My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadian and oddities) - Part 4

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 6 Jan, 2010, 2:08am

28 Dec, 2009, 11:50pm, dove wrote:

So. Back to the festivities.

25 Dec, 2009, 2:55am, fore wrote:

I just received a clear warning from the advisor herself. A "heads up" to cool it.

I guess if I read into the tone of the message, I am in hot water already.

How's this going for you now, Fore?

I am stuck.

The first Q&A with pontif went well. The second did not and I haven't even been able to answer montalks the full way through.

The noted problems are these.

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The original intention was to track down which topics were being avoided subconciously. Or which questions created a reaction which would indicate something is hidden.

The first one went well.

The second was montalks and it was stopped in it's tracks by virtue of one significant change.

The change being that I was suddenly no longer having any subconscious reactions. The ET who was monitoring stopped advising me to not do certain things.

So basically what I was depending on as a form of a gauge as to what is "off limits" suddenly disappeared. There were no more indications. I tried several times but I got nothing.

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My best guess is that they *changed something* so that I couldn't conduct my own sort of self probing.

Around that time, I sensed the appearance once again of that entity I saw for a few nights about 7 or 8 years ago. A grey that I remembered as the abduction team leader. (huge mellon head and taller than the small males. 5ft~)

It showed up and left and didn't hang around much. Which I am glad about.

A while later, I tried again and again to get myself to look at the list of questions and only one thing happens.

Subconscious Disinterest. Lacking any desire to proceed with the experiments.

Feeling like it is too much trouble?

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So then I got down to thinking:

Hey, so if they turned it off then I might as well answer every single question. Without the ?mental inhibitor? I can pretty much answer anything I want!

Then I heard the advisor speak in and around that point in time (out of the blue) and tell me I was already in trouble and to cool it.

I don't know why, but I did exactly as she told me to.

I suddenly lost interest in talking to Pontif even though I got his messages. I did still talk with montalk and even shared some more that I shouldn't of.

But I went silent with Pontif in a form of similar disinterest.

Not because I want to, but because I seem to be unable to rise to the occasion even though I am aware of the implications of the situation.

So here I am, confirming for sure that somehow they are able to control my level of interest or inhibit my interest.

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After the advisor let me know I needed to cool it because I was in trouble. I got the impression (Read: gut feeling) out of nowhere that perhaps I was going to get my wings clipped. I dunno why, maybe a bout of paranoia on my part? My ordinary non-psychic based intuition told me this was likely the case.

I was then suddenly assured that this wasn't the case by some entity I know of only as a distant voice. I have heard it before somewhere in the past. A woman and a man.

I was reassured that I shouldn't think that. To discard the idea as it was a part of my imagination. Then nothing else. Apparently someone did not want me to think that way about the situation.

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Starting two days ago, I started feeling some psychic abnormalities in my external and internal field. I was suddