen nature all around us and all the powers that might entail. I mean seriously, for the most part we humans aren't blood thirsty idiots. Yes, there is definitely need for healing of the souls stuck in cycles of abuse, and quite a few of us need a bit more discipline when it comes to the affairs of material wealth... but for the most part I think we're pretty good. We are being manipulated by powers that aren't necessarily looking out for our best interest, but were those chains of oppression and financial slavery lifted, I really think we'd be ok. Anyway, I think that there are always bad apples, but they are often noticed before they ripen as long as you're paying attention.

What do you think Fore? Do you think we have a chance? Or do you believe fate is something that cannot be changed?

I only ask because the future your Advisor was training you for... pretty bleak for the human race, yeah?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 22 Mar, 2009, 5:25pm


22 Mar, 2009, 9:14am, colquitt wrote:
Hedonism and nihilism- the only easily attainable truths found in modern society.


It would seem that mind altering substances are the reason that those who would otherwise lead this lifestyle have a sense of spirituality. Being that there are cultures whose spirituality is entirely based on taking certain plants, mushrooms, or some concoction that creates similar effects, and then interpreting or assimilating a new outlook; it seems that the Earth has provided a link to the divine for those that are "impaired" [read: not psychic nor normally able to process information like an artist].

Now, the drug "problem" is based in the nihilistic use of drugs to escape, which isn't always the case, but is easy to see. If it's used for fun and not taken responsibly, then it seems that the user develops a habit and it gets out of control. I would blame the culture the user finds himself in for their nihilistic use in the first place.

Now, to steer this right back to something Fore and others can comfortably speak about, the proper use of drugs and the proper use or development of psychic abilities would seem to have the need for teachers or guides. There are several "drug experts" that have cautiously approved the use of drugs, with the caveat that one ought to properly and responsibly use them; some going so far as to say that only with a shaman can these chemicals be used properly.

This would seem to go hand in hand with what is going on at OMF at the very least, regarding the learning of how to use and develop psychic abilities. Fore happens to be a prominent figure in this regard because of his clear handle of the ins and outs of psychic ability, in so far as to the depth that he has been educated, as well as his remarkable ability to communicate the whole thing. If he were so inclined, I'm willing to bet he could make a job out of it; but for now, he's communicating the answers to several people's questions in various posts... or the novels he periodically produces. I presume he also gets a lot of pm's asking him this or that about psychic abilities.

He, it would seem, is an example of how a seasoned psychic (as if the Advisor wasn't one anyway) can be an essential tool to properly developing psychic abilities, especially in light of his comments on previous members or Ms. Goodchild, among other things, as he can analyze the subject's progress or results and make suggestions or point things out that would otherwise be unnoticed or so the subject could avoid pitfalls.

Now, what does Fore having a potential job as a shaman/teacher have to do with hedonism and nihilism? Not a whole lot, but if he were to become such a person, he could kind of guide people through various experiences that would shock their core beliefs and could help them cope with the possibly religious experiences. Then again, I suspect few would be willing to undertake such a responsibility and fewer would be qualified.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 22 Mar, 2009, 7:49pm

Have you ever tried to pattern your influence with love to rebel "demons". Rev stated that this works for him. Giving them the opposite pattern they want.

I don't understand how the only option is to turn of your field.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 23 Mar, 2009, 5:44am

I've done that. Seems to work quite well. Best method besides doing what I call, "Pushing" them out, using your influence, presence, to literally say, "No! You CANNOT be here!"
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 23 Mar, 2009, 8:17am


22 Mar, 2009, 9:14am, colquitt wrote:

22 Mar, 2009, 6:55am, fore wrote:


Imagine making choices based on the pre-cognition of the outcome before it has ever even taken place in the present.

What would you do with that kind of foresight? What would everyone else do with the same information around you?

How would your behaviors, choices, and outlook be changed if you could see that much of yourself?

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Is it hard to imagine?


I don't know. Maybe I'm the wrong person to answer because I analyze things to death anyway, regardless.
Same here.


22 Mar, 2009, 9:14am, colquitt wrote:
If I were able to see further ahead... it seems like not much else would change. I'd still think things through to the point of time eclipsing the moment of action, only it might take a lot longer as the information (setting, consequences, etc) is a lot bigger.
The aliens I have witnesses have always been the same in one reguard. Even if they don't make it obvious, communicating with them often enough you probably walk away with the same impressions.

They tend to coordinate their decisions based on the results.

Think about that for a second.

How different it is from our process of decision making?

If our kind wants to make a decision 9 out of 10 times we make a decision based on a desire and it is like a shot in the dark because we can't quite be certain it will be the right decision based on whatever outcome eventually manifests.

But "them"...they decide, read forward, then go back and modify their present behaviors until it matches what they want to occur eventually occur. There is always the possibility something or someone will throw a spanner in the works in the meantime. But they can, like I could for a time, sense the alterations in time and change situations to correct it.

(Except in my case they always keep me under their thumb in their own way to make sure I never exploit the abilities for my own use or ends.)

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Leveled criticisms:

People never seem to wonder why they can catch glimpses of the future while they sleep and then relive them months or years later.

People in general assume that the future hasn't yet existed. Yet they have pre-cognition....based on what? A figment of a future tense of reality? Or something real and manifested.

Isn't there really something we still have to learn about the properties of time in our universe? <insert intrigue here>

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ET criticisms:

The real problem I see arising is when "someones" or "somethings"
make a coordinated effort to skew the path of future events before they have yet transpired in the "now".

Some ET's I have met (actually alot of them) give the general impression that they are playing a complicated strategic game with the timeline. Events that are transpiring in the future are being "retrained" into a new course of events.

And while normal people may not or perceive the anomalies that occur in the timeline, some people who do have the pre-cognition ability can see the paths being altered without rhyme or reason.

Considering no one on Earth should have any technology to allow them to this...(*ahem* in theory).....the path of the timeline should be pretty darn stable.

Instead, I can tell someone is tinkering on a grand scale. And there are anomalies that shouldn't be.

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So what do you do when you have a trans-dimensional party from "out there" playing games on micro and macro scale? And to boot they are apparently competing with one another.

You think chess may be complex...but you should see how they express themselves when they talk about strategy.


22 Mar, 2009, 9:14am, colquitt wrote:
I guess if it were hard to imagine, I probably wouldn't have found myself at this point, typing in this thread, with you particular individuals. I'd probably be at a bar drinking myself stupid and singing songs of merryment... cause really what else is there if you have such a insular perspective on things. Hedonism and nihilism- the only easily attainable truths found in modern society.

Despite these facts, I still think that things wouldn't be as bad as you imply, were we primitive apes able to fully grasp the unseen nature all around us and all the powers that might entail. I mean seriously, for the most part we humans aren't blood thirsty idiots.
Killing is only the result of people being unable to properly manage ambition or their ego with relation to the health of other people around them.

People acquiring new abilities would simply change the way things are done, not what is done, IMO.

Alot of people are pretty decent individuals from what I can see. Sometimes surprisingly so (IMO).

But more than half have "issues" at varying levels that I wouldn't place much trust in. What they believe and what they do in that belief is really messed up.



22 Mar, 2009, 9:14am, colquitt wrote:
Yes, there is definitely need for healing of the souls stuck in cycles of abuse, and quite a few of us need a bit more discipline when it comes to the affairs of material wealth... but for the most part I think we're pretty good.
I wish I could be as optimistic as you are.

Sometimes when walking about, and after seeing society in action. I wonder if there really is hope for some. Sometimes I joke internally to myself that some would probably have to be strapped to a table and subjected to some forced reeducation. Then I remember that is a hopeless course of action and an unpalatable one to consider.

Then I go on to wonder what is going to be done with people who are far too entrenched in the way of the world. Even if change happens what do you do with a massive population that is brought up on one way of thinking?

Full of bad habits, thoughts and preconceptions.

Then I muse within myself of thinking about the New Agers who think that somehow some ET event from space is going to change the vices and hearts of these individuals. And I wonder how many years do they expect that to happen if a normal lifespan on this earth is so incredibly short.

How do you keep the future children from adopting various problems from the parents whom have such incredible levels of corrupt vices and faulty strategies of thinking from years and years of living in this world.

I come to the conclusion, eventually,that there can't be a "nice" or "comfortable" solution to it all. Then I further wonder if the world could seriously accept a subset population of evolving individuals with evolving abilities.

Whats to stop them from abducting individuals from these evolving populations and turning them into tools once they realize/discover there is a legitimate advantage to using them?

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Many complicated thoughts on my part. But that's what I wonder when I see people on the street and see how some of them behave in very barbaric ways. As long as they are ignorant and kept in the dark there is very little to fear.

But once something shakes up the fundamentals of the world, there is a lot to worry about.

If the minds people have ever caught up with the technology, then I wouldn't worry. But some things are slower in development it seems.

Talking to ET's just makes the differences more pronounced and it brings up many deep thoughts about both sides of the fence and about how we might all turn out or treat one another when the curtain is suddenly pulled.

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Right now, I am just some internet wierdo talking about elaborate "fantasies". (yeah I get those PM's too)

But tomorrow, or someday, you'll never know what you'll be seen as.


22 Mar, 2009, 9:14am, colquitt wrote:
We are being manipulated by powers that aren't necessarily looking out for our best interest, but were those chains of oppression and financial slavery lifted, I really think we'd be ok.
I agree. I have faith (believe it or not) that as long as some basic steps are taken to right our way out of doom...we can make ourselves a better people for it.

But until the world doesn't initiate changes, the invertible probability marches ever closer. And correcting our situation becomes an ever bigger improbability.


22 Mar, 2009, 9:14am, colquitt wrote:
Anyway, I think that there are always bad apples, but they are often noticed before they ripen as long as you're paying attention.
Really?

Hmm, people must not be looking very well. One thing I have learned about people in my area is that as long as everyone shares the same common "messed up" reality. The results are seen as fine.

It's like a kid who has played with drugs sees another kid who plays with drugs as being "normal".

At some point the barrel of apples fills up with so many rotten apples that the standards are greatly lowered and society no longer sees a dire situation as a problem anymore.


22 Mar, 2009, 9:14am, colquitt wrote:
What do you think Fore? Do you think we have a chance? Or do you believe fate is something that cannot be changed?
I believe we have a set course in front of us [fate]. There have been many parties [some supernatural] who have gone through the extensive effort to put up signs that there is no road in a few miles up ahead.

I often think the warnings given are as large as the disaster that looms. But amazingly, few individuals seem to be heeding the warnings signs that the road runs out a few miles ahead.

The driver is preoccupied with every second of the path than the ultimate destination.

The driver and passengers even worry more about whether they have entertainment during the trip rather than whether they will make it. So entertained are the occupants of the vehicle, that they don't see the car wrecks strewn alongside the path of the road.

Some of the other drivers see the signs and decide the stop and wonder deeply why the warnings are all over the side of the road.

But the majority are tearing through the highway to the future willfully in a bliss and disconnected from many issues.

There is plenty of road to come to a stop.

But each moment that passes the greater the distance is covered and the less time there is to react to the impending event that the warning signs keep pointing to.

The further the occupants and the driver navigate towards the edge of the road, the less probability there is that the occupants will ultimately survive the trip.

Will they heed the warnings or will they just become the next defunct wreck?

Time will tell. I hope the changes occur faster and the world changes course.

But the current trajectory is that the road will run out from under the driver and occupants. It will take a miracle and some heavenly muscle to change that fate. And as the warning signs point, not many will live to see it.

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Some may say that's a bit nihilist view in itself. But I consider myself a realist with an even keel with some cognition of the problems that are systemically threatening to run us all collectively off the road.

I think the world needs to pull it's weight and God will do the rest of the heavy lifting.

But if the last chapter is that humanity, with all the extensive warnings, refuses to change it's path given all that has been afforded in warnings. Then there is going to be a major reduction in life expectancy and catastrophe that follows.

You could say we are ill prepared to deal with ourselves and what we have all conspired to create in one way or another.




22 Mar, 2009, 9:14am, colquitt wrote:
I only ask because the future your Advisor was training you for... pretty bleak for the human race, yeah?
Lets hope she is wrong. I stand to lose alot of experiences if she is right. That would suck! [for me!]

So far her proposed trajectory is [almost] spot on.

One thing I would like to say in her defense though. She did say a long time ago to me, that as long as people are separated in time from the events she was describing. They would seem to be "surreal".

The more the world merges with that extremely probable future, the more "real" it is to those experiencing it.

The collapse of the economy and the closing of space before the end of the decade (2010) are just two predicted elements in her story. You don't want to know of the rest if you don't already know of it.

It's kind of funny though, in a way. If you bring someone back from 2020 and have them recount about the future, who would believe them?

Sometimes I worry because she spoke of the events as if she were talking about history rather than predictions.

Anyway, I think I have rambled enough for this post.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 23 Mar, 2009, 8:40am

I really hope one day you'll all meet her in person, face to face, so that you can see she is not a doom and gloom gal.

It would be nice if she one day made visits without spooking your guys (if that is possible?). It'd be nice if people saw for themselves that I wasn't off my rocking chair about my contact experiences.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 23 Mar, 2009, 3:33pm


Quote:

Really?

Hmm, people must not be looking very well. One thing I have learned about people in my area is that as long as everyone shares the same common "messed up" reality. The results are seen as fine.

It's like a kid who has played with drugs sees another kid who plays with drugs as being "normal".

At some point the barrel of apples fills up with so many rotten apples that the standards are greatly lowered and society no longer sees a dire situation as a problem anymore.


I agree


Quote:

The collapse of the economy and the closing of space before the end of the decade (2010) are just two predicted elements in her story. You don't want to know of the rest if you don't already know of it.

I want to know the rest.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 24 Mar, 2009, 1:48am


23 Mar, 2009, 8:17am, fore wrote:

One thing I would like to say in her defense though. She did say a long time ago to me, that as long as people are separated in time from the events she was describing. They would seem to be "surreal".

The more the world merges with that extremely probable future, the more "real" it is to those experiencing it.


This is really interesting...

My days have felt very surreal lately--just the past month or so. Sometimes I have a hard time believing that I'm even here, or that any of this stuff is happening to me.

Does that mean that I am veering away from the probable future? If so, that would be sweet, since the the current one is not looking so great. :P

I've also had several feelings of a type of deja vu, but not in the classic sense. I feel like I'm in a time loop; that some of the things that have happened lately are just a rehash, or I'm just remembering something that's already occured.

I guess that's what deja vu is, but this seems different. Like an extended version, not some quick flash lasting a couple seconds. I just feel like I remember doing portions of the past few months before now.

The weirdest part comes in the form of a clue, found on my fingertips. I'm in the school of service (imagine that ::)), having a greater number of whorls on my fingers than any other pattern. According to the engraving of my fingerprints and how they are arranged on my hand, my life purpose is to be the pioneer, forging a different path--using uncoventional ways. My life lesson is for me to be able to break the failure cycle and create results in the world that I can see.

Perhaps I'm changing the future? :P

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 24 Mar, 2009, 2:10am

Btw, Fore~~

I'm not ignoring your response to my post. ;)

I've actually tried a few times to reply. I keep getting sidetracked by this other stuff I have had going on lately. :-/

And for some strange reason, every time I try to write something in your thread, I get visitors. :P

They don't make me feel like a teddy bear--all soft and warm... ;)

I just wonder why they come around when I am merely replying to your posts? I perceive that they don't want you to have contact with me (or anyone else, for that matter). I guess they are a little possessive of you. ???

I should be used to having company of this kind. It's not like I don't have my own baggage. :P

It'd be great if more of the nice guys would come around, rather than the ones that make my stomach feel like I've eaten a steel ball for dinner. ::)

{edited to change the last sentence and add another one.}


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by unclejohn on 24 Mar, 2009, 5:16am


24 Mar, 2009, 2:10am, dove wrote:
And for some strange reason, every time I try to write something in your thread, I get visitors. :P

They don't make me feel like a teddy bear--all soft and warm... ;)

I just wonder why they come around when I am merely replying to your posts? I perceive that they don't want you to have contact with me (or anyone else, for that matter). I guess they are a little possessive of you. ???


Uncle John here: I've noticed in the past that hidden influences interfere with my reaching out to others.

I've reached out to fore and if he chooses not to respond then that is acceptable to me.

I'm still waiting for fore's response to my last post, but if there are none, then not to worry, it is not going to change my opinion of fore being a nice person.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by mudhog92 on 24 Mar, 2009, 5:49am

I have read this forum in it's entirety in a few days, I find another's reality experience fascinating, though not close to my journey at all. I have a fascination with topics like this, spent years studying and reading but personally have little experience. My utmost respect to those of you that share your experiences and fears. I know I am an old soul and have been gaining knowledge about what is really our reality and the soon to come events that will cause even those that are asleep to awaken, many too late I feel. We agreed to come here though....I have had past lives off this world, but now my mission is very Gaia based. Not sure about all of it yet as it is still unfolding. I have a friend that has open ET contact who believes the negative self serving off worlders are being withdrawn by the others that are here to help us evolve on our own, the way it's supposed to unfold for our benefit. No giving the kiddies matches. Supervising without interfering so we don't burn down the house! Maybe that helps to explain some of the 'males' withdrawl. It might be time for you to work on your own spirit rather than getting tested. I hope 1% of this helps someone. We're all in this together, live in the light, live in love.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by colquitt on 24 Mar, 2009, 6:35am

Thanks for the thorough reply, Fore. I would love to reply in response to your direct quotes, but I'm kind of an internet idiot. Never got the hang of the scripting madness.

Firstly, and completely random, have you ever watched LOST? I only ask because it's great, and a lot of the ruminations of your reply reminded me of the basic themes that are prevalent in the series; light and dark, free will and fate- hell, even TIME TRAVEL. Awesome show, and I hate television.

In response to your thoughts on the current moral state of species, I gotta say you should give us some credit. There are so many factors that predicate behavior, but I think all things considered, we're getting there. It's kind of hard to really even argue though. I mean the mass public are forced to jump through hoops in this ridiculous system we call the modern world. I think deep in our hearts, we all know that this current system isn't working, but there isn't much that can be done as they really have us by the short and curlies. Sure, you can live off the grid in seclusion, but the greatness of our species is our ability to network and thrive as one organism. So dropping out and spacing out goes nowhere.

I mean really, I walk around out there and I just see a mass of the severely disconnected, zombies walking around with purpose but without any sort of meaning.

A nation of strangers trying to avoid one another.

Yes, there is crime. Yes there are bad things that happen seemingly at random. But considering the unnecessary stresses of the game we have to play, I'm honestly surprised the world hasn't erupted into cutthroat madness and hysteria already. I mean we are all walking psychic wounds, but that's because we all know that we are not meant to exist this way... and that lashes out in every which way possible.

I think if you pull away the giant hamster wheels of civilization, and we all sort of notice that this isn't the only way to do this whole existence thing, we'll come around.

Things are definitely going to get worse before they get better... but my point is, THEY HAVE TO GET BETTER. I'm not going to raise a kid to believe that this world cannot get any better. I am going to be a father and hopefully add a bit of positivity and hope into this world. I don't care if that kid has to live in a post-apocalyptic wasteland, he or she is going to want to make it better.

That's what we humans do. At least, that's what we'd like to be doing, I think. Circumstances, and all that.

PS: I'm not a hippie, I swear. Quite the opposite actually. I want action.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 24 Mar, 2009, 9:15am

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Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 24 Mar, 2009, 12:44pm

The oddest thing about Fore's thread here is that I only needed to read it to get a visit from an alien team.

Now, when you think about it, that implies that merely reading the thread causes your brain to match a certain sequence of thoughts, and that someone is watching for that pattern.

As it is I'm currently preparing for bad things to happen in the coming years, and have already acquired an extensive set of protective kit. Now just need to order in medical supplies etc.

Paranoid? Not really, bad things can happen at any time, and having the equipment and supplies to survive for a while after any type of disaster is merely being prudent.

Another really odd thing, I've started running into piles more sensitive individuals since the visit, and am currently doing research with them.

Again, thanks for writing this Fore, its really helping me get some things underway, and the more training tips included, the better :)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by bostova on 24 Mar, 2009, 12:57pm


24 Mar, 2009, 1:48am, dove wrote:

I've also had several feelings of a type of deja vu, but not in the classic sense. I feel like I'm in a time loop; that some of the things that have happened lately are just a rehash, or I'm just remembering something that's already occured.

I guess that's what deja vu is, but this seems different. Like an extended version, not some quick flash lasting a couple seconds. I just feel like I remember doing portions of the past few months before now.


I've had this to happen lately. The strangest thing is knowing what will happen next in the deja vu experience.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 24 Mar, 2009, 8:44pm


24 Mar, 2009, 5:16am, unclejohn wrote:
Uncle John here: I've noticed in the past that hidden influences interfere with my reaching out to others.

I've reached out to fore and if he chooses not to respond then that is acceptable to me.

I'm still waiting for fore's response to my last post, but if there are none, then not to worry, it is not going to change my opinion of fore being a nice person.


I wouldn't take it personal, Uncle John. If I remember correctly, Fore is heavily guarded by his contacts. They don't want him to communicate with very many people--not that he follows their advice all the time. ;)

There are consequences that he and the other person have to deal with if he decides to allow someone to ping him. Or if he gets pinged unintentionally... :)

He's a very busy guy and so he isn't always able to respond to everyone that writes him. And well, sometimes he gets issued warnings if he talks to certain people or tries to write about taboo subjects. :P

{edited to remove a period from the end of the first smilie. Didn't want her to have PMS. ;D}
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by colquitt on 24 Mar, 2009, 9:40pm


24 Mar, 2009, 12:57pm, bostova wrote:

24 Mar, 2009, 1:48am, dove wrote:

I've also had several feelings of a type of deja vu, but not in the classic sense. I feel like I'm in a time loop; that some of the things that have happened lately are just a rehash, or I'm just remembering something that's already occured.

I guess that's what deja vu is, but this seems different. Like an extended version, not some quick flash lasting a couple seconds. I just feel like I remember doing portions of the past few months before now.



I've had this to happen lately. The strangest thing is knowing what will happen next in the deja vu experience.


Our perception of time definitely seems to be altering in some way, at the very least from my personal perspective, it feels like existence itself seems to be accelerating. It almost feels like the past twenty years have been a refresher course on human civilization compacted into cliff-notes. Deja Vu seems to happen on a weekly basis, wheras it used to happen once every couple years- then it went to monthly, and I have no doubt that at some point in the near future it will become daily... perhaps later, permanent?

My theory is that our psyches are just trying to catch up with our technology, which continues to develop at a clip pace. I subscribe to the notion that all things are interconnected and when one aspect of the nexus gets too far ahead of itself, the rest of everything reacts to compensate.

However, it is possible that in the evolutionary sphere, we're due for a jump, and all of this perceptional interference is just the slow build to a new frequency... which is what I actually hope.

Fore, do you have any input on this strange particular anomaly of "The Quickening"?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 25 Mar, 2009, 4:08am


24 Mar, 2009, 6:35am, colquitt wrote:
Thanks for the thorough reply, Fore. I would love to reply in response to your direct quotes, but I'm kind of an internet idiot. Never got the hang of the scripting madness.


I know, it's a pain sometimes.


24 Mar, 2009, 6:35am, colquitt wrote:
Firstly, and completely random, have you ever watched LOST? I only ask because it's great, and a lot of the ruminations of your reply reminded me of the basic themes that are prevalent in the series; light and dark, free will and fate- hell, even TIME TRAVEL. Awesome show, and I hate television.


I haven't watched lost since about season 2. I have watched a small part of season 3 but I don't watch much TV anymore.

Almost all of the stuff I talk about has little or nothing to do with third party sources in case your wondering. It's purely from my experiences with this ET group of mine and the strangers who sometimes show up over the years.


24 Mar, 2009, 6:35am, colquitt wrote:
In response to your thoughts on the current moral state of species, I gotta say you should give us some credit. There are so many factors that predicate behavior, but I think all things considered, we're getting there. It's kind of hard to really even argue though. I mean the mass public are forced to jump through hoops in this ridiculous system we call the modern world. I think deep in our hearts, we all know that this current system isn't working, but there isn't much that can be done as they really have us by the short and curlies. Sure, you can live off the grid in seclusion, but the greatness of our species is our ability to network and thrive as one organism. So dropping out and spacing out goes nowhere.
Totally agree. Alot of fundamentals have to change.


24 Mar, 2009, 6:35am, colquitt wrote:
I mean really, I walk around out there and I just see a mass of the severely disconnected, zombies walking around with purpose but without any sort of meaning.

A nation of strangers trying to avoid one another.
<Sign> Yeah I know what you mean. It's kind of sad too.


24 Mar, 2009, 6:35am, colquitt wrote:
Yes, there is crime. Yes there are bad things that happen seemingly at random. But considering the unnecessary stresses of the game we have to play, I'm honestly surprised the world hasn't erupted into cutthroat madness and hysteria already. I mean we are all walking psychic wounds, but that's because we all know that we are not meant to exist this way... and that lashes out in every which way possible.
I agree again.


24 Mar, 2009, 6:35am, colquitt wrote:
I think if you pull away the giant hamster wheels of civilization, and we all sort of notice that this isn't the only way to do this whole existence thing, we'll come around.
We agree again.


24 Mar, 2009, 6:35am, colquitt wrote:
Things are definitely going to get worse before they get better... but my point is, THEY HAVE TO GET BETTER. I'm not going to raise a kid to believe that this world cannot get any better. I am going to be a father and hopefully add a bit of positivity and hope into this world. I don't care if that kid has to live in a post-apocalyptic wasteland, he or she is going to want to make it better.

That's what we humans do. At least, that's what we'd like to be doing, I think. Circumstances, and all that.

PS: I'm not a hippie, I swear. Quite the opposite actually. I want action.
I hope you have many children who get raised by you. They have a great father with them and an incredibly intelligent one.

I hope you get cloned, LOL.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 25 Mar, 2009, 4:21am


24 Mar, 2009, 12:44pm, pontificator wrote:
The oddest thing about Fore's thread here is that I only needed to read it to get a visit from an alien team.
Did anything happen?


24 Mar, 2009, 12:44pm, pontificator wrote:
Now, when you think about it, that implies that merely reading the thread causes your brain to match a certain sequence of thoughts, and that someone is watching for that pattern.


Well, not exactly. Unconsciously people tend to focus in on a subject matter. Like for example if you have read me droning on and on about the advisor, if you are even slightly psychic, you will unconsciously project some emanations at them.

The abstract idea of the advisor causes your mind and your psi abilities to potentially target the individuals who are being spoken of. On the off chance that you do connect with anything you'll obviously be scanned mentally and probably be noted and who knows what happens then.

Now if your thinking day and night about what I write and some ET sitting on his butt in a space craft is doing nothing important other than causally reading over the minds of the individuals down below at random.

What would they do if they came across an individual with various elements of thoughts that have something to do with them? What if your thinking about several key elements that are true from my story?

I bet you'll get at minimum a silent inspection if your lucky. If your not, then they will probably take a look on a night where they might not have anything to do. Or maybe not.

===============================

In either case, I have gotten ET strangers who's type I do not recognize. They come around over here and look around for a short time and then leave. (I suppose once their curiosity is satisfied.)

I suppose some of them come from individuals on the forum whom never do sign up or even participate. A few ET's have directed thoughts at me that very clearly outlines that.

Some of them don't respond to my question about who they are or where they come from. Especially the human-like variants. For some odd reason, alot of them answer back with a mental smile-like sensation.

I have noticed that over many years. I wonder if it is a custom or something?


24 Mar, 2009, 12:44pm, pontificator wrote:
As it is I'm currently preparing for bad things to happen in the coming years, and have already acquired an extensive set of protective kit. Now just need to order in medical supplies etc.

Paranoid? Not really, bad things can happen at any time, and having the equipment and supplies to survive for a while after any type of disaster is merely being prudent.
Good for you. Better prudent than unprepared.


24 Mar, 2009, 12:44pm, pontificator wrote:
Another really odd thing, I've started running into piles more sensitive individuals since the visit, and am currently doing research with them.
Could you tell me more about this?


24 Mar, 2009, 12:44pm, pontificator wrote:
Again, thanks for writing this Fore, its really helping me get some things underway, and the more training tips included, the better :)


Your welcome. Can I ask what your prior history is with ET life? (if any?)

I'd like to start building an idea of why some are interesting to "them" and why some aren't.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 25 Mar, 2009, 4:51am


24 Mar, 2009, 1:48am, dove wrote:

23 Mar, 2009, 8:17am, fore wrote:

One thing I would like to say in her defense though. She did say a long time ago to me, that as long as people are separated in time from the events she was describing. They would seem to be "surreal".

The more the world merges with that extremely probable future, the more "real" it is to those experiencing it.


This is really interesting...

My days have felt very surreal lately--just the past month or so. Sometimes I have a hard time believing that I'm even here, or that any of this stuff is happening to me.

Does that mean that I am veering away from the probable future? If so, that would be sweet, since the the current one is not looking so great. :P
No, it just means that your experiencing something which is making your mind reel from the experience.

Whatever your experiencing is probably taxing your ability to deal with whatever it is.

I know that at the height of my ET and paranormal encounters I started (err more like continued) to question my sanity. I was well aware that these things are not common but I couldn't really resolve why they were happening to me.

Over time the advisor helped me cope with the issues. And helped me understand what I was looking at and teaching me coping mechanisms to deal with the occurrences.


24 Mar, 2009, 1:48am, dove wrote:
I've also had several feelings of a type of deja vu, but not in the classic sense. I feel like I'm in a time loop; that some of the things that have happened lately are just a rehash, or I'm just remembering something that's already occured.

I guess that's what deja vu is, but this seems different. Like an extended version, not some quick flash lasting a couple seconds. I just feel like I remember doing portions of the past few months before now.


It's probably this that is causing you to feel like your living something surreal.

I know that standard deja vu is only a moment.

I have also experienced a span of time where I felt...not right. For about a year and a half I often caught myself internally refering to "these events" transpiring around me as a repeat.

It wasn't just a sensation or some heightened pre-cognition ability. I was well aware of the way the day was supposed to go and it was only reaffirmed when it went exactly as I knew it should go.

I began to feel like I was trapped in a repeating sequence of events. What further disturbed me silently was that I recalled everything as if it were old. Catching myself making statements in myself as if "oh no, I am reliving this terrible time in my past again".

As if part of my consciousness was from a future me who was somehow transplanted in the past. As absurd as that sounds to anyone.....imagine how absurd it sounds to me saying it.

But it's as if someone took an older me in the future and took it into the past and transplanted it over a younger me. I felt like everything was repeating in that period of time. Life was repeating like watching an old movie. And it went beyond "a feeling" as I had total recall of future events.

I started playing mini-games with myself as if I were an actor in a repeating play. And standing in different positions knowing exactly what was next to transpire. At some point I even felt like I had a ?second chance? to rewrite the way the play turns out.

I was rather young though. Had I been older I would have worried more about it.

Then just as it had one day started. One day it ended and everything went back to normal.

================================================

To this day, I assume I was unknowingly subjected to some kind of experiment by either the advisor or more likely the grey males.

@ Garuda

Do you know of any other stories like this?





24 Mar, 2009, 1:48am, dove wrote:
The weirdest part comes in the form of a clue, found on my fingertips. I'm in the school of service (imagine that ::)), having a greater number of whorls on my fingers than any other pattern. According to the engraving of my fingerprints and how they are arranged on my hand, my life purpose is to be the pioneer, forging a different path--using uncoventional ways. My life lesson is for me to be able to break the failure cycle and create results in the world that I can see.

Perhaps I'm changing the future? :P
I don't know about palm reading. But I don't pay it much mind.

I don't believe much that your hands dictate your future in any way.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 25 Mar, 2009, 5:18am

Fore, that happened to me once. However, it was never an all day thing or continuous, but in spurts. Like, a random moment, I would know exactly what was happening and remember feeling at some point like it was a play or something I could control.

*whenever I post in here I get the strange sensation that I'm being watched. Do you ever get attacked and how do you deal with it, Fore?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by quarian on 25 Mar, 2009, 6:09am


25 Mar, 2009, 5:18am, dreamoftheiris wrote:


*whenever I post in here I get the strange sensation that I'm being watched. Do you ever get attacked and how do you deal with it, Fore?


Dreamoftheiris: This has been similar to my experience . When I first read Fore's epic thread, I had an experience where it felt as if some sort of conscious energy was reaching out through my laptop screen to check me out. I am pretty sensitive to energies, but this felt so palpable that I literally reached out to touch it.... I hadn't posted about but I've noticed a couple recent comments about odd things related to reading this thread.

Fore: I have appreciated your posts on tips to increase awareness, etc. and look forward to more. Lately, I've felt very melancholy and vulnerable to "stuff". Usually, when I feel this way, I start to back off from the internet and reading about these topics. I'll be back at it when I'm feeling better, though.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 25 Mar, 2009, 7:50am

[quote author=fore board=research thread=1953 post=170046 time=1237946884
I hope you get cloned, LOL.[/quote]
Wow lol
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 25 Mar, 2009, 8:04am


25 Mar, 2009, 4:51am, fore wrote:

24 Mar, 2009, 1:48am, dove wrote:


This is really interesting...

My days have felt very surreal lately--just the past month or so. Sometimes I have a hard time believing that I'm even here, or that any of this stuff is happening to me.

Does that mean that I am veering away from the probable future? If so, that would be sweet, since the the current one is not looking so great. :P


No, it just means that your experiencing something which is making your mind reel from the experience.

Whatever your experiencing is probably taxing your ability to deal with whatever it is.

I know that at the height of my ET and paranormal encounters I started (err more like continued) to question my sanity. I was well aware that these things are not common but I couldn't really resolve why they were happening to me.

Over time the advisor helped me cope with the issues. And helped me understand what I was looking at and teaching me coping mechanisms to deal with the occurrences.


That makes sense, and it feels like what's happening. Although I'd still like to think that I'm merging onto a more positive timeline. 8-)



Quote:
It's probably this that is causing you to feel like your living something surreal.

I know that standard deja vu is only a moment.

I have also experienced a span of time where I felt...not right. For about a year and a half I often caught myself internally refering to "these events" transpiring around me as a repeat.

It wasn't just a sensation or some heightened pre-cognition ability. I was well aware of the way the day was supposed to go and it was only reaffirmed when it went exactly as I knew it should go.

I began to feel like I was trapped in a repeating sequence of events. What further disturbed me silently was that I recalled everything as if it were old. Catching myself making statements in myself as if "oh no, I am reliving this terrible time in my past again".


There are several reasons for the surrealness I am experiencing, and I suppose the extended deja vu is part of it. I've never had it to the extent that you are describing, thankfully. That would have me really worried. :P

Another reason I am feeling this way is because my mind is expanding and I'm becoming more sensitive to psi stuff, like people pinging me. It makes me feel like I'm not here fully. It's like I'm living most of my time in a different state of mind, and occasionally I have to come back down to this plane of existence in order to do RL stuff like eat or converse with my family.

I also have been having a lot of company, with scanning being the norm for me lately. This makes my head feel like it's being pressed and pulled on. Then on top of it, I have been dealing with psi attacks and that also affects me with bodily sensations.

There is one other thing that is making me feel like things are surreal. In the past month or more, whenever I wake up in the morning, I keep having extended periods of time where my mind is fuzzy or heavy. Like I've been drugged during the night, or like someone is checking on me first thing in the morning and I get a light-headed pulling feeling in my head.

The last time I felt this way on a regular basis like I am now was when I was put on a prescription anti-depressant that knocked me out like a light. I always felt drugged the next morning, not able to shake it off. I was happy to be off those things. I didn't like how they made me feel.


Quote:
As if part of my consciousness was from a future me who was somehow transplanted in the past. As absurd as that sounds to anyone.....imagine how absurd it sounds to me saying it.

But it's as if someone took an older me in the future and took it into the past and transplanted it over a younger me. I felt like everything was repeating in that period of time. Life was repeating like watching an old movie. And it went beyond "a feeling" as I had total recall of future events.


This doesn't sound too absurd. I kind of get the feeling that our higher selves are merely our future selves.



Quote:

24 Mar, 2009, 12:44pm, pontificator wrote:
The weirdest part comes in the form of a clue, found on my fingertips. I'm in the school of service (imagine that ::)), having a greater number of whorls on my fingers than any other pattern. According to the engraving of my fingerprints and how they are arranged on my hand, my life purpose is to be the pioneer, forging a different path--using uncoventional ways. My life lesson is for me to be able to break the failure cycle and create results in the world that I can see.

Perhaps I'm changing the future? :P


I don't know about palm reading. But I don't pay it much mind.

I don't believe much that your hands dictate your future in any way.


You're not alone. Most people don't pay any attention to this aspect of our physiology. ;)

It's okay, though. I know it means something... ;D

I don't believe that you can read a person's future in their palm, per se--in the way you're thinking--although sometimes you *can* see things that have happened to them, or will happen, in accordance to their genetic blueprint.

You carry your identification card in the palms of your hands, whether you believe this to be true or not. It's like visible DNA, which of course determines things like your medical condition and your personality.

The current research on palmistry leaves a lot to be desired, IMO. It is far from complete. I would love to see more studies done on the subject. However, I can almost guarantee you that I could study your hands and be able to tell you things about yourself that I have no way of knowing, as though I had read your mind (but I can't do that yet :P ). :D ;)

~~~

BTW, I'm sure you didn't mean to use Pontificator's name when quoting me. ;)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 25 Mar, 2009, 8:10am


25 Mar, 2009, 5:18am, dreamoftheiris wrote:

*whenever I post in here I get the strange sensation that I'm being watched. Do you ever get attacked and how do you deal with it, Fore?


I feel watched most of the time when I am posting here. I've also gotten attacked when replying to posts or trying to create my own. ::)

The one way to deal with it is to learn how to defend yourself. Once you can protect yourself or fight back, it levels the playing ground. That means you're not so much fun to them anymore. Eventually they'll leave you alone. ;)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 25 Mar, 2009, 9:29am

Woops, you jinxed me on the scripting stuff! :D

I just corrected it. ;)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 25 Mar, 2009, 11:20am

Hehehe... ;D

It wasn't me...Colquitt jinxed you. ;)

{dove points finger >} :D

I just brought it to your attention... :P
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by colquitt on 25 Mar, 2009, 4:22pm

I will 100% take the blame and be the scapegoat for everyone's scripting snafus.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 25 Mar, 2009, 7:24pm


25 Mar, 2009, 4:22pm, colquitt wrote:
I will 100% take the blame and be the scapegoat for everyone's scripting snafus.


Good man, Colquitt. :)

Keep up the good work. ;)

I may need your services at some point. I never know when I'm going to have snafu. ;D

{I just wanted to say that word... :P}


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 26 Mar, 2009, 1:11pm

I'll reply in-line with the quote as its quite late right now my end.


25 Mar, 2009, 4:21am, fore wrote:

24 Mar, 2009, 12:44pm, pontificator wrote:
The oddest thing about Fore's thread here is that I only needed to read it to get a visit from an alien team.
Did anything happen?

I have a [ very confused ] reply much earlier in the thread with a lot of details ( best list my posts for those interested ), but essentially yes. I woke up to find a grey "looking" at me, while I was flat out, but I was really more puzzled until I realized it was leaning over from behind me, and I was looking at it upside down [ I only saw it from the top of where the nose would normally be and up ].
It went out of view [ the area around the eyes moved wider, so I'm not 100% sure if I was supposed to wake up ] after about 1.7 seconds.
Anyway, I waited and did not move, mainly because I was super excited and making sure that I was not going to go lashing out or anything ridiculous [ I really don't want to hurt anything ].
Next thing I know a voice [ male ] sounds in my mind saying my name, now this voice was truely awesome as it was totally clear.

A few moments later... I kept looking up waiting for orders, not knowing it was not the grey that had spoken to me, and then it said "I am here" [ I believe that it expected me to look in its direction immediately the first time it spoke ].

So, I look to my right expecting a grey of some description, and instead I'm super puzzled when I see this glowing orange being that has these amazingly round eyes [ black ] looking in my direction [ it had had this odd notch in its brow ridge above the eye area, I've debated since whether or not it could put its eyes on stalks... ].

Now, I get this overwhelming emotion of honour when looking at this being [ for the record, until that point I have never experienced the emotion of honour, and am not sure if other people feel it as well ], but underlying to that I'm still excited and think that surely this is a projected emotion. Now, I don't know what I did but when I thought that there was a minor jolt like static in my head, as though I had clashed with it [ my suspicion was confirmed at this point ].

I reached out with my right hand, and gently held its arm, making sure not to hurt it... felt much like the surface of an orange/Buddha's hand really.

Debating what question to ask, I dismiss asking its name as Its useless as far as I'm concerned [ and it probably won't tell me anyway ], I finally settle on asking it "what are you?".

Well... now I think on it, it might have been a rather rude question, but that certainly made it look up. It replied in it's cool voice, but along with underlying meaning, "I am the penultimate human form".
At that moment I started feeling intense kinship, and quickly asked another question "and the Greys?".

It had a disappointed feeling in them, saying "They are biological/bio-mechanical machines", and indicated through other feelings that they were limited to purpose.

After that point everything went weird, I assume it gained control of me at that point and put me under. Had a flash of it standing in a corridor etc.

Now, after the first day I was going to bed and noticed some marks on my left thigh, they were very strange. Triangular in pattern one had a small scab and a small hair regrowing from it, while the other two were two holes of 2mm diameter and roughly 1.5 mm deep. Those two looked like a belly button in miniature really, as though something had plunged in pulling the skin into a pit. These were completely gone within 48 hours of the incident. I did not get a photo, and I believe I was compelled not to.

So, my conclusion is that a lot was going on, but I am not aware of it because it was buried.


Well, not exactly. Unconsciously people tend to focus in on a subject matter. Like for example if you have read me droning on and on about the advisor, if you are even slightly psychic, you will unconsciously project some emanations at them.

The abstract idea of the advisor causes your mind and your psi abilities to potentially target the individuals who are being spoken of. On the off chance that you do connect with anything you'll obviously be scanned mentally and probably be noted and who knows what happens then.

Now if your thinking day and night about what I write and some ET sitting on his butt in a space craft is doing nothing important other than causally reading over the minds of the individuals down below at random.

What would they do if they came across an individual with various elements of thoughts that have something to do with them? What if your thinking about several key elements that are true from my story?

I bet you'll get at minimum a silent inspection if your lucky. If your not, then they will probably take a look on a night where they might not have anything to do. Or maybe not.

===============================

In either case, I have gotten ET strangers who's type I do not recognize. They come around over here and look around for a short time and then leave. (I suppose once their curiosity is satisfied.)

I suppose some of them come from individuals on the forum whom never do sign up or even participate. A few ET's have directed thoughts at me that very clearly outlines that.

Some of them don't respond to my question about who they are or where they come from. Especially the human-like variants. For some odd reason, alot of them answer back with a mental smile-like sensation.

I have noticed that over many years. I wonder if it is a custom or something?

Good for you. Better prudent than unprepared.

Could you tell me more about this?

I was going to say a bit more about one of the boys, but I realized that he could be identified. He simply has random precognitive abilities where he sees future events through the eyes of people who intend him harm, and essentially what they will do from their perspective. He also gets visited randomly by a being that messes around with this ability, detrimentally to him. He is one of those children who survived when he should have not.

Another individual is a boy who has a fair amount of interesting abilities, but they are slowly destroying his body. He has the ability to see the dead, or perhaps those who psychically watch, when he closes his eyes. Additionally he has precognitive abilities that activate in his sleep, which I'm going to direct a little in order to plan ahead. He also has access to a biological encyclopaedia, but this exhausts him quite quickly. Since I came into contact with him he has also activated a few other abilities concerning recall, and has recently experienced total recall of events while concious. I have only just started my research [literally two sessions], and I believe that he will be quite helpful until he dies from a brain tumour in 2016 [ according to his precognitive abilities, the docs believe he may have it now ].



24 Mar, 2009, 12:44pm, pontificator wrote:
Again, thanks for writing this Fore, its really helping me get some things underway, and the more training tips included, the better :)


Your welcome. Can I ask what your prior history is with ET life? (if any?)

Unknown, but I suspect I was visited by something when I was five, very dark being that one [totally black, very nasty, and had eyes with a white double iris that rotated in separate directions { I believe its either very dead or very frightened after the last time it invaded one of my dreams }, that accursed thing badgered me for over 16 years ]. I also inherited some of my abilities from my mother; detect the future guaranteed death of a being in an area, detect theft against my person plus one I've only had the opportunity to test once, and that is also concerning detecting violent death and prior thoughts of the victim. They are all incredibly useless... Additionally I have lost the ability to fear since I was hit by a car last year [ while crossing zebra crossing, truely lovely blonde driving, and no I did not hit my head ], nothing scares me any more


I'd like to start building an idea of why some are interesting to "them" and why some aren't.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 26 Mar, 2009, 7:00pm


Quote:

Unknown, but I suspect I was visited by something when I was five, very dark being that one [totally black, very nasty, and had eyes with a white double iris that rotated in separate directions { I believe its either very dead or very frightened after the last time it invaded one of my dreams }, that accursed thing badgered me for over 16 years ]. I also inherited some of my abilities from my mother; detect the future guaranteed death of a being in an area, detect theft against my person plus one I've only had the opportunity to test once, and that is also concerning detecting violent death and prior thoughts of the victim. They are all incredibly useless... Additionally I have lost the ability to fear since I was hit by a car last year [ while crossing zebra crossing, truely lovely blonde driving, and no I did not hit my head ], nothing scares me any more


Would you agree that this being mad you stronger?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 27 Mar, 2009, 10:24am

Disagree, I was much more fragile during my life before I got rid of it. After it was gone things have gone much better.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by guyjames on 27 Mar, 2009, 4:03pm

I never had an interest in UFOs until the night a few years ago when my girlfriend and I had a very clear sighting at a park near a large bridge in upstate New York in the lower Hudson Valley, which I've learned has been quite a hotbed of UFO activity in the past.
My girlfriend is my wife now, but she still refuses to talk about it. I must admit that I was also pretty shaken by the experience.
This wasn't just a light in the sky.....the craft was illuminated by bright bridge lights, so there was no doubt what it was. And there was no sound or any obvious conventional means of propulsion.
It moved very slowly across the river towards us, but then changed direction about midway across and went slowly away from us.
The disk looked like one of those classic saucers in the movies. If I ever wished that I had a camera in the car, that was the night.
Ever since, I've been searching for a definitive explaination for what's going on. The more I learn about the possibilities, i.e. genetic experiments, the more depressed I get. It's like, be careful what you ask for.
Is it true that there's a number of alien species who have agendas here? I've heard that one species is actually us, 45,000 years in the future.
What about the claims that there are black-ops people who have been working with one of the species, and that many sightings are reverse-engineered ARVs, (Alien Reproduction Vehicles,) that are piloted by humans?
There seems to be a lot of misinformation and maybe even a deliberate dis-information campaign by "whoever," designed to keep us confused.
Although I've been to many sites on the web, I'm interested in hearing what people have to say in this forum and maybe some links that could be helpful.
Thanks in advance.....

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by stal on 27 Mar, 2009, 5:46pm

emotion is a tool.

fear condensed into panic is an invaluable addition to your arsenal.

a few seconds of blind panic gives you time to build.

time for one of my crappy pop-culture references.

you know the manga 'dragonball z'?

when the 'bad' aiens come to fight the earth heroes, they have a device that reads the power level of the human warriors. the humans, and goku, always seem to be very weak, untill they are beaten, bashed, and insulted. at which point they power up, and far exceed the capibilities of the 'alien' devices.

sorry for the bad expo, but if you have ever seen it, you will get it.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by jinx22 on 28 Mar, 2009, 2:38pm

Hello Fore, thank you for sharing these experiences. :) This thread is very interesting.

I have one question for you. What do you think of the billy meier case? I'm sorry if this question has been asked. Thanx...
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 28 Mar, 2009, 2:52pm


27 Mar, 2009, 5:46pm, stal wrote:
emotion is a tool.

fear condensed into panic is an invaluable addition to your arsenal.

a few seconds of blind panic gives you time to build.

time for one of my crappy pop-culture references.

you know the manga 'dragonball z'?

when the 'bad' aiens come to fight the earth heroes, they have a device that reads the power level of the human warriors. the humans, and goku, always seem to be very weak, untill they are beaten, bashed, and insulted. at which point they power up, and far exceed the capibilities of the 'alien' devices.

sorry for the bad expo, but if you have ever seen it, you will get it.


It's actually a pretty good reference, as it makes total sense to me.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 30 Mar, 2009, 8:05am


27 Mar, 2009, 5:46pm, stal wrote:
emotion is a tool.

fear condensed into panic is an invaluable addition to your arsenal.
Definitely not how I see it.


27 Mar, 2009, 5:46pm, stal wrote:
a few seconds of blind panic gives you time to build.


Could you probably use panic to throw a monkey wrench in their activities? Probably.

But long before then, you'd already be paralyzed and under control. It's probably why they sneak up on you when your asleep.

Or put you to sleep before they get closer to you in the first place.


27 Mar, 2009, 5:46pm, stal wrote:
time for one of my crappy pop-culture references.

you know the manga 'dragonball z'?
Yep.


27 Mar, 2009, 5:46pm, stal wrote:
when the 'bad' aiens come to fight the earth heroes, they have a device that reads the power level of the human warriors. the humans, and goku, always seem to be very weak, untill they are beaten, bashed, and insulted. at which point they power up, and far exceed the capibilities of the 'alien' devices.

sorry for the bad expo, but if you have ever seen it, you will get it.
Not exactly something that bears a resemblance to actual reality as far as I know.

For example, I estimate the grey males could exert roughly three times my maximum level of influence on the environment. The advisor even higher than that.

It's amazing how much fine control they have over their abilities. And how they don't exert a large level of force considering what they could use on an individual.

Alot of them, I noticed over the years, are "holding back" when they use their abilities on me.

So in a matter of brute force a human being will probably always lose. That interesting point being they don't seem to exert the maximum within their capability.

I am confident when I say they would probably hurt you if they did.

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The point is, your not going to "beat" them on brute force. The goal is to throw a monkey wrench into the works. When they are abducting you, the point is to delay and hope they follow through with their protocols.

They can probably do alot. But they don't seem to...*IF*...you pay close attention to some of the recounted abductions people tell on the board and through various links they post.

So brute force is not the goal. It is disruption and education of their skills and how they work and what you can do to prevent it from being easy for them.

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For example, say your lucky enough to keep them from paralyzing you on the first attempt. They may back away from view and try again. (as they did with me)

The "leader" of the "abduction team" was a grey who was taller than the males. His/Her/It's body was bigger and taller. It's head was incredibly big!

Anyway, it kept trying to induce me into sleep.

When I kept resisting it (because I was forewarned years earlier by the advisor) it just turned up the level of force being applied to get me to sleep.

When everything failed, they and I stood there that night. I pacing back and forth in a mild panic wondering what I should do and being short sighted in not realizing why I couldn't wake anyone up no matter how hard I tried.

The "leader" of the abduction squad could not convince me with it's psychic tricks to lay down and sleep. It got nothing done and we just had a standoff.

I knew the advisor said the entities were sensitive to radiation. And that they supposedly had a window of opportunity to perform their abductions.

So I waited, for what must have been two hours or so. (I don't recall specifically how long right this second) I simply kept pacing about trying my darnedest to stay awake while the taller one tried talking to me.

I did have myself in a pickle that night.

But I knew while they were in a phased out state they would not really be able to do anything, and if they had been willing to do something more direct, then they would have.

Sunrise was coming quick. And as expected and as the advisor had taught me, the "leader" of the abduction team called it a night and the males moved away to return to their craft or whatever they came in.

When the males started hauling butt towards the wall where the "leader" was standing. I sensed as they ran right through the solid wall and apparently tripped over a ladder that was just outside the window and propped against a tree on the other side of the wall.

The sudden noise surprised me a bit.

But when they left I waited a couple of hours wondering if I had just seen what I had seen.

To this day I do keep wondering why they didn't just reach out and grab me or something. I do not understand why they impose such restrictions on themselves.

Whatever the reason, I won that night. Not because of brute force but because of education about abduction procedures. Knowing how they operate and what they are prone to do helps a great deal.

Not having that knowledge could have made the night go differently.

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You can't compete in psychic output. That's pretty much impossible unless your some person with crazy psychic skills.

But if they restrain themselves and they aren't out to lunge at you when their psi abilities won't work effectively, then you have bought yourself contentious time.

What to do next is up for grabs.

Outwitting the ET's is the name of the game. Knowing what they are willing and aren't willing to do is a significant strategy in knowing what you can do to keep them from doing their job.

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Had they just phased-in and reached out and grabbed me physically. Well...anti-paralysis techniques would not have done much against that.




Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by stal on 30 Mar, 2009, 11:19am

yeah fair enough. i wasnt really suggesting that someone could out-gun one of them in real life. just testing a theory ;) thanks for the reply.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 30 Mar, 2009, 11:46am

Fore~

What you say is quite true.

Your story about fighting off sleep reminds me of my own nightly situation. I've been staying up all night in order to resist.

When they really want me to go to sleep, it's hard to fight. I've had them get low down and dirty with me. If I am blocking their attacks and they are adament, they'll push harder. They don't like it when I scramble the signal. Makes them mad...

They are very strong. Still, I resist. If I am successful in that, then they resort to using the implants to turn off my electrical/nervous system so that I can't move. This is a huge advantage to them, that I have this problem. It's caused either by (or via) the implants or damage to my body. Possible damage to the implants, as well.

They usually come in-between 3 and 4 am. Then sometimes they try again around 6am.

One morning last week I was sitting out here gathering music. I started to feel strange and looked at the clock. It was 3:09. This startled me as I realized it was the witching hour. I immediately went into defense mode, and just as soon as that happened, I was attacked. I had several pains in my left chest and shoulder. It was deliberate so that I couldn't defend myself.

I just bore the pain and blocked as well as I could. Eventually it subsided, but I ended up continuing to block. They lay off after 4am or so.

They definitely consider me to be a wrench thrown in the gears. :P

I'm guessing that since you've only foiled their plans once, that you still get abducted. Do you bother to try and stop it anymore or have you resigned yourself to being taken?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 30 Mar, 2009, 11:48am

Actually, now I think about it, I was excited throughout the experience, but before it most likely gained control that feeling changed to kinship.

Is excitement enough of a confusing state to cause problems with the paralysis and control process?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 4 Apr, 2009, 9:58am

Hey Fore~

Sorry it took me so long to make a proper reply. Strange how I kept getting sidetracked. ::)

This is like the only thread that I have such a hard time with when responding. Well...I guess there's a couple, but this has taken me the longest. :P

I apologize if this is a little discombobulated. I wrote half of it a couple weeks ago, and tonight while trying to finish it I've found it hard to blend what I've written with what's on my mind now. It's a little confusing, even to myself, so I'm really sorry if it's hard to understand. ;)

I take responsibility for some it, but it seems like they find it easy to scramble my thoughts and make me forget things. They also like to make me feel sleepy ::)


17 Mar, 2009, 5:22am, fore wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, dove wrote:

i'm still learning how to differentiate different energies. humans don't make me feel the same way as aliens or demons.


Good, that means you can tell the difference between at least three different kinds of "family" of patterns.

Have you noticed that aliens of the same kind exhibit the same "base pattern" but with different kinds overt expressions?

For example, most ordinary people feel exactly the same at the base. A signature consistent with a human in their psychic influence patterns. But there are differences in some of the "over tones" and "under tones" of their patterns generated from variations in attitude, emotional and mental make up..


To tell the truth, I'm just learning how to sense the different groups of ET. Even that much I am not so great at. Separating their signal out further is beyond me right now. I am still sensing who they are rather than being able to discern an individual pattern.

I can feel the tones of humans more readily that ET. If I really pay attention, they are quite varied--as are aliens, I'm sure. Most of the time I try to keep to myself, but it's getting harder to *not* sense their signature as I walk by them. I suppose that means my empathic skills are getting stronger.

My body is still acting like the indicator to tell me when someone is near. You're going beyond that and using the mind to read their pattern, right? How do I translate that to my mind?

I'm afraid I don't really know what you mean when you say pattern, so I can't answer your question very well. I mean, I know what one is, obviously--I watched bert&ernie when I was a kid. ::)

It's just that I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing or sensing as far as they are concerned. I still don't know how to 'see' a pattern in the sensations that I'm feeling.

It does feel like we have a different 'base pattern' but perhaps I'm too sensitive. Even when neutral or good ET is in my presence, I find that it feels different than human. I guess this is just their "overtone" that I'm sensing? When you say base pattern, are you talking about their soul being the foundation for this?



13 Mar, 2009, 2:32am, dove wrote:


{edit to add: I hadn't read the whole article before I posted it here. Guess I got a little carried away for a minute. It's not exactly what I thought it was going to be; it goes much farther than sensing your own signature. I think Fore is talking more about being able to perceive a specific energy pattern rather than the general signature, but maybe not.

Fore~~

Is there a difference or is this a case of semantics? What do you sense in this pattern? Does it consist of light, color, shape, texture, or sound? Which one of your tactile senses, if any, are you using to retrieve this information? Do you use the same criteria when scanning someone for their signature? Is it basically the same thing? }



16 Mar, 2009, 9:51am, fore wrote:

16 Mar, 2009, 7:39am, unclejohn wrote:


What kind of skill sets are you looking for?

Only love fill.
Well for one, you have to be able to have sensation of your own energy.

Then you have to be able to distinguish the difference between various kinds of patterns.

And lastly you have to understand various basics about what it means to create variations in your own patterns.

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Apparently, some ET's like the Greys have the same kind of limitations as I do. They need to concentrate on a specific energy pattern.




I again have to ask what it is that you are perceiving when you write about these patterns. What is involved in sensing these? Are you using your mind's eye or your physical body to accomplish this? Do you see light patterns or colors? Is there a geometric shape? Sorry for being so dense. I just started learning about psi so I'm a little behind. :P

Another problem I'm having is with the implants--or brain damage--which causes my electrical signal to get dropped. I am having a hard time explaining what I'm talking about with the switching. I tried to explain what happens to Wildmage. Maybe I'll post that part of my pm to him in order for you to see what I'm talking about, if it's okay with him. This electrical problem is complicated...



17 Mar, 2009, 5:22am, fore wrote:

9 Mar, 2009, 6:46am, dove wrote:

i'm sorting it out as i learn how to perceive energy signatures better, but for the most part i can tell when a human is visiting me rather than ET.


Good, thats a good start. Have you ever met an individual who has given off patterns consistent with an ET presence.

[not in intensity, but in likeness]

I am curious about this.


Actually, yes I have. There's a woman who works at the store I patronize that has the feel of ET to me. Well, maybe not ET, but definitely someone that makes me cringe. She is either a very evil human or a negative-type ET wearing a human body.




Quote:

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Mar 9, 2009, 4:46am, dove wrote:sometimes that is bypassed, and i just feel attacked, like when my heart or the center of my back is hurting.


Points along the body where non-physical conduits exist. Usually you'll feel very sore.

Consider this interesting point though in your defense technique. Setting up a psychic "shield" is really putting up a formed manifestation of raw influence.

Further, consider this too, "a shield" is modeled after an effective defense when considering a *physical* weapon.

It is not a very good technique to employ when done improperly. When you consider that you are taking raw influence from different parts of your body (and around it) and forming it into a raw shape at you mental discretion.

You are literally making a shape or form that has little if any defensive properties. For all you know, the entity that is draining you may thank you for collecting a chunk of your patterned influence and putting it out where it can easily be reached.

Rather than some rigid defense, you might be putting out a "big cookie". One with a big sign that says "collect chunks from me".

Bringing out larger doses of influence into the environment is not an incentive for the entity to remove itself from the situation, but rather to stick around for a lot longer to siphon off as much as it can bear to take with it.

Also in forming such a psychic structure you may be increasing your output and that in turn may attract more entities to join in on the feast.

You might not feel bad from using this technique, probably because it's not being taken from the inside of your body but from a potential buffet that you put out in front of yourself in an act of protecting yourself.

You might want to consider learning to turn off your abilities as a reaction to being siphoned by an external presence. Also for being attacked remotely.

It's a simply way to offer protection as it makes the objective to harm you much harder to perform.


So are you saying that it would be better to turn off my defense system instead of making a shield whenever I feel like I'm being attacked?

If not, what kind of shield would you say is best to make instead of one that contains raw influence? How can you not put out some of your influence when making shields?

Do you find the need to shield yourself? How do you make yours, if you do?



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Mar 9, 2009, 4:46am, dove wrote:~~~

now if you're referring to being able to sense my own signature, i've heard that this is important but i don't know exactly what it means. and from what q is saying, he doesn't either. perhaps you could explain how this works. i thought i knew what my own sig feels like, but maybe i don't. i can tell when i'm not the only one in the room. does that count?


Let me think of how to explain this properly.


Okay. Still waiting... :P ;)


16 Mar, 2009, 9:51am, fore wrote:

To test it our you need someone who can perform their own version of the technique and to understand the basic principles it is based on.

If it can be done repeatedly, we can then perform it during live abductions to test it's effectiveness and gather data on how the ET react to it.


Yes, that would be nice--to have someone I trust practice this with me instead of the opposition. ::)


~~~

You never answered a question I had for you several pages back. It's okay if you don't want to respond; I just thought I'd ask again in case you just didn't see it the first time. Anyways, I was asking if you still get abducted. Do you consider it to be abduction? I would guess, since you obviously are not a compliant patient... :D

Is there anything you do to avoid being messed with while you sleep? Do they even try to do things to you now, or have they left you alone?

It seems I've turned into a night owl in order to protect myself (and son) during the witching hour--that time frame they use when trawling about--from 3am to 4am. It's a good thing I need less sleep than I have previously. :P

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Apr, 2009, 7:22am


4 Apr, 2009, 9:58am, dove wrote:
Hey Fore~

Sorry it took me so long to make a proper reply. Strange how I kept getting sidetracked. ::)

This is like the only thread that I have such a hard time with when responding. Well...I guess there's a couple, but this has taken me the longest. :P
>Shrug<


4 Apr, 2009, 9:58am, dove wrote:
I apologize if this is a little discombobulated. I wrote half of it a couple weeks ago, and tonight while trying to finish it I've found it hard to blend what I've written with what's on my mind now. It's a little confusing, even to myself, so I'm really sorry if it's hard to understand. ;)

I take responsibility for some it, but it seems like they find it easy to scramble my thoughts and make me forget things. They also like to make me feel sleepy ::)


17 Mar, 2009, 5:22am, fore wrote:


Good, that means you can tell the difference between at least three different kinds of "family" of patterns.

Have you noticed that aliens of the same kind exhibit the same "base pattern" but with different kinds overt expressions?

For example, most ordinary people feel exactly the same at the base. A signature consistent with a human in their psychic influence patterns. But there are differences in some of the "over tones" and "under tones" of their patterns generated from variations in attitude, emotional and mental make up..


To tell the truth, I'm just learning how to sense the different groups of ET. Even that much I am not so great at. Separating their signal out further is beyond me right now. I am still sensing who they are rather than being able to discern an individual pattern.
It's okay, it takes time and practice. Your brain probably has to adapt to interpreting the information.

Remember, I grew up this way so there might be more flexibility on my end. Some may not be able to ultimately perceive the information in the same way, I guess.

If years pass and you are never able to achieve this, you'll simply have to adapt or cobble together a different perceptual system that allows you a way to experience it in the same way.

Just keep trying and eventually you'll become sensitive enough to tell different entities apart by way of their patterned psychic signatures.




4 Apr, 2009, 9:58am, dove wrote:
I can feel the tones of humans more readily that ET. If I really pay attention, they are quite varied--as are aliens, I'm sure. Most of the time I try to keep to myself, but it's getting harder to *not* sense their signature as I walk by them. I suppose that means my empathic skills are getting stronger.
That sensitivity is a good thing. It'll allow you the ability to resolve different influence types.

That ability to resolve the differences at a nuanced level will allow you to eventually determine slight changes in a perceived psychic pattern. The higher the sensitivity the more you will pick up and the more information you can resolve.

But beware, hypersensitivity seems to strain people to the point that their conscious minds seem to have trouble coping with the uncontrolled influx of information.

It can be tiring and detrimental to your mental health. So one of the key techniques you may want to figure out is how to turn off your sensitivity to your surroundings.

Our minds aren't really made/designed (imo) to take the stress of having to perceive that many nuanced details in our local environment.


4 Apr, 2009, 9:58am, dove wrote:
My body is still acting like the indicator to tell me when someone is near.
How so?


4 Apr, 2009, 9:58am, dove wrote:
You're going beyond that and using the mind to read their pattern, right? How do I translate that to my mind?


This is a topic Ramz and I spoke about at length. There are alot of layers between your conscious mind and your abilities.

I'll explain at length in the next post.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Apr, 2009, 8:14am


4 Apr, 2009, 9:58am, dove wrote:
You're going beyond that and using the mind to read their pattern, right? How do I translate that to my mind?


Say you put an apple in front of you.

Now make two observers. Each with psychic abilities.

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A typical psychic will perceive that apple through various mental interpretations.

(an interpretive construct: something that is realized in a certain fashion)

That means that no two psychic minds will perceive the same object in exactly the same way. There might be slight differences in levels of awareness, brain biology*, changes in interpretive models in use etc.

*Probably why alot of people show up with dyslexia, I am guessing.

The two observers in this case will be you and I for this example.

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While we may both see the apple with both our eyes, our psychic sense will each form a slightly varying perception and sensation in our mind depending on how you set yourself up.

This perception is rendered different without the use of the 5 peripheral senses in an advanced case like mine when my abilities are at 70% to 100%.

While your sense of physical sight will give you approximately a 1 to 1 copy of reality.

Your psychic abilities don't have the luxury of a stable device like an organ in it's function.


I don't have to look at it or be in the room with it to perceive it in space relative to my position.

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Now this is going to get very complicated and you probably won't understand anything in the first go without some significant help.

Perception of patterns is usually a two fold problem (for simplicities sake).

Both controlling your guided focus on the environment, and the interpretive rendition of that information.

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I probably lost you right there.

Basically it means one aspect of your psychic abilities is controlling what you perceive and how much and in what way.

The other is how to make an interpretative rendering.

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Like your eyeballs.

1) You need to be able to direct your focus in an organized way.

2) The other aspect is controlling what you want to know about the object.

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Not everyone makes the same kind of mental-to-psychic constructs to help them use their psychic abilities. Actually I would say the average psychic never does make this bridge of sorts.

They don't seem to be consciously aware of how to do that.

Want a famous rendition of how this is done?

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Here is one, Edgar Cayce and someone more ordinary like NL1.

They *usually* seemed to have compiled the information into an organized interpretive structure to make a sort of perceptual bridge in using their minds and psychic ability together.

(Means: they make a mental representation that makes sense to them.)

This is both targeting (focusing in) and an interpretive sensation of information.

Lets say they really love books. So they discover they have psychic abilities. Now they need "a coherent control console" to help them guide their psychic focus to the right item in question.

Be it an apple or a human being on the other side of the planet.

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Note: I don't know much if anything about edgar casey, so forgive me if I get it wrong.

Say I love books (yuck!), and I want to read the inside of that apple in front of me using ESP (Extra Sensory Perception) and not my 5 senses.

So in my mind, I build a mental construct.

A "grand library".

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In this great library in my mind (the interpretive bridge between raw consciousness and the raw psychic information) I make these books be endless in shelves.

I want to read the book about the apple in front of me.

I go to my mental construct of the great grand library and pull out the one book which in my mind I agree is the one that refers to that specific apple.

(targeting an item with my focus through a mental representation)

Assuming you are properly set up in your mind....

Your psychic abilities will begin using your intention and it will direct you psychic focus onto the apple.

(there are alot of steps and details ommited....)

As I pull the book out of my mental grand library. I suddenly see the cover of the book say "The apple". Ah cool.

Then I open it and inside I see all the blanks filled out.

I see (through this mental construct I invented) an orderly formation of coherent information that my mind is able to resolve and understand.

In the book I can flip through the pages and get into deeper detail of different aspects of the apple. From what is inside the apple in neatly drawn pictures on the pages. To how wide the apple is in inches.

To how fresh it is and how long it has been detached from the tree.

Whatever.

Now when I want to go to sleep, I simply turn off the lights on the mental "grand library" I constructed in my own mind. This library construct serves as a sort of "complex simulation" for the access and organization of all this information.

It is easier for me to allow different aspect(s) of me to filter this information in an orderly fashion so that I can digest it as a book. Rather than it is to figure out what this and that fuzzy pattern means.

================================================

Some like fuzzy patterns that change. Others like books.

Does this mean there is a grand library somewhere?

Nope. Just in my mind.

This technique is using the mind as an interpretive engine on several levels to recompile the information into something you can grasp and understand.

Most ordinary psychics will never really reach this level of interactive usage. (meaning they don't create a sophisticated interpretive bridge consciously)


====================================

Who was that famous guy who made that claim that they met other worldly beings on station 9 or something?

I think Jake mentioned it but I forget the name.

(Part 2 comes next)
EDIT: I had to stop writing because my right arm has inexplicably started hurting sharply. In the morning I will type out the rest.

[Note: To self, write about ET/Human consciousness sharing and VRS simulations]
[Note: Write about externally (ET) induced illusions. And how imagination is used as a simulation of information vs reality + Psi overlays.]
[Note: Write about ET and Human incompatibilities in sharing projection of consciousness. Also about how OBE's may relate to this phenomena.]
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by jakereason on 8 Apr, 2009, 4:35am


Quote:
Who was that famous guy who made that claim that they met other worldly beings on station 9 or something?

I think Jake mentioned it but I forget the name.

I don't recall this fore, so probably not me. Unless "station 9" is the wrong recall flag, because that doesn't ring a bell.

Ohhhh stop the press . . . I just remembered something you may mean. Uri Geller claimed to meet the Council of Nine psychically. Is that it?






Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 8 Apr, 2009, 5:04am


8 Apr, 2009, 4:35am, jakereason wrote:

Quote:
Who was that famous guy who made that claim that they met other worldly beings on station 9 or something?

I think Jake mentioned it but I forget the name.

I don't recall this fore, so probably not me. Unless "station 9" is the wrong recall flag, because that doesn't ring a bell.

Ohhhh stop the press . . . I just remembered something you may mean. Uri Geller claimed to meet the Council of Nine psychically. Is that it?





I believe that may be the one.

Edit: After some searching I was able to find it. Take a look through it and see if you spot any of the elements about what I mention. Right now I am going to give it a good reading and see how much of it I can decode for you guys.

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.c....lay&thread=1910

Thanks Jake!
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by jakereason on 8 Apr, 2009, 5:17am

I don't know much about the Council of Nine. Other then they claim to be of a very high order. Above angels, or head of. Sort of like the often used phrase, 'ancient of ancients'.

From what little I've read, they seem to be quasi similar to the group that Lyricus (of Wingmakers) talks about. But not quite. Lyricus claims Elohim-Source.

Whereas Council of Nine seems slightly lower then them. Some think of them as having Luciferian similarities. (not to be mistaken for lower order demonic though)



Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by jakereason on 8 Apr, 2009, 5:23am


8 Apr, 2009, 5:04am, fore wrote:
Edit: After some searching I was able to find it. Take a look through it and see if you spot any of the elements about what I mention. Right now I am going to give it a good reading and see how much of it I can decode for you guys.

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.c....lay&thread=1910

Thanks Jake!

Hey I forgot about that stuff posted two years ago. I see in one of my posts that I equated them to the Book of Enoch's "sons of god" (*hint*).

I'll re-read up on that too. ;)

Thanks fore!


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by jakereason on 8 Apr, 2009, 6:27am

Just read the channeled quotes from The Council of Nine. here

Even though I copied them, I had not read them all 2 years ago. My opinion has changed.

IF this is a channeled writing, it is not like auto-writing, the channeler's mind (form of thought) has been utilized as a filter. And part of the writer's perception and experience is woven into the selected words and descriptive examples. (so it looks to me)

The advisory content imo is noble and sound. It reminds me more of the channeling that produced "A Course in Miracles", which I give high value to.

Whoa! wasn't expecting that. I got some thinking to do. Need to ask G-d about this.


Thanks Fore, for bringing this up.



Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 8 Apr, 2009, 9:35pm


7 Apr, 2009, 8:14am, fore wrote:

[Note: To self, write about ET/Human consciousness sharing and VRS simulations]
[Note: Write about externally (ET) induced illusions. And how imagination is used as a simulation of information vs reality + Psi overlays.]
[Note: Write about ET and Human incompatibilities in sharing projection of consciousness. Also about how OBE's may relate to this phenomena.]


I've been wondering about the first two. Been experiencing this. So I'm waiting ;D

Not expressed in those words though.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 9 Apr, 2009, 3:54pm

Fore have you explained how aliens make themselves blurred?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 12 Apr, 2009, 12:05pm

Sorry for the super long delay....Lots of problems needed to be dealt with....

(including the forum going down!)

====================================================

(part 2)

The problem with creating mental simulations to use as a bridge to your psychic abilities is that you will always impose some kind of limitation.

If the simulation used to interpret the information is too inflexible or cannot give you a closer level of interaction. Then you may find yourself in a pickle in trying to get more out of the mental interpretation.

=======================================================

Advanced psychic use what is sometimes called "overlays".

Rather than using a strictly mental simulation to gather psychic information...overlays work in the exact opposite way. They take visual, audioable sensation given by the 5 physical senses and add onto it.

Rather than having a simulation active like a buffer inbetween (like a "grand library") that only exist in your mind. An overlay imprints information onto the normal 5 senses. Hence why it is called an overlay.

It can be set up to "add" (no, not like hallucinations) information to the 5 physical senses of reality. So if you are trying to do psychomety reading of any objects in the sky between you and 5 miles in the distant sky. You'll be able to sense that psychic input overlayed onto your vision and your perception of physical reality.

You've seen me mention the term "Calibration".

Calibration is when you eliminate imagination and increase your psychic abilities to a hyper-sensitive state whereby you are able to (in real time without any sleep or meditation techniques) sense the environment through Extra-Sensory Perception with extremely accurate techniques.

[...I have just been told to stop typing...err]


Anyway, accuracy is important in that method of perception.

[.....] Once you get to that point of hypersensitivity and accuracy, you'll probably be able to substitute physical senses of the local environment with non-physical senses of the local environment.


In example,

Rather than noticing things according to the limits of your physical eyesight. You'll probably be able to eventually enhance or add information that is beyond the limitations of your eyesight.

For example, tracking and sensing any individuals in a thickly wooded forest at a distance of 100 yards. Your eyes may not be able to help you in that search. But your extra sensory perception can add in the information to fill in the blanks with direction and distance information that your normal eyesight cannot provide.

A seamless experience of psychic information without any mundane mental "simulations".

[Okay it appears that this topic seems to be "off-limits", I think that's enough on that.]
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 12 Apr, 2009, 12:30pm

(Part 3)

In the same way, that psi-overlays work to fill in the blanks. I suppose....that the ET's can exploit this to make your physical hardware (your brain) take in information which isn't being rendered directly from the 5 senses.

It's still a Psi overlay. But your not in control of it.

I guess its possible you might see a human figure (an illusion) when there is actually an ET in front of you. I've never experienced it, but I know it is technically feasible and the advisor did talk about it. It would be like hijacking your awareness of your 5 senses and injecting extra information in pseudo-psi-overlays that shouldn't be there.

Your brain will (i guess) do it job and remember the false imprinted info onto your 5 senses.

You'll have inaccurate perception of the environment and you'll probably feel strange or wrong I bet.

I remember only one person a long time ago back in the late 90's who told me they had a brother or sister next to them while they were talking to an ET.

They said they saw a man or woman or something. But they said their brother or sister walked into the room and saw what they swore was a grotesque "demon" like being.

So I guess it's possible. I have never experienced it to the best of my knowledge. But technically it is possible.

[Man, there is an eerie sensation over here, I think I should quit writing while I am ahead.]
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 12 Apr, 2009, 12:31pm

Sheesh, Fore...

Do you always listen to them? :P ;)

j/k ;D
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 12 Apr, 2009, 12:39pm


12 Apr, 2009, 12:31pm, dove wrote:
Sheesh, Fore...

Do you always listen to them? :P ;)

j/k ;D
Only when it feels like they are creepily nearby. Or in a threatening mood.

In either case, I won't stop writing. I intend to address as many issues as I can to make sure people get a leg up on how various things that don't seem to have any inherent connection to each other...actually do.

[Edit: But apparently, these are the more uncomfortable topics for them, hehe. I guess they aren't comfortable with these kinds of topics?]
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 12 Apr, 2009, 1:36pm

Any information that will allow a lesser being to perceive a deception is a threat. In this case, the beings concerned have a reason for disguising who they are.

If a reasonable proportion of the human population becomes aware of this, then it makes the effect useless and can result in undesirable situations. Mainly situations where individuals feel unnecessarily threatened due to a beings appearance rather than its real intentions etc.

Additionally as the human population increasingly gains abilities through a teacher [i.e. Fore], it is possible someone may stumble across something "novel" which may not be manipulatable or available to a third party [i.e most aliens].

Just my 2 cents.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 12 Apr, 2009, 5:49pm

Indeed. It's very bad for a controlling group for someone to teach the stuff the controllers already know. It's kind of like a 70's French animated movie a friend of mine was talking about. I don't remember the name, but it was about a time where there are these giant blue aliens and humans are around as pets. A week for them is a year for us, and we eventually amass enough of their own knowledge to build a shuttle and they go to the aliens' homeplanet where they destroy the mechanism that allows them to reproduce, so the humans get their own planet. The aliens had to face the reality that the humans were now their equal.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 12 Apr, 2009, 8:24pm

@OMF
We should just blame the creator of deception, the first to conceive deception and then deceive a "lesser" being. That seems the likely origin of deception, deceit and thusly should be blamed and hung accordingly.

Or should we blame infinity and our power to create (which is just infinity and everything possible not being everywhere at once)?

How one being can be "bigger" or "lesser" ?

Instead of blaming the situation that aliens>you and stating that in almost ever post

We need to cut threw the bullcrap...we need to counter strat these aliens.

There intent at this point doesn't matter anymore.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 12 Apr, 2009, 9:32pm


12 Apr, 2009, 12:39pm, fore wrote:

12 Apr, 2009, 12:31pm, dove wrote:
Sheesh, Fore...

Do you always listen to them? :P ;)

j/k ;D
Only when it feels like they are creepily nearby. Or in a threatening mood.

In either case, I won't stop writing. I intend to address as many issues as I can to make sure people get a leg up on how various things that don't seem to have any inherent connection to each other...actually do.

[Edit: But apparently, these are the more uncomfortable topics for them, hehe. I guess they aren't comfortable with these kinds of topics?]


hehehe... ;D

Sorry, Fore. I was just kidding with you, really. I didn't mean to imply that you actually listen to them. It's apparent that you do not always comply. ;)

I'm glad you won't stop writing because they want you to. I only hope that you remain safe from them.

I most certainly feel someone's presence when I am writing about stuff that they don't like. My last post in the Reptilian Agenda thread I started is a perfect example. I was really being tweaked on that night. ::)

It makes sense that they would not want people like you to teach folks their dirty little secrets.... I just wonder why they bother me. It's not like I'm a fount of information. Maybe they think I'm too close to the truth and they don't like my big mouth. :P


{edit: BTW, Fore--sorry about this morning. I think I inadvertantly pinged you when I wrote that post right before I went to bed. ;) I don't mean to do that, honestly. For some reason, it doesn't take much for me to ping you; I don't know why. Like right now.... Dude, I am *so* not doing that on purpose...What's up with that? :P}
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 12 Apr, 2009, 9:32pm

Forget about counter-strat for me. I want to join their team.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 12 Apr, 2009, 9:35pm

Dylan~

You still at it, boy? :P

Does that mean nobody ever came to visit you when I sent them your address? ;)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 12 Apr, 2009, 9:39pm

I guess this would answer my last question... ;D


12 Apr, 2009, 1:36pm, pontificator wrote:
Any information that will allow a lesser being to perceive a deception is a threat.


Maybe that's why they don't like me... :P


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 13 Apr, 2009, 2:33am


12 Apr, 2009, 9:32pm, dylan wrote:
Forget about counter-strat for me. I want to join their team.


I doubt you wanna join there team. I bet you just want them to scare you. Or amuse you and fascinate you with there existence. I doubt you're at all interested in there agenda's.

And you wonder why they don't care.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 13 Apr, 2009, 4:13am


13 Apr, 2009, 2:33am, 369 wrote:

12 Apr, 2009, 9:32pm, dylan wrote:
Forget about counter-strat for me. I want to join their team.


I doubt you wanna join there team. I bet you just want them to scare you. Or amuse you and fascinate you with there existence. I doubt you're at all interested in there agenda's.

And you wonder why they don't care.
*nods*
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 13 Apr, 2009, 10:49am

Fore, thank you for giving me a prelude on strategic-talking in one of your previous posts. As always, you have an excellent sense of timing for these matters.

Here's my (unsuccessful, so far) attempt at commenting on a certain video, over at GLP .

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message769341/pg1

(the video in question):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWlw3vo_ALA

As I said (well, attempted to say), I'll keep spamming this over at GLP until it shows up. I'm leaving it here for a reference.

It seems (as I was told in a contact e-mail I received on Friday) that a certain "white-winged dove" was not the only "weak AI" (AKA "a bird") on the job.

Since I have absolutely no way or verifying forementioned e-mail, I'm kindly asking whatever agency is out there to check it out. It should have been either NSA or CIA, but it could have as easily been another "bird" for trapping.

Besides, since it's time to establish a formal network of connections (I prefer to stay out of it for now, as there's too much headlights pointing my way), it is time to sqeeze all the funny birds out.

A clean network is most preferred, but even a near-clean one will be sufficient.

As that simple (mathematical) graph theory goes - protect yourself, your family, and your friends (not acquaintances, mind you), and the rest will sort itself out.


[N-th attempted version of the post]
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I got bored, so I'll just spam it until it shows up in the thread.

Thinking about it, maybe I'll just sign again at several different forums, and spam it all over the place? That would be nice, don't you think?

[third attempted version of the post]
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Well, shiver-me-timbers! Did I just get rejected for the third time!?

Luckily, I've got a copy of the message now, ready to be reposted this very instant! Phew, I was afraid I would have to type it all over again!

[original, original, second attempted version of the post]
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Nice try to stop me from posting, but it won't work. ;) [aimed not at the forum, but at "something" else]

Here's a second attempt at posting. Let's see how it works out this time. Oh, by the way, thank you for confirming my speculation (explained below).

[original post... well, more or less, since I had to type it (again) from memory (and no, you can't affect the memory this time)]
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You people are missing the point. Sometimes "fake" is as real as "real" can be fake.

This video may be as "real" as Battlestar Galactice, but it's also as "fake" as the forementioned TV show is.

For those with expensive tickets, here's a nice example:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9669

There are some strange birds in that thread. Lured, trapped, and marked for future reference (very useful concept that one).

It you hurry, you can still catch those birds as they are being scooped away. [I feel a panic mode arising... interesting...]

Also, in addition to future reference, there is also a concept of back-reference. Also very useful.

For example, look for a thread "This is THE END" started last Saturday. You will actually find two threads with very similar names (the other one being "THIS is THE END").

Only one of them serves as back-reference. Interestingly enough, what you will also find (though I'm not completely certain about it, 'cause I can't find either of them anymore, but you should check it out nevertheless), the not-one (I think) was actually started before the one.

Now, what all this may mean is open to speculation, but from my experience, this is how time-wars are usually fought.

"Time-wars!?" [you must be asking yourselves at this point]

"WTF!? That's just Sci-Fi BS! Ain't no such thing as time traveling! It's been 'scientifically' 'proven' that time traveling cannot exist!"

Well, sorry for the inconvenience, but it's been actually proven that time traveling is possible in a rotating universe (look for Physics papers on the subject).

Neither General Relativity, nor Quantum Mechanics prohibit time traveling. What they do prohibit is inconsistent time loops.

Inconsistent time loops cannot exist simply because they will be "smoothed" over Time by "Natural Laws" (which are not natural in the first place, but that's another story), and they will be turned into consistent time loops.

The whole point in time-wars is to either provoke inconsistent, or form consistent time loops, and in such a manner as to leave the opponent hanging in the air (the preferred method is to leave the opponent hang himself, but that can't be accomplished always, you know).

So, who is going to hang himself this time around?

We have a whole Zoo of hanged birds of all shapes and colors. Any new addition is welcome. ;)
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[end of original post]

So, how did I do? 95% accuracy on the second attempt?

99%? (the 1% actually turning out to be improvements!?)

Wow, that must be the new record, don't you think?

And, once again, thank you for helping me by serving as an example for my point... hanging oneself, that is.

It can't be accomplished every time, but most of the times (and especially when you are threatened with your very existence), it works like a charm.

One just needs a good bait, and what better bait is there than oneself? Keep doing such a lousy job, and your existence will... cease to exist (a future reference for a back-reference).
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[end of original, original, second attempt version of the post]

No additional comments this time...

[slaps oneself on the forehead]

Damn, almost forgot it (0.5% of affection?)!

What's going on with GLP? It seems there have been some more birds left in GLP's nest. Better clean it up while there's still time.
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[end of N-th attempted version of the post]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 13 Apr, 2009, 3:06pm

It just occured to me that people may have some problem understanding what I'm talking about with luring and trapping "birds", and intelligence community in general.

What I'm talking about is this:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message754547/pg1

The first post is quite large, and honestly, I was just skimming through it, when one interesting piece of information caught my eye:

"Kerry Thornley and Gregory Hill found Discordianism and publish 'Principia Discordia, or How I Found Goddess and What I Did To Her When I Found Her'"

That was definitely one strange piece of info to put in such research. So I went along with it, and found the following page (along with another one, but the other one is not that important):

http://www.sondralondon.com/attract/thornley/confess/

There was enough information there to pick my interest, so I went along with it as well (along with some other things that I went along in that thread).

It's an interesting reading, both the thread, and Kerry's story.

For me, the thread becomes really interesting on page 2, and really heats up on page 3.

On the following day, I received a confirmation of my suspicions (in the forementioned, though for me unconfirmed and unconfirmable e-mail).

As I explained in that thread, much is based on guesses and hunches, believing without believing anything, and finding the limits and walking right over them. Playing on those limits is the key.

In a way, one could say that I have absolutely no idea of what I'm doing, and yet, I know exactly what I'm intending to do. It is the territory the opponent cannot step into without losing its mind/reason/logic, and going completely mad.

I expect very little time to be left before we see such madness in action, providing, of course, it is not stopped in time.

That kind of a mad opponent is definitely not something one would ever want to see. Especially if one is under its control at the moment.

[intended for those who are still out there, "remembering" (but what exactly? false memories?), and still being undecided]
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 13 Apr, 2009, 3:58pm


13 Apr, 2009, 2:33am, 369 wrote:

12 Apr, 2009, 9:32pm, dylan wrote:
Forget about counter-strat for me. I want to join their team.


I doubt you wanna join there team. I bet you just want them to scare you. Or amuse you and fascinate you with there existence. I doubt you're at all interested in there agenda's.

And you wonder why they don't care.


Dylan this statement isn't to put you "out there". I don't know one human that doesn't do things to feel an emotion.

So when I become opinionated on the subject of, "can aliens be trust?"

//There are so many definitions on aliens so I hope you can feel what I mean and not try to escape my words with logic

The only way we can say aliens don't have a trustworthy higher understanding is by saying there was never one like us to grow up and to know "better".

and people talk about ****ing future timeline human beings coming to see them?

"But 369 there just clever aliens and they made that up just for this statement!" says the random OMF debater.

So when I become opinionated on the subject of, "can aliens be trust?"

what can I possible say?
without having to keep going and going and going and going and going and going and going and going and going and going and going and going and going and going until they stop because that's the limit of there logical mind even though we could keep going and going but the only reason we stop is because of the human brain.


=====================
I'm nothing without the universe.

Can I express myself without the universe?
Can I conceive a thought without the universe?
Feel without the universe?
Control without the universe?
Can I do anything without the universe?


No.


Everything I am is the universe and everything you are is the universe.

All I'm saying is we should see where we're wasting time and try as hard as we can to eliminate it. No matter what were giving up in the process.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 13 Apr, 2009, 4:14pm


13 Apr, 2009, 3:58pm, 369 wrote:
[quote author=369 board=research thread=1953 post=173726 time=1239582781]

All I'm saying is we should see where we're wasting time and try as hard as we can to eliminate it. No matter what were giving up in the process.



What ever we consider "wasting time" and what we don't consider wasting time is up to use in what ever way we want to determine it.

Because all we are doing is creating and there is no way to escape it.

You will not escaping creation! You will always be apart of it.

//referring to the butterfly effect

So why don't we create something more interesting?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 13 Apr, 2009, 4:19pm

Fore, I don't know if you explained this or not, but how does one go about turning "influence" off? I'm getting the impression like I need to have it on, but it's attracting some attention and it'd be nice to know how to turn it off once in a while.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 13 Apr, 2009, 10:38pm

@ dreamoftheiris

I'll lead you to the answer but you'll have to do some of the walking to get to it.

----------------

Okay, lets say you have an entity nearby and it is bothering you by trying to siphon off some of your influence.

We should know by now that when a person is in an active state in using their influence, they are emanating higher than normal levels of their patterned influence into the environment.

A paranormal entity that is interested in siphoning off that influence, just has to walk up to you and begin absorbing some of that influence. Like fuel it is slowly taken out of your surrounding field and collected.

As a consequence, most should feel a wide variety of various symptoms. Usually weakness or soreness being the most common ones.

Dreamoftheiris, considering your giving off influence from your body through invisible pores. What would be the prudent action to stop influence from flowing out?

If an active state is like a positive pressure (read: expansion) on your influence, what is the opposite?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by jakereason on 13 Apr, 2009, 11:55pm

Elendal1;

Your two posts above are off-topic to this thread. Could you please start your own thread and re-post them there.

Thank you.

After you've moved them, we'll delete them from this thread.

Jake
co-admin



Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by aellacyning on 14 Apr, 2009, 6:24am

I read down to the part where the woman talked of a brown alien race that once lived near Egypt and considered gods. They weren't even close to gods if war destroyed their culture but I assume some survive somewhere. The real problem is WAR. If some advanced societies are consumed by war, what real chance do we as humans with our record of war makes me wonder what chance do we have? Apparently a vertically integrated new society is being built by humans and aliens for their own mutual gain & piss on the rest of us. So what are we if we can't stop war all over the world? I believe the EternalCreator made the universe, controls it, and every sentient species knows this Creator. EC has given us tools to solve every problem. We don't need war we just need someone who can deal with these warriors decisively once and for all. We all want peace we just don't know how to bring it to flower. If ET wants to know why the earth is polluted don't look at the many because they don't control squat. Leaders are what we need to break thieves & murderers on an apocolyptic scale. May EC grind them to powder.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 14 Apr, 2009, 5:11pm


13 Apr, 2009, 10:38pm, fore wrote:


Dreamoftheiris, considering your giving off influence from your body through invisible pores. What would be the prudent action to stop influence from flowing out?

If an active state is like a positive pressure (read: expansion) on your influence, what is the opposite?


Close the pores? A shield of somesort? Bring the influence inside, kind of like the potential energy stored inside everything. You're radiating this influence, I.E. expressing the energy stored within (?), like any form of matter. Somehow, there must be a way to "drag the energy" back inside, keep it locked for a rainy day so to speak. Be able to release mass amounts of energy at will, not just have it scatter all over the place in a chaotic fashion.

Does that make sense?



Quote:
Leaders are what we need to break thieves & murderers on an apocolyptic scale. May EC grind them to powder.


Are you suggesting genocide? NWO type stuff?

Bah, leaders are not what we need. This is typical human speak for, "I don't want to take responsiblity for my own actions, so lets get someone else to do it". Tell me what to do. Daddy knows best, right? ;)




Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 14 Apr, 2009, 10:05pm


14 Apr, 2009, 5:11pm, dreamoftheiris wrote:

13 Apr, 2009, 10:38pm, fore wrote:


Dreamoftheiris, considering your giving off influence from your body through invisible pores. What would be the prudent action to stop influence from flowing out?

If an active state is like a positive pressure (read: expansion) on your influence, what is the opposite?


Close the pores? A shield of somesort? Bring the influence inside, kind of like the potential energy stored inside everything. You're radiating this influence, I.E. expressing the energy stored within (?), like any form of matter. Somehow, there must be a way to "drag the energy" back inside, keep it locked for a rainy day so to speak. Be able to release mass amounts of energy at will, not just have it scatter all over the place in a chaotic fashion.

Does that make sense?


Okay that sounds like a good idea. ;)

A shield thought-form that can drag/compress energy into the interiors of the psychic body.

It sounds like that could work. You might have to think up a way to tweak that psychic shield thought-form to cover the various kinds of patterns at once though.

You want to make sure to get all of it at once. (or at least efficiently) So how would you design this "compression shield" in order to create a fine enough net to drag/compress all the different kind of emanations back within the interior of your body?

What concept usually covers most of the psychic "spectrum"?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by philliman on 14 Apr, 2009, 10:15pm


12 Apr, 2009, 5:49pm, q wrote:
Indeed. It's very bad for a controlling group for someone to teach the stuff the controllers already know. It's kind of like a 70's French animated movie a friend of mine was talking about. I don't remember the name, but it was about a time where there are these giant blue aliens and humans are around as pets. A week for them is a year for us, and we eventually amass enough of their own knowledge to build a shuttle and they go to the aliens' homeplanet where they destroy the mechanism that allows them to reproduce, so the humans get their own planet. The aliens had to face the reality that the humans were now their equal.

The movie is called "Fantastic Planet". I've just posted it here:
http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.c....lay&thread=5330

Sorry for offtopic.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 15 Apr, 2009, 6:12am


Quote:
o how would you design this "compression shield" in order to create a fine enough net to drag/compress all the different kind of emanations back within the interior of your body?

What concept usually covers most of the psychic "spectrum"?


Visualization/feeling.

"Visualize" a net or shield surrounding your psychic body and slowly drag it inside. Like catching the influence and pulling it inside yourself. There's still the problem of the influence generated by doing this. Seems like a tricky problem. I notice this technique actually increases the amount of energy I feel inside, like getting a boost. It's not "free range energy", uncontrolled chaotic energy. It's more controlled and stable.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 17 Apr, 2009, 5:59pm

I'm gonna put fore's words into what I understand and interpreted, my own words. Just to make sure I understand.

Imagination is a tool that can actually create senses.
Our 5 senses are just catching and interpreting data.
The amount of senses that we can create and function with are not limited to the 5 we know.

So what I want to know is
are we always receiving data with or without our senses
or are they just interpreters of data

edit:
Heres a thought based off these concepts I thought up

Our the senses that are embedded in our bodies here for a base starting point?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Apr, 2009, 9:23pm


17 Apr, 2009, 5:59pm, 369 wrote:
I'm gonna put fore's words into what I understand and interpreted, my own words. Just to make sure I understand.

Imagination is a tool that can actually create senses.


It CAN BE used as a tool.

Our mind has the capacity to generate mental illusions based on our whim...based on whatever we want to generate. [fantasies, ideas, concepts, etc]

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Rather than use this capability to compile fantasy and dreams (etc).... stuff that has no correlation to actual reality.

An intermediate psychic can allow this imaginative function to be used by the "higher self" to render information in a coherent form so that our lower self/mind (the human mind) can grasp the information.

The "higher mind/self" is usually in direct control of our psychic abilities. It is aware of the stream of information that is generate from non-physical senses.

The "lower mind/self" is only aware of, and in direct control of our physical abilities. It is aware of the stream of information that is generated by our physical senses.

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The human [lower] mind is not seemingly capable of fully absorbing the "higher mind" in it's entirety or for long periods of time.

There is a separation between the two and I suspect it is probably the technical hurdle of our bodies being unable to cope with the very large and expansive levels of perceptual concepts and higher thoughts that our higher mind perceives....but that our lower mind can't handle.

Using the imaginative capability of our "lower mind" as a flexible communication medium between the two parts is an easy way of the two spheres of consciousness working together to create an interpretation of information that the lower mind can handle.

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Your higher mind thinks big complicated thoughts.

Your lower mind thinks small simple thoughts.

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Put it this way:

Your lower mind is only aware of things nearby to the physical body. Our eyes and ears are only aware of things within a certain distance. Our sense of taste can only sense things directly in touch with your tongue. Your nose is the same in that you are aware of it only if you breathe it in. Your sense of touch is only aware of things that directly touches it.

This small bubble is the world of the lower mind.




Your higher minds perceives alot more that none of your 5 senses can pick up. It can sense things (if directed properly) thousands of miles in distance. It has finer resolving capabilities than the sharpest eye. It can produce/perceive information that none of the 5 senses can.

It can see into the future and into the past and at large distances separate from the physical body. In some ways, it is more aware of the environment that the person with only 5 senses available to them.



For all practical points...now you see why most psychics refer to normal individuals as blind or asleep. There is alot they aren't aware of.

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Your lower mind has the capability to imagine concepts.

So you ask your higher mind to use your imagined model. (grand library examples)

Your lower mind sets up the parameters of what kind of imaginative simulation will form and be used to communicate. (grand library example)

Your higher mind uses the chosen imaginative construct to render information for your lower mind to see/perceive and understand.

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Your higher mind now has a designated format (your imagination) to share information with the lower mind. Through a specific representation that the lower mind has set up. (grand library example)

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17 Apr, 2009, 5:59pm, 369 wrote:
Our 5 senses are just catching and interpreting data.


Actually your 5 senses are collecting raw sensory information about what they were made to pick up. [Sound, pressure, temperature, brightness, color etc]

The brain does all the interpreting. But the brain is capable of only processing information in so many ways and at specific level of capacity. And only with a certain kind of complexity.

Exceed those limits and problems start to show up.

This is a key reason why I set myself up to allow my higher mind/self to control the flow of non-physical information and present it to me in "psi overlays". Rather than trying to absorb the information directly into the lower mind/self.

I am surprised that people don't experience seizures when they allow their lower mind to absorb the information. Things go nuts given enough time.



17 Apr, 2009, 5:59pm, 369 wrote:
The amount of senses that we can create and function with are not limited to the 5 we know.


Technically no, but there are limitations. You have to be creative to get around the hurdles or have someone like the advisor who can show you how to do it.


17 Apr, 2009, 5:59pm, 369 wrote:
So what I want to know is
are we always receiving data with or without our senses
or are they just interpreters of data


We are always receiving information 24/7. Even when you sleep.

Our mind is the interpreter as far as I know. The peripheral sense are just sending it raw data.

When an ET taps into our consciousness and hijacks the interpretation of the stream. They can probably make you see anything they want. Thats why I don't buy into the morphing aliens thing.

If someone sees morphing aliens, they are probably (almost certainly IMO) under psychic control. What morphs is probably not the alien itself, but what the alien allows to be percieved.

I dunno, maybe that's why some of the faces appear blurry? Dunno.


17 Apr, 2009, 5:59pm, 369 wrote:
edit:
Heres a thought based off these concepts I thought up

Our the senses that are embedded in our bodies here for a base starting point?


If you mean evolutionary wise. Probably.

I find it deeply mysterious that our bodies and our minds seem to have all these various abilities and concepts already built into it. Like unused appendages that don't have any functional ability. (yet)

Maybe the creator had an evolutionary path for us all to follow?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Apr, 2009, 9:37pm

By the way, a few days ago, I looked into Ed Dames when someone posted about him.

I looked up his forum after I listened to the interview and the video he was giving away.

I found it >smirks< interesting that he was seemingly using a "query model" to gather information from his higher self.

I forgot what he called it on his forum...higher knowing? [looks up the pages again]

Ah, "Higher Level Prompts".

http://www.rvcommunity.net/viewforum.php?f=22

It's interesting how he made up his method and how he uses it to try to target information by using a type of query system.

He seemingly has 8 stages of advancement for using his proprietary design. S1 through S4 are being sold by him (I am not advocating his course in any way).

S5 through S8 seem to be available by workshops alone.

I just thought I should bring it up so that you guys could take a look at a live examples of how different individuals build up a system to use intent to target "extra sensory information" in the higher self/mind.

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I also found it funny how he doesn't let anyone discuss any other techniques other than those provided. I saw a few comments by individuals who spoke of symptoms unwittingly associated with low level activation of psychic abilities.

I found it even funnier how some of the more advanced members responses to them about it being "Time lag" or something <rolls eyes>.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 18 Apr, 2009, 5:14am


17 Apr, 2009, 9:23pm, fore wrote:
[quote author=369 board=research thread=1953 post=174564 time=1239983951]
If you mean evolutionary wise.

ya
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 18 Apr, 2009, 5:57am


Quote:
I found it even funnier how some of the more advanced members responses to them about it being "Time lag" or something <rolls eyes>.


would this be similar to jet lag ;D

I will say your explanation of gathering info has me looking twice at how I am doing things on my end.... I can definitely relate to the information overload aspect of it.

Many times I simply allow the information bits to flow without interpreting the information ... for example I will set up a certain set of parameters then simply let the information flow. Kind of like letting it gather in a sequestered area, allowing the higher self to (subconsciously?) sort it on an automatic setting. The sensation I get is sort of like meditating and in some case I can feel really sleepy when in this flow. The analysis phase is also controlled by the higher functions and then slowly fed down to be read.

how should I adjust the above so that I can layer the output or have more control over what I am reading. Currently I would say it is hit and miss, not what I would call a truly controlled psychic reading of the environment. What it currently feels like for me when i do this is the information sort of unwraps itself like an expansion or a flower opening up.

I also feel that information could easily be removed or added to the flow skewing certain results, even though the analysis is done at a higher level. The question I guess is how would you go about recognizing or test for a hijacked stream of information. Possibly even how would you go about protecting the environment or the flow from being hijacked in the first place.

perhaps classified as quality assurance of the information received?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wingsofcrystal on 19 Apr, 2009, 3:07am

This is probably a dork question but here goes:
Can you tell immediately when you pick up information what the individual or their intent is? I don't know if I worded that correctly. I'm not well informed about this subject being one of the "blind" ones. But I'm fascinated.
Crystal
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 19 Apr, 2009, 4:40am

Fore so when the advisor "teased" you about possibly being you in a future timeline
Did she ever say if that is actually possible?
because ive heard of that before
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 19 Apr, 2009, 5:19am


19 Apr, 2009, 4:40am, 369 wrote:
Fore so when the advisor "teased" you about possibly being you in a future timeline
Did she ever say if that is actually possible?
because ive heard of that before


Being me?

I think you mean being a descendant.

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Is it possible?

Well, considering their understandings and they are exceedingly complicated...yeah I think it is possible.

But....I want to see it first hand for myself, before I consider it beyond a shadow of a doubt to be true.

I need to see it for myself and there are many steps to getting to that point of reasonably accepting that kind of reality as being true. Or that she is that kind of person.

Without proof, I just have her word. And that could be taken as a joke.

Is it real or a meme? Dunno.




Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 19 Apr, 2009, 5:44am


19 Apr, 2009, 3:07am, wingsofcrystal wrote:
This is probably a dork question but here goes:
Can you tell immediately when you pick up information what the individual or their intent is? I don't know if I worded that correctly. I'm not well informed about this subject being one of the "blind" ones. But I'm fascinated.
Crystal


Yeah, you can sense their intent immediately. Assuming that you are aware and sensitive enough and you are able to properly perform low end types of mind reading.

That's one thing that surprised me when I became psychically inactive enough that this active ability ceased to function properly.

It was *real strange* (to me) to be able to look at someones face or to point your attention to them and not know anything about what they intend to do.

It was very strange as a worldly experience.

It was when I finally (only about 2 years ago) understood the gravity of not being psychic and having normal affairs with people.

It was really bizarre when you can't know what the other person is generally thinking or what they are after. It was a total guessing game.

I consider it one of the negative points of being inactive. I understood then why so many people make bad choices. It dawned on me that there are no "tell tale signs" of another persons intent other than their faces and applied logic.

It was really disturbing stuff.

Sometimes I find it amazing that people live their lives like that. It also inspired an immense amount of changes in my mentality.

At one time I thought peoples intent was extremely obvious. Like reading a book. (like the ET do) I was generally confused why other people around me could not easily notice the intent that was (to me) extremely obvious.

I was extremely critical throughout my life when people were duped. Because to me it was obvious...how could you not see it coming?

But once I walked a mile in the average persons view it was very dis-empowering. It was even frightening to see how disconnected normal people are from their environment and each other. Really disturbing stuff.

But once I saw it for myself...wow I was alot more forgiving. There really was no way to know (through normal means).

It adjusted how much sympathy I had for the normal POV.

It was an eye-opener.
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Before the advisor left, she told me to learn how to blend in better and learn from the world until she came back.

Man, there is alot to know...that I don't yet know.

When I did "rubber band" style reactivation's...I also realized that I was more like them than I was like a normal person.

I realized that my POV was being tainted by perspectives that the average person didn't have access to. And it made me wonder if I was really normal or not considering.


(Rubber band style activations: Rapid climb in active ability which results in a rapid return to an inactive state. An unsustainable psychic activation...like a rubber band. On then Off.)
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Then it made me pretty sad and self-conscious (and generally feeling "broken" and incompatible) when I realized I would probably never be able to join the ET circle nor fully understand my own circle.

Sort of like an outcast without a good home. Neither here nor there. Hopefully someday (after disclosure?) a little community can form where we can all share and talk openly and pick up the pieces and share advanced experiences.

Not necessarily out of isolation from either camp. But a community of like-minded people where it feels like your not uncomfortable or out of place...or keeping a secret for that matter.

Sorry for the rant. My feelings splurged during that remembrance.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 19 Apr, 2009, 5:58am


19 Apr, 2009, 5:44am, fore wrote:

Then it made me pretty sad and self-conscious (and generally feeling "broken" and incompatible) when I realized I would probably never be able to join the ET circle nor fully understand my own circle.


wow

the thing about being born on the 7th,16th(7) or 25th(7) and/or having your birthday add up to 7

is your a loner
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 20 Apr, 2009, 4:49am

Hi Fore I do have to ask

would you prefer it if I do not post on your thread? It is just that many of my past questions posted in this thread appear to have simply fallen thru the cracks or have been ignored. If it is the latter then it may be better if I do not set an expectation that they would at sometime be replied to.

I do respect and enjoy what you post here fore and I have had a richer experience thru reading your posts. However if I have offended you in someway I do apologize, I also understand that if this has occurred you may still be unwilling to communicate with me.

If I have offended in someway and only if you want to, I would like to know what it was or how I offended you, if for no other reason then to prevent such an offense from reoccurring in the future.

I know this is an abrubt message, but I feel that if there is something that needs to be said or done then it is better to do it now then to wait and simply be in a state of denial, doubt or expectation. If the duct tape needs to be pulled off then pull it off.

BTW you can be as brutal as you need to be, even if initially wounded it will heal . It may be a lesson I need to learn but until it is applied I will not learn it.

WM
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wingsofcrystal on 20 Apr, 2009, 4:53am

Thanks for the sensitive answer Fore.
It must be a desolate feeling. As if life doesn't have enough "lessons" you got stuck with seeing in color then it goes to black and white on you. I can't even associate it with something I might have gone through.
Crystal
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wingsofcrystal on 20 Apr, 2009, 4:56am

Hi WildMage!
I'm off to bug my husband. God bless and goodnight everyone.
Crystal
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 21 Apr, 2009, 7:08am


20 Apr, 2009, 4:49am, wildmage wrote:

I know this is an abrubt message, but I feel that if there is something that needs to be said or done then it is better to do it now then to wait and simply be in a state of denial, doubt or expectation. If the duct tape needs to be pulled off then pull it off.

Everyone does that to me
My life story... :'(

(feel sorry for me right now!)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 21 Apr, 2009, 9:17am


13 Apr, 2009, 11:55pm, jakereason wrote:
Elendal1;

Your two posts above are off-topic to this thread. Could you please start your own thread and re-post them there.

Thank you.

After you've moved them, we'll delete them from this thread.

Jake
co-admin



I haven't checked what you've done with those posts, but feel free to do with them whatever you like.

The whole purpose of my posts here, and everywhere else, is to seed information for those who can use it. That includes all those "super-secret, 3-letter (or no letters at all)" organizations, but it also includes "casual bypassers" (some of who are not always what they appear to be).

Therefore, by removing information, you are diminishing your chances, in general, of understanding what is actually happening, and learning how to respond. More importantly, you are diminishing the chances of those who are actually able to respond in a timely and appropriate manner.

However, I am fully aware that removal of information sometimes is (or may appear to be) the right thing to do, so I will comment on this no more.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 21 Apr, 2009, 10:01am

Hi Crystal, don't torture him too much ;)

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21 Apr, 2009, 7:08am, 369 wrote:

20 Apr, 2009, 4:49am, wildmage wrote:

I know this is an abrupt message, but I feel that if there is something that needs to be said or done then it is better to do it now then to wait and simply be in a state of denial, doubt or expectation. If the duct tape needs to be pulled off then pull it off.

Everyone does that to me
My life story... :'(

(feel sorry for me right now!)


369 if ever you feel like I am ignoring you I hope you do ask vs. just wondering why and jumping to possibly unfounded assumptions.

As for my post to fore I know myself well enough to realize that I may have my moments of brilliance but I do also have my moments of being a pompous jackass, so I would not put it past myself to have offended him at some point in the past. Feeling sorry has nothing to do with it. It is also possible nothing at all occurred and he simply did not feel like responding to the questions at the time they were asked. Simply put bad timing on my part.

he might even come on here rip me a new one ...or just say WTF are you being all paranoid about. I do not know, and unless I ask and get a response it will remain an unknown. The key here is that even with no response at least I will know I messed up somewhere. No more asking myself hmmm that is strange wonder if his contacts simply feel I should not know, or maybe am not ready to be dealing with these types of issues. Am I pushing in directions I should not be ... I do not know... or maybe my questions are just out there and do not make sense, again I do not know. Maybe he felt I was just working things out with redundant questions I do not know. However these are the things that go thru my mind when I see a this particular pattern.

Now I can continue not knowing or simply ask the question. Personally I would hope someone felt comfortable enough with me that they would come out and ask me. But that is just me and it is possible I am completely wrong here, who knows. If I am doing a faux pas then I would hope someone does point it out.

I hold nothing against fore if I messed up then I messed up end of story. It is definitely not his fault if I am the one who offended him.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 21 Apr, 2009, 3:25pm

Fore and ripping someone a new one... I can't see these two things together at all. I'm actually chuckling at the notion.

Secondly - Lol... everyone has moments of brilliance and pompous jackassery. I like to think that is what the internet is for, allowing people to be jackasses and not get killed for it.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by rev on 21 Apr, 2009, 10:58pm


Quote:
Then it made me pretty sad and self-conscious (and generally feeling "broken" and incompatible) when I realized I would probably never be able to join the ET circle nor fully understand my own circle.

Sort of like an outcast without a good home. Neither here nor there. Hopefully someday (after disclosure?) a little community can form where we can all share and talk openly and pick up the pieces and share advanced experiences.

Not necessarily out of isolation from either camp. But a community of like-minded people where it feels like your not uncomfortable or out of place...or keeping a secret for that matter.

Sorry for the rant. My feelings splurged during that remembrance.


It was all meant to be buddy. Don't take it so hard. There is a very good reason you feel the way you do, and are in the position you are. It can consume you, or you can grow from it.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by olddood on 21 Apr, 2009, 11:00pm

REV!

Wow, this is so weird.
I was just thinking of you last night and wondering if you were gonna post soon....Or, ever again. ;)

Good to see ya...!
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 21 Apr, 2009, 11:06pm

Hey Rev!

I hope you had a nice hiatus. :)

Will you be staying for a while, or are you just checking in?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by murnut on 21 Apr, 2009, 11:29pm

Heavy Revy!!!
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Apr, 2009, 2:59am

Guys relax, I just have a lot on my mind.

Ten days ago my family was asked to move out of our home. So I need to find a new place to live.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Apr, 2009, 3:05am

Nice to see you around rev ;).

Hope you are doing well old buddy.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by murnut on 22 Apr, 2009, 3:07am

That sucks, and unfortunately, I know how that feels.

I know this might sound stupid, but keep a positive attitude.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 22 Apr, 2009, 4:15am


21 Apr, 2009, 3:25pm, q wrote:
Fore and ripping someone a new one... I can't see these two things together at all. I'm actually chuckling at the notion.

Secondly - Lol... everyone has moments of brilliance and pompous jackassery. I like to think that is what the internet is for, allowing people to be jackasses and not get killed for it.


hehe I do agree... I really would not be expecting fore to come at me that way... it was just used as an extreme example.
Internet or not I still hold myself responsible for how I treat other people ;)



22 Apr, 2009, 2:59am, fore wrote:
Guys relax, I just have a lot on my mind.

Ten days ago my family was asked to move out of our home. So I need to find a new place to live.


Fore, I hope this resolves itself by placing you in a better position then you were in before this occurred.

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oh and great to see you around Rev !
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by epo3 on 22 Apr, 2009, 4:37am


22 Apr, 2009, 2:59am, fore wrote:
Guys relax, I just have a lot on my mind.

Ten days ago my family was asked to move out of our home. So I need to find a new place to live.


Hey fore, I'll stick my head in here and let you know you'll be in my thoughts and prayers....I always hate to have to pull-up stakes and move on...espeially if it wasn't my plan to do so.

Good luck man I'm feeling this will work out for you... ;)

epo3

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Apr, 2009, 6:28am

[A sample of the thoughts on my mind these days: Unabridged edition]


You know whats the odd thing about this?

The fact that the Guardian called my attention and told me in the near future I needed to be extremely supportive. Just a handful of days before I got the notice from the landlord. (always paying rent on time and everything, he wants the property for his drug addicted daughter to live in. My loss is her gain in this tough economy!)

The Guardian said to stay positive for the rest. So the guardian knew about it a few days before I did. And when she makes statements like that I know they are ominous statements to worry about.

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A few days after that point in time, when I started a reactivating my abilities (for another reason unrelated to all this) and I noticed the males were observing, I brought it to their attention. They simply said they would look into it and said no more.

A few days later they and "some stranger" gets back to me on that subject and tells me how I am going to negotiate the next lease and what I should and shouldn't say. Including what price I should set, who should speak, and how low I can set it without incurring any problems.

In other words "coaching" me. (much like the advisor did in the past)

One of the males started explaining the possible outcomes and what they considered to be the optimum opportunity etc.

Right now I am wrestling on whether or not I should *immorally* ask them to step in and "bend a persons mind" into accepting a *really low* offer. But asking them for support is like dancing with the devil. They will always want something in return.

I am surprised the males have not even mentioned wanting anything (like cooperation). I guess they care enough about the situation to coach me on what opportunities there are?

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Sometimes I really wonder what is this ultra-odd relationship that I have with them. It sounds very strange to me to have parent-like ET's keeping tabs on you.

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I suppose it is a fair assessment to say that either I must be *utterly insane* or there is some secret agenda or end game that I am not aware of in this "special relationship" with my group.

Why would they care anyway? I keep asking myself this. I never have any answers.

I got an good education, extensive advice, a (nearly) full time caretaker and around the clock supervision.

(Well the supervision is probably more like a fenced in area to make sure I don't "stray" too far from their "sight" LOL. Rather than some kind of loving thing...)

I have noticed that if I even walk a different route than I am used to, for the sake of changing the scenery, or do something that I don't usually do. They are checking me out in a few minutes with their mindscans to see 'why did I do that?'....rather than what they know to be my normal behavior.

It got ridiculous when I realized that engaging in unpredictable behavior was somehow peaking their interest in some way.

So I sometimes feel like I am walking piece of property with limited rights in a fenced in area. That is why you see me sometimes call the males "my wardens". Or....

I feel that I am not my own owner. That my life is just a precisely controlled probation or something. That somehow I feel like there is always a hidden hand in what is going to be done with my life.

When the advisor (in the past) started telling me about my life years into the future from where I was. I felt like my life wasn't my own. That somehow I was just a participant in someone elses plans.

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Right now I wonder if I am somehow some kind of "live-in hybrid" or something. Cause that is the kind of behavior I would expect from the ET's if I were.

The kind of effort they waste on me seems inconsistent with what I thought should be ET contact experiences. And somehow abnormally attentive for a "nobody" like me.

I almost never come across another abductee or contactee who have the same kind of in-depth control in their life. I keep imagining that there is something wrong with this situation. Something that I am missing that would explain their strange behavior in relation to me.

I must be missing something.

It just boggles the mind that I have the kind of experiences that I have had. It makes no sense to me at all.

I keep wondering if I am somehow *full blown nuts* and *everyone else around me* must be too....even across thousands of miles.

That somehow ET's don't or shouldn't exist.

But then I am trapped by having seen and experienced things that are as too damn real to ignore. Even up to seeing the males in person.

For that matter, I suppose my little dog is also insane considering he reacts to them when they come (LOL). Perhaps I should have him checked out with a dog psychologist? (hehe)

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I really wonder what would happen to my mentality if someday someone knocks on my door and suddenly I open it to see the advisor is there, in person.

Would I be able to "handle" that kind of thing?

What if the males "phased in" and parked right out the front of my house in full view of the neighbors?

Would I look up, pee in my pants, and then keep walking past them greeting me on disclosure day, all the while pretending I don't see "such a crazy thing" while all the neighbors flip out of their minds. Repeating a mantra that they "are not real", "they cannot exist" etc?

Sometimes I wonder if my skepticism isn't as strong because of my experiences. I often find myself being mired in the thick of it and yet somehow am unable to accept it's reality. Somehow I keep looking for another answer even if it defies logic.

I find myself unable to explain it away, and instead, I must forcibly accept it because it's there. I cannot simply lie to myself. Thats not something I can do. I just don't know what to do with the large amount of evidence all around me and in my life.

I simply don't know what to do with it.

[I wonder if this is what they call a "state of denial"?]

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I'd rather be that guy who sits back and chugs a few beers, burps and feels fine with the world being only about us (humanity).

Yet every time my group chimes in Telepathically and/or makes appearances....there goes my grip on my daydream of a "normal life".

I wish I could simply say one day, "There are no ET's and everyone who thinks that are nuts". Yet here I am, living with a couple of wardens keeping tabs on me and giving me advice or instructions about something or another.

Sigh. It's even worse when I saw a UFO. The first thing out of my inner dialog was I must be seeing things. Less than a minute later it came back in a return course along the same path.

Creepy. I guess they must have been listening. LMAO.

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I should visit a psychologist so they can explain to me why I feel disturbed for seeing something I have always wanted to see.

{ I already know the answer}

This life of mine is like a tug-of-war. Between the everyday and the not-so-everyday. No wonder I doubt even myself.

Then again, I guess I would be insane if I didn't doubt it all?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Apr, 2009, 6:37am

@ Raz/EPO/Q

Thanks, your comments are always enlightening and very funny in their own way ;).

Addendum:

Another thought that occurs to me is a highly probable situation down the road.

Considering how handled I have been in my life (and my family). I have to logically assume one thing that bothers me and runs through my mind over and over again.

If some "unknown" like my group has a stake in the outcome of my life [managing it, education, caretaker roles etc]. Then it stands to reason there is an end game at some point. A goal.

And I wonder deeply over so many mysterious comments in my past, some written and some not, in this thread.

I wonder if at some point...whether or not it will be necessary to meet them [again] in person.

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Trivia:

You know while editing my last post, I realized that my mind kept unconsciously saying "again" when I was thinking about whether I would have to meet them....again?

Why does that pop into my mind? The word "again" implies that I have met them once. To my knowledge I have never seen a parked UFO with beings stepping out. So I wonder why my mind unconsciously put it that way. "?Again?"

I wonder if there is something in my subconscious being alluded to?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by quarian on 22 Apr, 2009, 6:53am


22 Apr, 2009, 6:37am, fore wrote:

If some "unknown" like my group has a stake in the outcome of my life [managing it, education, caretaker roles etc]. Then it stands to reason there is an end game at some point. A goal.

And I wonder deeply over so many mysterious comments in my past, some written and some not, in this thread.

I wonder if at some point...whether or not it will be necessary to meet them [again] in person.

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Trivia:

You know while editing my last post, I realized that my mind kept unconsciously saying "again" when I was thinking about whether I would have to meet them....again?

Why does that pop into my mind? The word "again" implies that I have met them once. To my knowledge I have never seen a parked UFO with beings stepping out. So I wonder why my mind unconsciously put it that way. "?Again?"

I wonder if there is something in my subconscious being alluded to?


Fore, I guess I'm confused. I thought that you were aware of your abductions or contacts by your "group". I seem to recall an instance where they helped you with a heart condition or something similar?

BTW, sorry things are tough right now. Hang in there! I appreciate your posts and the info within them - aquarian.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Apr, 2009, 6:59am


22 Apr, 2009, 6:53am, quarian wrote:

22 Apr, 2009, 6:37am, fore wrote:

If some "unknown" like my group has a stake in the outcome of my life [managing it, education, caretaker roles etc]. Then it stands to reason there is an end game at some point. A goal.

And I wonder deeply over so many mysterious comments in my past, some written and some not, in this thread.

I wonder if at some point...whether or not it will be necessary to meet them [again] in person.

============================================

Trivia:

You know while editing my last post, I realized that my mind kept unconsciously saying "again" when I was thinking about whether I would have to meet them....again?

Why does that pop into my mind? The word "again" implies that I have met them once. To my knowledge I have never seen a parked UFO with beings stepping out. So I wonder why my mind unconsciously put it that way. "?Again?"

I wonder if there is something in my subconscious being alluded to?


Fore, I guess I'm confused. I thought that you were aware of your abductions or contacts by your "group". I seem to recall an instance where they helped you with a heart condition or something similar?

BTW, sorry things are tough right now. Hang in there! I appreciate your posts and the info within them - aquarian.
I mean in a "phased in" state. Where they aren't using "phasing technology" that allows them to remain optically invisible or pass through walls.

The kind where you can catch them on a film camera in "techni-color". ;)

Or poke them with a sharp stick and show your texan neighbors something new.

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As far as I understand, they won't let down their guard and let your see them or touch them if you aren't

1) paralyzed and/or tranquilized and/or unconscious or immobile

or

2) They trust that you won't hurt them or do anything they don't like.

They become fully touchable and film-able to any camera and seen by the naked eye and 5 common senses.

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it isn't necessary for them to phase-in in order to interact and communicate. Only during abductions would it really be necessary.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by quarian on 22 Apr, 2009, 7:32am

Fore, I've always wanted to ask:

In your heart of hearts...... in your gut: do you trust the Males intentions? Do you trust your Advisor?

Many have little to fall back on in their lives - perhaps just dreams and faith. You have....a little extra. And I'm just curious how you feel about "them".


-AQ

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Apr, 2009, 11:28am


22 Apr, 2009, 7:32am, quarian wrote:
Fore, I've always wanted to ask:

In your heart of hearts...... in your gut: do you trust the Males intentions? Do you trust your Advisor?

Many have little to fall back on in their lives - perhaps just dreams and faith. You have....a little extra. And I'm just curious how you feel about "them".


-AQ
It's a complicated feeling.

Do I trust the males? Hmm, if I go just by my gut, in a sense Yes. And in another sense No.

I have learned to understand that they don't "care" for me. They are indifferent in an emotional and mental capacity.

It is their "duty" or "task" (how I see it for now) to make sure nothing happens to me. But does that mean I should place any trust in the males?

Only if they are ordered to a "task" by their supervisors that coincides with my own objective. If we are both going the same way in a goal then they can be trusted. If not, then they can't be.

They are liars. They love to lie until they understand you aren't buying what they are selling. Once they understand that they aren't going to be able to pass a turd for a sandwich. They give up and start talking to you like a normal person would.

Or it could be the ones who run the group itself that told them to suspend their stupid efforts. ???

Once I realized they were no longer playing mind games they are simple and to the point. They [care] "give me attention" if I am having physical problems.

They are aware of my problems before I am aware of it. They do a house visit and check me and tell me what I should do or they have another team of ET strangers come in and (usually very nice people) they take care of the problem with their hand held "?devices?". Or they perform examinations in place of the males.

When their "directives" are pointing in a favorable way, they can be trusted. When they aren't pointing your way, then they can't be.

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Do I trust the males?

I don't see why I should. As long as they are performing their tasks and they are following through and those tasks don't involve harming me directly, then they can be trusted in their ability to....perform their task.

Would you want to have a conversation with them? Probably not.

Only if it is technical in nature and they are open to sharing information. They are indifferent for the most part. They only get angry or frustrated when I don't "help" or allow them to complete their task.

They can be considered the arms and legs of the ET group that I know. Nothing else.

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The Advisor.....

She is harder to explain when it comes to trust. I would usually sleep on it and think on it for a few days. But I will try to figure out my "gut feeling" by shooting from the hip in this post.

My gut feelings on trusting her are VERY complicated.

It's difficult to put it into words.

She is a nice person and very easy going when she is in a good mood. Which is most of the time. The rest of the time she is either frustrated or patient with me when I don't follow along "with the program" that she is supposed to do with me.

Trust in her is a complicated issue. She is thee most complicated person I have ever meet (IMO).

I am weary when she is doing something along the lines of the groups agenda. Sometimes that involves lying or mis-direction on her part.

In that case, my trust in her is dubious at best. But to her credit she does try to at least be honest in her ways.

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When she is on her best behavior she is a person you can place your trust in. She will be there when you need her and she always knows (somehow) the answers to everything.

So I feel comfort and trust in that.

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But she sometimes uses you emotionally to follow through with her objectives. Most of the times the objectives are a mystery until *after* they are fulfilled and then you realize what she was up to. :-/

In those cases, I have held on to a long standing grudge like a chasm the size and depth of the Mariana trench.

And she knows that is what will happen. But she does it nonetheless and quietly expresses her guilt in doing it...over time.

Many bad emotions and mistrust in that sense lie in my heart and guts.

The built up emotions keep me from wanting to see her again for several reasons. It also brings within me a rabid fear when she is nearby because, she is and can be, very controlling.

I have a weakness in my personality from growing up around her, that I always defer to the wisest person around me out of habit and recognition of her wisdom and mental prowess. The person who is the smartest is whom I yield to. Perhaps a personality "defect" of mine. I yield my decisions to the "miss know it all".

And her uncommon abilities have always been trustworthy in my view. But at the same time it has been at her discretion rather than mine. So her decisions and her status in my mind make for a dangerous cocktail.

She is so smart and knowledgeable that it stands to reason that she "knows better". So I regularly used to defer my own view points and took hers at a glance. Not knowing that I unwitting allowing her to instill a massive level of control over me and the decisions I made in life.

In that way, she had me by the "nads". I could *never* compete with her knowledge about any given situation or her intellect. So I tried desperately to beat her at her mental prowess and her knowledge in things. That is why I sometimes exhibit a very <cough> "competitive attitude" in discussions. With nordics like her you have to go for the intellectual jugular and take no survivors.

(Yeah I miss that about her)

Most of the time I failed to out-do her and I never could really compete in most arguments or win in a debate. I still think she let me try anyway because I bet it made me more astute. But she was always smarter...far more capable psi wise, and almost always out-classed me in so many ways.

So I did the lazy thing, I let her do the thinking and just waited for the results on what should be done next. I stopped trying to beat her out of a sense of personal achievement and relegated it more towards entertainment.

Which obviously had detrimental consequences in how smart I perceived myself to be. How does a dim candle compare to a 5 kilowatt spot light? You just can't compete. She was just always right and I was just never quite "enough" to reach her impossible level.

I found one day that I placed too much trust in that and I found that I deferred my own freewill in making choices to someone who would always make the right decisions.

It was this dis-empowerment that keeps me afraid (in a sense) of meeting her once again. I have been practicing day and night to make my own decisions and rely on my own intellect and knowledge (the bulk of which came from her...the irony!) to make critical decisions.

The outcomes are never quite as good as hers especially without the aide of psi abilities. My performance in decision making is "sub-par" IMO (many mistakes) but at least this are my decisions and I am not depending on someone else to "know better" for me.

So in that sense my Trust in her is bruised and beaten. She took advantage of the situation long ago.

[She did on the last days of our time together apologize deeply and near the end...I noticed that she noticed...that it was detrimental to me.]

I am reluctant to return into that kind of relationship. If we have a relationship in the future, it will have to be somehow worked out that I do not become subordinate to her again.

I need to be independent enough of them and keep my own head when dealing with her in the future. In that...when I put my foot down, she doesn't try to correct me or tell me different. That my decision are respected and honored even if they "know better".

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But at the same time I have never trusted someone in the way I have trusted her. She actually cares in her own way and that causes plenty of consternation in the ET group.

She didn't limit herself in how much she expressed herself when we were still together. And that part I love about her. And in that I can trust.

But she had a very strong personality that when coupled with her advanced intellect and her superior knowledge, you doubt yourself, to the point that you don't know if you should trust yourself or not.


In the end, trusting oneself in making decisions is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to me. It's a treasure that I found when my contacts went into a hiatus. To have enough space to separate myself from their influence was invaluable to me. It gave me time to look over the past and find the things I considered errors and to implement changes so that I was satisfied in where my life was going. Not where it was being led. (which I haven't been entirely successful)

I'll defend that right like a tiger. (corny as that sounds)

In retrospect, I found that she made the "right" decisions. But they were decisions that served *her purpose and interests*.

While most could probably review my life and say they were "technically right" decisions. The decisions lacked any embedded "self interest" on my part. The goals being met were *not my own*. They served my groups self interest and not *my interest*.

It's like planning your life around a strangers interest or goals and not your own. At the end of it you feel *empty* and like you *wasted time* and achieved goals that you never cared about in the first place.

That is the *core story* of the last 25+ years of my life. That is why my trust is shaken but not entirely shattered.

I trust different individuals for a specific reasons. But I do not trust these for other specific reasons.

It's not a clear cut case of Trust or Dis-Trust. If only life were that simple.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 22 Apr, 2009, 11:35am


22 Apr, 2009, 6:28am, fore wrote:
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I feel that I am not my own owner. That my life is just a precisely controlled probation or something. That somehow I feel like there is always a hidden hand in what is going to be done with my life.

When the advisor (in the past) started telling me about my life years into the future from where I was. I felt like my life wasn't my own. That somehow I was just a participant in someone elses plans.


With numerology and astrology I have noticed this threw out my life.

For example

Jim Brown : February 17, 1936
Michael Jordan: February 17, 1963

Howard Stern: January 12, 1954
Rush Limbaugh: January 12, 1951

Lebron James: December 30, 1984
Tiger Woods: December 30, 1975

So dude it's ment to be don't worry about it

Don't take this in stride and just focus on what u can control

also

"Sometimes I wonder if my skepticism isn't as strong because of my experiences. I often find myself being mired in the thick of it and yet somehow am unable to accept it's reality. Somehow I keep looking for another answer even if it defies logic."

Ya me too =\

I think its just human anatomy
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Apr, 2009, 11:40am

@ Quarian

If you ask me if I trust where the end game is going...then NO.

I never like to walk into something blind. They keep secrets from me. And they tell me only what they want me to know.

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I don't like this situation. And I don't know who ultimate runs my ET group.


I know of the Grey Males and their Supervisors. (which I suspect might just be taller greys?)

I know of the Advisor and her cranky Supervisor. (which is probably a humanoid who is pretty d**n tall)

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But if they find it prudent to keep me ignorant then that means that they have something which they don't trust me with. Meaning they have a decided that knowing it will impact their objectives.

Once, (very recently) one of the males answered me while I was bemoaning my ignorance. It all finally made sense and I was happy as hell. I tried to tell IVO at once as I understood it finally.

The little bastards (grey males) told me that it was a secret and IVO could not know. And I defied them and started typing it up in a hurry, and they went ahead and blocked it out of my memory in less than a moment.

<Insert plenty of expletives>

I should have kept my mouth shut.

Maybe if I promise to not tell anyone they will let me remember what I am not supposed to remember.

(now I understand the title of Katharina Wilsons book!)

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Anyway, point is, I do not know who is above the supervisors. I don't know if I have ever met them or not. Who knows what it could be.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by olddood on 22 Apr, 2009, 1:04pm

Fore,
I have stayed out of your thread for the most part on purpose.
I really had nothing to add or contribute so I decided not to clog it up anymore with my posts. ;)
I believe you have had these experiences and I do not doubt what you are telling us at all...

However, have you ever asked yourself that maybe ALL of your memories & experiences have been planted?
What are they called? 'Screen Memories'?
To what ever end these beings are after?

Like I said I do not doubt that you have had these experiences but, I have to still wonder IF you have been played/fooled to 'remember' what they want you to remember.
(I hope this comes out correctly...I do not mean to offend...I have not walked in your shoes)

I also wonder what your 'Life Review' will be like when you pass on from this 3D world into the Afterlife.
THAT has got to answer all of your questions.... :)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 22 Apr, 2009, 4:24pm

You say you never like to walk into something blind.

But your entire situation is out of control. And on some level this is how you have designed it and are living it.

From reading your thread, while I was banned(I only got like 30 pages deep) I couldn't help but sense a type of contradiction on some level.

Your psychology is at some critical point not congruent with itself.

And I am always asking myself, when reading your other posts not in this thread, "Why."

Why don't you take control?

Do you really think you are just a toy in the hands of some ascendant invisible power?

You imply that you have some, even small, level of ongoing communication with these entities, why don't you communicate with them, why don't you WANT to take control. Why do you sit back and use this place as an outlet for your frustrations?

Do you think you are incapable of standing toe to toe with another conscious entity and taking what is yours.

If it were me, I would want to be actively involved. It seems like you are content with what they give you, and are convinced that they hold the chain around your neck.

But no one does.

I'll bet my life that you can join their circle, you just haven't adjusted your frame of mind to be in accord with whatever they are. You don't want to. Desire, true desire. I think thats what is holding you back.

And thats the hardest thing. You've lived a bunch of years and about a hundred of pages of what I would call the path of least resistance.

You should watch Lawrence of Arabia, and pay particular attention to the scene in the cave after Lawrence has returned from being tortured by the turks.

I think that movie basically mirrors your situation perfectly.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Apr, 2009, 5:32pm


22 Apr, 2009, 1:04pm, olddood wrote:
Fore,
I have stayed out of your thread for the most part on purpose.
I really had nothing to add or contribute so I decided not to clog it up anymore with my posts. ;)
I believe you have had these experiences and I do not doubt what you are telling us at all...

However, have you ever asked yourself that maybe ALL of your memories & experiences have been planted?
What are they called? 'Screen Memories'?
To what ever end these beings are after?

Like I said I do not doubt that you have had these experiences but, I have to still wonder IF you have been played/fooled to 'remember' what they want you to remember.
(I hope this comes out correctly...I do not mean to offend...I have not walked in your shoes)

I also wonder what your 'Life Review' will be like when you pass on from this 3D world into the Afterlife.
THAT has got to answer all of your questions.... :)
I have only ever identified one "screen memory". At least if you define a screen memory as a false memory that never happened.

As I have said before, I suspect there are one or two screen memories at the very beginning of this thread. The ones where the foundation is laid as to what the history is behind the advisor and myself. I suspect this is a "coupling technique" in use by design. If you form a strong illusion of a relationship then of course it facilitates cooperation.

I noticed it being used in others and repeated over and over again. One such site that referred to at least some of this was the site called http://www.alienlovebite.com/

I call them suspect memories. Because they conveniently paint a picture of integration or continuity with her, that if true, should pan out perfectly. Which to date they have not. :o ;)

They seem fine with letting me remember the bulk of my conscious experiences. But I do not doubt that there are memories which they have made me forget in my early childhood. That is evident from the recovery of fragments that I get.

In fact, they point out and make reference to memories which I do not recall from my extreme early childhood. So they don't hide the fact that they do suppress memories. Nor do they hide the fact that they can.

Since I was five years old they sought permission to do so and you can see that at the beginning of this thread. When a contract was formed at age 5 to work with them. (technically the advisor actually)


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I also noticed that most people I have studied never tend to remember their experiences for more than a few days into the past on average. Either it is not important to them (I have concluded) or they have very selective remembrance of general topics.

And in my own case, I noticed that I (for some reason) recall of events that are long passed. Sometimes I get the details wrong but the vast majority is retained. I only need to coax my memory a bit and think about it long enough and it comes back to me.

I suspect a very low percentage of my memories are "screen memories". They don't seem to use it in my case as most of the interactive experiences are conscious and they appear to want me to remember them.

Sometimes they selectively suppress memories when I am trying to write about something. Because as I said a long time ago, they appear to want "editorial control" over just how much I talk about and what subjects are touched upon.

It stands to reason they would, considering what has been revealed over the course of 25 years. But I suspect they are probably doing some mis-direction or sorts by saying don't type about this or that knowing that I eventually will....given enough time.

I believe when it is a topic they truly don't want "out there" they start the regular escalation routine to make sure it never gets written.

In either case, I suspect a very low level of screen memories. Since I have others who can jog my memory about the past. I lived it with them. Since my experiences are important enough to me, I make it a point to remember some of it. I guess that is a big difference than most people who are not relating with any "entities" and therefore do not need to recall the majority of their life experience.

Their lives are about the moment and therefore, I suspect, the remembrance or recall of events is extremely low. While the bulk of my attention has usually been (until recently) about them and retaining information that they chose to have revealed and shared. Or that I have sought to understand without their blessing by observing and cataloging various details.

You might say, it is my "lifes work" of sorts. A thorn in the *ss that I tried to understand and spent time consuming and cataloging and trying to understand.

Formulating experiments to see if there was a reaction with so and so entity etc.

If it's going to stampede into my life, then I might as well learn what it is.

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Note: Once Garuda and I were talking about "screen memories". And something called NPC (or NPR) something like that.

When Garuda had me recall the advisor he had me notice which direction my eyes moved. Supposedly there is a theory that the movement of the eyes determines what part of the brain is being used in a recall.

Judges use these behavioral patterns to determine whether someone is lying since your eyes dart in a certain direction when your brain is accessing real information vs when your lying or making something up.

Upon figuring out that my eye movement was indicating that I was recalling memories of the advisor. There appeared to be something that set off alarms "up there".

My males in my group noticed what we were doing, and with some delay, I noticed that I suddenly became unable to recall any memories of the advisor. How absurd is that as a possibility?

I personally suspect that they don't want that kind of tests performed.

Dood, I think they have alot to hide. Who knows what else is hidden in the dark corners?

(The males do not like Garuda at all.)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Apr, 2009, 6:29pm


22 Apr, 2009, 4:24pm, dylan wrote:
You say you never like to walk into something blind.

But your entire situation is out of control. And on some level this is how you have designed it and are living it.

From reading your thread, while I was banned(I only got like 30 pages deep) I couldn't help but sense a type of contradiction on some level.

Your psychology is at some critical point not congruent with itself.
Could you elaborate?


22 Apr, 2009, 4:24pm, dylan wrote:
And I am always asking myself, when reading your other posts not in this thread, "Why."

Why don't you take control?
Continue to read the other 100 pages to find out how difficult that really is.

You have to understand the people and the capabilities to figure out what your realistic chances are. And even so, I have always tried. More so, in the recent times than in the past.

But how can you counteract their level of control when they exert it in such an abnormal way?

I honestly do not know if I am alone in my kind of experience.

Certainly it is not the average mainstream version of ET interaction. But there must be others as the grey males and the advisor have stated that there are 100,000+ more like me living in the same conditions.

That I am not alone and they also live in seclusion.

So I strongly suspect there are others out there. There must be. Otherwise I pulled the joker from the deck of cards.

In fact, in a sick way, I sometimes think and I wonder if the only reason I am allowed to type as much as I do...is simply because they want something out of this. Maybe some sort of reference material of some kind that they can direct the others to.

Maybe a detailed account of an individual just like the other alleged 100k. Who can look to and derive some level of comfort in knowing someone else is going through that with them.

[Maybe not, I've just been told it's all about me. I guess a portal to vent through just for my own "enjoyment". ::)]


22 Apr, 2009, 4:24pm, dylan wrote:
Do you really think you are just a toy in the hands of some ascendant invisible power?

You imply that you have some, even small, level of ongoing communication with these entities, why don't you communicate with them, why don't you WANT to take control. Why do you sit back and use this place as an outlet for your frustrations?


Think about it for a moment.

Communicate what? Go where? Where can I go where they won't follow?

I moved 1500 miles and it took them only 3 or 4 days for the Grey males to locate me again. (even though it was all planned out by the advisor herself. It's not like I was "escaping" anywhere.)


Better yet, I will do you one better. Your an intelligent guy so I want to see what you can do or come up with.

I will do what you say and communicate whatever you ask me to communicate. I will let you drive my shoes for a bit and lets see what the response is.

Chuck away your diplomatic cap and tell me what I should say. What magic words do I utter to *really* be free of them?


22 Apr, 2009, 4:24pm, dylan wrote:
Do you think you are incapable of standing toe to toe with another conscious entity and taking what is yours.
Stand toe to toe? Impossible. Even with my psi abilities turn on, I was never able to gain more than a stalemate. But lets assume your are right.

"Take what is mine"...lets see if you advice pans out. I am open to suggestions. Take a hop in the drivers seat and give me the directions.


22 Apr, 2009, 4:24pm, dylan wrote:
If it were me, I would want to be actively involved. It seems like you are content with what they give you, and are convinced that they hold the chain around your neck.

But no one does.
I'll renew some hope and assume you are correct. I want to know what you propose. (read the other 100 pages when you have time to get the full breadth of the problem and the solutions done so far.


22 Apr, 2009, 4:24pm, dylan wrote:
I'll bet my life that you can join their circle, you just haven't adjusted your frame of mind to be in accord with whatever they are. You don't want to. Desire, true desire. I think thats what is holding you back.
It's possible.

I have no desire to work with them. I have never considered stopping any resistance and simply going along complicit with whatever they want.

Then again, my running assessment is that it would be a really bad deal.


22 Apr, 2009, 4:24pm, dylan wrote:
And thats the hardest thing. You've lived a bunch of years and about a hundred of pages of what I would call the path of least resistance.
Perhaps that is a fair assessment.

I have been turning this puzzle piece over and over and over for so long that I am tapped out. I don't know what else I should try at this point.

I'll bring your name to the forefront and ask or apply whatever it is that you deem prudent.

I'll be your proxy and you can try out any manner of social experiments or speeches and lecture them at length about the finer points of any topic you please. Go at it and have a field day.

But if they visit you with a shiny probe, I can't be held responsible. Especially if you find your life suddenly tanking big time (please report if that happens by the way).

I recall you said you wanted contact experience. So lets give you your chance and see if you can get a personal relationship with them going. I guarantee no positive outcomes though.

When you rock the boat usually something really bad happens in a big way. But that's the nominal risk people take on in these cases.

Please report back any anomalies in your relationship such as sudden turmoil. Anything abnormal or any visits.

In the meantime, I will relegate myself to simply being a hub of communication for you and I will be paying attention and reporting back whatever there is as a result of whatever you are proposing.


22 Apr, 2009, 4:24pm, dylan wrote:
You should watch Lawrence of Arabia, and pay particular attention to the scene in the cave after Lawrence has returned from being tortured by the turks.

I think that movie basically mirrors your situation perfectly.


What year is the film made on? I will try to look it up.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 22 Apr, 2009, 7:42pm

So many things.

First and Foremost, Lawrence of Arabia is among about ten films all tied for the honour of being the best film ever made. I can't believe you haven't seen it. You should drop everything and peep it, because I really think you are Lawrence and The Aliens are The British and The Arabs are Humanity. It was made in '62, you can download it in High Quality on the internet at The Pirate Bay as part of the Criterion Collection, it'll be 4.5 gigs.

Secondly, thank you for your response, there is so much there.


Quote:
Think about it for a moment.


I have.


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Communicate what? Go where? Where can I go where they won't follow?

I moved 1500 miles and it took them only 3 or 4 days for the Grey males to locate me again. (even though it was all planned out by the advisor herself. It's not like I was "escaping" anywhere.)


Better yet, I will do you one better. Your an intelligent guy so I want to see what you can do or come up with.

I will do what you say and communicate whatever you ask me to communicate. I will let you drive my shoes for a bit and lets see what the response is.

Chuck away your diplomatic cap and tell me what I should say. What magic words do I utter to *really* be free of them?


What I am saying is not running and hiding but meeting your fate, face to face. You don't want to have anything to do with them? Ok, then don't. You indicate that this is so, but you continue to communicate with them.

I love your offer though, of communicating through you... which is impossible.

I guess you just mean me coaching you on what you should say and how you should act and what devices to employ in the psychological game to get what you want.

But again, thats not what I am talking about. I am talking about the tragic flaw within you, that you must first recognize and then conquer. And it is the fact that you don't really want what you think you want. And this is sort of the elaboration you asked for on the evident variability of your psychology. Its that you say you want one thing, but I am not entirely convinced. In the end, I sense that you simply want to feel a sense of belonging and a sense of worth and purpose.... don't you know that these are feelings that drive EVERYONE. Each of our lives are an exercise in trying to gain acceptance satisfaction and peer approval. You stand alone? No. We manifest this exact same relationship each in our different ways.

We all have a tragic flaw. Mine is mine. Yours is yours.

It would do no good for me to speak for you, or through you even if it was possible.

However much of a tempting proposition that is, I can't accept it out of a sense of worth when I think about you as an individual. If I had the arrogance to do so, it would mean I think of you not as an equal. Or set myself up as someone who knows better.

But don't let that stop you from telling these ETs about Dylan from New York, and that I might be a better tool for their devices. How awesome would that be.

If I thought it would help, I would tell you to tell them to come see me and leave you alone, or to tell them that I'll act as your stand in and come bother me.



But then I think you might miss the point of my original post, and it is; you have to somehow come to terms with reality, abandon whatever ideas you had about how you fit into the world, or how you think you should fit or want to fit, and your own personal desires, when you learn to let them go, the people you have loved will love and do love, and the things that hold sway over your heart and mind, not physical things but ideas and philosophies then you will be rewarded with something new and wonderful, you wont have to run away from reality like a bitch, you can meet it like a man.... with a smile and a laugh.

Nature respects that. From schoolyard psychology to the most complex tactics the most intelligent beings I have ever known all look favourably on such behaviour whether consciously or subconsciously.

Good luck.

P.S. Seriously though, tell them about me. Lets see if anything happens. Maybe then we can all work together.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 22 Apr, 2009, 10:31pm

Considering the issues you are dealing with, how has prayer helped you? You might have discussed this on other occasions in other threads, but I don't really look at the religion threads here.

Edit: Luckily, I have a horrible memory and end up reviewing things I've already read and catch things that I forgot to touch on...

I would suggest that you don't do the immoral thing sir, just out of principle. For one, the ridiculously cheap rent would lead to, possibly, a poor financial situation for the place, so just roll with it. I would say that you aren't insane because you experience what you experience and nobody else does. Nobody is really sane, as sanity seems to be a consensus agreement on acceptable levels of chaos. Aldous Huxley wrote about this as he discussed the the inner universe and outer universe in his essay, Doors of Perception.

In this, you are simultaneously alone and in the same boat as every person on Earth, especially when you are afforded the "luxury" of allowing yourself to turn off your abilities.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Apr, 2009, 11:36pm

@ Dylan

After some soul searching I found out your completely right.

I do want to have contact experience. I just don't like the group I was given. I don't like the methods employed. I don't like the lack of honest communication (when it most counts).

They are appreciated (in their own way) and they have shown to me alot but they will never quite fulfill what I was always hoping to have with them. I came to that conclusion almost ten years ago.

They are unreliable at times and they suck sometimes. While I do want an escalating contact experience, I just don't want them. Even if they escalated their interaction to full fledge out of your door meetings. I don't think I'd ever really be happy with it at all.

I don't think I can really make my relationship with them work since the problem doesn't lay with me. I could never exert any control in this relationship. That does not make me happy at all.

In realizing this, I realize they kept their planned promise to fruition. Multiple UFO sightings, controlled OBE's for me to study etc. If they keep their end of the bargain and complete the last and most significant agreement. I might not be able to say NO anymore.

[One of the males doesn't want me to express myself in that way. "As if I am being held hostage...". They also tell me not to say what that last agreement is, warning that if I do, they will not fulfill it.]

But I realize if I go any further I'll never be able to say No. If I go down this rabbit hole any deeper, then i'll only get more entangled and will never let go. Or I won't be able to let go and seek something better...

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Background activity:

[ As I am writing this one the males is directing his thoughts at me. Telling me it is "alright" if I don't wish to do this anymore. When I ask if I get to "walk away" without repercussions he says I can and nothing will happen to me if I choose to end it with them.

(I don't believe him to be honest...)

I suspect they are planning to use the last agreement's fulfillment to thrust me back into the thick of it all. Hes saying "no, that isn't the case". I asked them if they will fulfill that last part of our agreement. He is saying he does not know and it will be under discussion.]

[He asked me to walk away from "this" and take a break or sleep on it. As in immediately.]

[Earlier than that he said they could go silent and give me ~mental equivalent of a few months~ to think about it. He is referring to my question of whether they will respect my decision.]

Something is wrong with this picture. Their behavior is abnormally passive. There is no anger or urgency. It's just a bunch of extremely passive responses.

[They asked me to delete my entire post. I almost did give in to the impulse to simply scrap it.]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 23 Apr, 2009, 12:30am

If I were you, and had the proofs that you have, I'd say "F**k It" to everything else, my life, my job, whatever. And I'd sort my relationship out with these dudes first. Maybe that's what they are waiting for.

I am sitting in skepticism weighing the matter to a nicety on my scales, I really have no idea. I sit here and marvel at how you deal with each other and how you basically vent your frustrations here.

I don't care if they are gods, I am going to talk to them about my feelings and tell them how weird they are acting and demand answers for certain things that I need to know. And that is why I said you need to stand toe to toe with these dudes if you feel like your heart and mind is being kidnapped. If you really feel like you can't then you are already lost.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 23 Apr, 2009, 1:19am

I am reminded of the movie Gladiator where the Centurion tells his men to sheath their swords.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wingsofcrystal on 23 Apr, 2009, 3:02am


22 Apr, 2009, 11:36pm, fore wrote:
@ Dylan

After some soul searching I found out your completely right.

I do want to have contact experience. I just don't like the group I was given. I don't like the methods employed. I don't like the lack of honest communication (when it most counts).

They are appreciated (in their own way) and they have shown to me alot but they will never quite fulfill what I was always hoping to have with them. I came to that conclusion almost ten years ago.

They are unreliable at times and they suck sometimes. While I do want an escalating contact experience, I just don't want them. Even if they escalated their interaction to full fledge out of your door meetings. I don't think I'd ever really be happy with it at all.

I don't think I can really make my relationship with them work since the problem doesn't lay with me. I could never exert any control in this relationship. That does not make me happy at all.

In realizing this, I realize they kept their planned promise to fruition. Multiple UFO sightings, controlled OBE's for me to study etc. If they keep their end of the bargain and complete the last and most significant agreement. I might not be able to say NO anymore.

[One of the males doesn't want me to express myself in that way. "As if I am being held hostage...". They also tell me not to say what that last agreement is, warning that if I do, they will not fulfill it.]

But I realize if I go any further I'll never be able to say No. If I go down this rabbit hole any deeper, then i'll only get more entangled and will never let go. Or I won't be able to let go and seek something better...

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Background activity:

[ As I am writing this one the males is directing his thoughts at me. Telling me it is "alright" if I don't wish to do this anymore. When I ask if I get to "walk away" without repercussions he says I can and nothing will happen to me if I choose to end it with them.

(I don't believe him to be honest...)

I suspect they are planning to use the last agreement's fulfillment to thrust me back into the thick of it all. Hes saying "no, that isn't the case". I asked them if they will fulfill that last part of our agreement. He is saying he does not know and it will be under discussion.]

[He asked me to walk away from "this" and take a break or sleep on it. As in immediately.]

[Earlier than that he said they could go silent and give me ~mental equivalent of a few months~ to think about it. He is referring to my question of whether they will respect my decision.]

Something is wrong with this picture. Their behavior is abnormally passive. There is no anger or urgency. It's just a bunch of extremely passive responses.

[They asked me to delete my entire post. I almost did give in to the impulse to simply scrap it.]


This is exactly why I don't want anything to do with the "visitors". You are a hostage. No personal autonomy at all. I can't even begin to imagine how frustrating and galling it must be for you Fore. It's just wrong.
Crystal
edit: I'm sorry if I said anything offensive Fore. I shouldn't open my mouth when I have never had a contact experience. I'm talking when I should be listening.........
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 23 Apr, 2009, 7:44am


23 Apr, 2009, 12:30am, dylan wrote:
If I were you, and had the proofs that you have, I'd say "F**k It" to everything else, my life, my job, whatever. And I'd sort my relationship out with these dudes first. Maybe that's what they are waiting for.


Yeah, well communication is a two part process. They haven't offered me anything of equal value for my participation in any endeavor.

They don't leave behind any evidence and enforce rules that prevents any collection of evidence about their activities.

Yet that doesn't stop them from appearing on other peoples radar.

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But so what? In the end it is our (the experiencers) word that is left to prove any activity took place.

They play in the shadows unseen in their activities. While I may be aware of *some of it* and know it for a fact. I am left with no way to show proof of that definitively. They have strict rules they enforce for strictly that reason.

Without proof it is my word against the worlds.

So even though I know they are "there" and moving about and performing activities in hidden ways, and they know it as well. No objective evidence exist of their activity. I can tell people about what they tell me, and that in itself is some form of circumstantial evidence. Only...lots of circumstantial evidence.

They like that, because it is unprovable. It's something insubstantial and unprovable even if everyone who has ever read this thread has personal experience or personal meetings.

When I have the potential to prove something because they left some evidence behind, they play this "mind game" (somehow) where they state that no one will believe me if I show this or that. That I might as well not try and save myself the redicule. They play the mind game that I'll be absolutely ridiculed if I try to show something. So I shouldn't try.

And that in itself sounds like something I wouldn't fall for given my intelligence and intimate knowledge of their games. But 9 out of 10 times somehow it works. Somehow I become convinced the proof is "never good enough".

So I let the opportunity pass by. And they are the ones who benefit from it.

--If they come in person and they are walking about, and I get the bright idea of getting my camera to try snapping some pictures of where they should be. They do their little mind trick where I am supposedly "doing something wrong" in trying to film them or to get them on some media to show others.

--If they perform an event they hide until I meet their requirements. Or they got me in the most inopportune time.

--If its information about their activities or capabilities they impose limits on the level of details I can relay or reiterate. And if I don't agree with them, then they start their little escalation of inducing pseudo-pain and discomfort until I give in.

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Lets say for example that I get a visit by them and the radio goes dead or the power goes out for a moment. I am not allowed to write down the time it happened.

They also don't allow any extended observations of their activities.

Meaning I can't keep written logs on their activities to see if I can find any pattern to their behaviors. They allow it if I do it mentally. But nothing written down, ever.

I am not allowed to keep records on them. It's all by memory or they won't allow it.

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When I hop online and recount this and that. What do I really have? Just my memory of the event. As many facts as I can recall and as many observations I can recall.

I might even get interrupted in mid sentence when typing something up, and call my attention to step away. And after a conversation they will drill into me how they want me to drop such and such details from my account.

Or not to refer to this or that and to omit or drop this and that information.

In the end, it becomes a watered down version of what I would have originally written. But that makes them comfortable and they may use cozy sounding excuses to make me feel confident about leaving out tons of information.

So yeah, they get what they want and I never quite do.


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In the end, even if it happened and there were multiple witnesses it is solely based on my word alone.

There will be other people who observe the same and chime in and say they saw something like it. And I pique in interest and start mentioning details left and right that didn't originally make it into the first post.

So people start to either assume I am making it up, delusional, or a liar. But they don't understand how I know about the fine details that I commit to memory. (Even years and year later)

I can sense in general when people don't know what to think of my recounting of the past. They see that I posted information that was vague at first. And information that (I am gonna guess) is not found in books but is accurate with oodles of extra extended information. But they don't understand this complicated scenario that I paint about how I *obtained* the information.

So it easy to dismiss in some cases....and yet they may never be completely sure of what to make of it in the depth of knowledge that I express of this strange recounting of events in front of them.

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It is a complicated balancing act between what I really want to say and what they allow me to say or be explained without there being a really big issue creeping up around me.

I can't collect evidence and make a journal. So everything is committed to memory. (since I was small by the way)

So some Joe off the internet says "prove it Fore", "show me a UFO buzzing my house."

And then I am stuck. I turn my attention to ping them and wait till I get a response. I tell them this Joe wants this and such and such done for them. They say nothing. (ignore me)

Then I press the issue and they express disinterest. It doesn't seem to bring their agenda any benefits so why would they do anything? I understand that since I have known them for years and years.

So I end up in a sc**wed position. Into a state where I want to find a way to show people first hand.

But I am unable to show them proof. The rules of the game that they set is not unlike that of the insiders in our government. (that what I noticing when I talk to others in the staff)

It happening. I know it and people over here know it, and maybe other people around the world who I talk with know it too. But there is no proof of any of it left behind. It is just a bunch of people who experience something and then it is gone. No traces except in the minds and eyeballs of people.

Their kids may freak out upon seeing it. They may freak out upon seeing it. Their dogs freak may freak out upon seeing it.

But none of it means anything. At least not to people beyond the circle of direct experience. It is a dead end game.

Sometimes the males especially love to play a game of showing themselves or proving themselves to be present to select individuals by revealing info I shouldn't be able to know. So that I can therefore relay back to a specific person (or people).

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A power play on their part.

Select individuals begin to believe or see that I am not pulling anyone's leg about what goes on over here.

When the detractors say that ole' Fore is "crazy"...those that were given the "confidence boost" realize that I am being (rightfully so) run over by the "proof bus".

That's why I understand the skeptics I come across. I know their position. I know they are "right" (in a technical sense). But my hands are virtually tied.

And those that know I am not pulling anyone's leg turn up to defend me. Sometimes in ways that make me cringe and sometimes in ways that I genuinely appreciate. Especially when people understand the tough position I am being shoved into.

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Then that causes people to grow in mis-givings thinking that I have a "fan club".

All the while the Grey males are with...(I guess?) their blank expressions somewhere above interested in the growing situation. Knowing that I can't do anything because they won't allow it. Knowing full well that I am in a fragile position where I cannot pull out a hunk of metal or a chopped off ET arm to put it on the table in front of people and say "hey see that, that's ET!"

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But mysteriously they sometimes direct me to do certain things and I know they are setting up a situation in the near future. I just sometimes don't know what that might be. A future where their agenda is somehow mysteriously empowered and another is not?

(my current guess)

All the while I am trying to figure out what they are up to and trying to make sure they aren't up to no good by making sure I don't become an unwitting party to some stunt they are trying to pull via me.

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Before they used to walk up to me or bring to my attention small subtle changes they wanted in my words or in the way the words are used.

They explained that "so and so" will do this and that. Then express mentally that someone will do something in relation to such and such situation. Since there seems to be no harm to it, I do as they ask (sometimes). And lo and behold, they are right and that person did exactly as they told me they would.

Then the other person feels confused because they don't understand how it went so badly for them. I keep to myself these events because it would put me in a touchy position to explain how I knew.

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(Anyone remember...whats his name...Tri-form?

That guy. Remember how the males knew that the guy would be leaving OMF in just a few days as we conspired to agitate the males?

Everything was set to agitate the males by discrediting my whole position. Instead, in the end, the males were three steps ahead of our plan and then without any reason I can fathom, they told me to wait a while before answering triform's challenge.

(Triform challenged the males [with my blessing] to name him by first and last name. The stakes was to be my credibility. I assumed that my credibility might mean something to the males. At least I assumed it might be if they kept tabs on the affairs of the forum, or even bothered to monitor it for that matter).

They simply ignored him and instructed me "to wait". But they never explained why. I didn't know tri-form would be leaving the forum just a few days later. And triform never satisfactorily explained why he left on such short notice. I dunno what ever happened to him.)

He left the forum and I haven't seen him since.

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God I have ranted long and hard these last two days.

But I want you guys to glimpse the story behind the scenes.


23 Apr, 2009, 12:30am, dylan wrote:
I am sitting in skepticism weighing the matter to a nicety on my scales, I really have no idea. I sit here and marvel at how you deal with each other and how you basically vent your frustrations here.

I don't care if they are gods, I am going to talk to them about my feelings and tell them how weird they are acting and demand answers for certain things that I need to know. And that is why I said you need to stand toe to toe with these dudes if you feel like your heart and mind is being kidnapped. If you really feel like you can't then you are already lost.


Easier said than done.

I dunno what to really say to this part of your text.

People think it's easy until they delve into it. Then they find what they thought was easy to control is actually incredibly hard to control.

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Want an easy example.

If you touch someones head with abilities like theirs (which I did have and still can when I turn "on" my psi abilities). You can make the person feel a pleasant experience in the center of their head.

The pleasant feeling seemingly makes them so at peace that you can stop them from being able to think very much. Like increasing the impedance to a thought process (if you do it right).

Go further and you'll mesmerize them.

Go further and you'll can probably make them fall asleep in a minute or two (a hypothesis I haven't yet tested fully).

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Try keeping your head and thoughts together while being subjected to that by a Grey and having powerful thoughts projected into your mind at close proximity.

Watch as your thoughts start to obey their incredible intent.

What? You think you should resist? Okay. go ahead.

Your going to notice your mind feels as if it is asleep but your still awake.

Your thoughts are lethargic and slow. Higher thoughts are hard to experience or very slow in forming.

Then they can apply...I don't have a name for it....kinda like a switching momentum in the mind. Where you feel that your thoughts become unsteady and your fighting to keep your mind stable as some other peering mentality is slowly taking over your thoughts processes.

I think this is what people call "entrainment".

What...you think "sheer force" is going to keep you going?

Apply pressure to your mind, you begin to feel like the blood in your body is flooding from your chest into your head. Your think that you are going to have your head explode and your only a hair from having a nose bleed.

Painful experience.

Not like real pain, but intense discomfort because you won't obey.

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Now at this point your typical abductee or contactee would be swiss cheese.

But beyond that point, you have another mind in yours controlling the flow of thoughts and how your brains hardware is operating.

You can hear the Greys mind speaking and directing thoughts.

Your start to notice you want to do something. Your mind is now directing *you* to sleep. Or to obey the command to go to your bed and sleep.

At this point most people would fail to keep their wits about them.

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But I could go father than that.

The above scenario comes from a situation at the hands of a medium size Grey. What I presume was an "abduction coordinator" (leader of an abduction squad?). It was three days before I met the smaller males face to face by accident.

That Grey failed to meet me in bed on that night. Only because I knew what was happening more or less even though I couldn't believe it.

I kept looking to my right and I kept thinking I saw a Grey in the window on the inside of the porch. I kept blinking by eyes because it looked very faint and transparent.

I scanned it's mind and did not recognize the stranger. But I couldn't believe I was seeing something there. I thought it must have been my imagination. Well...it was no imagination as I found out three days later and saw the same Grey again.

I kept this up for a few hours until daylight and until it gave up.

If you have a strategy that would allow you can stand toe to toe with something you cannot touch. I would love to know about it. I am all ears.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 23 Apr, 2009, 7:46am


23 Apr, 2009, 3:02am, wingsofcrystal wrote:

22 Apr, 2009, 11:36pm, fore wrote:
@ Dylan

After some soul searching I found out your completely right.

I do want to have contact experience. I just don't like the group I was given. I don't like the methods employed. I don't like the lack of honest communication (when it most counts).

They are appreciated (in their own way) and they have shown to me alot but they will never quite fulfill what I was always hoping to have with them. I came to that conclusion almost ten years ago.

They are unreliable at times and they suck sometimes. While I do want an escalating contact experience, I just don't want them. Even if they escalated their interaction to full fledge out of your door meetings. I don't think I'd ever really be happy with it at all.

I don't think I can really make my relationship with them work since the problem doesn't lay with me. I could never exert any control in this relationship. That does not make me happy at all.

In realizing this, I realize they kept their planned promise to fruition. Multiple UFO sightings, controlled OBE's for me to study etc. If they keep their end of the bargain and complete the last and most significant agreement. I might not be able to say NO anymore.

[One of the males doesn't want me to express myself in that way. "As if I am being held hostage...". They also tell me not to say what that last agreement is, warning that if I do, they will not fulfill it.]

But I realize if I go any further I'll never be able to say No. If I go down this rabbit hole any deeper, then i'll only get more entangled and will never let go. Or I won't be able to let go and seek something better...

================================================
Background activity:

[ As I am writing this one the males is directing his thoughts at me. Telling me it is "alright" if I don't wish to do this anymore. When I ask if I get to "walk away" without repercussions he says I can and nothing will happen to me if I choose to end it with them.

(I don't believe him to be honest...)

I suspect they are planning to use the last agreement's fulfillment to thrust me back into the thick of it all. Hes saying "no, that isn't the case". I asked them if they will fulfill that last part of our agreement. He is saying he does not know and it will be under discussion.]

[He asked me to walk away from "this" and take a break or sleep on it. As in immediately.]

[Earlier than that he said they could go silent and give me ~mental equivalent of a few months~ to think about it. He is referring to my question of whether they will respect my decision.]

Something is wrong with this picture. Their behavior is abnormally passive. There is no anger or urgency. It's just a bunch of extremely passive responses.

[They asked me to delete my entire post. I almost did give in to the impulse to simply scrap it.]


This is exactly why I don't want anything to do with the "visitors". You are a hostage. No personal autonomy at all. I can't even begin to imagine how frustrating and galling it must be for you Fore. It's just wrong.
Crystal
edit: I'm sorry if I said anything offensive Fore. I shouldn't open my mouth when I have never had a contact experience. I'm talking when I should be listening.........
That was true in the past. Not so much in the present I believe.

I have evolved some since then.

But you should ask yourself if my situation is all that unique. And how many more there might be.

(Never trust a Grey as I always say)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by iris on 23 Apr, 2009, 9:47am


23 Apr, 2009, 7:44am, fore wrote:

Apply pressure to your mind, you begin to feel like the blood in your body is flooding from your chest into your head. Your think that you are going to have your head explode and your only a hair from having a nose bleed.

Painful experience.

Not like real pain, but intense discomfort because you won't obey.


do they still do this to you?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 23 Apr, 2009, 10:52am


23 Apr, 2009, 9:47am, iris wrote:

23 Apr, 2009, 7:44am, fore wrote:

Apply pressure to your mind, you begin to feel like the blood in your body is flooding from your chest into your head. Your think that you are going to have your head explode and your only a hair from having a nose bleed.

Painful experience.

Not like real pain, but intense discomfort because you won't obey.


do they still do this to you?
No, not anymore. One day they simply stopped.

I dunno why. They just did. The last time was about a year or a year and half ago.

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I may be recalling this wrong.

They used to use the "standard technique". Which is a much less intense version than what is depicted above. That "standard technique" is what I described in my early days on OMF.

Then when that no longer worked because I wanted to talk about "too much" (according to them).

They seemingly switched to employing visitations instead and started scaring the "poop" out of me. Either by sending strangers in their absence or by visiting themselves. Always to intimidate me into silence.

It worked pretty well too. Then I kept pushing the envelope and they started threatening me about sending my case to the "agency". (whatever that might be)

Then several tall strangers that were like supervisors took over the males jobs and the males went into a hiatus for a while. These strangers reasoned with me...but mostly not on what I say.

They were interested almost exclusively on me not revealing times and dates of their comings and goings. They also talked or should I say expressed themselves in strange ways when using English.

Like they sometimes used the wrong context or they missed the actual correct intent of the words they were using.

That's when roughly a negotiation was held. Then the rest followed etc.

I still can't talk much about it much until (or if) they complete the agreement.

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One thing I have learned....or I should say realized more...is that there are alot of strangers that interact with my group.

There are many types I don't recognize. I just label them as strangers. For the most part the majority of the strangers are pretty nice and well educated in their mannerisms.

I cannot say the same of the males I have known for years.

Sometimes I think my group taints my views of the ET's in general.

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I would like to meet some stranger ET's who are *nice* and *honest* for once. I am afraid of asking the males to call down a supervisor since the supervisors have a way of convincing you.

The d**ndest thing is that they use solid reasoning to do it. Somehow they are always right. ???

I don't think I want to meet the supervisor of the advisor, hes a pretty cranky guy.

I am even more afraid to ask what is above the supervisors themselves. I don't even know who or what runs this specific ET group.

I am afraid to even ask.

(joke) Perhaps I should ask them to send whomever is at the very top to talk to dylan. If dylan comes out lobotomized, then I know it was a bad idea in the first place! (joke)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 23 Apr, 2009, 12:30pm

Frankly I believe that Dylan is probably quite a nice guy in some ways, and simply wants to be part of something bigger. I personally wouldn't wish him any harm, but if a few "trainee" members of another team were to visit him I'm sure he'd be ecstatic [not sure if the males can be trained to have a sense of humour or not].

So, you could alway pass that by the males. Thinking of which, no pressure, you could have a few moments of fun in getting them to name me by first, middle and last name ( it should be dead easy, just PM me if you'd like the fun, it proves nothing though as I already know you are the real deal ).

Now, you mentioned about the effects of a medium grey on someones mind, in my case that description of yours is 100% accurate. There is one little thing though, I was able to keep a small part of me operating enough that I could keep asking questions right up to knock-out, plus run tests on what was happening. I'd like to run more tests to see how that works, but I've not had any concious visitations since [ but I do have my suspicions ].

Now, as for you being afraid to ask, just ask, they can only say no after all, and their reaction to the question is quite a valuable insight. They, from what I have read, are not malicious and are actually quite kind in their own way [just in a very different way, but they appear to help you when you ask for help when they could simply say/do horrible things].

They also said to think for a couple of months on leaving their operation, key point is this, I'd say something would happen in that time frame which would make the matter moot, thus negating the issue [or at least that is my interpretation].
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by iris on 23 Apr, 2009, 12:32pm


23 Apr, 2009, 10:52am, fore wrote:

They used to use the "standard technique". Which is a much less intense version than what is depicted above. That "standard technique" is what I described in my early days on OMF.

Then when that no longer worked because I wanted to talk about "too much" (according to them).

They seemingly switched to employing visitations instead and started scaring the "poop" out of me. Either by sending strangers in their absence or by visiting themselves. Always to intimidate me into silence.


one thing about mental suppression techniques is that once you are able to instill a sense of fear toward a certain pattern of behavior through a series of traumatic episodes, you are able to get your way with the individual one way or another, although the individual may not outright "know" that they are being steered toward a certain pattern of behavior, and once they are forced into this rut, the heavy-handed techniques become less necessary, since the individual will tend to know before acting what is considered "right" and what is "wrong"
therefore it is less of a case of the controlling faction becoming benign, as it is the individual perceiving the controller being "less abusive"
and I believe this to be associated on a broader scope with cases such as Stockholm syndrome; in this respect, humanity is not above this form of controlling behavior

as to your agreement with them, I feel that you will get less out of it by holding up your end of the bargain, for two parties on unequal terms cannot in reality "bargain", but is more of a case of compromise, and the "reward" is delayed, which in your case means that time is on their side
a restating of terms of agreement would seem more in order, since the underlying conditions do not appear to be either fair or justified, and any broach on your part of the agreement will result in them taking punitive measures; they have the better vantage point, and you are more prone to breaking the rules, since what is "breaking the rules" on their part is more limited, whereas yours is broader; hence your gut tells you that you are being unfairly treated, and your intellect tells you that the only way to rebel is to broach the agreement
if they aren't willing to improve the terms in anyway, I feel that to be a case of sloppy diplomacy, of which I hope they will have hell to pay for, figuratively and perhaps literally
but they perhaps are not the answer to your present condition, as any evidence would bring you some limited sense of satisfaction, but the implications would be more serious as you will be farther "alienated" by your human counterparts
do not barter understanding for knowledge; all the wisdom of the world cannot buy back your sense of self-worth and purpose
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by stal on 23 Apr, 2009, 12:42pm

you've raised some excellent points lately fore (and others). interesting you have mentioned things such as entrainment, following an agenda you don't really care about, and an explanation for 'morphing' aliens.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 23 Apr, 2009, 12:55pm


23 Apr, 2009, 12:30pm, pontificator wrote:
Frankly I believe that Dylan is probably quite a nice guy in some ways, and simply wants to be part of something bigger. I personally wouldn't wish him any harm, but if a few "trainee" members of another team were to visit him I'm sure he'd be ecstatic [not sure if the males can be trained to have a sense of humour or not].


I don't believe the males have EVER made a joke. Nor even laughed for that matter.

They are very dull people. I have been thinking they are likely like the advisor mentioned...just clones. (though she didn't say it to me explicitly she mentioned they are grown not birthed)

It's hard to tell them apart if you don't have practice in talking to several of them. There very minute differences between them. So small you'd have to be looking at their "mental fingerprint" to figure out which is which.

I remembered just now that they often used to talk over each other a very long time ago. I couldn't make heads or tails as to which one was talking so I had to tell them to talk one at a time. Eventually, I noticed there were very slight differences.

They never named themselves so they don't have any identity in my mind. I just know it is one of them when I am talking to them.



23 Apr, 2009, 12:30pm, pontificator wrote:
So, you could alway pass that by the males. Thinking of which, no pressure, you could have a few moments of fun in getting them to name me by first, middle and last name ( it should be dead easy, just PM me if you'd like the fun, it proves nothing though as I already know you are the real deal ).
I can but I doubt I would enjoy that kind of fun.




23 Apr, 2009, 12:30pm, pontificator wrote:
Now, you mentioned about the effects of a medium grey on someones mind, in my case that description of yours is 100% accurate. There is one little thing though, I was able to keep a small part of me operating enough that I could keep asking questions right up to knock-out, plus run tests on what was happening. I'd like to run more tests to see how that works, but I've not had any concious visitations since [ but I do have my suspicions ].
Your gonna love running the test on them. It will be very insightful. Just make sure you monitor your own mentality.

Otherwise you will end up brainwashed if your not careful.

Also, I have never been "knocked out" in the waking state. I have to ask how that happened to you and what did it feel like?


23 Apr, 2009, 12:30pm, pontificator wrote:
Now, as for you being afraid to ask, just ask, they can only say no after all, and their reaction to the question is quite a valuable insight. They, from what I have read, are not malicious and are actually quite kind in their own way [just in a very different way, but they appear to help you when you ask for help when they could simply say/do horrible things].
Indeed they aren't malicious in the same sense as a human being.

And yes they could do very diabolical things if they wanted to. I have always wondered why they talk when they could just do it the hard way. I suspect there is a reason for it.

As many have told me before. They are treating me pretty "good" considering what abductees go through. Taking out eyeballs and/or limbs. Yikes.

I wonder why they restrain themselves so much? Or better yet, who gives them the instructions to restrain themselves? The supervisors? Or someone higher than them?


23 Apr, 2009, 12:30pm, pontificator wrote:
They also said to think for a couple of months on leaving their operation, key point is this, I'd say something would happen in that time frame which would make the matter moot, thus negating the issue [or at least that is my interpretation].
Your suspecting the same things I am suspecting. Lets see what happens next.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 23 Apr, 2009, 2:31pm

With the knock-out it is quite difficult to work out at which point the most relevant feeling was to answer your question, I will give a very detailed account that may allow you to spot the point.

The story has been told before in the thread, but to put it more succinctly in a scientific testing manner:

Placement is on back, looking straight up, conditions at time were darkness with very low-level filtered light from left side.

1) See top of grey head with eyes looking over me [ light appears in stripes against it, horizontal, highlighting contours, estimate top 33% of head ], personally have emotion of excitement, nothing from grey.

2) First thought, oh, subconsciously make sure I am not about to attack, and tell myself to calm down [I use my first name when doing this].

3) grey moves away from field of vision [ further behind me, may have stood up {actually, probable}]. 1 Second.

4) First name is said telepathically, voice is male, artificial, no resonance, no breathing, pure intonation [definitely not re creatable in spoken form, am certain is not re creatable using sound producing apparatus].

5) I wait, pause of 1.5 seconds, telepathically told "I am Here", directional feeling implied.

6) Turn head to right, immense puzzlement, cycle memories to determine no known previous combination, beings form is unexpected. Subconscious non-verbal thought of what the hell is that.

7)Being has very round black orbs as eyes, notch noted at ridge line of eye, head appears proportional, not viewable from waist down, has two arms, finger count and hands not viewable.
Distance to being based on personal arm length, 1.2 meters, myopic eyesight capable of 30cm range before minor fuzz begins.

9) Orange glow of being started and increased to maximum during turn, 0.5 seconds estimate, glow has elements of consistent bio-plasma effect. Nearest equivalent is muted glo-stick. Usage of Orange to human eyesight does not cause discomfort or loss of night-vision effects.

9) Being induces feeling of overwhelming honour as emotion. Being unfamiliar with this emotion I do not know how to react to it. Internally I am still excited, come to logical conclusion that being is inducing feeling, feel electrical discharge [ minor ] in right hemisphere of brain that confirms suspicion [ I have run an internal test ].

10) To confirm it is not hallucination, I gently reach out and hold its upper arm very gently.

11) Ask question "what are you?". 0.3 seconds beings head looks up 3cm [ based on jaw line ], slight adjustment of pose.

12) Telepathic response, two possible interpretations run simultaneously "I am the penultimate human form"/"I am the pinnacle of human evolution" : Implication is that there is a set of missing words in the English language that would adequately convey this.

13) 0.3 seconds Personal emotion shifts to kinship:I quite like the being:Emotion of honour still present.

14) Quickly ask question "and the greys?": It should be noted I had a non-emotional intuitive feeling of "speed required, time is running out" before asking this question.

15) Being answered in multiple streams of emotion and telepathy:
Unknown feeling on subject, followed by disappointment towards them.
"They are biological robots"/"They are Biological machines"/"limited to purpose" [ usage of all statements simultaneously implies lack of words in English language ].

16) Immediate shift to REM on completion of statement [unconsciousness in my definition, therefore knock-out], definitely fulfilled parameters of REM sleep.

17) Parameters of REM sleep cover flowing random subject areas:
Father frantically looking for information in a magazine of indeterminate type, circling areas of letters as if in quest for information that is not there. Obvious implication of madness/obsession.
Being standing with parents, have eye contact, indeterminate background.
Being standing in tunnel, have eye contact, walls are metallic, pipes run up and down them, 7plus in total, pipes bulge and flex by up to 20cm as matter passes down them.

18) Shift to black.

19) wake up mind blown, excited, happy.

20) 2nd day later notice triangular arrangement of marks on left thigh, feel absolute apathy/pointlessness when thinking about taking photo.

Apologies for making a long post, but I thought you might find something in that that was useful in answering your question. The thing is that I am not entirely sure it induced a "feeling" before putting me into an unconscious state. It must also be noted that a grey is probably present behind me during the entire event, and may have access to a technological measure.

Post event I am a little more "sensitive", but I really need proper training. I can turn it on and off now. Have also been finding getting people to talk about their abilities since incident to be a 100% successful endeavour, before this that simply did not happen. Have recently discovered one cheats at Halo matches by watching matches through opponents own eyes... [ am getting them to research how to make this a less automatic subconscious effect, with idea of making it consciously controllable, will use it for advanced research ].
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 23 Apr, 2009, 4:04pm

Fore, I wasn't saying I was skeptical toward your testimony.

I am skeptical in general, toward everything. I am not trying to make you feel like you have to prove anything to me.

I believe you as much as humanly possible.... as much as a reasonable person can given zero proofs. And again I am not trying to trick you into offering proofs, however awesome that would be. I just like to read the thread.

I find it particularly interesting how the dude tri-form challenged you to provide proof. If I understand it correctly he wasn't necessarily challenging the ETs, he was just challenging your psychic abilities, your own personal talent, and not something that extended at all into the jurisdiction of the ETs.

Why would they then care? Why would they make it their business?

Its not like it would have any direct repercussions, and you mentioned they are apathetic and generally dismissive of anything that doesnt further their agenda or put it in harm's way.

I am wondering if there is something in that situation that would merit their involvement that you have not mentioned.

Also you say that you are not allowed to keep a journal.

Dude, what are they going to do? Give you a headache? Come steal it and slap you across your knuckles with the narrow edge of a ruler? Come on.

You often allude to your loyalty to the human race in spite of them, as in, you don't want to betray the least of the human race to further their possibly nefarious schemes. This; the lack of recording priceless data that others may study, is to me disloyalty, nay, treasonous if you feel justified in sensing their scheming is even slightly amoral. You owe it to humanity.

I am not counseling you to do anything. But really where is the loyalty you speak of?

I am different, and, therefore, cannot condemn your behaviour, I am simply pointing it out.

If it were me, I would say to hell with humanity. I hate them anyway.

You show a real sense of compassion and brotherhood on the surface, but when faced with a cross to bear, like Peter before the Romans; you deny the human race and throw in with these ETs, and for what? To save yourself a headache?

Don't you see?

If so, then how would my type of person in your situation be so different? They would still get what they want, but I would do it willingly and with a smile. You said it yourself they are always right, they always seem to get what they want?

You suffer, and come out in the end profitless, if I see things correctly.

You have to figure out a way, as I have said before, to come to terms with your lot, and learn to love. And through transformation you will come to greater power and understanding.

I just wish I were in your shoes.

Tell your stiff-necked males to come see me.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 23 Apr, 2009, 5:15pm

It seems to me that you dismiss or underestimate the influence of their much higher intelligence which is coupled with mastered skills of psychic ability that are higher than his. It's really quite easy to see why, at least in my opinion, it's more likely that his perspective is correct and quite possibly unchangeable from his end when what he's talking about parallels domestic abuse (psychologically). The difference here is that there is nothing that can equalize the situation in his case, like a metaphorical knife or something. My best guess for obtaining that is either developing his psychic abilities on his own or relying on the Guardian or whomever to help him out. Then again, he allegedly chose this path before life.

His suspicion is predicated on the fact that he's wary of their ability to dupe people (Messiah complex, implanted thoughts, thought screens, etc). In a sense, he thinks like a grey because he has had to learn to (attempt to) outthink one. It seems that his education has paid off, despite the results of his struggle (since he said himself that it's usually a stalemate at best). Besides, when you live your life with one ET telling you one thing and you observe the opposite in the other, which one do you trust more? [I'm referring to the Advisor and the males] I also think you're severely underestimating the impact the Advisor has had on Fore. If you read enough of the thread, you can easily see how polarized the two sets of behavior are between the Advisor and the males, which easily explains why he sticks with her principles (generally) and rarely adopts any of the principles the males have to offer.

Clearly a meeting with the males would make Dylan's day, so why not oblige him? I suppose showing him first hand how hard it is to fight the influence they have wouldn't be damaging to their agenda.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 23 Apr, 2009, 6:43pm

Perhaps you over estimate intellect. And under estimate the human spirit.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by rev on 23 Apr, 2009, 10:09pm


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So I sometimes feel like I am walking piece of property with limited rights in a fenced in area. That is why you see me sometimes call the males "my wardens". Or....

I feel that I am not my own owner. That my life is just a precisely controlled probation or something. That somehow I feel like there is always a hidden hand in what is going to be done with my life.

When the advisor (in the past) started telling me about my life years into the future from where I was. I felt like my life wasn't my own. That somehow I was just a participant in someone elses plans.


You were. Prove you are not any longer.

PS Don't shut off your abilities. Learn to live with them. Accept them and the new world that comes with them. Interaction, confrontation, negotiations, etc. It is not easy, and you know that, but now is the time to dive in and kiss the old world good bye.

As far as your freedom, I am saddened to think you are totally right. You have familial ties, I think anyways, and that makes it far more personal, and definately may allow you to think you are a nobody, but to them you would not be. As far as your contracts and the like, I don't know what you have said, and done, and what you have consented to, so that is totally up to you to sort out. If you are sharp enough, you may see how the financial dealings/lease negotiations, is actually prepping you for what is to come from the spiritual world regarding your soul's freedom from the polars. The negotiations will be a training for you to deal with larger influences on you or over you. Once you deal with them, you will then have to do it over 10 fold and in the real world again. Your success at winning over or nullifying those who seek you, will directly correlate the amount of freedom you feel after dealing with your influences.

As you know I quit, and I fought my way out. I got in a lot of trouble, but ultimately you have simply gone a different route to the same outcome. You are now on your own too. Be wise and careful in your actions. Apply all that knowledge. Everything. Use it. That is why you learned it all. You will create the home that you long for. But it will be very hard from here on in. And fyi I am in a very similar boat buddy. I won't get into it, but lets just say I am in some large negotiations that will have a great affect on my future. You seem to be very close to where I am, so I am guessing you will go through the same things I did. Or similar, and it seems you are. You have smart contacts, and you are right for using that gut feeling about some of them. When you negotiate your life/lives, remember that. Your attitude will save you if you do not bend. You have to believe in yourself. People need this. You need this. I believe in you 150% buddy. Instead of being prodded to move, start moving, and start deciding for yourself when and where you are gonna go, and what you will say and to whoever you want. It is all you now. You don't need them. If you didn't feel so controlled, not being controlled and doing it yourself would be much easier. You must adjust to that, or it will be very taxing on yourself.

Anyways, I was just popping by on a feeling, and figured I would respond to some of things I read in your thread. The insanity is a result of a form of isolation. It is like being in the upper atmosphere ready to break through into the great beyond, but looking back at most still firmly planted on the ground and disbelief at what you describe from up there. Stop looking back and start lookin forward. There may be lots of people ahead of you or beside you that you won't see unless you stop looking back. Let go. The insanity is only created when you have old world views constantly clashing with the new info and world you are entering. That is where it all breaks down. That breakdown is what you have to leave behind. They will enter when ready, and you have done your part. You have shared. There is nothing left but for you to continue on. It is hard but, view the outcomes. You will see quickly that for everyone and yourself it is better this way. You have a dream and it is time to make that a reality.

@ Everyone else:
Thanks for the kind words. Just poppin by tho. Fore could be so much more, if he really applied himself and took control. That is what some of the beings around him are scared of, and that is why some of them keep messing with him. They are trying to direct him because unbeknownst to himself, he is important. He is someone. He is powerful, but he has never known this because of how everything including his situation was presented, and how he then perceived it. Imagine a king schooled from birth to have all the people around him that normally would be around a king, but they tell him he is not a king, keep hanging around and getting him to consent to things and think certain things. Those things he consents to are then his wishes. But the whole time he has no idea who or what he is. Fore is in a similar situation.

Your task? You are here. HELP HIM. He is not a king, at least I don't think his blood is royal, but the king analogy was just to make a point. You could use lawyer, judge, police officer, garbage man, whatever. It is someone in a position, who is then confused and told something else that negates, avoids, or nullifies the position they really have. They then are guided or influenced and never realize what they are actually doing. Fore is going to have to fight, and if that goes well, he can start talking after that. Until that confrontation, he needs you guys. Why else do you really think you are all here?? Alot of you read things on here, and think of yourselves in exactly the same way as Fore views himself. You look at all these personalities and such, and then you say, not me, I am not that special, I wish, or whatever. Sad thing is that until you truly know yourself you will be wasting hot air. You really don't know that. And like I said, if you are here, there is a reason.

Maybe it is to put you into a collective to get rid of you. Maybe it is the conceptionary point of a community that is to become a real place. Maybe it is simply a great place to interact. Fact is, you are all here, and you should evaluate what you are all doing, individually and as a group, and why you are here. What does all this mean?

I wish all the best to everyone of you, and MTFBWY. Make a difference. You have all spent alot of time in the world of potentiality and thought. Now it is time to assess what you have learned and start applying it as well. Your story goes different than the others. My story is not like Fore's. His is not like mine. TT96's story is different from both of ours. Each has their own path. Walk it. Don't get caught up in sight seeing other paths in the world of insight and thought. Apply it all to your path.

Walk. Head high, no fear. Keep your stick on the ice. ;)


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 23 Apr, 2009, 10:22pm


22 Apr, 2009, 7:42pm, dylan wrote:

P.S. Seriously though, tell them about me. Lets see if anything happens. Maybe then we can all work together.


a being just expressed *face palm* to me after i read this directing at your statement.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 23 Apr, 2009, 10:25pm


23 Apr, 2009, 10:22pm, 369 wrote:

22 Apr, 2009, 7:42pm, dylan wrote:

P.S. Seriously though, tell them about me. Lets see if anything happens. Maybe then we can all work together.


a being just expressed *face palm* to me after i read this directing at your statement.


lol ;D


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 23 Apr, 2009, 10:33pm


23 Apr, 2009, 4:04pm, dylan wrote:
Fore, I wasn't saying I was skeptical toward your testimony.


Yeah, that wasn't the point of the thread. It was to illustrate how experiences and proof are tightly controlled so that you end up with someone who can say whatever he was to say about his ET experiences (that would be me) and yet not be able to offer any proof.

And when I am allowed to show some kind of proof it usually falls into the category of "experiential proof". As is the saying in Spanish (translated to English) "That is a non-transferable kind of currency".

No one but the ones directly experiencing it will accept that kind of coin. And no one should be expected to which is the point of my post.

They play a game in the shadows. Everyone knows they are there including me. But no one can definitively prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. And that's the way it's always been. A "dead end" game.

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When (or if) the game changes in the future when ET appearances become hard to ignore. Then maybe they will stroll back into my home and tell me (they better!) "here, take a picture" or "draw out this diagram and show them".

Till then, I am screwed.

It's like the unacknowledged ET elephant that multiple people can see but no one touching the elephant can prove to others who aren't directly touching it's surface.

It's a practice of compartmentalizing the beliefs of people. They know what we believe and think and assume. They play on it.

One hand of humanity does not believe what the other is saying until it is too late and it becomes bloody obvious to both hands at some point in the future. (post-disclosure)

Until then those touching the elephant know the elephant never leaves any kind of flake of skin so that we can turn around and ask the ones not touching the elephant "so what do you think this came from?"

No, not much is left behind. And when something is left behind they play (masterfully) mind games to make the person touching the elephant believe that even with what little they have, it not going to be enough....so why try?

Your only option is to rub against the elephant and die a little bit inside knowing that no matter what there is no way to prove it, until they allow it. If you try to draw some blood from the elephant the hard way, the unacknowledged elephant will swiftly swat you with it's sharp tail and make things fairly unpleasant.

If you push too hard, they might even go into any of the third parties minds. And lay the ground work (setup) the seeds for a situation where you look like a fool. Mine are masters of discrediting. They have told me if I misbehave too much they will make it seem like I am nuts.

If I behave they will make it look like I am a Jesus come down from a UFO (joking). Getting anywhere with these guys is like soccer with a stonewall. Painful, and not very productive.

It is a complicated balancing act where I try to extract as much personal benefit as I can, while staying ever vigilant that I don't follow any plan they may be trying to set up. And warning others around me when I see that they may be setting something up which is unfavorable.

Mostly I talk about the Grey Males. We "trust" in the aspects of each other. I trust they are slippery and indifferent b*st*rds. They trust I am defiant and uncooperative a*s*ole. Life goes on.


23 Apr, 2009, 4:04pm, dylan wrote:
I am skeptical in general, toward everything. I am not trying to make you feel like you have to prove anything to me.

I believe you as much as humanly possible.... as much as a reasonable person can given zero proofs. And again I am not trying to trick you into offering proofs, however awesome that would be. I just like to read the thread.
That's obviously okay with me. I know I wouldn't believe myself if I were in your shoes and watching all this, and I wouldn't blame myself for it either.

And even if you do perhaps believe it, beware. Always maintain your critical objectivity.

That is why I say it like how I see it. I don't try to paint them in "rosey" pictures. They are what they are.

Obviously they don't like it, but there is very little they can do about it. Doing anything extreme would just mean I would talk about it. And that would be worse for them.

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Joke of the day:
A knowledgeable source in the ET contactee field who has encounters of the 5th kind and yet speaks of his sources disparagingly (most of the time)?

Sounds like they might need to step down and do some re-arranging of the minds or perspectives at OMF to make this picture look a little better...


23 Apr, 2009, 4:04pm, dylan wrote:
I find it particularly interesting how the dude tri-form challenged you to provide proof. If I understand it correctly he wasn't necessarily challenging the ETs, he was just challenging your psychic abilities, your own personal talent, and not something that extended at all into the jurisdiction of the ETs.

Why would they then care? Why would they make it their business?

Its not like it would have any direct repercussions, and you mentioned they are apathetic and generally dismissive of anything that doesnt further their agenda or put it in harm's way.


You don't seem to remember those times very well.

Back then I was soliciting for willing "agitators" to make the males react to a situation openly. To make someone bait to see what would happen. Tri-form was one of the ones who accepted that challenge.

He didn't challenge me (though at first he was somewhat confused and did until I explained the point a few times). He challenged the Grey males directly.

The point of the exercise is to assume that they have an interest in my presence at OMF. So I threw a monkey wrench by willful and maliciously seeking someone to discredit me in some way. (they were threatening to do that anyway).

They wanted an ounce...I sought a pound instead. I wanted to play a mind game on the Males to see what they would do to protect their interest if they had any.

So tri-form and I both conspired to make it look like the males weren't real and agitate them into action by driving them to doing something about it. I am sure they don't want me totally discredited. I was banking on it.

But it backfired.

For some reason, after triform issued the challenge things went "wrong". Their only response I was given when challenge was to "wait". I waited and waited. And nothing. I expected more.

Then tri-form suddenly stated he was leaving at the end of the month and so he did. I don't believe he ever came back. Dunno what was so pressing for him to go at that time.

So the "stress test" disappeared in about a week. And I took the credibility hit without any Grey males doing something.

It went (in my view) better for the males than it did for me. I feel it just backfired. Rather than agitation all I got in return was some discrediting of my case, exactly like had they wanted the outcome.

It was never about me, it was about the males. I know I would never have been able to pull names out of someone. The advisor never taught me that specific talent.


23 Apr, 2009, 4:04pm, dylan wrote:
I am wondering if there is something in that situation that would merit their involvement that you have not mentioned.

Also you say that you are not allowed to keep a journal.

Dude, what are they going to do? Give you a headache? Come steal it and slap you across your knuckles with the narrow edge of a ruler? Come on.
If only that were all.

Try getting a visit from one of them. Standing there and having one of them walk right up to you and come within an inch of you and scare the poop out of you all the while. So close that you can feel something not of this earth breathe. You can feel something not human, not of this earth, so close and you can feel the intense fear/or terror. Reeling...

[They told me to stop...]

Wondering if you should go to sleep tonight and sometimes feeling that

There is more...but I'd rather not talk about it.


23 Apr, 2009, 4:04pm, dylan wrote:
You often allude to your loyalty to the human race in spite of them, as in, you don't want to betray the least of the human race to further their possibly nefarious schemes. This; the lack of recording priceless data that others may study, is to me disloyalty, nay, treasonous if you feel justified in sensing their scheming is even slightly amoral. You owe it to humanity.

I am not counseling you to do anything. But really where is the loyalty you speak of?
I wouldn't bother typing all the details committed to memory. If I didn't gain something of value for myself.

I share it so others can skip months or years of observations and quickly understand what is probably going on and why it may be going on.

Is that the case everywhere? No.

But in cases like mine it may be.

In return, I want to fill in the gaps of what is going missing. I want to find the missing puzzle pieces that I am missing.

In this process people get their data, I get (sometimes) information I didn't have before or see stories of others accounts that may shed some light on a phenomena or situation I witnessed at some point in my life but that I did not understand what I was looking at. Slowly combining the puzzle pieces and testing them out.

(what I am doing with pontificator right now)

This is my personal service and loyalty.

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I have been wanting to do live tests on various kinds of ET's. But as of yet, there are very few individuals coming to this forum who are having encounters of the third, fourth and fifth kind.


23 Apr, 2009, 4:04pm, dylan wrote:
I am different, and, therefore, cannot condemn your behaviour, I am simply pointing it out.

If it were me, I would say to hell with humanity. I hate them anyway.


We differ in our viewpoints.


23 Apr, 2009, 4:04pm, dylan wrote:
You show a real sense of compassion and brotherhood on the surface, but when faced with a cross to bear, like Peter before the Romans; you deny the human race and throw in with these ETs, and for what? To save yourself a headache?

Don't you see?
I have done very little for them. The situation with them has deteriorated over time, if you haven't noticed.

At this point I am beginning to appreciate that even 5th kind encounters in a face to face fashion will make very little difference to my view points of them if the same people with the same behaviors remain.

I have begun to realize that from rubbing elbows with some fine folk here.

I don't care about pleasing them, I care about displeasing them to too high a degree. They are the frog, I am the pan, I turn up the heat little by little.

Who knows what happens next.


23 Apr, 2009, 4:04pm, dylan wrote:
If so, then how would my type of person in your situation be so different? They would still get what they want, but I would do it willingly and with a smile. You said it yourself they are always right, they always seem to get what they want?

You suffer, and come out in the end profitless, if I see things correctly.
It's a very complicated situation. It's not easy to understand or sum up and even harder to appreciate when your not here.

But don't think that I am not paying attention to your criticism. I have been running them through my mind carefully and taking alot of cues from your points of view.


23 Apr, 2009, 4:04pm, dylan wrote:
You have to figure out a way, as I have said before, to come to terms with your lot, and learn to love. And through transformation you will come to greater power and understanding.
I'll reject this though.

The problem is with them not with me.

I am simply coping in light of their detrimental behavior/relationship.

I don't like it, and I certainly don't have to love it.

That is why, slowly but surely, I am making my mind up to simply separate myself from that "profitless" relationship/situation. But I have to be sure I can live with it. I don't want to come back later on because I haven't yet fully accepted the only solution I can think of.

I know there is a problem. But I have to adapt to living without. And that is harder than you can believe when you consider I grew up in this situation.

It's not like flipping a switch.


23 Apr, 2009, 4:04pm, dylan wrote:
I just wish I were in your shoes.

Tell your stiff-necked males to come see me.
They already know.

Believe it or not it would bring me great pleasure to hear of your accounts with them.

But like everything, there is a process, they will probably first engage you subconsciously and have to study your mind inside out to understand you.

There no way to tell if they are interested. The indicators so far point to awareness of you but of general disinterest. But I pushed the issue. So I hoping they at least look.

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I find it interesting that you haven't been contacted. From here I can sometimes sense you pretty easily. Which probably means your field is pretty active.

Which is strange cause most hard core skeptics usually have their psychic field completely turned off. Or as I refer to them, the "cement-like" psychic field.

For you not to have been picked up and scanned probably indicates you have a fatal flaw of some kind. Maybe some part of you doesn't quite work right (or works too well? ;D )?

I am surprised you hadn't been checked out early on in your childhood at the very least.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 23 Apr, 2009, 10:54pm


23 Apr, 2009, 12:55pm, fore wrote:

I remembered just now that they often used to talk over each other a very long time ago. I couldn't make heads or tails as to which one was talking so I had to tell them to talk one at a time. Eventually, I noticed there were very slight differences.



31 Mar, 2009, 3:26pm, 369 wrote:
In a dream I walked up to some greys

Hes like

"It's all about numbers. What you got wrong is intervals. " then another grey started talking over him and I'm like stop I can't percieve when both of you talk.
"A rock is layered by waves of particles"
then he waved his hand like a wave

I don't remember the rest, but it was an interesting dream

added: that led up to this point


interesting
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by bostova on 23 Apr, 2009, 11:16pm

Who do the greys show interest in?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by edward on 24 Apr, 2009, 12:09am

Wow, fore. I read the most recent two pages and then I was like hmmm what's at the begging at Page 1. I was like man and I thought I was detailed about the crap that happened to me in my dreams and visions. You elaborate on experiences I have not had yet, or do not remember at this point and time.

Anyways with ready stuff of what you have said, obviously I have not read it all but anyways with the little I did read. I am familar with what you say either by what I have discovered myself on my on awakening or by what I feel inside to resonate and be true. There are some correlations to what you say and it ding's for me and it's like it confirms what I have learned and come to know.

You are not crazy my friend. We are spiritual beings here for a reason and yes it suck down here(Earth the 3rd Dimension that is) but we came here for a reason. We are all evolving beings here to learn from the experience. Know that as humanity starts to remember and reconnect with their abilities and the spirit realm, we will make great progress and strides in our evolution as spirits and for the evolution of the human experience as we collectively raise it's conciousness, it's vibration and everything that goes with it.

The human experienice is unique in many ways and we have a lot of stuff that "others" don't have. Hence is why they can't really understand us. They may label us as dangerous, unpredictable or even down right arrogant. Yes humans are all of this but it part of the learning curve so we are better able understand other and situations when they arise. Arise they will and when they do, we must rise to the occassion in making choices for ourselves. If we rely too much on others then why are we here? We are here to stand up for our choices and to be able to have them. It is a choice to give that right away and if we let that happen, we will not have a choice but like I said, that is a choice in itself. So let's make the best of it. Do the best we can, and help each other to remember who we are at the core of our beingness and to expand upon it. Once we learn that we are energy and eternal beings we can then stop the crawling we have been doing down here an start walking and have more of a universal experience with all that entails, the good and the bad that goes with it.

Ed
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by edward on 24 Apr, 2009, 12:57am

Oh and I want to reiterate what you had said was in your chart of what you saw for yourself for this life time before you came here, in this incarnation. Between ages of 26-28, there will be an event that will let people know that they are not the only one's in the universe. I just realized , you are 28 this year and thats 2009 you turn 28, could possibly be a part of 2010 as well.

As you reflect back and think about that, what are your thought's now. Obviously for you it's like a no brainer. For me it's the same way but I have a deep feeling and like inner knowning of it, more of a faith and belief of that faith that there is more to life than what we are lead to believe on this planet. Just be nice to hear more thoughts if any on your take of it.

Ed
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 24 Apr, 2009, 5:16am


23 Apr, 2009, 10:33pm, fore wrote:

23 Apr, 2009, 4:04pm, dylan wrote:
I just wish I were in your shoes.

Tell your stiff-necked males to come see me.
They already know.

Believe it or not it would bring me great pleasure to hear of your accounts with them.

But like everything, there is a process, they will probably first engage you subconsciously and have to study your mind inside out to understand you.

There no way to tell if they are interested. The indicators so far point to awareness of you but of general disinterest. But I pushed the issue. So I hoping they at least look.

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I find it interesting that you haven't been contacted. From here I can sometimes sense you pretty easily. Which probably means your field is pretty active.

Which is strange cause most hard core skeptics usually have their psychic field completely turned off. Or as I refer to them, the "cement-like" psychic field.

For you not to have been picked up and scanned probably indicates you have a fatal flaw of some kind. Maybe some part of you doesn't quite work right (or works too well? ;D )?

I am surprised you hadn't been checked out early on in your childhood at the very least.


I'll keep you posted if I have anything to tell about them, rest assured you will probably be the first to know.

And I am not a hard core skeptic. I believe in the possibility of almost anything, including all the psypowers. And many times I have fancied myself highly intuitive but not psychic..... usually during moments when talking to someone and I look at their face and know exactly what they are thinking.

But it would be just my luck to have a fatal flaw.

Probably extreme hedonism and immorality.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 24 Apr, 2009, 5:48am

Rev, good to have read another inspiring post! Hope you stop by some more! Miss you, man :(
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by edward on 24 Apr, 2009, 5:59am


24 Apr, 2009, 5:16am, dylan wrote:

23 Apr, 2009, 10:33pm, fore wrote:
They already know.

Believe it or not it would bring me great pleasure to hear of your accounts with them.

But like everything, there is a process, they will probably first engage you subconsciously and have to study your mind inside out to understand you.

There no way to tell if they are interested. The indicators so far point to awareness of you but of general disinterest. But I pushed the issue. So I hoping they at least look.

===============================================

I find it interesting that you haven't been contacted. From here I can sometimes sense you pretty easily. Which probably means your field is pretty active.

Which is strange cause most hard core skeptics usually have their psychic field completely turned off. Or as I refer to them, the "cement-like" psychic field.

For you not to have been picked up and scanned probably indicates you have a fatal flaw of some kind. Maybe some part of you doesn't quite work right (or works too well? ;D )?

I am surprised you hadn't been checked out early on in your childhood at the very least.


I'll keep you posted if I have anything to tell about them, rest assured you will probably be the first to know.

And I am not a hard core skeptic. I believe in the possibility of almost anything, including all the psypowers. And many times I have fancied myself highly intuitive but not psychic..... usually during moments when talking to someone and I look at their face and know exactly what they are thinking.

But it would be just my luck to have a fatal flaw.

Probably extreme hedonism and immorality.




Intuition is part of your psychic abilities. Everyone has Psychic abilities, some are more developed in other and in specific area's of strengths as well. Every human has the propensity for psychic ability, just we haven't used it or developed it as a species in a VERY long time. The very few have but collective as a Human race we have not for sometime.



"Of course for most people, psychic awareness
is a potential only occasionally used. Yet quite often people say, "I had a feeling about that." This shows that intuition works closely with our emotions. We talk about intuitive feelings. However, strong emotions and active thoughts tend to interfere with psychic awareness. Intuition seems to be most available when our thoughts and feelings are calm, quiet, relaxed, clear, and neutral. Some psychics, like Edgar Cayce, even go into a trance in order to bring forth clairvoyance, clairaudience, spiritual attunement or contact with other spirits. They may do this consciously or unconsciously by becoming a medium." - http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Intuition/id/21709


Ed
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 24 Apr, 2009, 2:48pm

Fore,
remembering prior posts you have had the ability to utilise the advisor's mind and intelligence temporarily.

I offer you the opportunity to try utilizing my mind when it is "free" [ during sleep etc ] as an experiment, you may be able to augment your own intelligence or abilities, and I would expect you to be able to replay my memories and run an analysis.

Just don't do it too often, as it'll probably be a little debilitating, and there is the risk of odd effects occurring so shield yourself if I have anything automatic responding. Probably best to mentally tap me a couple of times to see what happens, it'll allow me to work out who is who as it were.

Remember, it's an odd experimental idea I thought of, but my hypothesis is that you could probably build a mind mesh judging from what I've read. With enough "surface area" you should be able to scan and detect many beings/entities across the globe + run tests and scans using the combined power of the mesh. It's likely the males have a similar ability available to them.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 25 Apr, 2009, 6:55am

fore hopefully you notice the benefits of everyone suddenly posting so much in this thread, keeps some people on there toes
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 25 Apr, 2009, 7:50am

Tall male grey watch: Night 2

Nothing to report.

What are their names? So that I may greet them properly.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 25 Apr, 2009, 8:48am


25 Apr, 2009, 7:50am, dylan wrote:
Tall male grey watch: Night 2

Nothing to report.

What are their names? So that I may greet them properly.
Names? The males have no names (and I never bothered asking).

I "refer" to them in the way I have always referred to them. Which is to use a psychic cue that gets an ET's attention. It is something I learned when I was small by observing them talk between themselves.

Basically it is directing your attention to "them" and remembering their signature. Then you start directing your thoughts at them. Eventually they will pay attention and get back to you. Sometimes immediately sometimes it may take a few hours or days.

Directing your thoughts at them is a sort of "HEY YOU" equivalent. I used it even with the advisor. By directing your intention at them they pick up your thoughts and respond. Directing your psychic focus with raw intent is part of the targeting mechanism in directing psychic activities and data collection.

When you can feel who is talking to you, names become somewhat redundant.

You can have a long conversation with each of them over the course of months and never reference each others name. As directing your attention mentally is the same as calling someones attention with their name.

You know who is referring to you and who is talking.

You see me reference these communications aspects as psychic "signatures" which is a way of saying a specific consciousness.

A signature is a characteristic that forms a perceptual fingerprint or "identity" of a type of consciousness with personality specifics.

It's a complicated way of saying this:

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If you are in New York, and I contact you via telepathy. The first thing you will notice in your mind is the formation of a perception. A perception of a second consciousness. A type of mental fingerprint that contains identify information.

If I begin talking, then you would percieve a communication form. Either it be linguistic audioable language or images, or raw thoughts etc.

So if I say "Thank You".

Your mind will form both the concept "thank you", and if your mind is set up properly, the words will be heard in your head. Along the background of the utterance you will sense the signature of my mind.

If we were to telepathically speak for a while, eventually you will notice that the need of sharing identifying information in the standard way is unnecessary because every time we speak the identifying information is filled in.

Thats why I call most of my group by "descriptive terms".

The Males (Greys)

The Advisor/Caretaker (she gave herself those titles, and her two real names)

The Supervisors

The Visitors

"The Others"

Etc.



Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 25 Apr, 2009, 8:56am

Note: The males were missing in action yesterday.

I tried to talk with them but I noticed they were nowhere to be found yesterday. So they went somewhere well outside my range of reaching them.

I suppose they went somewhere and did something. Don't know what.

But it is highly unusual for them the leave the neighborhood without notice (the "neighborhood" in this case is *pretty big*)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 25 Apr, 2009, 8:59am


25 Apr, 2009, 7:50am, dylan wrote:
Tall male grey watch: Night 2

Nothing to report.

What are their names? So that I may greet them properly.


Tall male? Are you looking to talk to a supervisor?

That would be pretty hard to come by wouldn't it?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 26 Apr, 2009, 8:03am

At this point I'll take anything, even if it is only agitating the ones who are bothering you.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 27 Apr, 2009, 9:53am


25 Apr, 2009, 8:56am, fore wrote:
Note: The males were missing in action yesterday.

I tried to talk with them but I noticed they were nowhere to be found yesterday. So they went somewhere well outside my range of reaching them.

I suppose they went somewhere and did something. Don't know what.

But it is highly unusual for them the leave the neighborhood without notice (the "neighborhood" in this case is *pretty big*)

Fore, I will have to ask you to do me a favor right now.

I will have to ask you to ask the Greys what they intend to do.

This war has just gone full scale, and I need to know if I can still count on them. Greys are not that much good at the matters of war (and conflict in general), and they sometimes tend to retreat when things get really hot, but this time around it will be a decision that cannot be taken back.

My personal lines have been crossed this morning, beyond the point of no return. And I also see that Conficker and (potentially pandemic) "swine flu" have both been activated.

I don't mind being targeted myself, but when someone targets people close to me, I tend to overreact... and to some unbelievable extremes.

So, I'm asking you ask to ask them if they are still going to go through with this, or they have suddenly got cold feet and decided to pull out.

Everything will depend on their decision.

I will get to the bottom of this either way, but I will at least know where my potential friends stand.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 28 Apr, 2009, 9:25am

No response yet?

Well, I guess that the saying "Never trust a Grey" comes from a very good source, and with appropriate experience.

Just for the record, it seems that Greys are quite happy with the threat of humanity being removed, and are prepared to sacrifice humans to that other (yet unnamed) race which was, and still is, the main source of problems for everyone.

I guess that Greys compute that once humanity of is out of the equation, they won't have to worry about that other (unnamed) race. After all, the two of them (Greys and the unnamed one) have a long history behind them, and have learned how to keep away from each other's business.

It was the humans that were the unpredictable variable. Humanity was going to take technology from both, and create an incredibly controlled dictatorship on the level never seen before. From Greys' perspective, it is the humans who are not to be trusted. Ever.

And if the two races (humanity and the unnamed one) were to somehow, miraculously, wipe each other out in the process, that would be the perfect outcome of this whole situation.

I am sorry to say this, but Greys have just hanged themselves. Their core has just been revealed, and there's no taking back this decision.

In a strange twist of fate, and quite paradoxically, humanity has just been shown to be much more worthy than Greys ever will be.

Too bad, but not a major problem... well, may be a problem for Greys... in the future, but it's too early to speak of such things.

For the rest of the races out there, just one more piece of information:

Everything is a test.

P.S.
I wonder how many more races will drop out before all of this is over.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 28 Apr, 2009, 1:35pm

Hi Fore,
I have been testing the wheelchair bound child's abilities today. He had been testing out mind-reading over a long distance, and has cracked the technique of seeing objects that are being thought about in some cases. In other cases he can get the moment and colours but not the object.

Being an abductee, I was interested in what would happen if we attempted to read each other. He was able to get colour and movement from me, but ran into a problem: It appears I have a screen layer of thoughts begin presented with my real ones just below that. We tried cracking it, but all that did was increase the pressure on my mind to absurd levels; could be subconscious, but I'm suspecting it has been placed as an automatic mechanism, the discomfort really does not bother me. According to him my mind automatically starts attempting to read him in proportional strength to his attempt, he says "your mind is just weird, it does not work like everyone else's". His discomfort translates to a burning sensation in his hands as he increases power, in my case it was apparently a very hot turnout.

When attempting to try and communicate to him my thoughts I increased the power gradually, had to stop when his vision started going wavy on him. It would seem I still have no idea what I'm doing, but at least we know I am actually outputting something, will be practising over the next few months with him.

I mainly want him to break the screen to analyse my mind a bit more, he should be able to turn a few things on here and there. He has also hit on something technologically interesting when he accesses his library, I'll let you know the results after it's been made and tested [this is a school, we have the technology and people insane enough to try :) ].
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 3 May, 2009, 12:19pm


15 Apr, 2009, 6:12am, dreamoftheiris wrote:

Quote:
o how would you design this "compression shield" in order to create a fine enough net to drag/compress all the different kind of emanations back within the interior of your body?

What concept usually covers most of the psychic "spectrum"?


Visualization/feeling.

"Visualize" a net or shield surrounding your psychic body and slowly drag it inside. Like catching the influence and pulling it inside yourself. There's still the problem of the influence generated by doing this. Seems like a tricky problem. I notice this technique actually increases the amount of energy I feel inside, like getting a boost. It's not "free range energy", uncontrolled chaotic energy. It's more controlled and stable.


There is a solution to this problem. What do ET's use to block someone from reading their thoughts. You've seen people refer to it before.

You just need one missing ingredient and then you have my approval to go around teaching it to anyone who wants to learn how to turn off their abilities.

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Also, that feeling of energy increase inside of your body is exactly right. It's what you should be feeling. Congrats on getting this far.

When you get a chance let me guide you to that last clue so that you have a very refined method.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 3 May, 2009, 1:07pm


28 Apr, 2009, 1:35pm, pontificator wrote:
Hi Fore,
I have been testing the wheelchair bound child's abilities today. He had been testing out mind-reading over a long distance, and has cracked the technique of seeing objects that are being thought about in some cases. In other cases he can get the moment and colours but not the object.
Interesting. What technique did he use?


28 Apr, 2009, 1:35pm, pontificator wrote:
Being an abductee, I was interested in what would happen if we attempted to read each other.
Hopefully your abductors won't notice your experiment on each other. 8-) ;)


28 Apr, 2009, 1:35pm, pontificator wrote:
He was able to get colour and movement from me, but ran into a problem:
It may simply be that this is his own inherent limitation in his capacity to percieve structures information with his own mind.

Still too early to tell though.




28 Apr, 2009, 1:35pm, pontificator wrote:
It appears I have a screen layer of thoughts begin presented with my real ones just below that. We tried cracking it, but all that did was increase the pressure on my mind to absurd levels;
That pressure either means you aren't active enough (which I doubt) or he is using excessive amounts of influence on his target (you).

I am going to suppose he through brute force would somehow overcome the problem. Usually it might work but in your case it simply made the fields around your head intensify chaotically.

If you can feel that pressure on your head and he still cannot retrieve information from you. Then it is most likely a problem at his end. Perhaps he does not know how to "intersect" with your influence properly in order to observe it's contents.

So far at least he knows how to target you. He also seems to have enough influence output to make you experience physiological side-effects. That good.

But between your two influence fronts uniting, did you at any time observe each other thoughts? Did his thoughts cross your mind or vice versa?





28 Apr, 2009, 1:35pm, pontificator wrote:
could be subconscious, but I'm suspecting it has been placed as an automatic mechanism, the discomfort really does not bother me. According to him my mind automatically starts attempting to read him in proportional strength to his attempt,
Depends if you are trying to read him or not.

If you aren't then some third party may be? [ET?]

Either that, or he may simply be confusing his own emissions for yours. It is normal when someone doesn't use their psi abilities often or to an advanced degree. that it makes them feel "stuffed up" upon turning their abilities into a very active configuation.

It is what you guys see me refering to as head-aches/pains.

Right now I am going through this myself as I am cleaning out my invisible psychic conduits of errant foreign influence.

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Your friend may simply be experiencing this increase in "pressure" on his own end, as he excerts more and more force on you. Not because you are "scanning him" or anything. But simply because he is unused to having his abilities at "that high" of an output level.

He is probably chock full of contaminants or his body hasn't ever experienced [on a regular basis] emitting that much influence into the periphery of his body during a rapid level of activation.

It's on his end most likely, than yours.

[Analogy]

If you imagine your friend as a fountain that pours out influence. Your friend increased his water pressure. But his pipes aren't accustomed to the elevated stress and his pipes that haven't been used to that level of pressure are full of backed up foreign "trash".

He is commanding his abilities to go higher and higher in activation; but his pipes (which probably haven't received any maintenance) can't deliver the output well enough with all the clogged up pores.

So the more he increases the pressure to "reach you", the more that he notices the influence pressure building in his own body. It's not you. Just himself.


28 Apr, 2009, 1:35pm, pontificator wrote:
he says "your mind is just weird, it does not work like everyone else's". His discomfort translates to a burning sensation in his hands as he increases power, in my case it was apparently a very hot turnout.


It seems his invisible body needs some maintenance or at least time to get accustomed to those levels of activation. You should ask him to monitor his health to make sure he does not inadvertently affect his health with the increased output..

Near a persons hands there is a conduit/pore].


28 Apr, 2009, 1:35pm, pontificator wrote:
When attempting to try and communicate to him my thoughts I increased the power gradually, had to stop when his vision started going wavy on him. It would seem I still have no idea what I'm doing, but at least we know I am actually outputting something, will be practising over the next few months with him.
You need to go back and watch which of your two can actually contact the other.

We know he can project and target ~properly~.

See if you can affect him in the same way as he affected you. Ask him to stay calm and relaxed and then attempt to induce the same affects on him on your end only.

If he feels it then you are a huge step of the way towards establishing a connection.


28 Apr, 2009, 1:35pm, pontificator wrote:
I mainly want him to break the screen to analyse my mind a bit more, he should be able to turn a few things on here and there. He has also hit on something technologically interesting when he accesses his library, I'll let you know the results after it's been made and tested [this is a school, we have the technology and people insane enough to try :) ].


Ah so he is using a "imaginary construct" to act as a control mechanism for activating his ability? Or is he using it just for targeting?

Just set your achievement goals nice and low and be systematic.

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Once you have low grade telepathy working you will notice your thoughts being observable to each other.

At first it may just be a keen sense of each other emotions.

Then it may turn into a sense of each others generalized thought patterns.

Then a focused *real time* sensation of each others thoughts as they manifest and change.

Then a full blown exchange of specific thought forms.

Etc etc etc. [many steps above that]

[about this time you should get abducted again, LOL. I guarantee it]

***Then ole' Fore will come around to ask you to demonstrate your abilities for the skeptics and such so that I wont have to play the "circus freak" routine with a few dozen people this time around. ;D ;) 8-)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 3 May, 2009, 4:37pm

Besides, what better way for a teacher to grade his students than by having them show off their talents?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 5 May, 2009, 1:23pm


3 May, 2009, 1:07pm, fore wrote:

28 Apr, 2009, 1:35pm, pontificator wrote:
Hi Fore,
I have been testing the wheelchair bound child's abilities today. He had been testing out mind-reading over a long distance, and has cracked the technique of seeing objects that are being thought about in some cases. In other cases he can get the moment and colours but not the object.
Interesting. What technique did he use?

That is actually a difficult question, and I checked up on it. He seems to focus on a person known to him, and in the original case he was testing it with a friend over the net in Australia. The essential part of the experiment was for his friend to imagine an object, and then see if it could be correctly guessed. In that test he accurately described a blue ball of wool, with added red flecks. I do not know if it is an innate sense of the individuals signature, or simply knowing the individuals general location through some means.

Hopefully your abductors won't notice your experiment on each other. 8-) ;)

It may simply be that this is his own inherent limitation in his capacity to percieve structures information with his own mind.

Still too early to tell though.



That pressure either means you aren't active enough (which I doubt) or he is using excessive amounts of influence on his target (you).

I am going to suppose he through brute force would somehow overcome the problem. Usually it might work but in your case it simply made the fields around your head intensify chaotically.

If you can feel that pressure on your head and he still cannot retrieve information from you. Then it is most likely a problem at his end. Perhaps he does not know how to "intersect" with your influence properly in order to observe it's contents.

So far at least he knows how to target you. He also seems to have enough influence output to make you experience physiological side-effects. That good.

But between your two influence fronts uniting, did you at any time observe each other thoughts? Did his thoughts cross your mind or vice versa?

I cannot recall any thoughts or other feelings crossing into my mind, just changes in pressure [ The orange one was much better at it, I assure you ]. On his end he was attempting to read me, but was getting odd results and made the comment about he was getting the sense that he was looking at a cover for what was really going on in my mind. I was imagining an eviscerated corpse draped over him ( yes, I know, hardly subtle ), and he was getting scenes of war violence instead. In a test today he successfully established I had an empty mind when I was simply thinking of nothing at all.


Depends if you are trying to read him or not.

If you aren't then some third party may be? [ET?]

Either that, or he may simply be confusing his own emissions for yours. It is normal when someone doesn't use their psi abilities often or to an advanced degree. that it makes them feel "stuffed up" upon turning their abilities into a very active configuation.

It is what you guys see me refering to as head-aches/pains.

Right now I am going through this myself as I am cleaning out my invisible psychic conduits of errant foreign influence.

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Your friend may simply be experiencing this increase in "pressure" on his own end, as he excerts more and more force on you. Not because you are "scanning him" or anything. But simply because he is unused to having his abilities at "that high" of an output level.

He agrees that this is probably likely.

He is probably chock full of contaminants or his body hasn't ever experienced [on a regular basis] emitting that much influence into the periphery of his body during a rapid level of activation.

It's on his end most likely, than yours.

I am still able to induce pressure changes, and it would seem I'm getting a little closer to interfacing with him. He had a minor flash when I attempted to take over his vision, but attempting to take over his sense of smell simply induced nausea.
In both cases he did not know what I was attempting, and as a blind test it works quite well.


[Analogy]

If you imagine your friend as a fountain that pours out influence. Your friend increased his water pressure. But his pipes aren't accustomed to the elevated stress and his pipes that haven't been used to that level of pressure are full of backed up foreign "trash".

He is commanding his abilities to go higher and higher in activation; but his pipes (which probably haven't received any maintenance) can't deliver the output well enough with all the clogged up pores.

So the more he increases the pressure to "reach you", the more that he notices the influence pressure building in his own body. It's not you. Just himself.



It seems his invisible body needs some maintenance or at least time to get accustomed to those levels of activation. You should ask him to monitor his health to make sure he does not inadvertently affect his health with the increased output..

He does not exactly have that long a lifespan left to him due to his condition, and I suspect its because something is on that is debilitating him. He has a very unnatural command of the biological sciences [suspect library of knowledge], and I'm currently sorting out some equipment to manufacture a couple of devices he has described.

Near a persons hands there is a conduit/pore].

You need to go back and watch which of your two can actually contact the other.

We know he can project and target ~properly~.

See if you can affect him in the same way as he affected you. Ask him to stay calm and relaxed and then attempt to induce the same affects on him on your end only.

Inducing effects in him is not too hard, I just need to work out what I'm actually doing and fine-tune it to something effective.

If he feels it then you are a huge step of the way towards establishing a connection.


28 Apr, 2009, 1:35pm, pontificator wrote:
I mainly want him to break the screen to analyse my mind a bit more, he should be able to turn a few things on here and there. He has also hit on something technologically interesting when he accesses his library, I'll let you know the results after it's been made and tested [this is a school, we have the technology and people insane enough to try :) ].


Ah so he is using a "imaginary construct" to act as a control mechanism for activating his ability? Or is he using it just for targeting?

By device I mean he gets periodic "memories" of devices used for various things. Right now there seems to be a theme involving magnetic systems, lasers and a console [using an array of oddly gem-like buttons, I suspect it controls the rotational rate of the magnets, their field strength, and the intensity of the photon source. The suggestion is that it would allow a beam to be transmitted from one location to another.

Just set your achievement goals nice and low and be systematic.

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Once you have low grade telepathy working you will notice your thoughts being observable to each other.

At first it may just be a keen sense of each other emotions.

Then it may turn into a sense of each others generalized thought patterns.

Then a focused *real time* sensation of each others thoughts as they manifest and change.

Then a full blown exchange of specific thought forms.

Etc etc etc. [many steps above that]

[about this time you should get abducted again, LOL. I guarantee it]

I'm right on it :)

***Then ole' Fore will come around to ask you to demonstrate your abilities for the skeptics and such so that I wont have to play the "circus freak" routine with a few dozen people this time around. ;D ;) 8-)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 6 May, 2009, 11:17pm

You know, I just came across this picture that another member had on his avatar. I took a closer look at it and then I found this on his front page.

[image]

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/

I have been finding myself dumbstruck by how close this looks to the woman I refer to as the advisor.

It totally confounds me that I have met someone who looks practically exactly like that (minus that exact belt and a bit shorter hair, and the suit is more greener than bluish).

It just seems too unreal to believe. How does a tiny child meet someone or something like the woman above in the early 80's? You guys can't imagine how weird it feels to see an actual depiction of a female ET that looks almost exactly like the woman whom I grew up with right near by.

It just confounds me how that is even possible. My skeptical side tells me that just can't be. Yet if I hadn't lived it I would not believe it myself. I have been staring at this pic for almost 30 minutes now in wonderment as if I am looking for some clue that isn't there.

I just find it so amazing that there exists another accounts of such a woman. Billy meier was a contactee of...what the 50's? 60's?

I find it too unbelievable of the incredible irony crossing through my mind.

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Let me explain,

On the one hand someone else has seen someone like the advisor. A good enough rendition to pass almost for a double.

Though the words come from a man whom the ufo community almost entirely agrees is a hoax. [can you see the irony yet?] Yet I thought I read somewhere that this guy supposedly had surveillance by the CIA way back then or he got invited to a private meeting. (I forget the details?)

So I keep asking myself, how is it that the only account I can easily find of someone who looks like the advisor, is also the one that people almost unanimously agree is a hoaxer?

I don't doubt he hoaxed some things. I just strongly doubt the claims of many that he didn't have any ET contact with beings like them. If he didn't meet them, then what do I have to say about my own contact experience? How did he know the details way back then?

[Note: Sorry but I have a passing knowledge of UFOLOGY at best. I don't read books, even though maybe I should. I find myself gobsmacked at the possibility that others have met people like her. It just seems so....unreal. I keep wondering inside myself if this is what reality is supposed to be like? I somehow had imagined it was supposed to be far more mundane. I find myself reeling at the possibilities.]

P.S. I bring this up now, because I have never been able to find a clear picture of those drawings. I have always found these tiny pictures (thumbnails) of these drawings. It's the first time I have ever seen the up-close version.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 7 May, 2009, 1:09am

I do not know if you have seen this before, but they also have a remarkable resemblance to the Women of the VRIL Society : Maria Orsic, Sigrun, and Traute

http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/The%20Vril%20Discs.htm

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Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 10 May, 2009, 1:13pm

I was woken up at a very early time this morning by a telepathic communication, just one word "daddy". It has been close to 6 months since my abduction.

Fore, is there a method of focusing in on relatives that I could use in this case?

Also, what the hell am I supposed to do now?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 May, 2009, 2:05pm

Funny you should mention that.

I too experienced something. Can't talk about it for now though.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 10 May, 2009, 11:32pm

Uh, do you guys think it had anything to do with the full moon? I know I have things that happen to me about this time of the month. No, I'm not talking about having a monthly period; I'm not *supposed* to be doing that anymore. ::)

Do you guys feel like you have children that are not in your everyday lives? I sense that I have a daughter somewhere, when I have only given birth to three (and a half) males, as far as I know.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 May, 2009, 11:37pm


10 May, 2009, 1:13pm, pontificator wrote:


Fore, is there a method of focusing in on relatives that I could use in this case?

Also, what the hell am I supposed to do now?


Last night was a busy night it appears?

Living relatives yes. You just have to memorize their particular psychic patterns and then use it to communicate on a conscious or a subconscious level.

It depends on a lot of factors to be honest. You have to "prep them" in order to be able to send and receive even the most basic forms of telepathy.

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But I doubt very much that a relative would contact you in that way. Where that word comes from is a mystery.

But from reading members stories here and elsewhere (years before), it appears some ET's like to use "illusory representations" of dead relatives to communicate.

So beware of "dead relatives" whom claim or "beckon you" to have any kind of relationship with an ET.

Some people actually seem to fall for it. So just a warning in case it further develops on your end.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 May, 2009, 11:40pm


10 May, 2009, 11:32pm, dove wrote:
Uh, do you guys think it had anything to do with the full moon? I know I have things that happen to me about this time of the month. No, I'm not talking about having a monthly period; I'm not *supposed* to be doing that anymore. ::)

Do you guys feel like you have children that are not in your everyday lives? I sense that I have a daughter somewhere, when I have only given birth to three (and a half) males, as far as I know.
I never understood what the moon has to do with anything. Though alot of mystics seem to believe in that.

It boggles my mind as to what one has to do with the other. So I guess I don't have a clue as to what the moon means to some people.

As for "high activity" times of the year. I think I have identified one or two (or maybe three) months of high activity in the year. But I am not supposed to talk about it.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by olddood on 10 May, 2009, 11:48pm

Even before I researched and started to become 'aware' of certain things I realized the Moon has something to do with our lives.
Full Moons do have an effect on people. Police & Firemen will tell you this is true as well.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 11 May, 2009, 6:05am


10 May, 2009, 11:37pm, fore wrote:

10 May, 2009, 1:13pm, pontificator wrote:


Fore, is there a method of focusing in on relatives that I could use in this case?

Also, what the hell am I supposed to do now?


Last night was a busy night it appears?

Pretty much right out of the blue, I was rather busy seeing if I could get any kind of focus on it.

Living relatives yes. You just have to memorize their particular psychic patterns and then use it to communicate on a conscious or a subconscious level.

It depends on a lot of factors to be honest. You have to "prep them" in order to be able to send and receive even the most basic forms of telepathy.

Hmmm... so the highly randomized running experiments on the bus passengers might not necessarily work then...

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But I doubt very much that a relative would contact you in that way. Where that word comes from is a mystery.

But from reading members stories here and elsewhere (years before), it appears some ET's like to use "illusory representations" of dead relatives to communicate.

So beware of "dead relatives" whom claim or "beckon you" to have any kind of relationship with an ET.

Some people actually seem to fall for it. So just a warning in case it further develops on your end.

Shouldn't be a problem, I know it cannot be a dead relative of that nature as I have never been married, had a girlfriend, or children.

My life has been oddly punctuated with various nasty things happening to me, and unfortunately that means I'm not exactly that well versed in socializing.

That is not to say that women have not been interested in me, just that they had really bad character flaws that horrified me...

I am, however, wondering if it might be a different angle of manipulation playing on parental responsibility.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 11 May, 2009, 6:43am


10 May, 2009, 11:40pm, fore wrote:

10 May, 2009, 11:32pm, dove wrote:
Uh, do you guys think it had anything to do with the full moon? I know I have things that happen to me about this time of the month. No, I'm not talking about having a monthly period; I'm not *supposed* to be doing that anymore. ::)

Do you guys feel like you have children that are not in your everyday lives? I sense that I have a daughter somewhere, when I have only given birth to three (and a half) males, as far as I know.
I never understood what the moon has to do with anything. Though alot of mystics seem to believe in that.

It boggles my mind as to what one has to do with the other. So I guess I don't have a clue as to what the moon means to some people.

As for "high activity" times of the year. I think I have identified one or two (or maybe three) months of high activity in the year. But I am not supposed to talk about it.


Hmm...

Well, As Dood so kindly pointed out, there is quite a bit of correlation between the moon and the earth. It affects the tides, the behavior of people and animals, women's menstruation periods, and various other things.

There's probably a reason why the moon is written and sung about so much; classical musicians often use it for inspiration. We do have a strange fascination with our satellite.

We're definitely connected to it (and possibly in a very bad way, if you consider what has been said about it concerning our souls being recycled there...).

Personally, I was thinking about regularly-scheduled egg and sperm 'donation' nights and parental visitations (as described by abductees) of hybrid children who supposedly live on the moon. That's why I asked if you guys felt like you have children that you don't know about consciously.

Also, I just plain suspect that the moon is SO not what they tell us it is... :P
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 11 May, 2009, 9:56am


11 May, 2009, 6:43am, dove wrote:


Hmm...

Well, As Dood so kindly pointed out, there is quite a bit of correlation between the moon and the earth. It affects the tides, the behavior of people and animals, women's menstruation periods, and various other things.

There's probably a reason why the moon is written and sung about so much; classical musicians often use it for inspiration. We do have a strange fascination with our satellite.

We're definitely connected to it (and possibly in a very bad way, if you consider what has been said about it concerning our souls being recycled there...).

Personally, I was thinking about regularly-scheduled egg and sperm 'donation' nights and parental visitations (as described by abductees) of hybrid children who supposedly live on the moon. That's why I asked if you guys felt like you have children that you don't know about consciously.

Also, I just plain suspect that the moon is SO not what they tell us it is... :P
Actually dove that is a very good question.

Surprisingly I do not have any feelings of ever having had any children or ever having participated in breeding experiments.

They never did seem to be interested and I wasn't about to give even a single donation! :D ;) haha

I guess I am just not that hot a property? haha

If the males were like the warden. Then the advisor was akin to uber nun on the premises. Even before I hit puberty it became pretty plain that they didn't want me to have any children. But they never explained why. It was only later that they stated that someone else was on their mind. And like I said before, I don't agree with that kind of stuff.

EDIT: But I do feel I have met this mysterious woman before when we were small. I dunno why. I just somehow feel that we have probably already met before. Dunno why.

I have asked myself many times why they don't do that [breeding] stuff with me considering I seem to be pretty adept at psychic skills considering the norm.

I guess I am lucky (or unlucky, if you get to sleep with cute babes)

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How about the rest of you guys/gals? Do you feel any pending issues with any missing children in your lives?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 12 May, 2009, 7:27pm


11 May, 2009, 9:56am, fore wrote:

11 May, 2009, 6:43am, dove wrote:
Personally, I was thinking about regularly-scheduled egg and sperm 'donation' nights and parental visitations (as described by abductees) of hybrid children who supposedly live on the moon. That's why I asked if you guys felt like you have children that you don't know about consciously.

Also, I just plain suspect that the moon is SO not what they tell us it is... :P
Actually dove that is a very good question.


Thanks, I thought so... ;) :P


Quote:
Surprisingly I do not have any feelings of ever having had any children or ever having participated in breeding experiments.

They never did seem to be interested and I wasn't about to give even a single donation! :D ;) haha


I'm really surprised that you haven't been used for your genetics. That's pretty strange.

That's funny what you said about not giving a donation. :D

You'll notice that I put the word donation in quote marks...I do not consider it to be a donation, because most people do not give conscious consent to have their ovum and sperm taken from them to create hybrid entities. ::)


Quote:

I guess I am just not that hot a property? haha


lol ;D

I'm sure you're a hottie... :P

They probably just have other plans for you... ;)


Quote:
If the males were like the warden. Then the advisor was akin to uber nun on the premises. Even before I hit puberty it became pretty plain that they didn't want me to have any children. But they never explained why. It was only later that they stated that someone else was on their mind. And like I said before, I don't agree with that kind of stuff.

EDIT: But I do feel I have met this mysterious woman before when we were small. I dunno why. I just somehow feel that we have probably already met before. Dunno why.


Uber nun...that's funny. ;D

I think if you've met a mystery woman and feel some connection, then it's possible that you have had children with her. I'm sure they don't always tell people that they have been mated.


Quote:
I have asked myself many times why they don't do that [breeding] stuff with me considering I seem to be pretty adept at psychic skills considering the norm.


Yeah, like I said, that's pretty strange that they haven't used you for breeding purposes considering your psi ability. I thought that's what they were going for in the first place.


Quote:
I guess I am lucky (or unlucky, if you get to sleep with cute babes)


lol ;D

I've heard that some of the ET that people are made to have sex with are pretty strange-looking. So unless you were mated with a cutie human girl, then I would say you're lucky that you haven't had this opportunity. ;)

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Quote:

How about the rest of you guys/gals? Do you feel any pending issues with any missing children in your lives?


I have been asked by several people if I have a daughter. One psychic told me that she is alive. After I was told this by a couple people, I muscle tested to find out if it was true, and i got that i do have a daughter and that she *is* alive. I don't know how accurate my testing has been since I have a good deal of interference, but it does seem to confirm what psychics have told me.

I've never given conscious birth to a girl. All of the children that I have carried in the womb have been males, as far as I know including the set of twins that died before they fully matured in utero--one (which I'm sure was a boy since twin boys ran in my ex's family) became "unviable" early on in the pregnancy. The other was born at 4 1/2 months gestation and lived for 18 minutes. He was completely formed at the time my body wanted to release the first fetus, but he was too small to live.

I've also had times throughout my child-bearing years when I thought for sure I was pregnant, but then I would finally have a period or I would just suddenly feel as if I wasn't pregnant anymore. I can't remember how many times I've felt that way; too many.

So yeah, I guess you could say that I have an issue with one or more missing children...
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 12 May, 2009, 7:49pm


Quote:
There is a solution to this problem. What do ET's use to block someone from reading their thoughts. You've seen people refer to it before.


Thought screen helmet? :D

I'll have to think and look around some more. It's on the tip of my tongue, but I can't seem to let it out.


Fore, have your contacts ever given you any detailed information regarding their knowledge of genetics? I.E. techniques they use to clone, any kind of information regarding DNA, mRNA, gene expression, anything like that? Many sources indicate that our DNA is "changing" and this is kind of a strange concept. Especially when they go into something like, "12 helixes". I wonder if this has some truth to it.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 13 May, 2009, 12:00pm


12 May, 2009, 7:49pm, dreamoftheiris wrote:

Quote:
There is a solution to this problem. What do ET's use to block someone from reading their thoughts. You've seen people refer to it before.


Thought screen helmet? :D

I'll have to think and look around some more. It's on the tip of my tongue, but I can't seem to let it out.


It is a specific psychic phenomena when they want to block their thoughts. You may have seen many people refer to it.

If you can figure it out then you will have the answer to the problem you posed.

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If anyone else has a clue help him/her out on it.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 13 May, 2009, 1:21pm

Something that would probably be quite debilitating to both parties would be a feedback loop. I can imagine most psychic beings being "ecstatic" when their influence field exponentially vibrates at an ever increasing frequency...

Alternatively a better cancellation method might be mirrored anti-synchronization, the sum of which is nothing. It would be like screaming at a thin glass, and nothing happens, not the slightest vibration.

Those are the methods I'd experiment with personally [ I like a challenge ], but it'd take quite a bit of practice. There are also bound to be better methods involving plugging the tubes as it were.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 13 May, 2009, 6:32pm

You mean like tapping into the Void? That keeps coming up for me. Doing so requires you to vibrate at a frequency that is quite high and that tends to expel entites from the area, but doing so also increases influence patterns. Or at least, for me, if I do that, I'm fine for a while then they just come right back in. It might be because I get distracted and forget about the Void for a while and go back to "normal" consciousness forgetting to turn off the influence.

What is anti-synchronization? Thanks for your input, btw.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 13 May, 2009, 9:45pm


13 May, 2009, 1:21pm, pontificator wrote:
Alternatively a better cancellation method might be mirrored anti-synchronization, the sum of which is nothing. It would be like screaming at a thin glass, and nothing happens, not the slightest vibration.


Oh so close but your on the right track.

What would an anti-synchronization technique appear to be to most people? ;) ;D

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Remember one important thing folks, your not dealing with properties of the physical universe. Just because our minds interpret the raw psychic information in front of you as a "frequency oscillation" does not mean that it actually is.

It is just an interpretation by our mind.

An interpretation of a psychic experience of "non-physical phenomena".

The human brain is being fed information via the "higher [non-physical] mind". Our lower mind then tries to make sense of psychic phenomena in it's own version of understanding.


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That is why the previous post(s) I made a few weeks ago, show you how an interpretive imaginary model works.

Using your lower minds capacity for creating an imaginary and flexible interface is one way to go about it. An imaginary model can be used both as a control interface to regulate what information you need and what information to target. And/or it can be used to re-enact a simulation of information. (The imaginary library)

The "higher mind" that is a part of you is capable of extremely flexible expressions. Far more flexibility in expressions that even our lower mind cannot properly understand.

So defining a model of imagination to work as both a control board, and a representation board is an easy way to get coherent information.

Rather than the higher mind using expressions that the lower mind cannot understand. The lower mind sets up imaginary parameters for the communication process using it's most flexible and valuable asset. (The imagination)

But this imagination needs to be "tempered" to quell lower mind internal ramblings. (uncontrolled imaginations)

[Which is the natural state of individuals. Now you probably know why "spiritually advanced" individuals seek quiet places that's are devoid of distractions with rigid regimens. It's about regaining control over specific functions of the mind.]

And then the lower minds ability to form imaginary information is "re-purposed" from it's original purpose. Which used to be to allow uncontrolled imaginary creative processes at a persons whim. Your imagination needs to be re-educated or restrained to only process input from the Higher Mind.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 13 May, 2009, 10:41pm


13 May, 2009, 6:32pm, dreamoftheiris wrote:
You mean like tapping into the Void? That keeps coming up for me.


If I were you, I would discard the idea of "tapping into the Void".....!

There is nothing worse than that.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 15 May, 2009, 6:56pm


Quote:
If I were you, I would discard the idea of "tapping into the Void".....!

There is nothing worse than that.




Why's that?

I have an idea, but maybe you could explain it better.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 15 May, 2009, 7:01pm


13 May, 2009, 10:41pm, fore wrote:

13 May, 2009, 6:32pm, dreamoftheiris wrote:
You mean like tapping into the Void? That keeps coming up for me.


If I were you, I would discard the idea of "tapping into the Void".....!

There is nothing worse than that.


I think what Dreamer might be talking about is using the strength of the void, a.k.a., GOD. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think that's where he's going with that. That may not be his idea of GOD, but it kind of sounds like it. I think that many people envision GOD as the void, while some of them think of the light as a representation of the All That Is.

May I ask what is wrong with "tapping into the void"? Isn't that GOD? Why would there be nothing worse than that?

Where do you go for strength and backup?

Who/what do you think GOD is? Do you worship the god of the bible? Which one?

You don't think GOD is an old man sitting on a cloud with a staff in his hand do you?

To be honest, I'm a little surprised that you have such a strong belief in Jesus and all things biblical, simply because of your ET contact. In almost everything I've read regarding ET, they think humans are a little wacky for worshiping the biblical idea of god as an individual sitting up in heaven and passing out judgement.

They also do not see Jesus as a messiah, for the most part; depends on which ET you ask, I guess. Some of them go so far as to claim that he comes from them. I don't know about all that.

Most ET know that there is a source which we all come from, but it is not something they 'worship' in the way that humans have been conditioned to worship the god of the bible. Religion was given to us by corrupt ET as a way to control and manipulate people.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 16 May, 2009, 8:17pm

Fore~

I hope I didn't offend you by my blunt questions. Certainly, that was not my intent; I'm just very curious about the things I asked. I've only heard that ET doesn't worship a god, so it surprised me that one of their abductees would have the total opposite belief system (i.e. trusting that Jesus is their savior, and having faith that the bible is God's word and that it's totally accurate. If this is not your belief, then I apologize for misreading that about you.).

It would make sense if they truly are the ones who gave us our religions, as I suspect. They would obviously hold a different (if any) belief system from the one they tell us to possess, for purposes of control and manipulation.

Like I said, I'm sorry if my post was offensive or inappropriate. You don't have to answer if you don't feel comfortable with it.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by rev on 18 May, 2009, 12:35am

Void is the 5th element. Nothing to fear, well depending on your own consciousness anyways. Fire, Air, Earth, Water, all comprise the seen things and elements, Void is the 5th and it comprises space and all unseen/potential/energy. Everything comes from the void, so why fear it? Why cap yourself in such a way? In a weird way void is all of the physical aspects. Space is liquid or fluid like water and air, energies are comprised of fire and movements of earth or matter. If you have matter it only stands to reason you have anti matter, and anti matter is the void element.

If you don't seek yourself out in the void, you will probably never really find yourself. The physical elements which comprise the human are just that. There is that whole other half of the symbiosis. There is a reason they tell you to be afraid and avoid going there, too bad we all have to. On our own or pushed at the proper time which may appear or seem really inappropriate or even nasty, but still inevitable.

The perfect possession is one in which the victim is totally unaware or even in disbelief of the influece, just as the perfect form of mind control is one in which the victim is totally unaware of the control being played, and even believes his/her mind is free when in fact it is not. Always ask why you are shown and told things. Always consider the source. When the whole world is asleep, and the person responsible for the sleep suddenly decides to snap their fingers and wake some people up you have to wonder why that is?

Is that how a revolution starts? With a simple snap of the fingers? 3 to 1, now open your eye?

I'll see you guys underground. ;)


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 18 May, 2009, 1:36am


18 May, 2009, 12:35am, rev wrote:

I'll see you guys underground. ;)




k
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 18 May, 2009, 7:02am

Hey Rev~

Glad you stopped by again to add your outlook on the subject. ;)

It's good to see you, of course. Maybe you can visit the remote viewing thread I made sometime, to provide some advice for us newbies. :)

~~~

Fore~

Does your silence mean you're not going to answer me? :P

It's okay. I can understand why you wouldn't want to get into a conversation about your faith; it's a very personal thing. Sorry again, if I offended you by my questions. :-/
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 18 May, 2009, 11:02am

Excellent news, it would appear that the one that visited me has visited the wheelchair bound boy [ I am getting the right information to describe the beings demeanour, or one extremely similar ]. The boy described it as a VERY spiritual human form [matches nicely].

The child is attuned enough that he knew something was up, and looked through the window to see the distortion of a clocked vessel roughly 5 to 6 meters in diameter ( very small ship that one ).

Anyway, the visit was a friendly one [ it did not get out of the craft, and the boy does not know I was visited, I'm using the lack of information as a control ], and it is interesting what was communicated.

Essentially it indicated that we are in for a rough ride a few months after the 2012 date ( indication was it'll be a classic "oh nothing happened" [ triple eclipse ] on the date, then it'll get "exciting" initially due to extrapolating extreme weather conditions followed by an ice age ).

It indicated that the Human race must not die out, and that it would be along with a lot of others to prevent that from happening.

It indicated that the Human race is connected with the rest of the universe [ cool, got a buzz in the left ear ]. It indicated we have two generations left in our current form before a critical degeneration point, and need to be "upgraded".

If the human race dies out, or this planet is irreparably destroyed, then apparently the balance of the universe will go out of whack, and things will go really bad for everyone [ all ETs ].

That is what was communicated, I'm going to see if further information is forthcoming.

Personally this is either a plausible explanation, or a primer scenario. Oh, and unfortunately the visit fried the kids PCs... if the orange one is reading this please be more careful in the future.

So, Fore, where to from here?
Should I go along with this explanation, and plan accordingly, or is there a different take from what you know [ alternatively, just tell me at which points the friends of yours give you the do not write command, but only if it would be a positive acknowledgement, else say nothing ]?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 18 May, 2009, 8:08pm

pontificator I wasnt gonna say anything but I have also seen an orange man.

I became conscious and was laying in the middle of the living room. Prolly 6 foot tall half naked man came into my vision. He was glowing orange. He had muscles.

I also had the feeling I usually have when I experience an encounter.

I was conscious but I wasnt aware I was screaming and the man was trying to calm me down. I didnt and then I blacked out. When I remembered it later I realized I was screaming then.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 20 May, 2009, 1:40pm

369 draw a rough picture of the being that you saw, scan it, colour it roughly. I will do the same for the being I saw ( I'll ignore the grey, I only saw its eyes and forehead upside down... ).

The pictures should be posted in a new thread in this forum area called "Those who glow orange".

I will then start copying the current data from this thread to there, and then we can perform a specific analysis there as to motivation and meaning [ Wheelchair bound child, myself and you could be part of a specific group ].

Mean-time I'll post the Usual Q&A with Fore here :)

Now, interestingly the wheelchair bound child is able to pick-up when I'm focusing on an imaginary object in particular area of the room [ without prompting ]. He does not like me moving the imaginary objects though, as he has difficulty focusing. I was also impressed that he is able to pick-up if the object is disturbing or benign.

Test objects:
Skull on pole with glowing red eyes, horns, moving jaw, and a cackling laugh. Detected as weirding him out, he found the impression disturbing.
Sword rotating at high speed in orb-like fashion, moves around room. Detected as long red object moving.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 21 May, 2009, 1:19pm


15 May, 2009, 7:01pm, dove wrote:

13 May, 2009, 10:41pm, fore wrote:


If I were you, I would discard the idea of "tapping into the Void".....!

There is nothing worse than that.


I think what Dreamer might be talking about is using the strength of the void, a.k.a., GOD. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think that's where he's going with that. That may not be his idea of GOD, but it kind of sounds like it. I think that many people envision GOD as the void, while some of them think of the light as a representation of the All That Is.

May I ask what is wrong with "tapping into the void"? Isn't that GOD? Why would there be nothing worse than that?


I have always been told it is a spiritual prison of sorts. A place where negative entities can't really come back from on their own when they are taken there.

It might sound mystical and stuff. But I became aware of it via the advisor when she referenced some spiritual entities whom come through "weak spots" to our reality.

Point #1:

I was told our civilization is not yet [supposedly] aware about designing our structures (buildings) in a certain ways as to not impede certain invisible (influence) phenomena from forming and doing it's natural self regulation. These invisible dynamics of our reality cannot be seen by the naked eye in the physical spectrum.

As a psychic I have seen it myself first hand. So I know it is true enough.

Point #2: I was educated to understand that our global environment, when it is natural, it somehow seems to regulate these non-physical ("influence") charges in "proper" ways.

I noticed this was true when I left the city and entered into long stretches of urban areas.

In a city, the invisible non-physical (influence) charges become unstable because of our unintentional configuration of structures in a chaotic way. It creates abnormalities in the landscape of (influence) charges.

This in turn creates "problem areas" that tend to float about invisibly like large weather patterns. (I have seen this too)

Point #3:

These "imbalances" tend to create "problem areas" in certain sectors of our worldly reality where entities can force their way in.

Think of it like an as-of-yet-unknown phenomena of trans-dimensional sciences that we don't yet know about. (we are in the dark ages, I guess)

These areas become ~uneven~ in their properties and some areas are weak enough that the equilibrium of the (influence) charges changes enough drastically that anomalies appear. And it seemingly makes it easy for "fissures" to form.

(Vortexes, portals, paranormal hot spots)

ETC.

Point #4:

ET's supposedly use non-physical technologies and devices on a large scale to counteract this phenomena. (or thats the claim anyway.) They also implement planning projects to minimize the destructive effects of this phenomena.

So that the invisible layers of our reality circulates and balances itself properly. Sometimes even artificially blanketing large segments of their own world with an artificial blanket of these (influence) charges.

One of these devices she claimed was several artificial devices that the advisor called influence "generators" that emit artificially modified influence and keeps it artificially "heightened".

She once said it makes "the barrier" around their worlds extremely thick and hard to "penetrate". She also claimed at the time that their children don't experience paranormal "hot-spots" and the associated nightmares created by it.

They have their own non-physical environment artificially controlled.

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Having said all that, asking someone to tap into "the void", is like asking them to create a rift (an abnormal anomaly). An intentional "weak spot" that will eventually turn into a "hot spot" of paranormal events.

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There are many kinds of "void" in my lingo. It depends totally on the intention of what the persons thinks they are accessing or thinks they are doing.

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The void might refer to:


1) There is the habitat of the malevolent spiritual entities. Where some of the more *powerful entities* reside as they make their back and forth trips between realities (a place of refuge as far as I know). Also called by the guardian (quite literal) "the world underneath" (aka ?underworld?).

The only descriptions I have ever been told of it, are of a realm with an "abyss of incredible darkness" towards the innards of that reality. With the outer rim of this "abyss" being less severe in it's depth of darkness. Wandering malevolent spiritual entities with forms like a colorless jet black body builder type reside there. The guardian showed me in my mind a representation of what the rim looks like.

These class of entities are varied but they carry a far more significant malevolent presence than a regular run-of-the-mill entity. They are fairly sensitive to the state of the standard invisible "influence" in the environment. So they seek a "compromised" environment that is incredibly "unhealthy" as it is "less toxic" to them (or that is what I understand so far and have been told)

They reside in a refuge in the mean time. An alternate type of space that has been described to me as an "enveloping darkness". It supposedly a refuge full of malevolent types of "influence" permeating about. Which is what the spiritual entities exude and emanate when in close proximity. Very toxic. ( I confirmed this too)

I have only had one such encounter with such an entity from this refuge. (to the best of my knowledge) I will never forget the encounter.

(Source: The advisor and the Guardian)

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2) Another "void" type is the one that is spoken of by the Guardian alone. It is supposed to be a spiritual prison of some kind. She calls it "The Void".

It is one of two places where the guardian has told me they take and remove spiritual offenders.

When I have seen the Guardian and her fellow angels take the demons and phantoms at my request (and after asking God for permission). The demons/phantoms have never been seen from again. It appears to be a one way trip.

I have noticed that demons in particular, almost without exception, are scared terrified of "The Void". Whatever it is, it must be a terrible place.

I doubt this place could be accessed by anyone living. But you never know!

If you warn the demons about being taken to "the void". It seems to cause them sheer terror (as strange as it sounds that something could actually frighten them).

The general reaction by phantoms is usually incredible anger. They are not as smart as the demons. They usually seem to ~tempt fate~ and stick around long enough to be taken there. While demons are smart enough to flee much sooner...before they can get caught.

Or they are taken to what the guardian has told me is a place where they are processed. A place that is not "the void". The guardian has told me there are other "larger Guardians" who administer to ?long lines? of entities who are being assessed. Like a spiritual booking place I guess? Dunno.

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In either case, opening the void, even of the first type, is a very dumb idea if you ask me.

There are entities who will *confuse people* (and I have seen it happen). That will "pose" as good entities and *barter* with people until they think they are "good".

Hint: If you ever hear someone talking to something which tells them they need something from them in order to grant them something, then you know it is highly likely it is malevolent in nature.




15 May, 2009, 7:01pm, dove wrote:
Where do you go for strength and backup?

Who/what do you think GOD is? Do you worship the god of the bible? Which one?


In my belief there is only one legitimate God.

There is a distinction most people have to make though, just because you have supernatural abilities, it does not necessarily mean that someone is "drawing power" from God.

People have their own independent manifestation of paranormal abilities. The scriptures make it clear that even if you can perform supernatural feats it may not be, at all, related to God.

That is why it is generally forbidden. Without God's blessing you aren't doing His work. Period, full stop. No "if's", "an's" or "but's".



15 May, 2009, 7:01pm, dove wrote:
You don't think GOD is an old man sitting on a cloud with a staff in his hand do you?
God is no man. And yet, He could probably appear as anything He'd like. From a burning bush, to a man.


15 May, 2009, 7:01pm, dove wrote:
To be honest, I'm a little surprised that you have such a strong belief in Jesus and all things biblical, simply because of your ET contact. In almost everything I've read regarding ET, they think humans are a little wacky for worshiping the biblical idea of god as an individual sitting up in heaven and passing out judgement.


The advisor is no exception in your description. She didn't really seem to care if I became religious. She only had minor reservations that I did not pick up some "bad habits" that some religious people do eventually pick up.

I have tried my best in that regard not to pick up "bad habits".


15 May, 2009, 7:01pm, dove wrote:
They also do not see Jesus as a messiah, for the most part; depends on which ET you ask, I guess. Some of them go so far as to claim that he comes from them. I don't know about all that.

Most ET know that there is a source which we all come from, but it is not something they 'worship' in the way that humans have been conditioned to worship the god of the bible. Religion was given to us by corrupt ET as a way to control and manipulate people.

No comment.

P.S. I give advice based on my current understandings and past experience. I helped someone recently with a way to remove the entities from their home.

Sometimes we have to temper our mental machinations with reliable experience.

I tried my best to explain why it would be a bad idea to *try* to access the void from a pragmatic perspective.

People who punch holes in our reality and create hot-spots eventually become overwhelmed by negative influences which ruin their lives.

It can also be "infectious" and contaminate the lives of others nearby.

Even a skeptic may eventually treat people like that, as a plague. Even if they don't understand why, their better sense will guide them to avoid people who create spiritual "hot-spots". (bad luck or abnormal luck)

I'll talk about it more later if you are interested.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 21 May, 2009, 10:10pm


18 May, 2009, 12:35am, rev wrote:
Void is the 5th element. Nothing to fear, well depending on your own consciousness anyways. Fire, Air, Earth, Water, all comprise the seen things and elements, Void is the 5th and it comprises space and all unseen/potential/energy. Everything comes from the void, so why fear it? Why cap yourself in such a way? In a weird way void is all of the physical aspects. Space is liquid or fluid like water and air, energies are comprised of fire and movements of earth or matter. If you have matter it only stands to reason you have anti matter, and anti matter is the void element.


I believe that the mystics tradition of the four elements is based of the partial knowledge that they are components found to be natural modifiers of the influence.

The second invisible spectrum that non-physics are unaware of.

In an natural environment the properties of:

Fire > Light

Earth > Suspended particulate matter

Water > Naturally seems to act as a voluminous medium that transfers charges to different areas.

Wind > Regulates and acts as a second voluminous medium that transfers charges to different areas.

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It is mystical rendition of complex modifiers of the unseen. A kindergarten version of the understandings.

Something which was most likely used by mystics in their complex convoluted ideas.

These natural modifiers should regulate the livable environment. But when you set up structures (so the advisor said a long time ago) the environments don't regulate properly.

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While the void could possibly be seen and the uncreated of existence. It is, in my strong opinion, no place for men and women to be trying to reach it.

It is a more likely scenario that they will inadvertently access a different domain that is probably far more accessible than the actual void from which creation comes from according to the scriptures.

This "Void" that people are likely to reach may probably be a terrible place.

And people become partially possessed by entities they cannot sense or identify properly; which slowly winds itself into their lives. Until they can't tell what is up or down or right and wrong anymore.

Just emanating a strong psychic field of influence (like in a psychic) seems to create errant anomalies in the natural local environment.

It is, in my opinion, therefore not at all "a surprise" that people who emanate a strong "influence" charge will inadvertently (usually) create pockets of instabilities nearby or in close proximity to their residence.

I know I am talking about topics well in excess of most peoples understandings, but hopefully someone gets it.



18 May, 2009, 12:35am, rev wrote:
If you don't seek yourself out in the void, you will probably never really find yourself. The physical elements which comprise the human are just that. There is that whole other half of the symbiosis. There is a reason they tell you to be afraid and avoid going there, too bad we all have to. On our own or pushed at the proper time which may appear or seem really inappropriate or even nasty, but still inevitable.


There is nothing to find there, except trouble, in my opinion.

The only reason (IMO) why an entity would have anyone seek to access the void, is probably so that the unwitting fool can cause a fissure to allow them to pass through.

We are only so lucky (so far) that the entities who reside in the void are allegedly averse to our natural environments properties. And that they have small windows of opportunity to travel around before they have to go back.

I believe I have seen it mentioned as "the witching hour". (stupid name)

Obviously, I am not the only one over the centuries who has noticed some of these things. If the advisor hadn't explained it, and I had seen it myself, I wouldn't have believed a single word of it.

Experience turns into wisdom I guess.


18 May, 2009, 12:35am, rev wrote:
The perfect possession is one in which the victim is totally unaware or even in disbelief of the influece, just as the perfect form of mind control is one in which the victim is totally unaware of the control being played, and even believes his/her mind is free when in fact it is not. Always ask why you are shown and told things. Always consider the source. When the whole world is asleep, and the person responsible for the sleep suddenly decides to snap their fingers and wake some people up you have to wonder why that is?
Good advice in general.

But I would not put myself in the hands of some spiritual entity. Especially not in what they have to say about what the meanings are behind things.

I have been lucky enough to have enough of an education in various inter-related phenomena (and been skeptical enough) not to fall for some couriers of BS.


18 May, 2009, 12:35am, rev wrote:
Is that how a revolution starts? With a simple snap of the fingers? 3 to 1, now open your eye?

I'll see you guys underground. ;)



If you ask me why I have been told or introduced to all this, to be dead honest. I dunno. I wonder about it all the time.

Perhaps someone like the advisor or the people behind her have a reason to be sharing that much information?

In either case, their goal seems to be long term and far into the future at some distant point in time. In the meantime I think I will exercise prudence and try to figure it out on my own.

Little by little, I am learning more and more about everything. Mostly by building on what I already do know.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 21 May, 2009, 10:30pm


16 May, 2009, 8:17pm, dove wrote:
Fore~

I hope I didn't offend you by my blunt questions. Certainly, that was not my intent; I'm just very curious about the things I asked. I've only heard that ET doesn't worship a god, so it surprised me that one of their abductees would have the total opposite belief system (i.e. trusting that Jesus is their savior, and having faith that the bible is God's word and that it's totally accurate. If this is not your belief, then I apologize for misreading that about you.).
I don't offend that easily.

When I do get offended I will make it painfully obvious. ;D ;)

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The advisor believed in her own version of a God. It is somewhat of a mystery to me as to what it was all about. And she was seemingly careful and guarded from sharing it openly.

As far as I know, the advisor seemed to believe in a specific God or dynamic of three. It has plenty of parallels (it appears) to earthly religions. Some parallels seem to make me wonder if they aren't the ones who inspired some of our religious beliefs.

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I am glad that you brought up the subject of me being a believer in God/Jesus.

With her, it was not a real issue. I was allowed to believe what I wanted as far as religious beliefs. With few exceptions (mostly she asked me not to become a mindless type of believer) she didn't hold it against me.

God was the one who is responsible for my belief though. I always believed in God, I just didn't know Him well enough until a point in my life to know He was good.

When I passed that hurdle, the rest was fairly easy. But sometimes I still struggle like anyone else. But at the very least, my faith is well planted in God.

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The only things that the advisor did tell me, which I did not know then, was that the bible had been edited some and had changed a bit in it's original intention. She made ominous remarks that the was a compilation (I had thought at the time it was an actual book and not a series of books).

She also stated that she preferred if I did not take on some of the bad habits that some religious folks take on. I promised her I would try my best to not act like a religious savage.

She also told me that she didn't really care if I had a religious belief or not. It didn't seem to bother her one way or the other.

Though it did make her smile (to her amusement it seemed) when other people tried to get me to "exercise" her. She said she wasn't a spirit but that she would stand there while I did as they instructed.

And an angel appeared on one fateful night while the advisors friend was there. And the advisors friend was unaffected. (much to my surprise)

The advisors friend seemed to give mental expressions of amazement. As if she had never seen an angel before in person.

So something is pretty unique in my situation. I am pretty sure (or sure enough) that I am dealing with physically incarnate entities. I have seen the males, and they looked pretty "3D" to me.

I have also seen a physical UFO twice going in one direction and then in a reverse course when I wasn't convinced I had seen something extra-ordinary. (part of an agreement)

So whatever they are, they don't seem to be of the kind of ET whom has a religious agenda.


16 May, 2009, 8:17pm, dove wrote:
It would make sense if they truly are the ones who gave us our religions, as I suspect. They would obviously hold a different (if any) belief system from the one they tell us to possess, for purposes of control and manipulation.
I will be going further into that in a future thread.

I am frankly scared to broach the subject. And as of yet am unsure how I should proceed.


16 May, 2009, 8:17pm, dove wrote:
Like I said, I'm sorry if my post was offensive or inappropriate. You don't have to answer if you don't feel comfortable with it.


I may be slow in answering, but offense is not something you have to worry about.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 21 May, 2009, 10:32pm


18 May, 2009, 7:02am, dove wrote:


Fore~

Does your silence mean you're not going to answer me? :P

It's okay. I can understand why you wouldn't want to get into a conversation about your faith; it's a very personal thing. Sorry again, if I offended you by my questions. :-/


I don't mind. Go ahead.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 21 May, 2009, 10:45pm

Fore, thanks for all the information. It seems I was being led to "tap into it" so to speak. It's a bit confusing for me because when I did, it felt... very mystical. Very warm, comforting. Time standing still, bliss all over, no mind that sort of thing. I derived comfort in that, although this new bit of information you'd just shared is rather distrubing. I have seen what looks like a black cloud sometimes in my peripherals. Although, I don't feel under the influence of negative entities, I.E. my life is going well, nothing abnormal has happened, nothing demonic or anything like that.

I have to admit, though, it does seem like I may have been talking about something else. When I was in that state, it was like merging with space. Becoming "one with all things", so that you look at something and there is little boundary separating your own conscious awareness from the object observed. Doing so kinda felt like "tapping" or "jumping" into space. Does this sound like opening a dimensional rift? A portal?

I'll have to mull this over.



Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 22 May, 2009, 5:00am

Fore what did the advisor say about Marijuana?
Or any info on drugs period.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 22 May, 2009, 5:58am


21 May, 2009, 10:45pm, dreamoftheiris wrote:
Fore, thanks for all the information. It seems I was being led to "tap into it" so to speak. It's a bit confusing for me because when I did, it felt... very mystical. Very warm, comforting. Time standing still, bliss all over, no mind that sort of thing. I derived comfort in that, although this new bit of information you'd just shared is rather distrubing. I have seen what looks like a black cloud sometimes in my peripherals. Although, I don't feel under the influence of negative entities, I.E. my life is going well, nothing abnormal has happened, nothing demonic or anything like that.

I have to admit, though, it does seem like I may have been talking about something else. When I was in that state, it was like merging with space. Becoming "one with all things", so that you look at something and there is little boundary separating your own conscious awareness from the object observed. Doing so kinda felt like "tapping" or "jumping" into space. Does this sound like opening a dimensional rift? A portal?

I'll have to mull this over.




Actually, it sounds almost exactly like Aldous Huxley's experience with mescaline, in which he felt at one with the world and he was able to be a chair and such.

What kind of thoughts did you have during this state?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 22 May, 2009, 6:08am

@ Fore

I have a feeling that Rev is speaking of something more abstract than the psychic or physical level. I may be wrong, but it may be a more spiritual idea he is conveying. When I read his post, the first thing I thought of was the Buddhist notion of emptiness. It is in this sense that tapping into the void would make sense, to me at least.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 22 May, 2009, 6:15pm

No thoughts, although when thinking did start, the experience was limited. It was like having total control of your thought process so you could choose to think or not think at your will.

Actually, as I remember there was some fear there, only in the sense that, "Wow, this is strange, I wanna go back now" kinda thing.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 22 May, 2009, 6:22pm

IMO, there are distinct differences in the two types of void, and I do think that intention has everything to do with where you end up. I agree that if one's intentions are not exact, they could very well cause problems.

I've never attempted to "tap into the void" in the same sense that Dreamer has, but i do think i've created portals (if unintentionally for the most part). This had nothing to do with me wanting to do anything regarding the void. Well, it might in a sense. My intention was to clear my home and send them back to where they came. I think i may have created portals by doing that. I'm in a bit of hot water because of it, though, so I don't recommend anyone do this unless they know what they're doing. :P

Fore, I do have many things to say in response to your latest replies to me, however I don't know when i will get around to it. When I try to do so, I get a visit, or I get sleepy or unmotivated to post. Besides that, I am kind of busy doing other things.

Just in case I don't get around to doing a full reply, I wanted to touch on one thing you said about going to the void for power. When I asked you where you go for strength, I wasn't referring to gaining power for psi abilities. That was far from what I meant.

I was talking about inner strength--the kind that allows you to keep going when there is nothing left to believe in and you don't know where else to turn.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 23 May, 2009, 12:40am


22 May, 2009, 6:22pm, dove wrote:
IMO, there are distinct differences in the two types of void, and I do think that intention has everything to do with where you end up. I agree that if one's intentions are not exact, they could very well cause problems.

I've never attempted to "tap into the void" in the same sense that Dreamer has, but i do think i've created portals (if unintentionally for the most part). This had nothing to do with me wanting to do anything regarding the void. Well, it might in a sense. My intention was to clear my home and send them back to where they came. I think i may have created portals by doing that. I'm in a bit of hot water because of it, though, so I don't recommend anyone do this unless they know what they're doing. :P
While it appears that you have all the hints of a paranormal problem. Your case is not as intense as it could be.

Intention is everything, as you yourself said. Tell your abilities to do the wrong thing and it will do it as instructed. In most people this seems to be mitigated (from my observations) from the poor focus and the lack of psychic intensity that they display.

That and the mechanisms that are typically employed by run of the mill psychic, leaves them a psychic "cripple" in terms of functionality. (imo)

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I noticed that the ET's are fairly focused and organized in their thinking patterns. So they seem to be able to create paranormal and super-natural effects with minimal effort.

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On a side note:

Believe that the two void's may refer to two different things after doing some research.

Sheol seems to be one of them.

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol ]
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol#Book_of_Enoch ]


And

Tartarus seems to be the other.

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartarus ]

I have seen Scarz refer to them, but never really taken a deep look at it. But it sounds about right.

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The two different voids, may also refer to the concept of the "jail" of the Second Heaven according to Enoch. I dunno much about it to be honest.

But it fits well enough to what is described by the Guardian when I asked her repeatedly (on an unrelated question) to show me what a fallen angel looks like, a couple of years ago.



22 May, 2009, 6:22pm, dove wrote:
Fore, I do have many things to say in response to your latest replies to me, however I don't know when i will get around to it. When I try to do so, I get a visit, or I get sleepy or unmotivated to post. Besides that, I am kind of busy doing other things.
Same as me!


22 May, 2009, 6:22pm, dove wrote:
Just in case I don't get around to doing a full reply, I wanted to touch on one thing you said about going to the void for power. When I asked you where you go for strength, I wasn't referring to gaining power for psi abilities. That was far from what I meant.

I was talking about inner strength--the kind that allows you to keep going when there is nothing left to believe in and you don't know where else to turn.
God.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 23 May, 2009, 1:49am


Quote:
On a side note:

Believe that the two void's may refer to two different things after doing some research.

Sheol seems to be one of them.

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol ]
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol#Book_of_Enoch ]


And

Tartarus seems to be the other.

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartarus ]





That is definitely not what I was referring to.


I guess I should have said, "seeing God in all things", energy, consciousness, that sort of thing. Deriving strength in God by actually witnessing Spirit manifest itself in all things. Seeing God in everything, the "universe in a grain of sand". In Eastern philosophy, this entails feeling "Void" or no-thingness surrounding and inside you and everything. This causes a connection to happen as you are a part of God, so is a flower or tree or joe schmo down the street. To go back into the nature of mind which is sky like, free, infinite.


But you have taught me to be more careful about what I am led to and shown.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 23 May, 2009, 5:32pm


23 May, 2009, 1:49am, dreamoftheiris wrote:


I guess I should have said, "seeing God in all things", energy, consciousness, that sort of thing. Deriving strength in God by actually witnessing Spirit manifest itself in all things. Seeing God in everything, the "universe in a grain of sand". In Eastern philosophy, this entails feeling "Void" or no-thingness surrounding and inside you and everything. This causes a connection to happen as you are a part of God, so is a flower or tree or joe schmo down the street. To go back into the nature of mind which is sky like, free, infinite.


But you have taught me to be more careful about what I am led to and shown.


Out of curiosity -

Given what you experienced, would you agree that a flower is infinitely important and that a human is infinitely more important?

Also, I would like to know if you can tap into that state of consciousness through memory, kind of like how Fore sometimes mentions him activating psychically when he discusses higher level abilities.

I would suggest you read Doors of Perception, sir. Huxley's experience on mescaline almost completely mirrors your experience, as I mentioned before. It would also go a long way as to explain why mind altering substances have been so intertwined with religiosity in almost every culture for as long as we can tell.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 23 May, 2009, 6:17pm

It is easier to see infinity in a flower than a human (due to our lack of awareness)- when I look in people's eyes I see immense suffering or some other form of fear or attachement. I didn't notice it before, but it's obvious now. Most people anyway. I see it in myself sometimes, too.

"Everything is hidden--except our pain" - Giacomo leopardi ;)


Given the experiences, I would say that a flower is immensely important, but a human is more important. We can influence our environment- psychically and physically. We have come to a point in our evolution where we can be gods if we want or slaves to other gods as is the case now.

No, it's not through memory. It happens through meditation, in a calm and focused state. It lasts, though I.E. you can take the awareness with you and see "infinity in a grain of sand" kind of thing all the time, except when something drags you down- past attachments coming up through various events in your life. That something could also be ET intervention (as Montaulk stated on his site "Clipping of wings") or entities coming into the area due to vortex's forming or things like this.

I like to think that maybe it's just you showing yourself what you need to work on. I think it happens to everyone all the time, except most people aren't aware of it and pass it off as bad luck, bad karma, bad this or that instead of looking at the problems head on and dealing with them.

I've read The Doors of Perception a few years ago, but it was bit confusing at the time. I should pick it up again. Probably would get more out of it now :D
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 23 May, 2009, 6:27pm


22 May, 2009, 5:00am, 369 wrote:
Fore what did the advisor say about Marijuana?
Or any info on drugs period.
She let me know a VERY long time ago (I don't remember the age) that I was never to do any drugs or drink alcohol.

I wasn't interested in either case. I never understood the fascination that people have with drugs. Not even for psychic experiences.

It seems to me to be counter-intuitive to think of putting strange substances in your own body without knowing the consequences.

Also, under her instruction it was completely unnecessary even to use any drugs or mind altering substances. She said that drugs caused a "de-syncing" effect with respect to the psychic field.

I dunno if that is true or not. But it makes sense that if you take drugs it would impact your psi abilities.

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I have only drunk a few shots of tequila during one party. Nasty stuff even with the lemon. Makes me wonder what the appeal is to do drug or drink alcohol?

I think that people drink as a form of "social medication" or something.

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Anyway, having any mind altering experiences while under the influence of alcohol or drugs doesn't sound like a valid experience. At least not to me.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wynderer on 23 May, 2009, 6:41pm

Hi Fore -- i recently read one of Fritz Springmeier's books about the Monarch mind-control program -- he says that the 'handlers' used all sorts of drugs, both natural and man-made, with the exception of marijuana, as that interfered with mind control. Being both a recovering alcoholic/old hippie who did my share of mind altering drugs, and also an empath with some psychic abilities, i agree with you re drugs as a gateway to psychic perceptions. i never quite trusted what i perceived while under the influence. drugs also open one to the lower astral realms, imo

as you seem to be a rather pure and strong soul, may i explain to you that life as it is can be so unbearable (or boring) to many that escape/oblivion in alcohol or drugs is welcome.

Peace, wynderer


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 23 May, 2009, 8:07pm

I would think that drugs, being an artificial means of opening up different states of consciousness (including psychic awareness), have a tendency to screw up the energetic patterns of the body, since it does chemically alter your consciousness to begin with.

On Fore's question about the use of drugs at all, the tradition of using drugs in the first place seems to be rooted in the fact that religious experiences can be had from ingesting these plants or concoctions (alcohol, ayahuasca, synthesized drugs like cocaine or LSD). It's been suggested that religion may have been derived from the accidental ingestion of these agents.

I personally do not agree that drugs should "never be taken, ever" because the perceptions a psychically-inhibited person would have under the influence of mind altering substances are extensions of reality that they were previously unaware of. It is useful, but only in a controlled fashion. I personally think that shamans are the only way to use these substances in a useful way, unless one is a shaman themselves or needs to deal with it on their own for whatever reason (ala spirit quests).

By the way, "social medication" is close. It is used to make people open up.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 24 May, 2009, 9:46am



;D

:P
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by p3ac3k33p3r on 24 May, 2009, 2:25pm

fore im very open minded i had dreams of my two past life and had an encounter once i can feel energy given of objects sometimes and i sometimes know stuff before it happes, fore i wanna ask you a favoure i want to advance in my abilities i know i can do it and use it for the good of the human kind and also fore is there a way for me to visit the council and talk to them and reason with them about my life.
i had visions of my dog dieing but i ignored it he was my very best friend and family, he died a month later after my vision.

please fore i need your help and guidance i will do anything to visit the council and reason with them
fore help me
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by p3ac3k33p3r on 24 May, 2009, 2:36pm

dear olddood

i am 16 years old i was born on the date the sun changes its axis on 21st june sence 12 years old i have experienced things a normal human boy would not. I went to see a priest some guy called joe and he said that my mission is not like any other persons that i am going to shake the very own foundation of this planet but i highly doubt it.

any way back to the point sence 12 i had a case of some kind of vision i saw my dog get hit by a car and my mum telling me that it died. Exactly one month later this happened every year my ability just last week i was sitting at home and i closed my eyes and said military plane crash and it happened or 1 month ago i was sitting in a fast food joint i saw 2 cars same thing happened closed my eyes and said 5 dead head on collision on the motorway sadly that happened too.

this month my ability is more stronger i can feel energy given of objects or such things as having my memory come back from my last 2 past lifes. i am also able to mind read most of the people i can pick up the color or the movement of things they think off. I also want to build strange things which is really freaking me out.

fore talks about a higher council but for some reason i cant reach out to them or make contact with them.
seriously my life is in runes first my problem with my legs, then my best friend who was a dog dies and whole bunch of other stuff.

over this year for past whew months my abilities have growen of the scale i need some one who can teach me the full potential and guide me through the last 3 and a half years before the bad stuff goes down. i am freaking out and need help my powers are unstable and i have hurt my mum 2 days ago because of my powers i need help.

i do not know how to explain this but i am really scared to tell others until my friend showed me this forum. I am really freaking out and it makes me feel strange and not like others.

i no you wont believe me but i am willing to do a lie detecter test just to prove my point.

with kind regards,

P3ac3K33p3r
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by olddood on 24 May, 2009, 2:42pm

p3ac3k33p3r,
Thanks for asking for help. Maybe Fore can help you here.
He is way more in-tune to such things then I am.

I would suggest to start a thread of your own though.
This is Fore's thread and I am fairly sure he doesn't mind you asking for help in here but, to continue this you really need your own thread so we stay on topic in this one.

Make Sense? Thanks for understanding...
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by p3ac3k33p3r on 24 May, 2009, 2:43pm

sorry about the dear old dood i just copied the messege i wrote im what is happening to me
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by olddood on 24 May, 2009, 2:48pm

It is OK. We understand. I am just trying to help you as best as I can...

It's ALL good! :)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by p3ac3k33p3r on 24 May, 2009, 2:49pm

oh my god i had the worste experience possible 3 days ago i had the worste thing happen to me
i rented a moive to watch and i started watching it exactly at 7pm i had a scene from a movie showing up to me and straight away i knew something bad will happen to my close ones 2 hours later my mum came from work a machine cut her finger to the bone exactly at 7:10pm im freaking out because this is starting to effect my family
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 26 May, 2009, 3:47pm

Fore ~

Sorry if I offended you with the video I posted; of course I didn't mean to do so. I was just teasing you. ;)

I know what you must think of me. Just remember that not all of us had an advisor guiding us as we were growing up. :P


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 26 May, 2009, 5:48pm

:D @ Dove.

Fore, you mentioned that you and your advisor had history together and that you tended to brush that off as nonesense or what have you. Do you still think this way? Or do you feel you were just a random "experiment"? Also, did she ever reveal anything at all about your past besides the things you've mentioned? I'm thinking of things like Rev posted in detail about his history in Atlantis and the supposed history he had with his group of contacts. Of course, it is always possible anything like that is just a way to keep the contactee around.


Also, I'm still wondering if your guys ever mentioned anything about techinques they use to clone or any other biology related information.

And anything about "holographic inserts"? How they work specifically or if they are actually being used.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 26 May, 2009, 8:42pm

You people want to turn off your powers?
Well while your at it why don't you guys just stab your eyes?

And fore you need to get everything that is stopping you out your way.Even yourself. I can understand why you would turn off your powers. To see if the grass is greener, but now that you see how blind people truly are...why are you ****ing still wearing a blindfold?

You want to live some "normal" life. What a joke. Get over yourself and be all that you can be.

And I doubt me posting this will effect you all that greatly.

but I've talked to your contacts and they told me that this post won't help you and when you ask if this is true they will just call me crazy.

they told me that if I post this I will just lose my respect around the community when you post that they have never talked to me. and i will lose my opportunity fully to help you and that the window of opportunity is not now.

but im gonna post it anyways

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by colquitt on 26 May, 2009, 9:32pm

Wow. I apparently have some catching up to do.

Just based on 369's pose directly above-

I think we "norms" are all quite jealous of your ability, Fore. Your life seems quite extraordinary and I can empathize with why you would strive for such an antiquated existence. The irony is that those of us with the life you want would instantly switch spots with you. I wanna have super cool powers and commune with the otherworldly. You can have my boring life, but I'm keeping my wife. Fair trade?

Truth is though, there is no such thing as a "normal" life. It's all a mass charade of perceptions juxtaposed upon desires, and that's not even mentioning the mindless psychic manipulations we don't even realize are going on. The only normal thing that exists is birth and death, everything in between is just hallucinatory. That's the only tie that binds our flurry of perceptional debts and gains- the fact that we all know deep inside that this will all fade.

I can't argue that what you are doing is wrong, if you are indeed taking the plunge into the banal and mundane. There is no right or wrong, anyway. I can say that you are blessed, and I would hope that you would see this and put that work into making this mass hallucination a better place for us all.

If the things the advisor has told you about the coming reckoning are true, then you can lay down and die, or you can fight.

Maybe it's just the humanity in me, but I'd rather see you fight.

Just remember this, sir:

You make the future. The future doesn't make you.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 26 May, 2009, 10:21pm


26 May, 2009, 8:42pm, 369 wrote:
You people want to turn off your powers?
Well while your at it why don't you guys just stab your eyes?

And fore you need to get everything that is stopping you out your way.Even yourself. I can understand why you would turn off your powers. To see if the grass is greener, but now that you see how blind people truly are...why are you ****ing still wearing a blindfold?

You want to live some "normal" life. What a joke. Get over yourself and be all that you can be.

And I doubt me posting this will effect you all that greatly.

but I've talked to your contacts and they told me that this post won't help you and when you ask if this is true they will just call me crazy.

they told me that if I post this I will just lose my respect around the community when you post that they have never talked to me. and i will lose my opportunity fully to help you and that the window of opportunity is not now.

but im gonna post it anyways
I have started to notice that people think psychic abilities or "ascension" [in new age speak] are going to grant them some marvelous life.

Some of that comes from channelers and some of it comes from ET apparently. Some of it even seems to come from old age beliefs.

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So I am going to ask:

@ Everyone

What do you believe you would gain if you were in my position?

What do you think would manifest?

What are your expectations?

I want to see what your ideas are vs the reality of it. This is gonna be really insightful for me.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 26 May, 2009, 11:49pm


26 May, 2009, 10:21pm, fore wrote:
I have started to notice that people think psychic abilities or "ascension" [in new age speak] are going to grant them some marvelous life.

Some of that comes from channelers and some of it comes from ET apparently. Some of it even seems to come from old age beliefs.


I know this.

But everything in this society is implace to take/compress and fool you into believe that either abilities are not real/toys/gain them with no work/have no negative effects.

If you watched entertainment you would see these common themes when they have movies about it.

Every time I ask someone what they would do with a psi power like telekinesis they say something irresponsible and materialistic.

Fore its obviously your choice, but you are just falling into what people have had drilled into there head since day one.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 27 May, 2009, 12:57am


26 May, 2009, 11:49pm, 369 wrote:

26 May, 2009, 10:21pm, fore wrote:
I have started to notice that people think psychic abilities or "ascension" [in new age speak] are going to grant them some marvelous life.

Some of that comes from channelers and some of it comes from ET apparently. Some of it even seems to come from old age beliefs.


I know this.

But everything in this society is implace to take/compress and fool you into believe that either abilities are not real/toys/gain them with no work/have no negative effects.

If you watched entertainment you would see these common themes when they have movies about it.

Every time I ask someone what they would do with a psi power like telekinesis they say something irresponsible and materialistic.

Fore its obviously your choice, but you are just falling into what people have had drilled into there head since day one.


Okay, I understand you know it. But I still did want to hear what others thought it might be like just to learn what the average person thinks about the other side of the fence and where the ideas originate from.

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Can you use abilities responsibly? Yes.

It is going to take a pretty significant change on many levels of a persons thinking, reasoning, morals and their ethics. (probably alot more than that)

What happens when you can do something unique that someone else can't do? How long until the temptation creeps up on you that you want your way, even through surreptitious means?

Like I have written before, in my case, more effort is expended in keeping vigilant over not, using it than using it. It's a burden.

When your psi abilities don't work well, you don't have to worry as much. Cause what you want to manifest isn't easily attainable.

But when your psi abilities work perfectly well, it becomes a high maintenance job to keep it in check as your thoughts and emotions give your psi abilities a manifest-able outcome.

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Maybe that is why I have and continue to be watched like a hawk by my ET contacts. And why I am hesitant to use them for anything.

On top of that, there are real consequences from activating those abilities. In my case, high levels of activation cause physical stress as the fields are fairly significant. [you weren't around when my abilities were above the 20% threshold of activation].

There is also the mental stress of perceiving anything your directing your intent or focus onto. It takes quite some skill to keep it under control and in a passive state.

When I talk to people online, I usually have music being piped through my headset to make sure I don't focus too much on them. [ psi abilities inadvertently turn on by themselves].

When in person, right now, my abilities don't have a high enough level of activity to affect people physiologically. Before it did, and people would get throbbing and "stabbing" headaches.

The local environment was so swamped with my field and the adjacent fields of paranormal entities who were sticking around nearby for years on end, that no "normal life" could be sustained.

It is like having a paranormal shadow following you around influencing anyone nearby.

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One member just now mentioned keeping his wife.

Think deeply about this for a moment, how long do you think he could keep his wife and relationship in a happy state with paranormal entities walking to and fro across his home?

How long do you think the peace would last for them, as the entities gather around as they sleep and drain influence from them. They will wake up even more tired, sleepy and with pain than when they went to sleep.

Or how about this:

How long do you think his wife would maintain emotional stability when entities, whom she cannot see with her physical eyes, impress upon her irregular thought transference?

A mental nudge here, and mental nudge there. Eventually (if she is not a mentally strong individual) she will succumb to errant thoughts that are not her own. These paranormal entities can also cause emotional disturbances and/or skew the contents of your feelings.

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Lets see how long the marriage lasts in those severe conditions.

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I have only found two answers so far to mitigating some of these problems. I now know how to turn off my abilities. But I do not know if they will turn off properly at activations levels greater than 10% of my full capability.

I now know how to get rid of the entities (or at least try to) when one of them pesters me or my family.

I am working on the third problem which is health. I was accustomed to keeping my abilities turned on since age 5. But at older ages when it became significantly longer and the activations were sustained around the clock in ever increasing levels. It became obvious that my body began to suffer detrimental effects from the sustained activations.

So far I have been slowly trying to fix the damage and hope that after four years of ever decreasing levels, the damage would heal by itself. So far, it is a work in progress in understanding the problems and figuring out a work around.

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The last problem is temptation.

Keeping yourself in check to make sure you don't want to do something which is not ethically sound or immoral.

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From my point of view, we live in a fairly primitive society (if you don't mind me saying so).

"There is no technology" to depend upon when I run into a psi-related problem.

There is only my ET group. And dealing with them is a game in and of itself. They are the only ones with the technology and the knowledge to answer my questions and "correct/tweak" things when something is not working right.

There is no earthly source of non-physical healthcare.

The ones who do have a passing interest in these topics are more like mystical shamen huddled around a fire sharing wild ideas with a twinkle of insanity in their eyes.

It's like dealing with quacks. So your on your own if something doesn't work right or you face some kind of difficulty and you don't know how to fix it.

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"Shamen" at work (and the consequences of ignorance):

If you thought it was a "great idea" to pull out influence from your chest to enhance your "spiritual emotions"....and instead you notice your heartbeat turning irregular ::).

You can't do anything about it, other than pray you didn't do something wrong to yourself. (Read: you are SOL [Sorry Out of Luck]

There is no one to turn to, except the ER at your local hospital and hope to God they can fix whatever you mysteriously did to yourself.

[Only an imaginary example of the "bright ideas" the mystics might possibly do when left alone]

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So when you step outside and look at the wide open world in it's full glory, you have to decide. Am I competent enough to face all the problems that will arise from having these new found abilities?

Or will you bungle it and mess up your life?

At your fingertips you will have varying levels of abilities to change the unseen-spectrum of reality that science does not yet know about.

You'll likely have the ability to affect another persons emotions at the very least. That means that you'll notice when you hug your wife or daughter or son or whomever. You'll have to be careful not to alter their weaker psychic patterns.

When you bend down to touch your dogs/cats nose, you'll have to be careful not to inadvertently inject human psychic patterns into their doggy/kitty patterns. (it makes them sick)

When you deal with co-workers and friends, or just about anyone, you have to be careful you are not projecting fields unconsciously. Making sure not to be altering their mindset and/or emotional constitution.

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People might read all this and say: "Get real fore!"

But this is what it entails. If you have very weak psychic abilities, you don't need to worry. If you have very strong psychic fields and develop pretty well, you have to be vigilant.

Otherwise, you'll probably notice other peoples minds slowly bending to your intent. Or a partner or loved ones emotions being tainted or transfixed by your intense emanations.

There are no free lunches.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 27 May, 2009, 7:13am

I had similar thoughts, regarding ethics and the downsides (most of which I'm learning by reading your thread). I would think the use of psychic abilities would be more suitable in situations where something has to go right, like a major decision, while making sure that the ability to experience life "naturally" can remain as intact as possible. Tip-toeing around the landmines of being too knowledgable of the outcome, having health issues, and the constant shaping of reality to one's own desires may impact oneself as well as others negatively. I like to think of it as being the sole owner of a gun when everyone else has a knife and deciding which situations justify the use of the gun instead of other means.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 27 May, 2009, 8:06pm


27 May, 2009, 12:57am, fore wrote:

What happens when you can do something unique that someone else can't do? How long until the temptation creeps up on you that you want your way, even through surreptitious means?

Like I have written before, in my case, more effort is expended in keeping vigilant over not, using it than using it. It's a burden.

Then who is gonna expand our consciousness?
Just look at all the alien races that come to this planet. You don't think they had to work hard to be where they are?


27 May, 2009, 12:57am, fore wrote:

When your psi abilities don't work well, you don't have to worry as much. Cause what you want to manifest isn't easily attainable.

But when your psi abilities work perfectly well, it becomes a high maintenance job to keep it in check as your thoughts and emotions give your psi abilities a manifest-able outcome.

Why am I the only one without problems?


27 May, 2009, 12:57am, fore wrote:

On top of that, there are real consequences from activating those abilities. In my case, high levels of activation cause physical stress as the fields are fairly significant. [you weren't around when my abilities were above the 20% threshold of activation].

There is also the mental stress of perceiving anything your directing your intent or focus onto. It takes quite some skill to keep it under control and in a passive state.

Have you ever tried teaching your family?
Or living alone? (I understand your priorities so you dont have to tell me)


27 May, 2009, 12:57am, fore wrote:

The local environment was so swamped with my field and the adjacent fields of paranormal entities who were sticking around nearby for years on end, that no "normal life" could be sustained.

As in plants?

27 May, 2009, 12:57am, fore wrote:

One member just now mentioned keeping his wife.

Think deeply about this for a moment, how long do you think he could keep his wife and relationship in a happy state with paranormal entities walking to and fro across his home?

How long do you think the peace would last for them, as the entities gather around as they sleep and drain influence from them. They will wake up even more tired, sleepy and with pain than when they went to sleep.

Or how about this:

How long do you think his wife would maintain emotional stability when entities, whom she cannot see with her physical eyes, impress upon her irregular thought transference?

A mental nudge here, and mental nudge there. Eventually (if she is not a mentally strong individual) she will succumb to errant thoughts that are not her own. These paranormal entities can also cause emotional disturbances and/or skew the contents of your feelings.

Why do you think they are ment to be then?
I would tell her what/why everything is happening and then she should decide if she wants to stay with him.

But I see you are just making a point.
But if all the men/women in the world just gave up on expanding humanities endeavors aka degens then you would see chains on everyone's leg.


27 May, 2009, 12:57am, fore wrote:

I have only found two answers so far to mitigating some of these problems. I now know how to turn off my abilities. But I do not know if they will turn off properly at activations levels greater than 10% of my full capability.

I now know how to get rid of the entities (or at least try to) when one of them pesters me or my family.


You ever try love?
I mean it's the only thing that I see different between the people with problems with those entities and the people without problems.
I'm sure there are other ways, but love is pretty simple.


27 May, 2009, 12:57am, fore wrote:

There is only my ET group. And dealing with them is a game in and of itself. They are the only ones with the technology and the knowledge to answer my questions and "correct/tweak" things when something is not working right.

Then you have to change the way it is most efficient to handle you in a way that you like. Don't forget your human and you can be ignorant when ever you want. They can't. That is a great advantage esp. over greys.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 27 May, 2009, 9:31pm


27 May, 2009, 8:06pm, 369 wrote:

27 May, 2009, 12:57am, fore wrote:

What happens when you can do something unique that someone else can't do? How long until the temptation creeps up on you that you want your way, even through surreptitious means?

Like I have written before, in my case, more effort is expended in keeping vigilant over not, using it than using it. It's a burden.

Then who is gonna expand our consciousness?
Just look at all the alien races that come to this planet. You don't think they had to work hard to be where they are?


Who do you think should "expand" our consciousness? ???

I wasn't aware anyone had put ET to that official task other than the ET making it up themselves. (in their rubbish)

I have been traveling around the net to other forums to study one group in particular. So far I have found no actual principles being shared to "expand awareness". Just alot of lying on the part of the ET's and mass attempts (imo) at brainwashing. Most of the folk following those ET's haven't even the knowledge of the basics.

Their thoughts on "ascension" are pretty varied and deeply unrealistic about what they think ascension actually is.

I suspect it is a universal condition and not specific to any specific place. Next I will try to get a handle on "benevolent" ET sources and see just what kind of information is being shared and whether any of it is of a pragmatic nature. I will also be looking at whether there is a genuinely positive effect on the individuals or whether it is simply ideological indoctrination and whether any actual fundamental principles are actually shared.




27 May, 2009, 8:06pm, 369 wrote:
Why am I the only one without problems?
What level of abilities do you possess and can you exercise any of them to a significant level?



27 May, 2009, 8:06pm, 369 wrote:
Have you ever tried teaching your family?
Or living alone? (I understand your priorities so you dont have to tell me)


Yes, I have tried. But I don't teach them anything significant except a few basic pinciples because I am not interested in them having uncontrolled abilities and the manifestations thereof.

My brother can do healing pretty well. But lacks the skill to expel foreign influence from his fields.

[I have just been told not to speak of specifics.]

My mother can sense the same phenomena as me. (actually just about everyone except my sister)

Her abilities are fairly limited. Mostly perceptual because I have modified her influence to a mild degree during several experiments.

It appears that it is fairly easy to activate the abilities in specific people. And fairly difficult in others.

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About living alone, I still am picking up the pieces of the last 22 years. It takes time ;).



27 May, 2009, 8:06pm, 369 wrote:
As in plants?


Actually, anything within a dense influence field is affected in abnormal ways. People, animals, a home etc.

Things don't operate as they should.

[Someone (again) told me to stop there. Seem like I am being pushed to censor myself alot today.]


27 May, 2009, 8:06pm, 369 wrote:
Why do you think they are ment to be then?
I would tell her what/why everything is happening and then she should decide if she wants to stay with him.


I think you missed the whole point. It not about the people, but the abnormal non-physical environment they are exposed to. Do you think people in a high paranormal activity environment are going to deal well with it?

Unlikely.

Paranormal (read: spiritual) entities have a mind of their own. They can and will do whatever they please when in an environment. It is like a "haunting" but more severe.

Average people seem to think their minds are like a sealed bottle, that nothing can get in or out unless they express themselves using their physical bodies and face (or by actions).

The reality is that they are giving off tons of information about themselves. If you imagine the influence being like a weak mist surrounding the body. This mist changes its properties every time you experience something.

Like an invisible marquee sign it is chock full of information about you. A spirit does nothing more than get close to you and intersects that field and their own thoughts and feelings somehow transcribe or are imprinted onto that invisible mist.

The entities thoughts or emotions become part of the (proverbial) marquee sign invisibly floating around the periphery of the body.

That invisible fabric of consciousness gets imprinted by the entity. The influence around a person changes ever so slightly. And those changes are bi-directional.

Meaning what is "there" is what is on the persons consciousness. If an entity walks up and changes it, so too does the consciousness of the person change and what was imprinted

It is some of the basics behind telepathy and information exchange. Also called "intersects" by me.

Two fronts merge slightly and the two exchange influence between one another.

[Again, I was told not to write several things and I won't be]


27 May, 2009, 8:06pm, 369 wrote:
But I see you are just making a point.
But if all the men/women in the world just gave up on expanding humanities endeavors aka degens then you would see chains on everyone's leg.
I am not proposing that you stop. But you need to be realistic about what you are getting yourself into.

Most won't ever get to a very high level to be at a point that I was describing.

Some few probably will get to that level and those are the ones who should worry the most.

>> Unlike the ET's << our mental capacity is considerably diminished and our operating envelope of conciousness is significantly different.

Our biological bodies have preset limits in line with our consciousness. Some will get more mileage out of their bodies than others. The majority in my estimation (much greater than 50%) will probably suffer severe issues if they attempt to go beyond a certain threshold.

The problem is that most psychics never go beyond a very low level. I call this level the "crippled non-functional psychic".

That kind of ability is nothing significant. What I am talking about are levels far higher in functionality like that approaching the ET themselves.

Functional abilities that need to be reigned in.

!) Because we do not have the same mental capacity.

2) Because our culture is fairly primitive and still not adapted to the reality of psychic abilities being present in large numbers.

3) Because our biology seems to suffer from sustained forms of higher abilities. That includes our minds. Most people who are psychic are a bit....nutty. Lets put it that way.



27 May, 2009, 8:06pm, 369 wrote:
You ever try love?
I mean it's the only thing that I see different between the people with problems with those entities and the people without problems.
I'm sure there are other ways, but love is pretty simple.
Who hasn't tried love?

I will look into that as a possible factor though.


27 May, 2009, 8:06pm, 369 wrote:

27 May, 2009, 12:57am, fore wrote:

There is only my ET group. And dealing with them is a game in and of itself. They are the only ones with the technology and the knowledge to answer my questions and "correct/tweak" things when something is not working right.

Then you have to change the way it is most efficient to handle you in a way that you like. Don't forget your human and you can be ignorant when ever you want. They can't. That is a great advantage esp. over greys.
I know what you mean, but they beat you to that punch line.

Long before anyone my age was considering the ramifications of their actions, the advisor was there making sure I was painfully aware and grooming me under that strategy.

Where others might use enlightenment as a liberator. She used it as shackles. (maybe I am being a little dramatic....)

So I have never had a real chance at ignorance. They always chime in and remind me about something so there is no escape into this art-form of ignorance.

It is one of my many grievances. When you can hold someone morally and ethically hostage with the truth, you know you are in big trouble.

I can elucidate, but I doubt you want to see some of the techniques.

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By the way, about the grass comment. I know it is not my imagination at this point in my life. But until recently (which is the only time I have ever been this inactive) the grass in all my homes have been exuberantly healthy.

4 to 5ft in 2 weeks. It would grow up to your arms in just that amount of time.

I once lived in a duplex not too long ago. And the grass was literally greener on our side than the neighbors. (and it was "bad grass")

Just thought I should make note of that since you brought it up and I remembered someone remarking about it in the past.

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Also people whom we have had come over tend to fall asleep on the couch while sitting there. Not all, but many visitors have commented about the "immense peace" that permeates my house.

Sometimes they used to come over frequently just for a cup of coffee. (or so they say!) :o

While in the far flung past of my youth it was the exact opposite. It was a bad feeling in the past. And people did not want to be anywhere near us or our house. (in that house I lived for 10 years.)

In the other house it was just for about a year.

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Hope that answers all your questions.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by arkwright on 27 May, 2009, 9:52pm

Hi Fore! Regarding furniture, decoration, houses, community planning, architecture - how would your Feng Shui go? How would you arrange an environment in a healthy way - what kind of materials and formations cause negative influence gather and what kind of arrangements encourage positive/normal behaviour of influence? I remember you mentioned that you used to move furniture around often.. *wonders where that post was*

If I remember right you mentioned that modern cities are not well designed when taking influence in account - can you point design that are/were?

Edit: I ask this as I've been interested in architectural theory/ruleset called "Pattern Language" by Christopher Alexander. Its a collection of guidelines for planning everything architectural - from city layout to furnishing a room. Adding the spiritual viewpoint to it is an intriquing issue. I would like compare if the practices in Pattern Language that are meant to produce pleaseant environments reflect the behaviour of influence. For example - room height. (which by the pattern language is good when it varies in different rooms of the house - how would that effect influence?).

Garuda mentioned in some post that classical music, certain incences, prisms reflecting light in rainbow patterns etc. make spaces uncomfortable for negative entities? What's your take on how to make spaces uncomfortable for such beings and increase "healhty" behaviour of influence?




Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 27 May, 2009, 11:56pm


27 May, 2009, 9:31pm, fore wrote:

Who do you think should "expand" our consciousness? ???

Us. No matter what the ETs can't do stuff for us.


27 May, 2009, 9:31pm, fore wrote:

I wasn't aware anyone had put ET to that official task other than the ET making it up themselves. (in their rubbish)

I have been traveling around the net to other forums to study one group in particular. So far I have found no actual principles being shared to "expand awareness". Just alot of lying on the part of the ET's and mass attempts (imo) at brainwashing. Most of the folk following those ET's haven't even the knowledge of the basics.


Obviously they gain from us. Either that being joy from helping or to enslave us w/e the reason they are gaining. There is no way it can be selfless because there is no such thing.


27 May, 2009, 9:31pm, fore wrote:

Their thoughts on "ascension" are pretty varied and deeply unrealistic about what they think ascension actually is.

Sometimes my contacts do very mean things to me. But I look deep into my mind and find myself asking them for it because my human side will react more efficiently towards it.

It isn't applied that this is the reason why they are getting these unrealistic ideals of ascension, but I just want to throw it out there.

That bad isnt always wrong.
(I know you know this but even though we might know what we are gonna say to each other before we say it. It still helps others. )





27 May, 2009, 9:31pm, fore wrote:

What level of abilities do you possess and can you exercise any of them to a significant level?

I think i'll answer this in pm.


27 May, 2009, 9:31pm, fore wrote:

Actually, anything within a dense influence field is affected in abnormal ways. People, animals, a home etc.

Things don't operate as they should.

[Someone (again) told me to stop there. Seem like I am being pushed to censor myself alot today.]


Well is there a limit to how much influence can be in one space?
Why dont you make your field smaller, but more dense. Like 4 feet instead of your usual 25. (just a guess)


27 May, 2009, 9:31pm, fore wrote:

I think you missed the whole point. It not about the people, but the abnormal non-physical environment they are exposed to. Do you think people in a high paranormal activity environment are going to deal well with it?

Unlikely.


Well you can always live in a mobile home. =)


27 May, 2009, 9:31pm, fore wrote:

I am not proposing that you stop. But you need to be realistic about what you are getting yourself into.

I bet most of the people here would follow you off a cliff to there death.

Heck I bet at some point I would have too and you got to understand that I had to get you to say that.






27 May, 2009, 9:31pm, fore wrote:

3) Because our biology seems to suffer from sustained forms of higher abilities. That includes our minds. Most people who are psychic are a bit....nutty. Lets put it that way.

I have realized this and this is the exact reason I have been so shy with you.





27 May, 2009, 9:31pm, fore wrote:


27 May, 2009, 8:06pm, 369 wrote:

Then you have to change the way it is most efficient to handle you in a way that you like. Don't forget your human and you can be ignorant when ever you want. They can't. That is a great advantage esp. over greys.
I know what you mean, but they beat you to that punch line.

Long before anyone my age was considering the ramifications of their actions, the advisor was there making sure I was painfully aware and grooming me under that strategy.

Where others might use enlightenment as a liberator. She used it as shackles. (maybe I am being a little dramatic....)

So I have never had a real chance at ignorance. They always chime in and remind me about something so there is no escape into this art-form of ignorance.

It is one of my many grievances. When you can hold someone morally and ethically hostage with the truth, you know you are in big trouble.

I can elucidate, but I doubt you want to see some of the techniques.

I know and I found it sad how she filled you up with so much info, but that was about 2 days ago when I was thinking about that. Now I feel it is to help people, but most of that knowledge wont bring you wisdom.
I just wanted everyone to know there power and to bring this out in the open.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 May, 2009, 12:59am


27 May, 2009, 11:56pm, 369 wrote:
Obviously they gain from us. Either that being joy from helping or to enslave us w/e the reason they are gaining. There is no way it can be selfless because there is no such thing.
I dunno, your guess is as good as mine.



27 May, 2009, 11:56pm, 369 wrote:
Sometimes my contacts do very mean things to me. But I look deep into my mind and find myself asking them for it because my human side will react more efficiently towards it.
A bit saddistic arent you? ;D?


27 May, 2009, 11:56pm, 369 wrote:
It isn't applied that this is the reason why they are getting these unrealistic ideals of ascension, but I just want to throw it out there.
What do you mean?


27 May, 2009, 11:56pm, 369 wrote:
That bad isnt always wrong.
(I know you know this but even though we might know what we are gonna say to each other before we say it. It still helps others. )


Dunno where you came up with that one.


27 May, 2009, 11:56pm, 369 wrote:
Well is there a limit to how much influence can be in one space?
I honestly do not know. I never really bothered to ask.

All I do know is that the denser the fields the easier it is to affect the physical properties reality. Or I should say....physical reality reacts in different ways to abnormally compressed forms of "influence".


27 May, 2009, 11:56pm, 369 wrote:
Why dont you make your field smaller, but more dense. Like 4 feet instead of your usual 25. (just a guess)
The thought never occurred to me.

I wasn't taught how to control the external fields. Most of the training dealt with the ones inside the body and manifesting a limited range of effects just beyond the body.

There were no real significant teachings about how to use fields outside the body. I postulate they wanted to limit (realistically) how much psi development I had.

Not too long ago, I put a theory into action based on what I thought the ETs' might use to produce telepathy. I had always assumed that telepathy was an effect created within the interior of the body.

So I assumed differently, and assumed the fields were produced just beyond the bodies surface. There were some definitive hits as family members thought I was calling to them in an audible voice. (I had expected a mental phenomena instead?<Shrug>)

So I think I know how to reproduce telepathy on anyone. But I have been so side tracked that I haven't gotten to test things further.

I described (somewhere) in this thread how it might be done. After a few successful hits it became obvious that external field manipulation makes psi abilities extremely efficient.

But to be honest I haven't put much time towards furthering my investigation.

It would be an easy way to prove to people my case if they suddely hear a man's voice on their head. But I am still far from being able to reproduce it at a close range, let alone a far range.

It makes me wonder what the any interested parties watching OMF would do if someone were to begin coaching other on how to do that. Forget UFO's. It would be entertaining and funny as an on camera supernatural psi-effect.

Any common interviewer would dump their pants if you could back a claim like that with supernatural communication. Though, I am pretty sure I would disappear if I tried some big stunt like that.

If there is one thing I know about my ET group, they don't like undeniable evidence. I would probably get a personal visit even before I enacted it.

If I could figure out one fundamental aspect of the technique and make it easily replicate-able. Then I would hold one heck of a pony show. The most skeptical of the skeptical would be invited. Maybe even Ryan Dube and the RU team. LOL.

Maybe I would drive one of them psychotic and grind down their sanity. Something like:

"....we are from vega, we are your overlords <RU member>! Send your cash to OMF immediately....they are wise!"

;D :D

[I am very kidding, but that would be hilarious as a psychic prank. They would probably check in to a mental health clinic for months on end. Hmm, what about making them believe in Scientology? << strokes chin in wonderment... :o ;D]


See thats what I mean by "temptation"!

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Anyway, the hardest part is entering into the right psychic "mode". It seems that the range of psychic mode for that [audible telepathic] ability is pretty *specific*. It is like trying to hit a specific tone on a piano. It is a mode I am not used to and therefore I don't know how to attain that mode easily. I have to memorize it first.

Though I noticed that my psychic fields propagated the psychic effect for telepathy around the periphery of my head. I also felt "strange" every time it did work. As if I were getting strange feedback from the psychic effect that I couldn't correlate very well.

Not sure I know how to describe it.


27 May, 2009, 11:56pm, 369 wrote:
I bet most of the people here would follow you off a cliff to there death.

Heck I bet at some point I would have too and you got to understand that I had to get you to say that.


I don't care to have lemmings. Nor do I care to have lemmings nor myself (as a lemming) jumping off a cliff.



Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 28 May, 2009, 2:30am


28 May, 2009, 12:59am, fore wrote:



A bit saddistic arent you? ;D?

ya I was wondering what it was called.


28 May, 2009, 12:59am, fore wrote:

What do you mean?

I mean maybe they want to be lied to deep down inside.


28 May, 2009, 12:59am, fore wrote:

Dunno where you came up with that one.

Which part?


28 May, 2009, 12:59am, fore wrote:

I honestly do not know. I never really bothered to ask.

All I do know is that the denser the fields the easier it is to affect the physical properties reality. Or I should say....physical reality reacts in different ways to abnormally compressed forms of "influence".

Ask now.



28 May, 2009, 12:59am, fore wrote:

See thats what I mean by "temptation"!

I understand temptation and I truly think it's our society's fault.


28 May, 2009, 12:59am, fore wrote:


27 May, 2009, 11:56pm, 369 wrote:
I bet most of the people here would follow you off a cliff to there death.

Heck I bet at some point I would have too and you got to understand that I had to get you to say that.


I don't care to have lemmings. Nor do I care to have lemmings nor myself (as a lemming) jumping off a cliff.


I don't either.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 28 May, 2009, 2:33am


26 May, 2009, 10:21pm, fore wrote:

26 May, 2009, 8:42pm, 369 wrote:
You people want to turn off your powers?
Well while your at it why don't you guys just stab your eyes?

And fore you need to get everything that is stopping you out your way.Even yourself. I can understand why you would turn off your powers. To see if the grass is greener, but now that you see how blind people truly are...why are you ****ing still wearing a blindfold?

You want to live some "normal" life. What a joke. Get over yourself and be all that you can be.

And I doubt me posting this will effect you all that greatly.

but I've talked to your contacts and they told me that this post won't help you and when you ask if this is true they will just call me crazy.

they told me that if I post this I will just lose my respect around the community when you post that they have never talked to me. and i will lose my opportunity fully to help you and that the window of opportunity is not now.

but im gonna post it anyways
I have started to notice that people think psychic abilities or "ascension" [in new age speak] are going to grant them some marvelous life.

Some of that comes from channelers and some of it comes from ET apparently. Some of it even seems to come from old age beliefs.

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So I am going to ask:

@ Everyone

What do you believe you would gain if you were in my position?

What do you think would manifest?

What are your expectations?

I want to see what your ideas are vs the reality of it. This is gonna be really insightful for me.


The one thing that I can say about this is that no I would not want to trade positions with you Fore.

For me the effects are subtle... in the sense of circumstantially coincidental, I do get to retain a certain deniability.

What I have found is that there has consistently been a cost associated with certain event manifestations, interestingly though it also remains indirect... i.e. friends and family vs. directly affecting me.

Ethics and morality do come into play, I try to keep a defensive and help others stance as best as I can, and yes temptation is extremely high. Most of this temptation is like a shell game to try and prove it to myself that certain things do work. Luckily for me conscious efforts in testing certain theories have failed. Where as simply doing something because I felt like it was the right thing to do at the time has had both tragic and spectacular results, but always with a cost, not necessarily immediate either.

To actually know beyond a doubt how to manipulate psychic energy to change my own life or bend events to my own benefit, to have an understanding of the details involved, well the burden behind it and the responsibility that would accompany this knowledge would probably drive me insane. Not that I am not already borderline nutty as is but it would definitely push me over the edge. having the ability to escape it by saying it was circumstantial or simply coincidence is all I need to keep that illusive cover of innocence intact. Responsible usage of psychic abilities would be a whole new world, one I am quite certain I am not ready for ;)

What I would gain in having your level of knowledge Fore would be to understand how it works and why it works the way it does in a conscious manner, however this would also entail a loss of use in innocence and/or ignorance. For me it simply works and it remains consistent as long as I minimize the (mechanical) conscious intent of the results. I can have fun with it, because it still holds a certain unknown quality. Removing this would take the fun out of it. I know eventually we will need to grow up but for now i think it it is still too early ;)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by colquitt on 28 May, 2009, 4:47am

I'm gonna get back to reading the exceptional conversation, but I thought I'd jot down my thoughts on "Ascension" or whatever. I mean, you DID ask.

I don't believe in some spiritual destiny where we ascend to the heavens and have great orgies of soulbased newness. I don't think existence is some stupid test and ascension is some prize at the end for living "good" lives.

To me, it just represents the next apex of our evolution. Eventually we as a species are going to take a next step, and that step will throw conceptions of existence out the window. To me, I view the world as some big puzzle that just needs that missing piece to make the image whole. We are severely disconnected as a species, much like an image missing from a mosaic. Something should be there. Something should make the image make sense. Maybe some sudden evolutionary leap might do that.

What kind of evolutionary leap? That's anyone's guess. I think Timothy Leary wasn't too far off in his ideas of consciousness being the next frontier. We as a species are pretty quickly overcoming the limitations of genetics. I don't think this is a step in the right direction, and it actually changes us to some weird post-human era, and that worries me. But maybe it's a step. After we conquer the physical realm, there's really only one other direction to go. Somewhere else.

How would it even happen? I do think that contact with another species would help jumpstart the process. Through stories of abductees, there is the definite sense of acceleration of consciousness just by their being there. I think your story CLEARLY illustrates that. In fact, if I can be bluntly honest, I think it's highly possible that you might be the beginning of said jump in consciousness... but I think you're being blocked just like the rest of us. Whether that be aliens domineering your every conscious thought, or just good ole plain and simple insecurities, fears, or self-doubt.

Also, I don't trust the greys. I don't think anyone should have any real reason to. I have no definite memories of abduction, but I do know that I cried hysterically the first time I saw their image. Parents were spooked by my reaction. So I assume I have been, but if they try so hard to be remembered, there's probably plenty of good reason for that, and I doubt any of it's good. I'm a pretty good judge of character, and they inspire sheer anger in my heart of hearts.

If it's them that are over your head, controlling your life, you shouldn't listen. You should disobey. You should try to stop them.

I know you don't trust your Advisor either, but from what I've read of your experiences, it doesn't sound like she was doing incredibly bad things. It just sounds like you got a real education by an honest to god Teacher. The rest of us were stuck with BS invented histories that only contribute to a system of mental slavery and consumerism. I can't speak for everyone, but Alabama public schools are basically just glorified penitentiaries for youth. I'm sure there are actual prisons with better education systems.

Maybe it wasn't fair that you were forced into it. What's done is done, though.

Maybe I had to be there.

Anyway, I have definitely ran my mouth enough for one evening. Back to reading!



Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by colquitt on 28 May, 2009, 5:01am

Oh damn it. Here I go again.

I mentioned the wife keeping, and since that has become a point of contention, I guess I should elaborate. The whole reason I even brought my wife up was because she's awesome and I'd like to keep her. No matter what. Geez.

I have a wonderful wife that I love deeply. It's her choice to leave if things get crazy, and dude, that's just the way it goes. Whether it be spiritual aggressors or angry aliens, it doesn't matter. We're in this together, we share our lives already. Were I suddenly to develop abilites she didn't understand, that's a bridge we have yet to cross... in fact, it's a bridge close to NO ONE has crossed. And as such makes it kind of a bad argument, which appears to be based out of your own personal fears for your own family, which is completely understandable, but certainly not the case for every living soul. Then again, not everyone has the kind of relationship that my wife and I share.

I guess you could compare it to any sort of success. Say I were to one day get conned into being famous. That would invite a lot of "entities" in that could possibly destroy any semblance of a normal life, especially in regards to my relationship with my wife. As I'm a musician, it would most likely mean that if I'm famous, it's because people like what I do and that would entail groupies and all sorts of bad elements that would be dangerous. There are always parasites. No doubt about that. But at the same time, it's about self-control. I can only let them hurt me by my accord. I'm in charge of my destiny, not them.

I guess that's a bit of a weird parallel, but it makes sense to me.

The point is our entire lives are in our own hands- and I think your stories are proof of that. I just don't see how you don't see it.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 28 May, 2009, 6:50am


26 May, 2009, 10:21pm, fore wrote:

26 May, 2009, 8:42pm, 369 wrote:
You people want to turn off your powers?
Well while your at it why don't you guys just stab your eyes?

And fore you need to get everything that is stopping you out your way.Even yourself. I can understand why you would turn off your powers. To see if the grass is greener, but now that you see how blind people truly are...why are you ****ing still wearing a blindfold?

You want to live some "normal" life. What a joke. Get over yourself and be all that you can be.

And I doubt me posting this will effect you all that greatly.

but I've talked to your contacts and they told me that this post won't help you and when you ask if this is true they will just call me crazy.

they told me that if I post this I will just lose my respect around the community when you post that they have never talked to me. and i will lose my opportunity fully to help you and that the window of opportunity is not now.

but im gonna post it anyways
I have started to notice that people think psychic abilities or "ascension" [in new age speak] are going to grant them some marvelous life.

Some of that comes from channelers and some of it comes from ET apparently. Some of it even seems to come from old age beliefs.

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So I am going to ask:

@ Everyone

What do you believe you would gain if you were in my position?

What do you think would manifest?

What are your expectations?

I want to see what your ideas are vs the reality of it. This is gonna be really insightful for me.


From my perspective it is not so much what could be gained, its what could be done; I consider the final outcome more important than the moment I exist in as it were.

Firstly, temptation is indeed rampant and requires careful checks and balances of ones own actions; I have experienced some pretty interesting extremes from people over the years, but have yet to throw a punch [ I have received some and worse while helping other people right an injustice ].

Secondly, society is gripped by fear of everything. I am more interested in taking like-minded individuals who have had enough of the current system and assembling a society separately in a remote area of the planet, preferably underground in very solid bed-rock.

Thirdly, the usage of such powers would be for the betterment of that society for as long as possible before my expiry. I am not interested in war, and I am not interested in some of the societal nonsense that has kept people huddled in fear of their own neighbours.

So, the betterment of humanity through the usage of such powers to amass enough financial resources to buy the necessary land-mass. Once the society is in place the need for such material wealth is no-longer needed [ I believe in personal possessions and fair trade though ], and the real job of expansion and creation can begin.

I am also factoring in a major cataclysm into this that causes major surface problems [ one is bound to happen some time ].

As for me, I'll be very busy coordinating things from a distance if possible, and dealing with the problems away from everyone. The reality will be harsh, unforgiving, and soul destroying at times, but must be done in my opinion. I am not seeking to be some paranormal hero bending everyone's thoughts to my own, merely a leader of men in the face of adversity.

Personal wealth is frankly boring if you cannot help people, or improve their lives. I have no interest in controlling people against their will, as it's pointless to be surrounded by people who agree with everything. I prefer the colour of life and the diversity that can be achieved in it, and if I have to make personal sacrifices to better the majority, then so be it.

I have found nothing ever gets when one lives in fear of doing it.

Now that is essentially what I'd like to do if I had a specific set of powers:
Telekinesis; rig the lottery in several countries to acquire the starting funds.
Telepathy; Useful for communications, and occasionally making the odd prompt.
Illusion; Needed to provide some absurd warning of dire doom... [ well, you have to start somewhere ]

All quite abusable? Yes, and would I abuse them? probably at some point, but not with ill intent.

If any of that ever really happened I expect I'd get a visit and be terminated. So its the mere fantastical musings of my over-active imagination.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 28 May, 2009, 7:39am

colquitt I had a dream not too long ago... in it I was being followed by an woman, probably in her 50s (alien/alien-hybrid? / controller). Realizing what was going on I doubled back on her and kind of cornered her in front of a store entrance (alcove). I proceeded to ask her why she was following me... the next part really bother me because her message to me was that i needed to break away from my family. This was something I am not ready to do however the way it was said was sort of along the lines of a do or die type situation. Like they would not be able to help me unless I could be alone. My reaction was along the lines of but they need to come with me. I suppose my decision was to die before abandoning my family. I do look back on this and wonder how many got this message along the same lines.

BTW this was interlaced inside a period of another set of vivid dreams in which I was a witness to an assaination... the same lady asked me to actually set the assassination up... which was refused as "I am no longer doing this type of stuff... though I did provide tips on how the situation could be manipulated. (God knows why, because I do not.)" Later I was present after the assassination which occurred in front of the Lincoln Memorial and I was talking with some of the people involved telling them there was no way they could get away with it... I just wanted out of the whole situation... we were all being questioned by (secret service type / FBI/ MIB?) agents, and I was desperately trying to keep my mind off this subject but having a real hard time with clearing my mind as to who was involved.

The last sort of explains why they wanted to isolate me... though under cover of an evacuation type scenario. Probably figuring it was easier to manipulate someone who no longer had family to hold them to morals and ethics.

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Pontificator... though I throw this next one to circumstantial coincidence... back in late august early September I did a psychic clearing of paths sort of thing... highly violent mentally... the results of this manifested themselves in a very interesting manner. The intent was to simply clear out all the blocking energy that was holding me back. There was nothing specific nor was there a specific method used it just sort of happened on its own... I closed my eyes while sitting in the lazy-boy and started literally tearing thru the blocks. Results were interesting to say the least... I went from an 800 sq ft house to a 3300 sq ft house inside of a month, now this was not even planned nor was I even looking to be moving anytime soon. It just aligned itself in a strange sort of way all the pieces just fell into place on their own. Like I said there is always a cost though... I told my wife when we first moved in that something was going to happen because of this move.. she was not listening to me and was on cloud nine the whole time. Anyway the cost came about four months later when my son suddenly separated from his wife and they were not even married for a year yet. Go figure... like I said also I still have that deniability factor with an ability to simply look back and say it cannot be really proven either way that the effect had anything to do with me using psychic abilities. I still get to say maybe I do maybe i do not have psychic abilities there is no certainty and the whole timeline could very well be simple circumstantial coincidence.

This is why I say no I do not want to know with any certainty, which is what Fore gets to live with... he does not get to say "ah maybe it is just coincidence" and chock it up to an overactive imagination.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 May, 2009, 8:46am


28 May, 2009, 5:01am, colquitt wrote:
Oh d**n it. Here I go again.

I mentioned the wife keeping, and since that has become a point of contention, I guess I should elaborate. The whole reason I even brought my wife up was because she's awesome and I'd like to keep her. No matter what. Geez.

I have a wonderful wife that I love deeply. It's her choice to leave if things get crazy, and dude, that's just the way it goes. Whether it be spiritual aggressors or angry aliens, it doesn't matter.


If you turn on your abilities to a high enough degree, the ET's who may eventually notice and come to take a look do not necessarily have to be "angry" in any sense of the word.

Their interest may be varied and intrusive. Even if benevolent, I think you can imagine alot of things in your life will change.


28 May, 2009, 5:01am, colquitt wrote:
We're in this together, we share our lives already. Were I suddenly to develop abilites she didn't understand, that's a bridge we have yet to cross... in fact, it's a bridge close to NO ONE has crossed.
Probably true. Assuming hybrids don't live on this earth in secret.



28 May, 2009, 5:01am, colquitt wrote:
And as such makes it kind of a bad argument, which appears to be based out of your own personal fears for your own family, which is completely understandable, but certainly not the case for every living soul. Then again, not everyone has the kind of relationship that my wife and I share.
True, it may simply be my irrational fear. It may also be tons of incidents I haven't bothered to mention yet. (which is the case)


28 May, 2009, 5:01am, colquitt wrote:
I guess you could compare it to any sort of success. Say I were to one day get conned into being famous. That would invite a lot of "entities" in that could possibly destroy any semblance of a normal life, especially in regards to my relationship with my wife. As I'm a musician, it would most likely mean that if I'm famous, it's because people like what I do and that would entail groupies and all sorts of bad elements that would be dangerous. There are always parasites. No doubt about that. But at the same time, it's about self-control. I can only let them hurt me by my accord. I'm in charge of my destiny, not them.
Well, I am sure you know being famous is not really a factor in (directly) attracting paranormal entities.

Real people, and paranormal entities (read spiritual) are not the same and cannot be grouped in the same type of interactions and lifestyle changes.


28 May, 2009, 5:01am, colquitt wrote:
I guess that's a bit of a weird parallel, but it makes sense to me.
Kind of a bad comparison but I understood the point you were trying to make.


28 May, 2009, 5:01am, colquitt wrote:
The point is our entire lives are in our own hands- and I think your stories are proof of that. I just don't see how you don't see it.
When you have abilities like mine, you will notice things in the unseen spectrum as the years pass on that will rival any form of fiction you have ever read.

You'll possibly notice that many old stories found in religions are actually true. You'll notice the many kind of entities moving about and performing activities in the world without much of any human notice.

These words may strike some as coming from some delusional mind or some kind of psychosis. But that is the furthest thing from the truth.

One thing I noticed was the accounts from the olden times aren't exactly so imaginary or unreal. Readers might think that I read about it and then witnessed these things. But the opposite is true. I witnessed most of it before I knew what I was looking at.

There are animate poltergeist and dead things that roam about and they are unseen to the naked eye. When they notice that you can notice them. They will take up their time and stay nearby.

At first, you can hardly believe the info your psi abilities are detecting these things. You scoff at the reality of it all. You wonder if there is something wrong with your perceptions.

Then you begin to develop to the point where you can direct your focus and observe closely the activity that is invisible to average people.

The reader might think, "Fore, it's your bloody imagination!".

But when other psychics notice the same things and the same phenomena in acutely the same way independently. You know it's not your imagination.

I have seen Phantoms traveling from house to house in a neighborhood. I was deeply encouraged by the advisor to be extremely objective and analytical. (skeptics rejoice LOL)

I have watched as people in that home (neighbors) start arguing to out loud to a fever pitch. And then the entity leaves. Sometimes they crawl up near the roof-line and lounge for a bit. In the psychic spectrum my second sight sees nothing but a dark black shape moving anywhere from walking speed to speeds approaching 30mph.

What convinced me the most is not the advisor educating me about paranormal phenomena. It was seeing the phenomena *doubtlessly* correlating with physical world events.

Seeing people beyond my household affected in *consistent* and amazingly coordinated ways. I could read the spiritual entities minds so I usually knew what they were up to. It was really amazing to have prior warning about what they were up to. Whether it was in the neighborhood or farther away.

Then it was seeing the interplay in the wide paranormal affairs that the world has no the slightest clue exists if they didn't read it from old texts and stories of the paranormal. Apparently some of them were not so crazy after all.

There is some truth to it. Amazingly.

I could go on and on, but I will spare you the recounting. (for now ;D)

There is alot that people do not understand.

There is alot of unseen events that seem to be "uncorrelated" but in actuality are fairly correlated and has structure and a specific dynamic.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by avortex on 28 May, 2009, 5:46pm


28 May, 2009, 8:46am, fore wrote:
What convinced me the most is not the advisor educating me about paranormal phenomena. It was seeing the phenomena *doubtlessly* correlating with physical world events.

Then it was seeing the interplay in the wide paranormal affairs that the world has no the slightest clue exists if they didn't read it from old texts and stories of the paranormal.

There is alot that people do not understand.


I find this extremely revealing and interesting.

Here we have you, Fore, making comments about 'psychic'-spiritual phenomenology that 'other [ordinary] people' cannot perceive, and also claiming at the same time that you are not 'crazy' (as is often assumed about such gifted people).

Also, you indicate that you have some assist in understanding some of this by an 'advisor' (someone with more experience).

Now, let me extend this, if you don't mind.

Not only are 'your kind' common enough today, but most are, indeed, looked upon as crazy.

Then, let's make the extension that is not given nor suggested by such statements as you have hinted at, all unknowlingly.

Those who have made connect with the Archetypes of The WORD Itself, and who, through direct transmission, over years (e.g.,myself, 40 intense) have achieved resonance with It's Laws & Cause(s). How does one expect people to understand that the Pure Source of the Universal Mind (Soul) is unrelated to low mind's 'perception and understanding?'

You think, perhaps, you are standing outside ordinary consciousness awareness (here-now), but there is the State of Certain Knowledge of Absolute Truth (method taught by a giant Elder consciousness met while hiking below the Garden fo the Gods), that is Extant (accumulation of the Golden Bricks of Wisdom), that leaves one Alone in the Capstone of Awareness. This is non-transmittable, because it is beyond syntax, beyond 'common' ability to accrue (without specialized knowledge!).

So, as you have made the perceivably real statement, "There is alot that people do not understand," there is Also a lot that the Gifted Ones Do Not comprehend, simply because of lack of familiarity with the Truth Principia of The WORD.

In the Capstone, this knowledge is One, and shared Potential.
"'God' geometrizes" is a common expression. It is also absolute Truth (understanding that even absolutes don't exist, except one, The Word). Mankind represents Form in 'flesh' [matter]; the Formless resonates and effortlessly 'assumes' geometric variant shape-oneness with the Sacred Geometry of The WORD [pure substance-force,x2-energy]. At the Center of consciousness, man exists as 'Self-Awareness,' whereas at the Top [Capstone] of Awareness, man evolves beyond humaness into the State of Awareness of ONE Self (the many in one, not the one in many).

So, thanks for the opportunity to bring this attention to the many out there, who wish to understand that which cannot be comprehended with 'mere thought' [low mind, as opposed to Universal Mind]...it must be Intended, and one is enabled through such to receive the Gift of Being Lifted via the Ancients [who await]. I add the correction, equally true, equally difficult:

"There is alot that people & gifted people do not understand."

"Seek ye First the Kingdom of Heaven [Principle of the Word],
and All Else will be Added unto You
[Understanding/Knowing of Universal Mind/Law]."



One may Soar through dimensional Power & Truth, Love & Wisdom, yet The Word is always there as Origin & Anchor, if one Knows it.

This is what prevents, and only what prevents, the shriveling of Soul [Mind] from too little Light at one end, and the burning of Soul [Mind] from too much Light, at the other end.

Such cannot be given away, and takes years to accrue, even if successfully conveyed as real & necessary. As many have shown us in LIfe, and throughout the forums.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 29 May, 2009, 6:43am


Quote:

What do you believe you would gain if you were in my position?


Nothing I'd want, personally. You sound like you have a pretty tight leesh on you. I'm sure you've asked yourself many a time, "Why me?" Well, what did you come up with?


Quote:

What do you think would manifest?


Again, nothing I'd want personally. I already have my own things to deal with regarding entities, I don't need any more shi*.

My own philosophy says that to "evolve" consciously does not require the use of psychic abilities. Those may come, but when they do for me, it's usually in spurts. Once I was able to pick up on thoughts occasionally and what not, but somehow I'm able to leave it at only "sometimes"--probably due to lack of ability, which again, I don't truly care for. I'm much happier connecting.

A lot of people seem to equate "evolution" with "amount of psychic ability one posses", but I find this isn't the case at all. In some sense it is, but really to me that's just another "thing" out there. We already have five senses to deal with and to get lost in, another one is just going to confuse us further. IMO.



Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 30 May, 2009, 4:24am

Fore If I remember correctly you said that when you touched people you would activate there abilities.

How many people have you done this too?

Wouldn't that mean that aliens pick humans to touch to activate there abilities. To later use them for whatever purposes.

Because I just kinda figured most of what I know without any human help or anything/one telling me conciously. Obviously acouple people helped, but I never really understand people's explanations for the use of abilities.

It's almost like something turns off my ability to understand anything.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 30 May, 2009, 6:45am


30 May, 2009, 4:24am, 369 wrote:
Fore If I remember correctly you said that when you touched people you would activate there abilities.
Yes.

You don't even need to touch them, as long as you can target them and consciously modify their patterns, it is enough.

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To clarify, people assume that psychic abilities work by touch, when in reality that is just one style. It can be done without touch at various distances. I am pretty good with the touch style, okay with the close proximity style and hit or miss at long distances.

(Depends on several factors actually)

If I talk to someone online who is partially psychic, as we converse our "influence emanations" begin to link up to one another (remotely). I can begin to sense their thoughts and emotions in real time. This process is what I call a "line of association". Actually it was made up by the advisor between us both many years ago.

Once we [the other person and I] stop paying attention to one another, the link is still active. Almost all the people (human) I have dealt with are untrained psychics. So I can read them, but they cannot actively (consciously) target me.

Our two influence fields do tend to share information actively ["intersect"] ; but for them it is on an unconscious level. For me it is a conscious decision to pay attention to their thoughts or not. I can direct my focus, while most of the people who I have dealt with (with few exceptions) can't actually direct their focus.

They may feel that connection of someone else intersecting with their own influence field. A presence, or a feeling of being read, or physical symptoms of being pushed into a higher psychic state and the associated physical symptoms arising from that condition.

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In truth, it is like a one sided miniature psychic network. I can pick up the general gist of the ideas traversing thier mind and feel distant emotions that are associated with their psychic patterns on my end.

It is like a very low form of telepathy.

The reality is, that between us, we are doing the same things that my group does exclusively with me. The advisor embedded in me a chunk of her influence that resided in me. As she got further away she could use it to communicate with me over (I am pretty sure) very large distances. Probably more than 8 thousand miles (the width of the earth)/

They monitor my thoughts probably in the same way as described above. They aren't *always* paying attention but they are *at least some of the time*.

There appears to be a small and variable delay between thinking something and them reacting to it. It could be a mere moment, or a few days.

They also apparently have some method of monitoring my health. As I have begun to notice that I am checked up on, scanned psychically. In or around times that I have physical problems.

I do not know if they do that psychically or technologically.

In either case, they keep close tabs.



30 May, 2009, 4:24am, 369 wrote:
How many people have you done this too?
If you are asking about in close proximity and in physical contact them maybe about ~8 or so~, 2 were unsuccessful.


If you are talking about long distance then there is something to explain before you "get it".

When two psychics communicate and speak to one another through a physical medium (telephone, email, forums, chat etc).

If one is talented, they may unconsciously/consciously connect with each others psychic emanations and begin to form a strong bond. Lines of association. <<

As they talk more and more the bonds become more significant on a psychic level and the two can gradually read each other mind even if they aren't physically engaging each other in a conversation.

Like a psychic network.

So when you see me ask to talk to them, what they say is unimportant. Whats important is the bond that forms. It makes it easier to read their mind and communicate and pass along information on a psychic level.

This doesn't need to be thought. I used to be at a higher enough level that I could focus in on someone by merely thinking about it. But since I am now at a very low level, I have to work significantly at it.

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So when you ask me, how many?

It is difficult to count how many at that longest distance range. Alot of people end up using their psi abilities unconsciously. There is no way to tell which ones did and did not experience it. (And I don't keep track)

Maybe hundreds, low thousands? Difficult to say.


30 May, 2009, 4:24am, 369 wrote:
Wouldn't that mean that aliens pick humans to touch to activate there abilities. To later use them for whatever purposes.
Maybe in some cases?

If you are asking me if they probably do? Probably.

There is alot of hidden topics in your question that would need to be touched on to fully answer it to my satisfaction.

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If they need someone to do something specific for them. They have plenty of assets on the ground. People will seemingly obey whatever is in their mindset as long as they don't react negatively to the psychic suggestion.

ET behavior modification is one key to making a person extremely pliable to suggestion.

Short example, if an ET needs you to trust them, they might use the illusion of a dead family member. Or they might employ the introduction of false memories to make the person believe they are old pals from a far far away land thousands of eons ago in a past life.

Sounds crazy right?

Yeah, until you look at how many individuals believe those illusions across the whole ufo community. ;) 8-)

They can tap anyone they need if the person is pliable to reacting on impulse. Montalk and I talk about this alot in a few threads.

Even a non-experiencer can be tapped on the shoulder to perform. Peoples minds are delicate and sensitive to remote psychic stimulation.

I have seen it performed first hand for demonstration purposes when I challenged the advisor.

[Lots of topics buried in your question]


30 May, 2009, 4:24am, 369 wrote:
Because I just kinda figured most of what I know without any human help or anything/one telling me conciously. Obviously acouple people helped, but I never really understand people's explanations for the use of abilities.


Let me tell you a scenario and see if it rings true for you.

You are doing something and suddenly you feel weird. You suddenly want to go to sleep immediately. You go to lay down and your out like a light in a moment.

The next few moments (that you can vaguely remember) are thoughts streaming through your mind about some specific topics. Architecture, scientific principles, concepts etc.

You try to focus in on it some more but suddenly you are awake. Hum, you wonder what was that about?

You shrug it off, then you go to work or go out and enjoy yourself. Then your fiend brings up his work on an project he's working at in a facility.

He mentions some of his top secret work boasting about how big and expensive the project is and how they want to put in some (making it up) cooling chambers. But he doesn't know what for,

You hear him talking and you say, wow, thats a great idea he has, but you suggest a few alterations. Your friend becomes intrigued with some of your thoughts on the layouts and asks to hear some more.

He asks you, hey you haven't been to engineering school have you? You tell him nah, you don't know the first thing about engineering. Your friend gives you a look and says okay, but then invites you to work for him as a consultant on the project. He says you'll make some quick cash and he can use your insight to make the project a cheaper build.

Months later,

The same thing happens again, you feel incredibly drowsy, you want to go to sleep. You lay down, and you fall asleep in a moment.

[I am being asked not to "detail" so much]

Suddenly, you become aware of someone or something in your sleep asking you questions you don't understand. A part of you is answering this person whom you cannot see but frightens you.

You become disturbed and wake up. Then go back to sleep as you are sure it is nothing but a bad dream. You have this for the next few nights.

Someone in your sleep is asking you to remember the details of the facility. Recall the designs, the plans, the width of the chambers, what materials are in use, how thick are the walls, what designs are being implemented in the cooling piers etc.

You wake up each time dazed and confused and feeling something in your room but you cannot see anything but you feel spooked out by something.

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The next day, someone walks up to you, and asks you if you want to work on the site. You say yes because the pay is great!

You start as a clerk in a back office looking at generic papers and contact information and names. Then you walk up to your supervisor and ask him about working in a better portion of the dacility since you feel you are a hard worker.

Your supervisor seems surprised, he says he was just thinking of giving you that appointment. He thought it was great that your brought it up as last night it suddenly came to him that you would be great for the position.

They look at your history and cedentials and past performance and do a psych evaluation and give you a clearance.

Suddenly you now have top secret clearance. You are introduced to the personnel you never even knew were there. You learn what the facility is being used and you learn who knows what.

Later that night you start getting these headaches and ear whines. You wonder if you have an ear infection or something. You take an asprin.

Suddenly you notice that night that you have those strange dreams again. You feel that you spoke to someone but don't remember who.

You shrug it off.

Then you go to work and you find that such and such guy who works the R&D section at the facility is sleeping on the job.

Hum, you think, I guess he had a bad nights sleep?

You think nothing of it. As the days roll on you notice that the top members working at the facility with higher clearance than yourself are making comments about having problems sleeping.

Some of them take medications etc.

You go on to work your way up the ladder of success onto top secret and higher clearance.

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In the end, this person will never know they were a plant. They will never know they were revealing information about sensitive national security secrets.

The ET's depicted will have had inside information about a specific facility and all it's particulars.

Now I made the example extremely detailed and specific for one kind of intervention.

But some nefarious ET's can use anyone to *any* end. To shout down a specific idea they don't want to become mainstream by ridicule and debunking Or the ever popular method of sending people who are mentally unstable to flood a place to discuss serious issue.

Be that a UFO convention or any thing they consider noteworthy.

Often the government is seen as the culprit of disinformation. But their roles are probably much smaller than most people think.

The ones who go crazy and flood out serious research never once saw a government agent. Never once did they get any "MILABS treatment".

Trust me, if there is one thing I have noticed, it's that ET's are great peddlers and salesmen of false information. They tell more wild stories of bunk than probably the whole of the CIA.

LOL (and they are good at it).

They have direct access to contactee and abductees and the minds of anyone they choose to target. It can be anyone. But don't let excessive paranoia get to you about this subject.


Skewing a persons mind is an art form and some of them are evil geniuses at it. They know how we work on several levels and use it to their advantage.



30 May, 2009, 4:24am, 369 wrote:
It's almost like something turns off my ability to understand anything.
You'd be surprised at the kinds of things that can be done.

If the advisor wasn't willing to show me first hand a long time ago and to do it on various people other than myself. I would not have believed a bit of it.

Reality is stranger than fiction! (by far!)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by quarian on 30 May, 2009, 7:07am


30 May, 2009, 6:45am, fore wrote:

But some nefarious ET's can use anyone to *any* end. To shout down a specific idea they don't want to become mainstream by ridicule and debunking Or the ever popular method of sending people who are mentally unstable to flood a place to discuss serious issue.

[/b]


Like possible life on Mars? ;)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 30 May, 2009, 7:10am


30 May, 2009, 7:07am, quarian wrote:

30 May, 2009, 6:45am, fore wrote:

But some nefarious ET's can use anyone to *any* end. To shout down a specific idea they don't want to become mainstream by ridicule and debunking Or the ever popular method of sending people who are mentally unstable to flood a place to discuss serious issue.

[/b]


Like possible life on Mars? ;)
8-) No comment?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 30 May, 2009, 2:20pm

That's interesting, I sometimes get hit with severe sleepiness at work, and move onto something else afterwards.

Yesterday, for example, I was hit by that and then found out there was a visit by a group from another location. Spent a good hour explaining to them how to reduce their costs in a sane manner ( essentially by giving them more for less ), so it now appears as though I am going to be training more people up in another location.

This, oddly enough, means I will be paid more, and potentially have access to more people and records. The odds on me running into more potential psychics also increases, notice a pattern?

Oh, while I am here, do you spot what appears to be my pattern intersecting with yours at times? If you ever identify me out of that mass could you send me a shout, I'd like to get the telepathic system working if possible.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 30 May, 2009, 7:05pm


Quote:
If you thought it was a "great idea" to pull out influence from your chest to enhance your "spiritual emotions"....and instead you notice your heartbeat turning irregular ::).


Could you elaborate more on this example? What is your definition of love or the "energy of love"?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 30 May, 2009, 9:29pm


30 May, 2009, 7:05pm, dreamoftheiris wrote:

Quote:
If you thought it was a "great idea" to pull out influence from your chest to enhance your "spiritual emotions"....and instead you notice your heartbeat turning irregular ::).


Could you elaborate more on this example? What is your definition of love or the "energy of love"?
It was a "made up" example of something that would [typically] cross the mind of a mystic.

Sometimes people seem to concoct strange ideas/schemes which impacts their health negatively. That is just a risk people take when they don't know what they are doing with their psychic abilities.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 30 May, 2009, 11:46pm


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But when other psychics notice the same things and the same phenomena in acutely the same way independently. You know it's not your imagination.

I have seen Phantoms traveling from house to house in a neighborhood. I was deeply encouraged by the advisor to be extremely objective and analytical. (skeptics rejoice LOL)

I have watched as people in that home (neighbors) start arguing to out loud to a fever pitch. And then the entity leaves. Sometimes they crawl up near the roof-line and lounge for a bit. In the psychic spectrum my second sight sees nothing but a dark black shape moving anywhere from walking speed to speeds approaching 30mph.


It might just be luck on my end but my wife sort of understands what you wrote about above. she fights back, in her own way ;) First time I mentioned this type of stuff to her she was actually more then onboard. A keen understanding of vampires and what not.

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Quote:

You are doing something and suddenly you feel weird. You suddenly want to go to sleep immediately. You go to lay down and your out like a light in a moment.

The next few moments (that you can vaguely remember) are thoughts streaming through your mind about some specific topics. Architecture, scientific principles, concepts etc.

You try to focus in on it some more but suddenly you are awake. Hum, you wonder what was that about?

You shrug it off, then you go to work or go out and enjoy yourself. Then your fiend brings up his work on an project he's working at in a facility.

He mentions some of his top secret work boasting about how big and expensive the project is and how they want to put in some (making it up) cooling chambers. But he doesn't know what for,

You hear him talking and you say, wow, thats a great idea he has, but you suggest a few alterations. Your friend becomes intrigued with some of your thoughts on the layouts and asks to hear some more.

He asks you, hey you haven't been to engineering school have you? You tell him nah, you don't know the first thing about engineering. Your friend gives you a look and says okay, but then invites you to work for him as a consultant on the project. He says you'll make some quick cash and he can use your insight to make the project a cheaper build.


yes it rings true... two puzzles though

the first one would be why would they use children as in why would i be getting this type of feed when i was 10 years old. What possible usage would any entity gov or alien get out of it?

The second one why is there always a buffer of sorts set in place i.e. no direct knowledge that can be traced back to a source? I have found myself passing on tidbits on various subjects to people with and without clearance. In many instances I have seen those I gave the info to get promoted and have also seen when applicable pieces of what I have explained implemented. How does a high school grad understand fiber optics well enough to help an engineer design the first mux system installed in NORAD (do to an ability of the system to properly perform error correction using the signal itself). never quite understood that one myself. Nor do I understand why I have knowledge of how the ELFCOM works.

so yes the above does make perfect sense to me, though I have not been directly promoted or provided access to secure areas ;)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 2 Jun, 2009, 11:10am


30 May, 2009, 11:46pm, wildmage wrote:

Quote:
But when other psychics notice the same things and the same phenomena in acutely the same way independently. You know it's not your imagination.

I have seen Phantoms traveling from house to house in a neighborhood. I was deeply encouraged by the advisor to be extremely objective and analytical. (skeptics rejoice LOL)

I have watched as people in that home (neighbors) start arguing to out loud to a fever pitch. And then the entity leaves. Sometimes they crawl up near the roof-line and lounge for a bit. In the psychic spectrum my second sight sees nothing but a dark black shape moving anywhere from walking speed to speeds approaching 30mph.


It might just be luck on my end but my wife sort of understands what you wrote about above. she fights back, in her own way ;) First time I mentioned this type of stuff to her she was actually more then onboard. A keen understanding of vampires and what not.

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Your wife calls phantoms vampires? I have to ask why?

(....but technically...in a sense...that is what they do)



30 May, 2009, 11:46pm, wildmage wrote:

Quote:

You are doing something and suddenly you feel weird. You suddenly want to go to sleep immediately. You go to lay down and your out like a light in a moment.

The next few moments (that you can vaguely remember) are thoughts streaming through your mind about some specific topics. Architecture, scientific principles, concepts etc.

You try to focus in on it some more but suddenly you are awake. Hum, you wonder what was that about?

You shrug it off, then you go to work or go out and enjoy yourself. Then your fiend brings up his work on an project he's working at in a facility.

He mentions some of his top secret work boasting about how big and expensive the project is and how they want to put in some (making it up) cooling chambers. But he doesn't know what for,

You hear him talking and you say, wow, thats a great idea he has, but you suggest a few alterations. Your friend becomes intrigued with some of your thoughts on the layouts and asks to hear some more.

He asks you, hey you haven't been to engineering school have you? You tell him nah, you don't know the first thing about engineering. Your friend gives you a look and says okay, but then invites you to work for him as a consultant on the project. He says you'll make some quick cash and he can use your insight to make the project a cheaper build.


yes it rings true... two puzzles though

the first one would be why would they use children as in why would i be getting this type of feed when i was 10 years old. What possible usage would any entity gov or alien get out of it?
I honestly don't know but I realize with everything that I have learned that it is probably extremely common with certain kinds of abductees, contactees and ET experiencers. (my gut instinct)

The advisor told me a long time ago when I broached these topics that it usually start very young. But some people get intervention much later on in life.

The early treatment she said was because of ~neurological~ development in one case. In another she said some ET take advantage of a clause in their supposed "rules" where the individual participating has to be consciously responsive and aware of what they are doing.

She had said some of the ET's seek permission at the earliest age that qualifies according to the rules and is the most advantageous for some agendas.

Unambiguously, she was basically saying at the time that some of the ET's take advantage of what constitutes "a thinking conscious entity" (say a 5 year old) who is old enough for the age of consent according to their rules.

Meaning, you have to be "just conscious enough" to agree. So rather than wait till people grow up and mature and then ask....some ET's skim the rules intentionally and go *far younger* to a point where the rules allow them to make an agreement for an interaction.

A 5 year old is old enough to understand basic English and different forms of communication, but young enough not to know when saying "NO" is the right thing for them to do.

You can read into that as much as you want....

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Why they would do that kind of process to a person at such a young age is probably numerous.

Interaction without total recall is what I have seen my own employ. I know the advisor had many conversations with me while I was asleep that I don't even recall.

I have caught a handful of them in progress and there are dreams that I have that repeat with a specific regularity that indicates something unusual happened when I was small.

I will type what I can recall right now in the next post.



30 May, 2009, 11:46pm, wildmage wrote:
The second one why is there always a buffer of sorts set in place i.e. no direct knowledge that can be traced back to a source?
Thats they way some ET's seem to want it.

For example, I cannot prove that my story is true, but people will still see my story and still take away elements of their own.

It's like the invisible/covert hand syndrome. Everyone knows it's there, and we see it's effects far and wide. But no one can actually acknowledge it.

If you talk to some ET researchers you'll quickly get the impression that their mindset is about blaming the government for the coverup. Or they will assume that the ET's disappear as soon as the experiencer wakes up.

But that simply isn't so.

The process continues (in some cases) long after everyone assumes the ET's have left the scene.


30 May, 2009, 11:46pm, wildmage wrote:
I have found myself passing on tidbits on various subjects to people with and without clearance. In many instances I have seen those I gave the info to get promoted and have also seen when applicable pieces of what I have explained implemented. How does a high school grad understand fiber optics well enough to help an engineer design the first mux system installed in NORAD (do to an ability of the system to properly perform error correction using the signal itself). never quite understood that one myself. Nor do I understand why I have knowledge of how the ELFCOM works.

so yes the above does make perfect sense to me, though I have not been directly promoted or provided access to secure areas ;)
I dunno about your personal story.

But they are fairly intelligent beings. They know alot of strategy and have deep intellectual insight into processes and dynamics.

They know how to get their way in a logical sequence of events. Cognitively speaking, I noticed the majority of "them" also see their environment in a completely different way than a human being does.

A human being sees and experiences their environment in a small confined space around them.

A regular person only perceives the environment around themselves to a specific degree. The cognition of a regular human being is the immediate world around them. Their world is within the confines of a few feet. People are separate from their environment and only sense the external world by their 5 physical senses 99% of the time.

An ET is a completely different experience from what I have personally observed and experienced on my own. They are not only aware of the world we see but they see information that our 5 senses cannot render for our us.

The ET is aware of it's environment on several levels, and has several levels of perceptual awareness about the environment. The ET's are also aware of the current time frame of events plus the events that have not yet transpired. (to different degrees)

To put it in a down to earth context. Imagine two separate mentalities.

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In one sense, as you read this paragraph, your mind is aware of only your immediate surroundings. You are aware of the room you are in and of the people around you on a physical level. Meaning your mind and their mind are separate. You also cannot sense anything more than what is obvious to your 5 senses.

In a sense, you are only aware of the present. You don't know what comes next in the next paragraph or what is going to happen tomorrow in the room you are in right now.

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If you were an ET:

You would be sitting there, while reading this paragraph you would become aware of the mind of the person who wrote it, and therefore know what the rest of this post was about by simply directing your psychic focus to that individual for a moment.

You would know what tomorrow is about and the day after that. You would know about the minds of anyone nearby and what they were thinking. You would know about their future and what was going to take place for the rest of the day.

If you went to your car and thought slightly of a co-worker, you would know what the co-worker was going to say when you got to your work place. You would then think about the topics the co-worker will express in a future time frame when you get to work.

If you wanted to know how your co-worker spent his night last night, your would simply read his mind from miles away as your drive to work. You would find out that he was arguing with his wife and that they made up last night.

When you got to work, you would know everything. When your co-worker opens his mouth, you already know what you are going to say since you have been contemplating it for the better part of an hour.

The day would be uneventful and boring and you would go back home knowing the whole series of events for the next week or more.

Everything running like clockwork.

Now imagine having an IQ well above 500 and a biology and mental capacity to support many threads of thought simultaneously. You will have a light idea as to what an ET's cognitive experiences is like compared to a regular human being.

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With the access to abundant cognitive information, high intelligence, superior mental capabilities. It is no surprise that they like strategic and process driven advances.

It stands to reason that their extensive life spans would lead to a very patient outlook.

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Unlike a human psychology which typically has "an itch" to fulfill ourselves *in the moment* with instant gratification. (which is the only thing we actually aware of)

An ET psychology is somewhat different. They are aware of events in a non-linear fashion. Before it happens, they are aware it.

Hence planning and strategy to any end goal is okay even if it is years and decades away. Because they probably already know for certain that if everything goes to plan as they have put it together, it will be fulfilled in time.

Their scope of life and fulfillment is less about the immediate "NOW". It is already a done deal (in their view) as long as they do their strategic processes correctly. For them it is already in their hand even before it has actually happened.

If you want to talk about Exo-politics and the Social/Religious ramifications arising from such a peculiar mindset...it sounds like a good thread starter!

;) 8-)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 2 Jun, 2009, 10:14pm


1 Jun, 2009, 7:20pm, cyrellys wrote:
Yes in the proper (natural) state those problems do not exist. What you describe sounds more like damage or injury.


I have been running tests off an on for the last few weeks while trying to turn my ability back on. Sort of like tiny test runs to see what happens and whether the problems reoccur.

So far I have noticed that the left side of my body continues to have systemic problems while my right side is perfectly fine. For a long time I have assumed one of two things.

Either I have a natural born defect that causes one side of my body to be unable to handle the emanations. Or that the embedded influence that the advisor put in when I was probably small is the cause of the problems.

The routine is simply this: As soon as I turn my psychic abilities on, a field begins to form around my body. When the field passes a certain threshold [I am being warned to not explain] of saturation. I

It begins to expand under the strength of the emanating influence and starts to form a general shape. The outward flow of psychic influence surrounding the body causes "positive pressure" where the flow rate is increased to a point where it creates a blanket effect.

From there the psychic structures form and give rise to the psychic abilities. The higher the intensity, the easier it is to enact a wider range of psychic abilities.

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The problem: My left side begins to discharge influence like my right side, The difference being that the left side begins to leak as if there were unusual leaks and that in turn causes the formation of psychic structures to form irregularly.

Up until a few days ago, I had assumed it may have been damage from prolonged activation. But I disagreeessment is now focusing on a more different conclusion.

It may have been that the psychic energy that was embedded in my body by my advisor (to facilitate monitoring and communication at a distance) may have been the actual cause of the problem.

The embedding of the alien psychic energy was probably what affected one side of my body to the point of causing abnormalities.

My left side, and my right side should be functioning the same. And yet they are not. Since her alien patterns were embedded just within the left side of my chest. I have to assume that she was the main cause of the problems to begin with.

It would go far to explain why she was so incredibly attentive over so many years.


1 Jun, 2009, 7:20pm, cyrellys wrote:
Like either your ability to intake and translate to physical residency self has been frayed...as a rope is frayed then the frayed ends allow for attachment of random, non-sensical information.
You somewhat got it wrong.

When people turn on their psychic abilities, it tends to create an influx of "spontaneous" perceptions of various kinds of information. If a person is not watched and guided through the process their "rope" (as you put it) may begin to fray.

Their imagination, their ongoing cognition of the physical world and the spontaneous psychic input can eventually cause them to lose grip with reality.

The mind of a human being is fairly shallow and originally comes out of the box with a certain purpose. ET's seem to come early into the life of an individual to steer (re-purpose) that neurological development to include psychic experiences and communication.

As a late stage development may sometimes hinder the communication process or create excess problems. Telepathy is harder than simply a "point and shout" communication format.

There are underlying processes both in the body and beyond the body that need to work in tandem to properly establish a certain quality of communication. It is probably why they are picky.

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A persons cognition of the world can start to unwind when their psychic abilities turn on. There are risks. It is not like alot of people expect it to be.

It's like trying to install a super modern operating system on top of really old hardware that wasn't designed for it. There are bound to be errors and problems. (to put it in computer tech speak)

There is training I underwent to eliminate the problem of imagination leaking into the information gathering process. But for people who don't undergo that training, they may end up mixing mental meanderings with psychic information.

Functionality is severely reduced at the current level that I am currently at.


1 Jun, 2009, 7:20pm, cyrellys wrote:
I have the impression that this is self-inflicted. ????
Nope.


1 Jun, 2009, 7:20pm, cyrellys wrote:
It is possible to turn off or step 'out of the room' of your abilities without doing that sort of damage to oneself for periods of physical relief.
There is a technique to shut down that psychic ability to allow someone time to recover from the stress of psychic activation.

Psychic abilities are aspects of your non-physical body perceptual awareness. There is no way to separate your consciousness from your psychic awareness.

In most average individuals, the non-physical body intensity and formation is set at a level that is extremely low to the point of being negligible in it's performance. There are perceptual "leaks" that occur into the "lower mind" and sometimes people become aware of it's extensive knowledge about many situations.

But for the most part, in human beings, psychic development is like an appendix. It's there and it doesn't quite perform any real job.


1 Jun, 2009, 7:20pm, cyrellys wrote:
Such damage is not truly necessary. But from your description further down it sounds like you are working your own repairs...so perhaps the practice in doing and fixing is important and necessary for your personal experience.
I dunno what you mean.

Yes, I am trying to fix the problems before I can go to a higher level. I don't want to be in the same conditions I had to endure over the last 20+ years.

If I am going to turn it on, I want to understand the problems and mitigate them properly this time.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 2 Jun, 2009, 11:58pm

First off I want to say thank you for taking the time to answer this with the amount of detail you provided.


Quote:
Your wife calls phantoms vampires? I have to ask why?

(....but technically...in a sense...that is what they do)


I do not know exactly why. I will have to ask her. Should be interesting to see how the subject gets brought up. Not exactly an easy "Hey honey you know how we were discussing the dark side a few years ago... well I have this question for you". What I can say is she is fascinated and intrigued by the subject, and she has studied it at length, not the standard Dracula, or Ann Rice popular culture stuff, but the historical and anthropological context of origins behind the myths and legends. Personally in this stream of context I much closer to a werewolf type with an affinity in that particular regard. (My son actually made the comment once; "mom dad has hair on his toes like a werewolf") Maybe she married me so she would have a protector while she slept. Just kidding of course ;)

The Victorian era open a lot of doors into the phantasmic and the possibilities thereof. Distilling many old urban legends into classical works around which much of our current understanding in regards to the paranormal is derived. It was also an exploration of ethics and morality, a cultural revolution of sorts in light of new scientific understanding. To me it would seem we are approaching the final phase of adsorption of this technology, which were mere ideas back then but have been implemented and perfected over the last 150 years or so.

The new paradigm points to a colonization of the solar system accompanied with enhancements in longevity and intelligence. Our next 150 years appears to be targeted towards an understanding of the dynamics behind a healthy biosphere, and its application in terraforming our neighboring astral bodies. It will be in enhancing earth's health to support expanded populations from an engineered perspective that we will gain the tools needed to colonize the solar system. Actual colonization will not start for another 300 or so years and the actual push to the stars is at least a millennia if not two away. Dependant on our rate of stabilization and absorption into this social construct. (I will stop there because it is drifting way off topic)

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Quote:

Unambiguously, she was basically saying at the time that some of the ET's take advantage of what constitutes "a thinking conscious entity" (say a 5 year old) who is old enough for the age of consent according to their rules.

Meaning, you have to be "just conscious enough" to agree. So rather than wait till people grow up and mature and then ask....some ET's skim the rules intentionally and go *far younger* to a point where the rules allow them to make an agreement for an interaction.

A 5 year old is old enough to understand basic English and different forms of communication, but young enough not to know when saying "NO" is the right thing for them to do.


This at its root explains the visceral negative reactions we have towards open contact with an alien race. My personal reaction about eight months to the Rockefeller proposal Garuda posted really surprised me. I never expected to react so negatively to what was obviously a call to not only understand the problem but to achieve open contact. It is the initial deceptive advantage utilized by these entities that generates this, into an irreconcilable emotion of mistrust. I am intrigued, but prefer to keep my distance. I will interact but my sense of weariness makes it too unbalanced to be considered a genuinely open exchange. This also leads into the next part of what you were explaining.


Quote:

When you got to work, you would know everything. When your co-worker opens his mouth, you already know what you are going to say since you have been contemplating it for the better part of an hour.

The day would be uneventful and boring and you would go back home knowing the whole series of events for the next week or more.

Everything running like clockwork.

Now imagine having an IQ well above 500 and a biology and mental capacity to support many threads of thought simultaneously. You will have a light idea as to what an ET's cognitive experiences is like compared to a regular human being.

===============================================

With the access to abundant cognitive information, high intelligence, superior mental capabilities. It is no surprise that they like strategic and process driven advances.

It stands to reason that their extensive life spans would lead to a very patient outlook.

-------------------------------------------------------

Unlike a human psychology which typically has "an itch" to fulfill ourselves *in the moment* with instant gratification. (which is the only thing we actually aware of)

An ET psychology is somewhat different. They are aware of events in a non-linear fashion. Before it happens, they are aware it.

Hence planning and strategy to any end goal is okay even if it is years and decades away. Because they probably already know for certain that if everything goes to plan as they have put it together, it will be fulfilled in time.

Their scope of life and fulfillment is less about the immediate "NOW". It is already a done deal (in their view) as long as they do their strategic processes correctly. For them it is already in their hand even before it has actually happened.


This is where I am torn, between truly wanting to learn and not understanding why it is I am being shown or instructed on the subject matter at hand. As long as I remained unaware of how I was used to facilitate events the process appeared benign. Testing those parameters thru refusal and experiencing the methodical enforcement of will, removed the veil of a cooperative effort over which I retained an ability to make personal choices. Irrelevance, and indifference driven by a pure statistical outcome of the desired eventuality was what was demonstrated, sheer mathematical precision. There is no free will when in this situation, or at least not one where we have a say in the outcome, it is manipulated without regard to a principle of free will. I know the latter may be harsh, and I can sense a lot please retract this, but without a proper explanation of why refusals are circumvented regardless of reasons provided then I will allow it to stand as such. I will agree we are definitely not on equal ground. The amount of vigilance and constant correction needed to enforce our own will when confronted with a decision over which we ethically, morally, or even instinctually disagree with is phenomenal. It can be done but like you said I recognize it as temporary at best. The only success I have found is that they deviate to another contactee to achieve their goal. The only satisfaction is in knowing that at least it was not executed thru me. Though I also realize that they simply shift towards what I find acceptable and use that to further other aspects of whatever their agenda may be.

Like it would not surprise me one bit that this conversation we are having was initiated at some point by your contacts thru mine. Just an uneasy feeling I get in the back of my mind when putting these ideas down in front of you. Almost like they are negotiating with you or trying to convince you re-engage or something along those lines... talk about nuts hey.


Quote:

If you want to talk about Exo-politics and the Social/Religious ramifications arising from such a peculiar mindset...it sounds like a good thread starter!


This is one I will need to seriously consider, if anything it would be a learning experience, because although I do have certain ideas I am far from being an expert on the subject matter. Many here are much more qualified, so if started it would be to learn from their expertise. The other point is it would have to be tightly controlled because mixing those three together into a single thread is like asking for trouble, the approach of those entering the conversation would have to be truly constructive vs. expounding on why certain political or religious systems are right or wrong, better or worse, true or false. For example the quotation of scriptures to make a point or to explain why things will or have happened a certain way, or even as an argument against or for a specific concept would necessarily need to be disallowed or at minimum respected as not a part of the discussion.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by iris on 3 Jun, 2009, 7:04am


2 Jun, 2009, 10:14pm, fore wrote:


So far I have noticed that the left side of my body continues to have systemic problems while my right side is perfectly fine.
...

The routine is simply this: As soon as I turn my psychic abilities on, a field begins to form around my body. When the field passes a certain threshold ...

It begins to expand under the strength of the emanating influence and starts to form a general shape. The outward flow of psychic influence surrounding the body causes "positive pressure" where the flow rate is increased to a point where it creates a blanket effect.

From there the psychic structures form and give rise to the psychic abilities. The higher the intensity, the easier it is to enact a wider range of psychic abilities.


it could be that your immediate environment has changed since you last activated your abilities, hence you cannot seem to bring them to a "natural" state that you remember
although this may not apply to you, I've lately been having slight problems assessing the time, and generally it feels as if time is dilating to an extent that I personally have never experienced, although I don't really know if it is a general phenomenon, or simply subjective in nature
with such changes, it becomes harder to physically gauge timing, and it feels as if the body doesn't know what clock speed to run at, and its at those times that arrhythmia seems to set in

in order to balance this effect, I usually try to find a state that feels the easiest to maintain over long periods of time, and it begins with finding the best posture for the given frame of time
this is not new information at all; yoga techniques stress that posture is extremely important when controlling energy flows, although you may already know this too
to calibrate, I focus my attention on a point directly above the center of my head, and imagine that my entire body weight hangs from that point in space
then, try to see what places in your spine emit sensations of discomfort or pain, and if it seems something is coiling there, try to unravel it
trying this method is relatively speaking very low risk, and even if it doesn't help psychically, at least it gives you better body posture
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 4 Jun, 2009, 11:15pm

Okay, i can tell already that they don't like what i'm getting ready to say, but i'm beyond caring about that now.

What makes them think that a human 5-year-old is mature enough to agree to a lifetime of abductions? ???

Since they are so highly advanced, I find it hard to believe that they don't realize that a small child doesn't have the mentality to be able to discern what they are signing up for.

I think that's a poor excuse and a coverup, to make it sound as if they are not doing anything wrong.

The night I read your post about this, fore, I literally went off. They got an earful, believe me.

~~~

It's stuff like this that prompted me to attempt what I did a few months ago. I know it's hard for people to understand what happened during that time (if they were reading the greys = demons thread), but surely if they knew what all was being done to us then they would feel the same way. At least I hope I'm not the only one who would stand up for humanity in that way. I suppose I am, though. Perhaps others would if they could think of a way to help.

Did it work? Did it do anything to make a positive change? Maybe. Maybe not. I do think that something happened to at least scare them into realizing that not all humans are going to take this deceit and manipulation lying down. If nothing happened then I certainly wouldn't have received as much attention as I've gotten in the past few months. ::)

Am I stupid? Crazy? I dunno. Maybe...


{edited to change a sentence where I circumvented the board's censoring of cuss words. Sorry about that. I swear like a sailor when I'm upset about something. :P}


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 5 Jun, 2009, 9:09am

If you listen very closely, you can hear a pin drop... ;)

~~~

Sorry about the thread-killing post, Fore. I get the feeling that you're not supposed to reply. :P
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 5 Jun, 2009, 8:36pm

Do you want me to delete my posts, Fore?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 6 Jun, 2009, 12:48am

No, why?

I just haven't settled into your questions yet.

You got the point that I was trying to make. I am glad you caught it. I will be sure to give you some ideas in the questions you raised.

P.S. If it offends me I will make sure to let people know about it. :)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 6 Jun, 2009, 1:17am


6 Jun, 2009, 12:48am, fore wrote:
No, why?


Well, I guess I thought you were avoiding my posts because you've been online since I wrote them, but haven't replied. I didn't want to leave them up here if they were not wanted. :P


Quote:
I just haven't settled into your questions yet.


Well, don't feel obligated. I don't want to create problems.


Quote:
You got the point that I was trying to make. I am glad you caught it. I will be sure to give you some ideas in the questions you raised.


Okay. But again, don't feel like you have to respond if this makes life harder for you.


Quote:
P.S. If it offends me I will make sure to let people know about it. :)


I'm sure you do... ;)

I did go in and modify my first post, though, since I cussed in it--or tried to... :)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 6 Jun, 2009, 4:02am

dove just relax
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 6 Jun, 2009, 4:24am

Thanks for the advice, 369. I'll be sure to remember that if my child ever has another bloody nose for no reason. ::)

It's easy for you to say relax when you are not being attacked. Anyways, I'm not freaking out, if that's what you're thinking. Just ask ET what my reaction is to them; they'll tell you. I get really fierce when they mess with me and my son, but I am far from being hysterical. It's more like a momma bear protecting her cubs.

You let me know how you feel about the subject when and if you ever have children that you need to protect. It's not just about the children either. Silly me, I'm looking out for all of my human brothers and sisters.


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 6 Jun, 2009, 6:43am

Okay.

But I was referring that fore has told you he wasn't avoiding you, but you keep thinking he is.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 6 Jun, 2009, 9:24am

Must be that mojo of his at work. It's kind of weird to me that dove (you) seems to be a little anxious and uncomfortable when it comes to speaking to Fore, but you seem unphased or carefree (in that there is no problem addressing other people) in most other threads I've seen you post in (which is relatively few, since I don't really venture too far in the forums). Then again, I get a little uncomfortable myself, but I think it's mostly me trying to articulate a thought in as precise a manner as possible and then losing the thought or abandoning it.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 6 Jun, 2009, 1:02pm

You guys seem to have the wrong impression about me...

I am not anxious or uncomfortable talking to Fore. I simply don't want to offend him by posting stuff in his thread if it's unwanted. It's called respect.

The reason why I asked him if I should delete my posts is because I hadn't heard back from him. Wouldn't you think someone was avoiding you if that happened to you?

I think that what makes me anxious or uncomfortable is the fact that I can't even think about him, let alone respond in this thread, without getting a visit from ET. And no, I don't purposefully sit around thinking about him all day. Strangely enough, it just happens throughout the day.

I am not consciously thinking about him very much except when his sig pops into my head. I cannot control this; it just happens that way. I feel bad about it when this occurs, because I don't want him to think that I'm doing it on purpose.

His contacts are very protective of him. I suppose it's because they don't want him to talk to people about the things he's learned from them. I suppose this is understandable.

@ Q~

I sometimes have a problem articulating my thoughts when it comes to posting here, as well. It doesn't help when you have some ET pressing in on your mind and making you forget what you were going to say, or subtly pushing you to *not* respond.

There are many things I would like to talk about with him, but for some reason I cannot bring myself to type up a long post. I'm completely amazed at how they do this to people. I know I'm not the only one that goes thru this when attempting to have a conversation in this thread.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by olddood on 6 Jun, 2009, 1:22pm

It is ALL good Dove. I do not 'think that' of you.
I would never tell you to relax or chill... I know you are not a hysterical lady...

Fore is busy at times and it 'seems' like he is not responding but, he is just busy.
I will not 'speak' for Fore but, from my own experiences with him he has been 'slow' to respond to me at times.
I do not take it personal...I just know he is doing other things.

I also know from experience with Fore that If he is upset with me for example...then he will Tell Me straight up. ;D
Not that he has been upset with me...I hope...hahaha!

Seriously, Fore is a straight shooter with people. You always know where you stand with him.
He is no different then the rest of us...he has to do 'everyday things' like we do that simply take up our time.

Hope this helps...So lets just move on and Enjoy! :)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 6 Jun, 2009, 5:23pm

Thanks for that, Dood, but I was talking to 369 and q when I wrote that last post. I don't think that everyone thinks I'm hysterical (if that made any sense). At least I hope not... ;)

I realize that Fore is a busy guy. It's no big deal. I've already moved on, I just thought I would explain a couple things to 369 and q since they were directly addressing me.

Thanks for your kindness, as always. :)


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by stal on 6 Jun, 2009, 6:27pm

dovely, teh fore mojo got you, just like it got me, and it got the mage. I'm the last person to say someone else sounds flustered (look at my early posts, eg: TI thread) but your grammer, syntax and structure would indicate a heightened, well whatever.you know what I mean ;)

and I mean it in the best posible way :)

-------

apple ogees fore, I won't jack your thread further.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by murnut on 6 Jun, 2009, 6:34pm

Gotta love and respect the MOJO
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Jun, 2009, 2:52am

The problem is basically about spreading myself too thin.

Too many people want a piece of me and when you think I am online I am actually not. I leave a plugin for firefox called "ReloadEvery" on the home index page and from there on occasion I can see some of the activity when I am working on this computer.

I have lots of things I want to do, but not enough time or patience to get to all of them in a reasonable time.

Iris made a fascinating post a long while back, and I haven't yet gotten around to responding.

As you all know me well enough, I usually respond with large posts and rarely small ones like this. They take time to compile and write out and then check and edit for bad grammar.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 7 Jun, 2009, 4:27am

No worries, I don't "want a piece of you" or need you to answer my post necessarily. It's really no big deal. I just wanted to let you know what my feelings were in regards to 'their' way of handling people.

I told you that it was all good, but then others added their input so i responded. As moderator, and since this is your thread, feel free to get rid of any of the past few posts that you wish to remove.

@ your responses. I know what you mean. It takes me forever sometimes to post because i edit so much. I don't know if being an editor previously was a good thing or not. I'm much too picky. It looks like you have the same "problem". :)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 7 Jun, 2009, 4:35am


6 Jun, 2009, 6:27pm, stal wrote:
dovely, teh fore mojo got you, just like it got me, and it got the mage. I'm the last person to say someone else sounds flustered (look at my early posts, eg: TI thread) but your grammer, syntax and structure would indicate a heightened, well whatever.you know what I mean ;)

and I mean it in the best posible way :)

-------

apple ogees fore, I won't jack your thread further.


I actually don't know what you mean. Maybe if I was fully functioning today I would get it, but alas I have not been. Either I've been being attacked all day, or someone finally took that device out of me. i'm still not back to normal, but at least i can move my body now more than i have for the past 9 hours.

thanks for the laugh anyways. much appreciated.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Jun, 2009, 5:19am


6 Jun, 2009, 6:34pm, murnut wrote:
Gotta love and respect the MOJO


@ Mur

The ?latest? "victim" of the mystery mojo reveals what she had been through.

[image]
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Jun, 2009, 5:21am

@ Everyone

I plan to dedicate some time to your answers tonight.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 7 Jun, 2009, 6:45am


7 Jun, 2009, 5:21am, fore wrote:
@ Everyone

I plan to dedicate some time to your answers tonight.


ask any one in your group why I'm seeing an opportunity here?


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 2112 on 7 Jun, 2009, 2:02pm

I have just caught up to this thread after a long time away. Very interesting - the mojo issue - as about a year ago or so, I was more involved in the thread and one night, I am quite sure I saw a grey exit my room after a "tune-up". Since then, I've had no known visits and very few 'dreams' in this regard and even fewer daytime 'impressions'. Coupled with very little compelling information to add to such a rich forum. Like writers block that started immediately after that visit.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 7 Jun, 2009, 8:32pm


7 Jun, 2009, 2:02pm, 2112 wrote:
I have just caught up to this thread after a long time away. Very interesting - the mojo issue - as about a year ago or so, I was more involved in the thread and one night, I am quite sure I saw a grey exit my room after a "tune-up". Since then, I've had no known visits and very few 'dreams' in this regard and even fewer daytime 'impressions'. Coupled with very little compelling information to add to such a rich forum. Like writers block that started immediately after that visit.


Why am I not surprised to hear you have writer's block? I think it's contagious... ::)




Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Jun, 2009, 11:59pm


4 Jun, 2009, 11:15pm, dove wrote:
Okay, i can tell already that they don't like what i'm getting ready to say, but i'm beyond caring about that now.

What makes them think that a human 5-year-old is mature enough to agree to a lifetime of abductions? ???
Well, if you asking their point of view I don't know. But if you allow me to speculate some, then I can say plainly that communicating with someone via telepathy is far more flexible and intelligible than talking to someone with the spoken word.

For a 5 year old I had a pretty capable ability to communicate. I didn't change much until about age 10 or there abouts.

===============================================

People (on this earth) agree to the age of consent by establishing a generalized common age. But the developmental mental capacity of a person sometimes doesn't track well with the establish common agreement in their capacity for an intelligible consent even if it is an age set by law.

Meaning: people develop at different rates. I have seen some 40 year old adults who internally display the likeness of a child. They have big bodies small brains and low mental development.

---------------------------------

Having said that, it is different if you are communicating past the language centers of the brain. I noticed when I was really young that the advisor could communicate farily advanced concepts even if I did not know the audible language version of what she was saying.

Telepathy has various modes and styles that can be used to communicate a thought even if the person is incapable of processing natural language. It might be a related to the way the brain processes information and how the telepathy works.

This is without the use of the higher mind by the way. That just adds even more complications.

===============================================

Now to answer your question, it's fairly obvious they intentionally target (in my sole experience and sentiment) individuals whom they can form a mental consent with. They are probably not interested in a PHD doctorate professor who can give a 101 logical rebuttals to seek consent.

They are in all intents and purposes, seeking to rob the cradle. (IMHO)

Just smart enough to say yes and generally understand the process of consent, not old enough to know better to not consent.

The weakest link in the chain of life experiences. 8-)

Those are my [personal] views on that subject.



4 Jun, 2009, 11:15pm, dove wrote:
Since they are so highly advanced, I find it hard to believe that they don't realize that a small child doesn't have the mentality to be able to discern what they are signing up for.
I am PRETTY SURE they know that too dove. Hence the process. ;)


4 Jun, 2009, 11:15pm, dove wrote:
I think that's a poor excuse and a coverup, to make it sound as if they are not doing anything wrong.
Agreed.

In my own case, I realize that I was old enough to give consent, but not wise enough to "know better". My loss is their gain.

This caused alot of frustration between me and my group.

[quote author=dove board=research thread=1953 post=185487 time=1244150141]The night I read your post about this, fore, I literally went off. They got an earful, believe me.

~~~

It's stuff like this that prompted me to attempt what I did a few months ago. I know it's hard for people to understand what happened during that time (if they were reading the greys = demons thread), but surely if they knew what all was being done to us then they would feel the same way. At least I hope I'm not the only one who would stand up for humanity in that way. I suppose I am, though. Perhaps others would if they could think of a way to help.

Did it work? Did it do anything to make a positive change? Maybe. Maybe not. I do think that something happened to at least scare them into realizing that not all humans are going to take this deceit and manipulation lying down. If nothing happened then I certainly wouldn't have received as much attention as I've gotten in the past few months. ::)

Am I stupid? Crazy? I dunno. Maybe...[/quote[ You don't strike me as crazy.

The last time I scanned you was quite a while ago. The only thing I found was that there was a small identity problem. As if you were someone who wasn't what they seemed on the surface.

I assumed either you were an experiencer who was holding back on their real story or you were probing the waters of OMF.

I mentioned it to someone when they asked me about it. I am pretty sure my group read my mind on that day. They like to keep tabs on those kinds of things.

I suspect the unseen "mystery-mojo" behind the scenes may possibly be related to their hidden hand or activities. But I always got warned not to bring it up as it was bad in general to air those thoughts.

The ufo community, in general, is far more susceptible to rampant paranoia at such a suggestion. So I can't admit to thuggish ET's who push people around for asking good questions.

"Welcome to my world."


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 8 Jun, 2009, 12:06am


6 Jun, 2009, 4:24am, dove wrote:
Thanks for the advice, 369. I'll be sure to remember that if my child ever has another bloody nose for no reason. ::)

It's easy for you to say relax when you are not being attacked. Anyways, I'm not freaking out, if that's what you're thinking. Just ask ET what my reaction is to them; they'll tell you. I get really fierce when they mess with me and my son, but I am far from being hysterical. It's more like a momma bear protecting her cubs.

You let me know how you feel about the subject when and if you ever have children that you need to protect. It's not just about the children either. Silly me, I'm looking out for all of my human brothers and sisters.

You should take a picture of your kid in the midst of a nosebleed. That would be of a great concern for the ET affairs department.

I am sure you would have an "unexpected" series of occurrences with a few Greys and maybe even a Supervisor if you ever did.

(I am being dramatic, but it really would be interesting to see what results from it.....yeah, I am trouble maker for the ETs.)

===============================================

Anyway, in all seriousness, what was the cause of the nosebleeds?

What did your child experience? Was it a girl?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 8 Jun, 2009, 12:36am


6 Jun, 2009, 9:24am, q wrote:
Must be that mojo of his at work. It's kind of weird to me that dove (you) seems to be a little anxious and uncomfortable when it comes to speaking to Fore, but you seem unphased or carefree (in that there is no problem addressing other people) in most other threads I've seen you post in (which is relatively few, since I don't really venture too far in the forums). Then again, I get a little uncomfortable myself, but I think it's mostly me trying to articulate a thought in as precise a manner as possible and then losing the thought or abandoning it.


Ah that sounds familiar.

The best way to stop "a problem" is to futz with the mind of the questioners.

The funny thing is Q, probably everyone in this thread has had that experience, but few if any would be willing to speak about it for the fear of being seen as "a little cooky".

If no one says it (but me?) then "it's okay" and it's as if it never existed. (as far as ET logic goes)

================================================

This is the point where I would usually be told to tell you guys that it is probably "your imagination".

Well....that's what I would say if I were being disingenuous.

The real "core reason", I don't post that frequently in my thread anymore, is not so much the factor of time.

It is because I feel an unconscious/subconcious resistance towards answering peoples questions. Followed by a lack of will to do anything about it.

Montalk has experienced the same.

But I cannot say that on thread because it brings forth all kinds of complicated situations that I wouldn't know how to deal with. And there is usually the guy/gal who jumps in and has a bit of a twitching disorder (read crazy) whom claims they are having things done to them when they aren't.

So I pretend nothing is happening and even though I know those signs personally, I pretend it doesn't exist.

As long as we all don't acknowledge such occurrences it is as if doesn't happen. And lets face it, everyone is hesitant to say that it does happen.

Why?

Fear of ridicule.

That you might be seen as being "a little nutty" if you admit that your mind goes blank when you have a great question you think you should ask.

Or that you suddenly, without apparent reason, feel compulsively drawn away from touching the topic and even get illness symptoms if you insist.

================================================

[Begin cynicism]

No, we should not point the finger at what is behind the scenes doing its ominous work.

Even though I would bet most of us are well aware of something or someone doing seemingly "supernatural influences" in our lives.

Nay, we mustn't name it. For we might turn to one another in bewildered stares and laugh at how we all sound "so crazy" yet we all secretly experience the same general treatment.

Let us not tempt the intelligent and fully conscious beings hiding behind the the curtain of potential ridicule.

[End cynicism]

==========

I bet if I opened a thread just to discuss the kinds of strangeness that accompanies participating in this thread <cough>, people would be spooked from going here anymore.

<cough> Or <cough>

They might begin noticing systemic patterns of intelligently guided interventions. And that would be bad for the ET's to have that revealed. :o 8-)

Imagine that, that they would bother to listen in and monitor. It might just spark something.

P.S. It happens in many other places by the way, it is not a special thing attached to me. It is simply something of a common occurrence that very likely goes under-reported.

The ET's (I know first hand) don't want people to realize that kind of "stuff" goes on. It's bad for ET business...

Someone should open a thread to discuss such crazy sounding phenomena. You'll surely notice you are not alone in your experiences.

Just one reference example:

Vigusa = Guest (once she deleted her account).

http://federationoflightcommunity.lefora....the-ears/page1/






Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 8 Jun, 2009, 3:24am

I just love it when I get a full post written and somebody comes along and screws with my internet connection when I go to preview or send it...

NOT. ::)

Okay, so I'm going to do this one more time. Hopefully I'll remember everything I said the first time. :P

Nice try, dude...

Kiss my patootee, will ya?

Friggin jerk.... >:(

Of course, I'm not talking to you, Fore. I seriously doubt if it was you that messed up my connection. :P


7 Jun, 2009, 11:59pm, fore wrote:
You don't strike me as crazy.


Okay, well that's good. Sometimes I really wonder if I've lost it or not... :P


Quote:
The last time I scanned you was quite a while ago.


Are you sure about that? I could swear that you've done that recently. Maybe it's just your contacts. I dunno for sure, but several times it has felt like you were scanning me or visiting me. Could be your advisor, I guess. Of course, it could be entities tricking me into thinking it was you or your contacts.


Quote:
The only thing I found was that there was a small identity problem. As if you were someone who wasn't what they seemed on the surface.

I assumed either you were an experiencer who was holding back on their real story or you were probing the waters of OMF.


Identity problem? Hmmm...

Are you saying that I pretend to be someone I'm not? I assure you that I have not lied or deceived anyone here through my writing. When I registered, I listed my date of birth slightly wrong, as discussed in WM's serenity thread, but that's the only thing that I covered up, and that was because I thought that I was able to keep a semblence of privacy by doing that. Now I know better than to think that I could stay anonymous around here with all the ET and human and human/hybrid agents that visit OM.

I am straightforward about myself, and I'm pretty much an open book to anyone who scans me. At least I was when I first came here. At that time I had no idea how to shield my thoughts or block scans. I still don't shield my thoughts very much. I really have nothing to hide, other than a few things I've done in the past which I'm not fond of.

It's quite possible that what you sensed was that being who is or was inside of me via that hook-like device. I felt like I was possessed at times, to be honest. It was able to move my body at will. Who knows what else it's done?

I was told that this being was my twin who got absorbed during my mom's pregnancy. Then I was told by another person that it was an entity who's been with me for several lifetimes, and who came from celtic Ireland. He said his name was Hiram. However, I don't know if these two beings were one and the same. I think they are, and it keeps lying to people who try to find out who it is.

I was told about the first one a couple years ago, but the other one was just last December. This was after those entities tried to jump on me; one at a friend's house, and the other at the cabin that I wrote about in my thread in the encounters section. I didn't think that they stayed on me, though. I'm pretty sure their purpose was to get me to have another stroke, since I was having them quite often at the time.

Today, after my long, drawn-out experience yesterday, I suddenly perceived that the one who put this thing in me is a leprechaun. I know that sounds really strange. I think so, too. But I also cannot totally discount the possibility. If fairies exist, then so do the leprechauns. And since this being told my (ex)friend that he was from Ireland, it almost makes sense to me now.

{I'm pretty sure that this last paragraph was the reason why someone interferred with my internet connection when I tried to send this the first time.}

At any rate, there is a personality attached to this device in me. Either that, or someone is controlling me thru other implants.


Quote:
I mentioned it to someone when they asked me about it. I am pretty sure my group read my mind on that day. They like to keep tabs on those kinds of things.


Someone here asked you if I was being honest or not? That's interesting...Like I said, I have nothing to hide from anyone here. Not that I want everyone knowing my personal history, but it's not that big of a deal. I'm not particulary proud of everything I've done in my life, but I can't help who I am or who I was. I've changed a lot in the past few years. I think I've always been a decent person, but I do have a couple skeletons in my closet. Don't we all?



Quote:
I suspect the unseen "mystery-mojo" behind the scenes may possibly be related to their hidden hand or activities. But I always got warned not to bring it up as it was bad in general to air those thoughts.

The ufo community, in general, is far more susceptible to rampant paranoia at such a suggestion. So I can't admit to thuggish ET's who push people around for asking good questions.


Yeah, I can imagine that they wouldn't like it so much if you told people the truth about them... :P


Quote:
Welcome to my world


I have to tell you, Fore, that your world sucks. I'm finding out for myself how it is to deal with things like that, and it's not fun... :-/

I know you probably don't want pity, but I do feel sorry for you. I wouldn't wish your experiences on anyone--even the bastard that put this hook in me...


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 8 Jun, 2009, 3:51am


8 Jun, 2009, 12:06am, fore wrote:

You should take a picture of your kid in the midst of a nosebleed. That would be of a great concern for the ET affairs department.


Oh, that's funny. I'll definitely keep that in mind. ;D


Quote:
I am sure you would have an "unexpected" series of occurrences with a few Greys and maybe even a Supervisor if you ever did.


Yeah. I'm quite sure that would happen, as well. But it's not like I don't have those visitors now... ::)


Quote:
(I am being dramatic, but it really would be interesting to see what results from it.....yeah, I am trouble maker for the ETs.)


hehehe...me too. ;)


Quote:
===============================================

Anyway, in all seriousness, what was the cause of the nosebleeds?

What did your child experience? Was it a girl?


As far as I know, there has only been one incident, though I have found what looks like blood on my sheets where my child sleeps with me.

It's a boy, and he was quite young when this happened. He wasn't able to tell me anything about it. He was four when it occured, I think.

It was definitely a strange experience. I was sitting in my den reading one night. Of course, I was studying woo-woo stuff at the time, like I do now. I don't remember very much about that night--not surprisingly.

What I can recall is that I was out here reading and I started to feel sleepy and out of it. I don't know how much time passed. The next thing I know, I felt a presence in the room. I turned around and found my son hunched down behind some boxes, hiding. I was very startled to find him there. He was supposed to be in the house with his dad.

When I walked over to him, I saw that his nose was bleeding. He seemed to be confused as to how he got there, and he didn't even realize that blood was coming out of his nose. This really scared me, and him too, since he didn't know it was happening. At the time, I didn't know that it was normal for abducted children to get nosebleeds.

I don't remember how long it took for the bleeding to stop. There was no apparent cause for it. He hadn't ever had one before to my knowledge.

He said he didn't know what happened or why he was out here instead of in the house. I don't remember why his dad didn't know that he was out here with me. The whole incident was blurred in my memory. At the time I was having strokes and extreme brain fog from the pressure-build-up in my head and spine, so I thought that was why I had a hard time remembering the incident.

I can remember that when I was a child, I also had a few unexplainable nosebleeds. My son and I both were at the age when they first start abducting and implanting children. If I'm lucky, then there is absolutely no connection and neither one of us are abductees. I'm not holding my breath, though... ::)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 8 Jun, 2009, 5:49am

On the consent thing, it makes sense, psychologically, to target a kid around 5 years old. Kids that young (approximately between ages 3 and 10) are known to be sponge-like mentally and can learn a vast amount of information, complex or not, in short periods of time. Like you said before, Fore, you at the age of five were aware enough to be able to say yes or no to your desires, though not aware enough to understand the ramifications. This wouldn't even hold up in American legal courts, considering the precedence established on topics such as contracts with minors or contracts with people who are mentally incapable of understanding the terms of a contract (including mentally retarded or mentally ill people). The group basically brokered a contract with a mentally incapacitated minor, in which the contract would normally be voided; but it's a little different when an extraterrestrial is involved.

Edit: Forgot about the part where the thread extended another page, which segues perfectly to what Fore mentioned. I can't really say that it's ET intervention squelching my curiosity for sure, since I am quite forgetful for a 21 year old, but I've memorized enough of the information written about... yay, lost thought. [2 seconds later] I remember now... [immediately after writing] ok, maybe not. Oh, there's slight pressure... kind of tingly to.

[about 5 seconds later]
Now it's gone a bit, just like my thought. This sort of thing is common for me, so I don't know if this is one of those moments where a thought is suppressed or not, but now I'm starting to lose focus.

Another edit: I think I remember what I was talking about, it was about the intervention ET's partake in the suppression of memory. It's kind of hard to remember what I was even talking about now, now that I'm re-reading it. I like how I look exactly as ridiculous as you just described. Lol.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 8 Jun, 2009, 5:51am

Fore's interesting commentary has been added to my thread, so people can reply about specific weirdness there [ without overwhelming this thread ]. I doubt I'll get another visit any time soon, so plenty of space there for discussion.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 8 Jun, 2009, 2:09pm


8 Jun, 2009, 5:49am, q wrote:
Edit: Forgot about the part where the thread extended another page, which segues perfectly to what Fore mentioned. I can't really say that it's ET intervention squelching my curiosity for sure, since I am quite forgetful for a 21 year old, but I've memorized enough of the information written about... yay, lost thought. [2 seconds later] I remember now... [immediately after writing] ok, maybe not. Oh, there's slight pressure... kind of tingly to.

[about 5 seconds later]
Now it's gone a bit, just like my thought. This sort of thing is common for me, so I don't know if this is one of those moments where a thought is suppressed or not, but now I'm starting to lose focus.

Another edit: I think I remember what I was talking about, it was about the intervention ET's partake in the suppression of memory. It's kind of hard to remember what I was even talking about now, now that I'm re-reading it. I like how I look exactly as ridiculous as you just described. Lol.


Q~

Please don't worry that you look ridiculous for not remembering what you were going to say. It really does happen to a lot of people, especially the ones that reply in this thread.

To be honest, it was happening to me before I even started coming here to OM. It seems that when you get too close to the truth they put you to sleep, so it's not just a phenomenon relegated to this particular thread. :P

As I mentioned to Aragami, perhaps you could keep a small notebook and pen with you at all times so that you can jot down your thoughts before they attempt to wipe them from your mind. Or you can do what I do, and that's just to wait it out and know that it will come back to you soon.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 8 Jun, 2009, 3:49pm


8 Jun, 2009, 2:09pm, dove wrote:

8 Jun, 2009, 5:49am, q wrote:
Edit: Forgot about the part where the thread extended another page, which segues perfectly to what Fore mentioned. I can't really say that it's ET intervention squelching my curiosity for sure, since I am quite forgetful for a 21 year old, but I've memorized enough of the information written about... yay, lost thought. [2 seconds later] I remember now... [immediately after writing] ok, maybe not. Oh, there's slight pressure... kind of tingly to.

[about 5 seconds later]
Now it's gone a bit, just like my thought. This sort of thing is common for me, so I don't know if this is one of those moments where a thought is suppressed or not, but now I'm starting to lose focus.

Another edit: I think I remember what I was talking about, it was about the intervention ET's partake in the suppression of memory. It's kind of hard to remember what I was even talking about now, now that I'm re-reading it. I like how I look exactly as ridiculous as you just described. Lol.


Q~

Please don't worry that you look ridiculous for not remembering what you were going to say. It really does happen to a lot of people, especially the ones that reply in this thread.

To be honest, it was happening to me before I even started coming here to OM. It seems that when you get too close to the truth they put you to sleep, so it's not just a phenomenon relegated to this particular thread. :P

As I mentioned to Aragami, perhaps you could keep a small notebook and pen with you at all times so that you can jot down your thoughts before they attempt to wipe them from your mind. Or you can do what I do, and that's just to wait it out and know that it will come back to you soon.
I hadn't intended that topic to get discussed in this thread.

All sorts of weirdness comes from peoples closets and I'd prefer to keep it in another thread.

Here ya go: http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.c....rch&thread=5774
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 8 Jun, 2009, 5:51pm

Sorry, Fore... :-/

I was responding to what Q said in his last post. You had not started the weirdness thread yet, or I would have placed it there instead. Go ahead and move the replies that you don't want to be here in your thread, and then delete this reply afterwards--or I can delete it.

I was going to say something else, but I don't know what your sense of humor is like and I don't want to offend you by joking around. :P


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 8 Jun, 2009, 11:37pm

Source: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/105343

Yes Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, there are UFOs and Men in Black


Gary S. Bekkum
June 08, 2009
It's interesting how the mainstream media downplays the connection made by Apollo astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, the sixth man to walk on the moon, between UFOs and the "men in black."

Over the weekend I took a few minutes to review interviews conducted with Dr. Mitchell when he appeared on CNN, Fox, and other programs in the summer of 2008, following his claim on Kerrang Radio in the UK of a government cover-up of an extraterrestrial presence.

According to Dr. Edgar Mitchell, the aliens are here.

As one commentator noted, "Dr. Mitchell, if this is true, this would be the story of the century!"

Of course the true believers already know the UFOs have arrived. And they hold a million tales of alien visitation near and dear to their hearts.

Yes, Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, there are UFOs and Men in Black.

Your little friends in the media are wrong, sir.

"They have been affected by a skepticism of a skeptical age."

UFOs and Men in Black exist as certainly as paranoia and duplicity, deception and misdirection, cover-ups and scandals, misdeeds and mistakes, tricksters all, hidden under the guise of protecting our national security.

"They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be that is not comprehensible by their little minds."

"All minds," Dr. Mitchell, "Whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours, man is a mere insect, an ant in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge."

The power of these words, penned by Francis Pharcellus Church in 1897, transcend and translate universal truth.

A truth no one knows better than you, Dr. Mitchell, when you gazed at our tiny world lost in the blackness of infinite space and knew there was more intelligence "out there" than the little minds of men could hold.

First steps; infant steps taken toward the stars.

Alas! How dreary would be late night talk radio, were there no UFOs, aliens, and Men in Black. It would be as dreary as if there were no Dr. Edgar Mitchell to bring forth a disclosure of the secrets and the cover-ups.

"There would be no child-like faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence."

Not believe in UFOs sir?

You might as well not believe in the Men in Black, who watch every sensor in space, every movement on the Earth, read every message as it passes from spark to thought around our world and back again.



You might as well not believe in Ingo Swann, in spite of his TOP SECRET clearance, who flew to the moon and back on a thought, not a rocket, and later trained teams of psychics to provide defense intelligence under approval of the Deputy Secretary of Defense and Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

You might ask the NSA, but even if then they did not find a single UFO or an alien presence, what would that prove?

"The most real things in the world are those than neither men nor children can see ... Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world."

We have been told about these things, and have heard a few tales as well.

We have heard that the Men in Black cannot track the phenomena, so instead they track the people involved with the phenomena.

We have heard about "network analysis" and secret government "core stories," about "alien guests of the U.S. government," and "extraterrestrial biological entities."

We have heard tales of government cover-ups, of secret locations, of reverse engineered extraterrestrial derived technologies, of minds, machines, and madness.

We have read accounts from "human time machines" and their predictions of 9/11 years and months before the events took place.

We have seen letters, documents, email messages, declassified memorandums, power plays, Internet spy games, and fingers pointed to those who are no longer with us.

We have read the testimony of your late colleague, Mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper, about engineering information passed on to NASA from a "telepathic extraterrestrial source."

We have experienced the magic of dreams and visions, encounters at the limit of the human mind, and the reality beyond.

"You may tear apart a baby's rattle, to see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor event the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond."

Is it all real?

Are there UFOs and Men in Black, an alien presence, hidden agendas and a cosmic mystery?

Yes, Dr. Mitchell, "in all this world there is nothing else as real and abiding."

For more real-life tales please visit STARpod.org.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 11 Jun, 2009, 12:18am


7 Jun, 2009, 11:59pm, fore wrote:
The last time I scanned you was quite a while ago. The only thing I found was that there was a small identity problem. As if you were someone who wasn't what they seemed on the surface.


Fore, I thought of something else after I replied to this the first time. Another reason why you might have sensed some kind of identity crisis in my signature is because for well over a year now I've been asking myself who I am, among other things.

This is a 'bi-level' question. I use pretty much the same words each time, but with different meaning--depending on what I am thinking about. I ask about it on a personal basis, and also on a larger one that involves all of humanity.

This has become a weekly question for me; sometimes more frequently. I often ask this out loud with much emotion, such as sadness and frustration. Perhaps that's what you picked up on. Quite likely if you scanned me on a day I was really upset and/or confused--though at this point, these questions may be part of my identity. ::)

Another question I ask myself is 'why am I (or we) here?', along with 'where did i (or we) come from?'. I am obsessed with these questions, and I ask them often in hopes that I will learn the answers. I ask them most when I am contemplating who WE are as a species--and who GOD is, as well.

The rest of the time I am asking them because I want to know who *I* am as a soul or an individual. Why do I feel such a heavy burden to make things right here? I would like to know what drives me to feel the way I do, and think the way I do.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has this question about their identity; maybe I just ask it a lot more often than the normal person.

So anyways, that could explain why you are seeing an identity crisis in me. Though again, it might have something to do with that device/hook, or whatever it is.

I'd like to find an honest, competent person to hypnotize me so that I can find out some of this stuff from my higher self/subconscious. I don't think they want me to know who put that hook in me. Although I am curious, I don't think I would push the issue of knowing who they are if they would just take it out of me and repair any damage that it's caused, like to my heart and liver and spleen.

~~~

I know you're stretched thin with your time. It's no wonder, considering the work you put into the posts on the other threads. You don't need to respond; I just wanted to add that information, regarding why you would see conflict of identity within me.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 14 Jun, 2009, 11:04pm

I had a strange (repeat) dream (that was one of my long standing favorites for various reasons).

It re-occurs every few years. It started about age 5. At the latest probably age 8. The mentality of the original me who first had this dream was really young. So you have to take into account that I don't know alot of things and am experiencing it through a very young mindset.

As the dream repeats over the years, as the observer I age but the series of event do not change.

This time around at the very beginning, I recalled this old dream and decided to explore it at my leisure; I sometimes do this by skipping about in the dream by consciously going through different motions rather than being locked in into a cinematic like sequence of events...

It starts off with realizing that I have been transported from my "normal world" into some "strange world". Remember the original me who had this dream was just age ~5~ or so.

I don't recall how I ended up in strangers house in the middle of a desert. This seems to be a different reality and somehow I realize that.

I realize that there are two parent-like figures who have suddenly opted to take me in to their home in this strange place. The house has several rooms.

[At this point I become aware in the dream that I am having a repeat dream from my childhood.]

I have thoughts of having been taken through a hole in the fabric of reality. That somehow I ended up here in this alternative reality. (yes as a child I thought this)

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There are two parent like people in "the kitchen" off to my left. I recall they told me they would take care of me for the time being while I am with them.

Outside I can see the desert all around. It seems that the city where I came from is gone. I recall pre-memories from the start of the dream of a strange hole opening up and taking me to this place with some flashes of light. This must be another reality (that's what I think for some odd reason as a child).

When looking outside through one of the rooms to the right of the front door, I cannot see anything at all except the open expanse of the desert outside. I wonder, how many people "are alive" in this place?

I should have gone to the front door, then turned around and walked towards the kitchen. Where I would have talked with the two kind strangers who took me in. They would have been near a table in the kitchen and they would have talked to me about something.

But my conscious mind of the present wanted to skip through the standard unfolding of the dream to certain key points of interest. As I recalled with my present day memory the rough sequence of events. I recalled two events standing out that I wanted to see once again to recall it totally.

The two events were of seeing these peoples daughter in the room at the far end of the house towards the back. I recall with my present mind that the daughter was creepy in her behavior but interesting to look at. Though I did not recall why inside the dream.

The other was to see the woman in blue clothing holding something like a sword. (like rushing off to see an old friend I guess)? But that was towards the end of the dream. I also recalled that I had to save some kids before that. So I wanted to rush through the dream to remember as much as I could.

So I skipped talking to the parents in the kitchen, and went to the daughters bedroom down the far end of the hall. In my present mind, I began to recall that I couldn't let her close the door or get too close to me, because my memory of the dreams events told me that she would then keep me inside the room and hold me down to her. (creepy for a ~5 year old!)

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As I opened the door this is what happened:

The daughter of the parents was waiting, sitting Indian style on the bed waiting for me. She was surprised and she looked up, She was skinny and fragile looking. Her skin was white. She looked like a young teenager. She had a veil on the top of her head that was either white of pink.

But that is not what caught me off guard. I was expecting a regular girl who was creepy in her behavior. I did not fully recall why I considered her worth looking at again.

But when she looked up she had these large eyes of pure baby blue. Her hair was super red like etherian's avatar. It totally surprised me, as it probably did to my younger self during the original time of the dream, her appearance was not very human.

She looked right at me and her eyes were so striking. It was amazing and I kept wondering with my present mentality at the absurdity of her facial proportions.

She looked like a living anime character rather than a human being. But as I thought all this to myself in the dream. She started saying (like always has been the case) that she had been waiting for me. That she was waiting for her husband and I finally came.

:o Trust me, she may be pretty, in a sense, but she isn't what you would want to date. Very creepy. Her attitude was creepy and how the original set of events should have gone was also creepy.

I made sure not to allow her to grab me and backed away because of what I did recall her doing.

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What should have happened [if I hadn't skipped around]:

I would have gone to talk to the parents and the parents would have sat me down at the kitchen table and we would have said something strange to one another that I recall didn't make sense to me, but I don't recall why. All I know is that part of the conversation was understandable and part of it was missing context or I as the observer did not understand the context.

Then the parents would have led me out of the room and taken me to the daughters room at the rear of this house in the middle of a desert.

Then I would have seen the daughter. Then I would have approached the daughter at arms length and she would have said the same things. Except she would have first hugged me and held me to herself and I wouldn't have been able to leave. The parents would have closed the door behind them and (extremely fuzzy) I recall being powerless and not able to get her off me on the bed or of being held down on the bed.

[So you can see why I wasn't apt to walk up to her beyond the doorway.]

Then of going back out of the room and walking towards the front doors of the home.

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But what I actually did this time in the dream was to step away from the girl and since there was no parents there, no one was going to lock the door. I walked away after I satisfied (my honestly bewildered curiosity) and I walked towards the front. (again skipping through the sequences)

[The size of the girls eyes reminded me of that other dream that I posted about, of being in a UFO and being instructed by a woman with large eyes and a similar physique.]



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That's when the next chapter of the dream takes place. The rescue of some others kids like myself.

I rushed into it trying to remember what I was originally supposed to do. I only recalled having to fight with alot of little beings. But I didn't recall this part of the dream that well.

I noticed that now there was a bus outside with lots of little fur covered men going through the windows a bus and fighting with a bunch of boys. There must have been at least 15 furry men. And at least 10 boys.

I started running up to the commotion as it seemed the furry men were trying to pull the boys out of the bus. I paused for a second recalling that the fight was really tough. So I went in and started pulling off the furry men from the windows and landing a few more calculated punches.

As I did so, I looked at their faces and in my present mind I wondered why they look like ewoks or something. All you could see were eyes and a nose. Not like the star wars version at all.

I must have punched alot of them.

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But in the original sequence my fight was far less than effective.

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I noticed the bus was full of boys. There didn't seem to be any girls. I found that kind of strange. I began wondering if they also fell through to this strange reality?

The furry men stopped fighting the boys and the boys stopped fighting as well.

There is a hiccup in the dream as I don't know why...but we all stopped fighting and suddenly became friends as we all realized we were not each others enemies. ???

The boys left the bus and I dunno what happened next to them.

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The next sequence in the dream is of picking up a device that I called a "Polaroid". (as in a Polaroid camera) Yes folks, the dream was conceived before digital cameras. LOL

Whatever it was, it was black and small and looked like an old style plastic shape....like the old cameras used to take. I dunno why I called it a Polaroid other than it was important to take it and take picture of something or to take pictures of myself and the surroundings.

The thoughts echod in the dream from someone else telling me they had a limited supply of the picture taking devices. I dunno what the context was, either to document something or to take pictures of our faces? I dunno.

I think it was one of the furry people who said it.

Extremely fuzzy and seemingly non-nonsensical sequence.

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I was about to proceed towards the last two sequences of the dream. Where I meet a woman (older teenager to young twenties) and her male partner (about the same age if not slightly older).

The woman in particular I wanted to see again, because she brought so much comfort to me. Dunno why? But it was always "worth it" seeing her again in these dream repeats. She wore blue and some other light colors and had a sword or something. ???

The little I can recall of the events of the last sequence, it is of the woman and man finding me, and fighting with the little furry beings for some reason.

In my child like mind in the dream, I always assumed they were veterans of this strange reality. Though in reality, this place where the whole series of dream event takes place, looks the same as any regular desert.

I assume my child like mentality in the original sequence is derived from lots of erroneous assumptions about what is happening to me and around me. One second I am in the city, the next in the desert. (therefore alternate reality?)

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Anyway, the only reason why I brought it up on OMF is because it is one of my favorite dreams that I just happened to have last night. Too bad I couldn't finish it though.

I thought it had lots of strange elements of a UFO abduction though.

If I hadn't seen the red haired girl with her large blue eyes and of the house that sits in the middle of the desert with nothing around (a ufo to a five year old?) then I wouldn't have mentioned it.

This marks the second time though, that I have seen such a being depicted in my old dreams that has these large eyes.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by stal on 15 Jun, 2009, 2:52pm

very interesting fore. blonde girl dressed in blue with a sword kinda tracks with me a little bit.

the little furry dudes don't get mentioned very often, but I have heard of them before.

also, when I read this earlier it gave me an idea to try something. sort of worked out too. thanks for the inspiration. had one of those annoying VR type dreams ( you know the ones specifically designed to elicit an emotional response) and when I woke up & went back in (as per usual) instead of following the prescribed course, I went back and 're-watched' certain parts out of sequence. got a whole other story out of it. kinda like the sim tried to readjust itself to compensate for my shifted focus. the second time I woke up I felt very 'unhappy' and/or 'unsettled', which runs contrary to the last few days, which had been going unusualy well.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 15 Jun, 2009, 3:20pm

Sims get nuts when you level up.

@ Dove

In the question you asked, "Where do we come from?", Who is we?
-


When people ask me how the universe started or we get into a conversation about it. I reply, "Don't you think it's always existed?"

We have the concept of infinity so if the universe isn't infinite...the concept is what then?

I figure it's a worthless concept then.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 16 Jun, 2009, 6:49am


15 Jun, 2009, 2:52pm, stal wrote:
very interesting fore. blonde girl dressed in blue with a sword kinda tracks with me a little bit.

the little furry dudes don't get mentioned very often, but I have heard of them before.

also, when I read this earlier it gave me an idea to try something. sort of worked out too. thanks for the inspiration. had one of those annoying VR type dreams ( you know the ones specifically designed to elicit an emotional response) and when I woke up & went back in (as per usual) instead of following the prescribed course, I went back and 're-watched' certain parts out of sequence. got a whole other story out of it. kinda like the sim tried to readjust itself to compensate for my shifted focus. the second time I woke up I felt very 'unhappy' and/or 'unsettled', which runs contrary to the last few days, which had been going unusualy well.


Yeah, I rarely if ever pay any attention to my dreams as having any value.

I prefer to look at things that are far more objective. But now that I am looking at really old dreams from my childhood I do tend to see strange themes.

Furry men...strange stuff. It makes me wonder about that psycho babble that psychologists would use about our thoughts being present in the dream state.

Up till recently, I have never noticed any correlation at all with my dreams and waking reality. The only case when there was a need to pay attention was for these old rerun dreams from my childhood.

Or when the advisor is projecting thoughts into my mind while I slept, which is fairly easy to recognize.

But for the most part my dreams mean absolutely nothing. They used to be about being chased by dead people. Almost exclusively that or about seeing a large field of people standing there and having conversations with one another.

Nothing really that interesting.

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There are some dreams that are super important to me. They can be counted in the palm of a hand as they are unique.

What I am referring to are the "super old" reruns of dreams.

I have noticed over the years that they repeat with regularity. The one I described in my last post only occurs every 2 to 3 years. While others repeat every few months.

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But the ones that are of the most interest to me are the ones that rerun only once every ~10~ years. They are from the period before the advisor enacted the memory block. (Age 4 and prior)

The old dreams seem to have a special sensation to them. They feel unique as if someone left behind a message in me.

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One of them deals with sitting on the floor like a toddler in a school like setting. (except I didn't go to school by that time)

Of strangers walking up and down with lots of other little kids (boys and girls) on the floor all around. There is a feel of incredible important to the memory as if it has some unique significance to remember from it.

The rest of it is extremely fuzzy at the moment. But something like people discussing my records. Or I don't know what they are discussing. Most of what they say I don't recognize or did not understand when the dream was formed.

It is very important somehow, dunno why. It makes me feel very good to go through the dream once again every time it does happen.

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Another which is just as rare and happens at about 10 year intervals is of someone calling my attention. As if it were an examination. Someone is asking me pointed questions but I don't understand what is being said or asked.

The only thing I do know is that it is like a test of some kind. I have to answer it right somehow. But I also get in the dream that it is extremely important to remember what it was about.

The last time it occurred was when I was about 21 or 22 so it will be a few years before I see it again.

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In one of the dreams that happens with a frequency between every 7 to 10 years. The Guardian is there. She looks like a dark skinned child but in the dream she does not feel like a child at all.

In the dream this "child" (I always recognize it) is using a representation to be able to talk to me. The child avatar never ages nor gets older during the reruns, but I do.

It was some kind of morality test of some kind. I passed it correctly this last time. And she opened up this suitcase she suddenly had.

Inside there were lists of names of people whom she claims had taken care of me before. She lets me stare at it with an incredible fondness for a while, as if she wants me to remember and I feel it is extremely important to know of it.

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Those are pretty much the dreams that interest me. The rest are just run of the mill dreams.

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What is strange is that my memory recall seems to be segmented between a specific age when I made my contract to "help the advisor".

Everything before is missing unless I have a peculiar event occur that makes me recall something. Like the night I sensed the males psychic signature bare naked without their psychic mask as they tried to abduct me and I saw them face to face.

The peculiar pattern reminded me of having felt that psychic signature before. That these beings were the ones always coming for me late at night when I was very young and knocking me into an unconscious sleep. That psychic pattern was the one that made me feel suspended in a sleep state or unconscious state. And a tremendous overwhelming force making me completely unconscious.

The next thing I know, I am having just one dream and then I wake up in bed. Feeling as if I didn't sleep at all.

It would happen with a frequency of every other night for months on end.

But their signature was like a hole poked in a damn of forgotten memories. I know now why they hide their patterns carefully under their psychic simulacra of a human being.

Also remembering the advisors face somehow make me feel like somehow I have seen her before face to face. Every time i think about it....it makes me afraid as if something is going to spring a leak and make me remember everything.

It is like there is a secret the advisor or the males don't want me to know about the past.

In fact, now that I think about it, I should ask them to remove it.

But genuinely "they" seem afraid and hesitant to do it when I have pressed the issue before of wanting to remember.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 16 Jun, 2009, 6:57am

An indeterminate number of nights ago, I was laying in bed trying to get some sleep when I thought about sensing the males and whom was in charge. I was thinking to myself and malicious thoughts came to mind as I thought about strategies to get them to cooperate with me in displaying themselves.

I don't recall everything I thought of that night, as one particular nasty ET project a psychic "stare" and rebuffed my attempts at telepathy. Whatever I was thinking about that night, I do know it had to do with provoking them and thinking about how to do it.

I was thinking of how I should proceed to make others experience contact. Or how would it be possible to get them to do certain things for me. But I got the telepathic response of an ET staring back at me with the strong mental expression of generally "NO".

What it was saying "NO" to is a mystery....as I cannot really recall what was my train of thought. It seemed to wipe my immediate memory of what I was doing in those moments. (how do they do that from so far away?)

The only thing I do know was that the disciplining ET was not something I was familiar with. It is not something I recognize. Its mental projection made it look something like a grey. But it wasn't a grey.

It was something loosely related...I think. It was a stranger whatever it was. Not identifiable in my past experience. The one thing that stuck out was the the bottom of it's chin was moving like as if it had loose skin. Like how an old man has jowls that move when they jerk their head in a stern response.

Whatever it was also took away most of the thoughts I was thinking about. So I have really spotty recall.

I do remember thinking about 369 but not much else.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by tl on 16 Jun, 2009, 1:11pm

can you say anything more about "phase 2 you mentioned in your other thread?
"
many thanks.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by p3ac3k33p3r on 17 Jun, 2009, 6:31am

1961
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Jun, 2009, 9:10am


16 Jun, 2009, 1:11pm, tl wrote:
can you say anything more about "phase 2 you mentioned in your other thread?
"
many thanks.
I am already working on it.

Sorry been a busy but productive day.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by daisiray on 17 Jun, 2009, 2:31pm

Fore, do you have a fixation on numbers that are divisible by the number 3??
I have a friend that is very agnostic about most everything (God, aliens ect) however, many of his stories of dreams and experiences make me think he has had many encounters - he has an obsession with numbers that are divisible by 3 - Many other things that make me question his experiences... but when you mentioned in that all you recall was 369 - it made me think of it.
Just curious.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Jun, 2009, 4:59pm


17 Jun, 2009, 2:31pm, daisiray wrote:
Fore, do you have a fixation on numbers that are divisible by the number 3??


I did.

That's why I avoid some of 369's questions.

I have noticed over the years that some people obsess over certain things in the contactee/abductee phenomena.

Sometimes it is a number sequence.

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My favorite number when I was really small (about 5 years old) was the number 5. It was because there were 5 people in total in my family. <<< I am still laughing at some of my old childish sentiments from that time. ;)

But it eventually changed to 3 and 6 and 9.

It's something that originates with the advisor and not with me. I am kind of weird-ed out by it, so I tend not to talk about it for fairly good reasons.

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As I grew up she taught me a numerical sequence that seemed to be primarily religious in nature but had tons of secondary meanings. Some of the numerical sequences seem to be related and found universally within many of the old world religions and to the conception of life itself. Inherently, it teaches that life is cyclical and predictable.

When asked what the numbers ultimately mean, she summed it up into two words "Waveguide physics". Whatever that means exactly ???

According to her it is (if I translate her mental expressions back to english) to do with the way our particular version of reality works.

The numerical sequence is like a rhyme in that as it unfolds there is a great number of significance in different subjects. Anything from predicting outcomes in situations, to understanding religious concepts of the advisor that map out their particular belief system, to....alot of things.

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That is why I figure it is like an alien nursery rhyme of numbers. It has alot of connotations attached to it like a universal swiss army knife concept. As she reads back out the numbers, the numbers represent lots of things including how their religious hierarchy of concepts work.


It's really complicated to explain as one thing I noticed about this particular nursery ryhme....it is like a ton of folded complexity and utility.

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It is like one of us going to another world and sharing the bible story that has alot of meaning stored in a small medium sized book.

Except the rhyme of numbers, from her, is like a "child's version" which she shared with me. A nursery rhyme they probably use to teach their children some of the basic concepts. But that also tells a grander story.

It is one of the few topics that I don't talk about because she absolutely and unequivocally forbid it's sharing. No exceptions. So it is a forbidden topic that to this day has stuck. I haven't really talked about it and intend to honor her old request in not sharing anything about it

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I later found themes and symbols that she shared with me in world religions.

The same numerical representations in some cases and the same "sacred symbols". I also noticed that "sacred geometry" holds a bit of the numerical sequence.

Surprisingly, it appears that some ET's have probably influenced our religions quite a bit. As some of our beliefs seemed to have come from them.

An uncomfortable realization on my part.



17 Jun, 2009, 2:31pm, daisiray wrote:
I have a friend that is very agnostic about most everything (God, aliens ect) however, many of his stories of dreams and experiences make me think he has had many encounters - he has an obsession with numbers that are divisible by 3 - Many other things that make me question his experiences... but when you mentioned in that all you recall was 369 - it made me think of it.
Just curious.


I recall much more than 369, it is actually a different starting sequence, but again, I am not supposed to talk about it.

The advisor seemed to believe that the number sequence is related intimately with how our particular universe sprang into existence. If you heard her talk, she would say it in a far more technical way than I can really eloquently paint it myself.

The number in and of themselves represent a ton of things depending on how you apply it. The folks like the advisor are mentally "heavy" so it's not surprising their version of a nursery rhyme is incredibly complex.

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Another thing I wanted to share with you that is a suspicion of mine after observing other experiencers for a good long while over the last 10 to 12 years.

I suspect the ET use symbols and numbers to also "mark" their contacts.

A sort of mental graffiti.

So they can, as my theory goes, figure out whom belongs to whom by their choices of symbolism and numerals found in the mind of a human being. I suspect they do it so that another ET scanning someones mind would notice the "tags" and understand what group has interacted with that person.

That is my current guess.But I don't have a wide enough base of experience to figure out whether this is true or not.

I suspect it is, as the numerical and symbology used in different cases seems to relate to a different host or group of hosts.

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The symbols and numericals probably relate to which ET type is involved.

The world according to the advisor has always been divided into territories.

So it stands to reason that different tags would apply to different regions. The buddhist and asians believe in 8.

The Christians in the middle east is primarily 7 and 3 and the Star of David (two opposing triangles). The prophecy of the devils numerical marker is "666" and a few other symbols.

Etc etc.

It's just graffiti from "above". Like a cow branded or marked by it's property owner.

Disturbing isn't it?
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by montalk on 17 Jun, 2009, 5:36pm


17 Jun, 2009, 4:59pm, fore wrote:

I suspect the ET use symbols and numbers to also "mark" their contacts.

A sort of mental graffiti.


That's a great point. I have suspected that number synchronicities that follow one around might be some kind of 'timeline graffiti' where forces that can bend/edit linear time somehow leave their signature behind. They may be forces outside time completely, or just time travelers. The number synchs can be freaky.

Both that and your idea of the mental graffiti could be two sides of the same coin. Maybe there are both 'people markers' and 'timeline markers', a bit like a co-authored document (our history and timeline) having editing marks like who edited what, and which novel character is being developed by which author. By that logic there ought to be 'place markers' too, like number symbolisms in sacred sites (since those sites were dedicated to worship of certain 'deities').

Yeah, disturbing is the right word.

[EDIT: Holy smokes, look at my post count!! It's 369. I did that unintentionally.]

[EDIT 2: Thanks for the karma point, Jake. Your post was at 1:11. And I just scrolled up to see how many posts Fore had: 6,390]
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by jakereason on 17 Jun, 2009, 7:11pm


17 Jun, 2009, 5:36pm, montalk wrote:

[EDIT: Holy smokes, look at my post count!! It's 369. I did that unintentionally.]


Just to make it even better, I gave you another karma so that it would be '60'. ;D


BTW fore asked for a comment about numbers in another thread. I believe they are linked to energies. Both in the physical & spiritual realms. And they mirror one another.

Any comments on this?



Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 17 Jun, 2009, 11:07pm

1+9 = 10, 1+0=1
2+9 = 11, 1+1= 2

mirror
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 18 Jun, 2009, 12:45am


17 Jun, 2009, 5:36pm, montalk wrote:
[quote author=fore board=research thread=1953 post=188242 time=1245250772]




Yeah, disturbing is the right word.

[EDIT: Holy smokes, look at my post count!! It's 369. I did that unintentionally.]

[EDIT 2: Thanks for the karma point, Jake. Your post was at 1:11. And I just scrolled up to see how many posts Fore had: 6,390]


What?! This is too weird :D



Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by arkwright on 18 Jun, 2009, 12:57am

Good synchronities here :)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 18 Jun, 2009, 6:50pm


17 Jun, 2009, 5:36pm, montalk wrote:
[quote author=fore board=research thread=1953 post=188242 time=1245250772]


[EDIT: Holy smokes, look at my post count!! It's 369. I did that unintentionally.]

[EDIT 2: Thanks for the karma point, Jake. Your post was at 1:11. And I just scrolled up to see how many posts Fore had: 6,390]


For you it displays 1:11.
but I see 5:11 (7 which usual comes with learning)
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 19 Jun, 2009, 2:25am


19 Jun, 2009, 12:24am, dove wrote:
Your ears must have been ringing, Fore. :)
Nope ;)


19 Jun, 2009, 12:24am, dove wrote:
I was actually going to post a link to the interview about the Gateshead encounter on your own thread because I didn't know if you had seen the vidoes yet, but you've saved me the effort. ;)
Your welcome.


19 Jun, 2009, 12:24am, dove wrote:
Do those beings sound like the ones that have contact with you?
I dunno about the 2 foot greys or the "brown" greys. The insect creature depicted looks pretty much like she described one of them. That image shows a pretty good depiction. The advisor in one conversation had told me that people tend to compare them to an insect but as her description showed at the time, they really have alot of differences anatomically speaking.

The males that I talk to seem to be the ~4 footer~ variety.

The advisor is a nodic like entity. But she refused to generally answer any questions about her identity. Nor would she willingly show me herself.

There appears to be a wide group sentiment in the back of their minds when I bring up the issues of seeing them.

They appear to experience great hesitation and it doesn't originate with me. It is as if they are afraid or unwilling. Not even under duress or threats will they comply. They generally give me the silent treatment and ignore me.

Especially the advisor. There appears to be some kind of great hesitation among them that they don't seem to want to express nor reveal. The advisor is the most silent of them all and while she did show me some things about herself....there is some group secret or something.

I got to see the males in person by mistake, and some team leader I don't know. But have not gotten to see the males supervisors or the advisors supervisor up front and personal.

The supervisors generally give me the impression that they seem to think it is unimportant issue. While the males react in much the same way as the advisor in giving me dead silence and general mental expressions of hesitation.

I never know the reason for why that is, and the advisor never seemed willing to talk about it very much.

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My only recourse is to throw a tantrum, make a scene, and weave intrigue with other people who know about them. (half-kidding)

Ultimately, it was one of the main reasons (and she knows/knew that) for me to stop cooperating with them. Whatever secret they covet, it is important enough even at the expense of our relationship.

I had a "need to know" and they have always refused. (peppering excuses here and there)

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Which bewilders me to no end. It makes not a lick of sense.

I made an agreement with them last year to stop talking about specific times and dates of their coming and going.

As part of the agreement I wanted to see a UFO with my eyeballs. I never got to see the one my sister got to see that was meant for me. At the time I was about 6, when I was directed telepathically to go outside in a hurry. I was told by the advisor on that evening to look up and stare at a certain portion of the sky.

But she told me that while I was still inside walking towards the front door with skepticism in my heart ::) :'(. She urged me to speed up my walk to see it in time giving me mentally the angle to look up at when I got there.

My sister was looking up outside about 15 or 20 feet ahead of me in front of the doorway and saw it for a few seconds. To this day she claimed she saw images in the sky like a movie thearter and people in a "bathtub" looking down crossing the sky.

When I looked up about a minute to 30 second later I missed it. She was 5 and I was 6. (or thereabouts)

To this day I lamented having not picked up my pace at her urging. I recall her telepathically pointing her thoughts to several beings in the distance and I remember her talking with someone(s).

I begged her to do a repeat but after like 5 minutes she said "they" (whatever other ET group it was) was not going to do a second fly by.)

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Till this day I held a grudge and disappointment about that event.

Over the years the advisor has promised to show me "her place" (as she calls their ET craft).

Most of the time it was parked nearby floating somewhere above. Sometimes moving positions from here to there and whatever. With the males going back and forth doing their stupid little observations etc etc etc.

Ah God, I am a "bitter" person. Either that or I just don't have a patience of a saint to deal with these ET's.

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Later on, the advisor promised to show me "her place" where she slept every now and then.

I recall when I was in my twenties or late teens, that I was bad mouthing her openly in my household (to my brother) and criticizing her, while everyone was asleep knowing full well that she was listening.

That;s when a low humming sound steadily appeared and got louder and filled the whole house. At first I thought it must have been her but then my skeptical side kicked in and I thought it was the refrigerator.

When we both listened we moved to different part of the house and noticed that it was strongest at the porch. In the middle of the night we stepped outside at 4 am wondering if the neighbors would notice us looking like fools looking around.

My brother and I walked up and down the street in different directions when we both figured that we would figure out which direction the sound was coming from. It was like a low decibel, high pitch, pulsing whirring hum like an electrical generator.

We found out it seemed to be coming from above us as the sound seemed to be right over head.

In the end, we gave up since we couldn't see anything even after a while of waiting and listening to the whirring sound. We went inside and started joking about not seeing anything in this nervous way. I told my brother well, it's not a ufo, but it is something really strange. A short while later it went away as it had come.

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It wasn't until I had to cut a deal with my group and a bunch of strangers acting on behalf of my group, last year, that I was able to get a concession out of them to see a UFO.

Even then, I saw it in the sky whizzing directly over the house so quickly and silently. It was like I saw a small part of something larger like how Kerry from Project Camelot saw hers. Then my skepticism kicked in and I was about to say it didn't happen until the object did the exact same thing in the exact reverse direction.

Boy then I knew I had seen a UFO. Though it would have been nice to have seen something with more pizazz. ::) << As the advisor used to say, I am never satisfied << ;D

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What really gets me angry in a way, is that they would show me a UFO spacecraft. But they won't show me themselves plainly!

That's patently absurd! Why the heck should I have to cajole them so much or have to act out so bloody much to get such a tiny concession??

So they would show me a hunk of metal in the sky, but not themselves? What are they so afraid of? It's not like anyone would ever believe me in either case.

There would be no way to "prove" that any of it ever happened anyway.

Sometimes ET's.....are thee most illogical beings alive. Dare I say it, I could probably run their group better than they could.

Such nonsense....


19 Jun, 2009, 12:24am, dove wrote:
Would you classify the advisor as a Nordic-type ET that looks like a human but doesn't 'feel' like a human?
Yes. She appears to be a woman of about 27 years old from what little info I do have.

But inside, she is not a human being. To say it is a Night and Day difference, would not do it justice.

Whatever she is, she is like a woman in many senses of the word. But her intelligence, level of thoughts, expressions and feelings are exospheric to say the least.

Stratospheric would be too low to describe that woman.

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When comparing her and a regular person, it really does make me wonder....is a regular person even "alive" compared to "that"??

I also find it tough to believe you could fit that much intelligence into the size of a human head. I find it really tough to believe. Which tweaks my paranoia some.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 19 Jun, 2009, 6:04am

Okay, I haven't read your entire thread, so forgive me if you've already discussed this, but if the advisor never showed herself to you then the only way you know anything about her appearance is from what she's told you. Is this correct? Or is it that you've seen her, but not her supervisors?

If you've never actually seen her then she could look totally different from her description, right? You would only have her word to go on.

That brings me to the question I was going to ask on the other thread. If these nordic-type beings are 'shapeshifting' or altering our perception of them, then what are their original body types? Who are they?

Do they even have a body where they are from? If they are multi-dimensional, perhaps they have to come up with a physical form in order to be seen here?

Again, I'm sorry if you've already mentioned these things here before. If so, just direct me to the general date of when you would have posted it, and I'll find it. I probably ought to start at the beginning. I tried once or twice when I first came here but there was always something preventing me from reading. I think perhaps I was not ready for it.

~~~

I'm in the process of listening to an abduction story which I'll post in the alien abduction phenomenon thread tonight or tomorrow. The man describes being on a ship which contained entities from several different races (maybe it's a ship that they all just work on together--not necessarily that they live there). This included humanoids, reptilians, grey-type beings, insectoids, and a couple other species.

He says the humanoids are so close to each other in appearance that you can hardly distinguish them from one another, as if they were made from the same genetic material like a cookie-cutter body almost, or they were made in a lab or something. The differences were in eye-color and height mostly. He didn't say much else about them (at least not as far as I've gotten in the interview).

These beings were on the same ship as his 'friends', Tan and Nella, who sound like they might be greys but I don't think they're the bioengineered ones--the 'four footers' as you say. At least not judging by the illustration with the interview. The eyes are large but they are not black. They look like our eyes, only larger.

{The new guy, known1entity, who's posted only in the encounters main discussion thread so far, calls the cloned greys pizza delivery guys. ;D}

That makes me wonder if the black eyes reported to be on the greys are actually a type of covering like built-in sunglasses. I've heard around here the suggestion that they are wearing some kind of eye protection and that the eyes seem to glow sometimes, also. Like some kind of night vision goggles, maybe?

But of course, it could be that his contacts, the Biaviians, are not the typical greys and wouldn't be the ones reported on so much in abduction literature. The rest of the description matches the grey sterotype very closely, though, so I'm not sure what to think. I'm only on part 3 of the interview at the moment; perhaps I'll learn more about their appearance later on in the series of videos.

~~~


19 Jun, 2009, 2:25am, fore wrote:
When comparing her and a regular person, it really does make me wonder....is a regular person even "alive" compared to "that"??


lol ;D

Seriously? :P :-/

This makes me wonder, yet again, why it is that we humans are only using a small percentage of our brain and/or mind? I really think that we were genetically downgraded, and that the 'junk' DNA is the stuff we need to have in proper working order so that we are equal to them in intelligence.

Why else would we have all this dormant DNA laying around? Did our creator make us this way? Is this part of some plan to evolve us gradually? Was that a deliberate part of the human design? I really don't think that's it.

More likely, we were 'demoted'--regardless of what John Lear says. ::) If we were designed this way, then why? What reason would the creator have to give us those DNA molecules in such a way that they are rendered useless? Are we part of a game? Is this just entertainment for them/it/he/she? Is it part of a cosmic unfolding of spiritual evolution?

That doesn't sound right to me, so I'm going to go with the genetically altered story until such time when I can find (at least circumstantial) evidence to the contrary. Well, the part about this place being a game board, and us being the game pieces sounds plausible... :-/


Quote:
I also find it tough to believe you could fit that much intelligence into the size of a human head. I find it really tough to believe. Which tweaks my paranoia some.


You think it tweaks *your* paranoia? Ha! You don't know what it does to mine... :P

The reason I say that is because if you've never seen her and she is *that* intelligent, then I can only venture a guess as to which species she is part of. Keep in mind that reptilians are supposed to be extremely intelligent beings.

I was going to say that it would be near impossible for her to be a reptilian since they are supposedly androgenous, but if they can alter our perception or change their appearance then obviously they could make themselves look like anything, including a woman. Maybe they would make us see whoever it is that they think we would find pleasing to the eye or senses.

Of course, I'm not saying that she is reptilian. I obviously wouldn't know. I'm just speculating since you've talked about their general reluctance to show themselves to you. If they *were* reptilian in nature (the advisor and/or her supervisors), then it makes sense that they wouldn't want you to see them. You would probably be able to recognize their true forms since you are psychic. Either they don't want to freak you out, or they are afraid that pieces of the puzzle would fit into place for you and others here on the forum.


{edited for spelling error}

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 19 Jun, 2009, 6:07am


19 Jun, 2009, 2:25am, fore wrote:
Sometimes ET's.....are thee most illogical beings alive. Dare I say it, I could probably run their group better than they could.

Such nonsense....


LOL ;D
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 19 Jun, 2009, 6:37am

@Fore
Dude let me sum up your last post.

"Need to see ufo, need to see ufo, saw ufo, need to see an alien, cuz the time I did was an accident and they didn't do it on purpose so that means they don't care! and it doesn't count!"

What do you think they owe you anyways?
Why do you think they owe you?

You want to see them?
I've seen one that I've grown to love, but I don't know love or respect.

I feel I have taken it for granted. The encounter I mean. But one thing I could say is I think I needed it.

Do you think you need an encounter?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 19 Jun, 2009, 6:59am

Now that you put it that way 369, it kind of strikes me as a kid who wants to see his parents.
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 19 Jun, 2009, 7:14am

I agree with Q (if I'm understanding his statement properly). Why wouldn't Fore want to see these beings? After all, they've been active in his life since he was a small child. They have literally been like his parents throughout the years--guiding and instructing him in various ways.

I would want to have a conscious encounter with them if it was me in his place. It only seems fair that he should have that considering everything he's gone through with them.

~~~

Btw, Fore, I posted the Riley Martin interview I was telling you about in my last reply.

~~~

{edited for clarity}


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 19 Jun, 2009, 7:50am


19 Jun, 2009, 7:14am, dove wrote:
I agree with Q (if I'm understanding his statement properly). Why wouldn't Fore want to see these beings? After all, they've been active in his life since he was a small child. They have literally been like his parents throughout the years--guiding and instructing him in various ways.

I would want to have a conscious encounter with them if it was me in his place. It only seems fair that he should have that considering everything he's gone through with them.

~~~

Btw, Fore, I posted the Riley Martin interview I was telling you about in my last reply.

~~~

{edited for clarity}



but thats all up to them
Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 19 Jun, 2009, 8:49am


19 Jun, 2009, 7:50am, 369 wrote:

19 Jun, 2009, 7:14am, dove wrote:
I agree with Q (if I'm understanding his statement properly). Why wouldn't Fore want to see these beings? After all, they've been active in his life since he was a small child. They have literally been like his parents throughout the years--guiding and instructing him in various ways.

I would want to have a conscious encounter with them if it was me in his place. It only seems fair that he should have that considering everything he's gone through with them.

~~~

Btw, Fore, I posted the Riley Martin interview I was telling you about in my last reply.

~~~

{edited for clarity}



but thats all up to them


Right.

Well, that's convenient, isn't it? ::)


Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 19 Jun, 2009, 10:30am


19 Jun, 2009, 6:04am, dove wrote:
Okay, I haven't read your entire thread, so forgive me if you've already discussed this, but if the advisor never showed herself to you then the only way you know anything about her appearance is from what she's told you. Is this correct? Or is it that you've seen her, but not her supervisors?
No, not exactly correct.

I have seen bits and pieces of her in different periods of time and in different ways that corroborates her figure. Some of them accidents and some of them intentional to "appease" my interest in her.

We had a pretty close relationship.

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In the first few posts of this thread, I describe the memories she brought back (at about late teens or age 20~) of the day I was born and of seeing her looking over me for the first time while speaking to someone else in her search.

In that recalled memory, I saw her body,clothes, hair, but minus her blurry face and heard her mental telepathic voice.

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Then I had sporadic memories of propping myself against a couch. These memories were from trying to walk a short distance and feeling very heavy and unsteady. In these unassisted recollection of memories, I recall her giving my baby like mind instructions to learn how to keep my balance and what to do next.

Other unassisted sporadic memories are of laying on a table flat and having a diaper change and looking straight up as a blond woman looks down on me right next to the face of my mother. She was giving me instructions to my baby like mind not to roll over as I was antsy.

(You could say, the advisor was there at every step of the way)

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I recall her voice in my head clearly as I played with my toy cars on the floor. I remember her standing right there next to me like an invisible (but perceivable) intensity standing right next to me and talking about lots of things. Her tallness was about adult sized and her voice never changed.

I also recall the others in the room who scared me pretty bad.

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I recall being jealous of my younger sister and pushing her off the bed as she was sleeping and the advisor scolding me as I was doing it.

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I recall of waking up as a teenager and hearing her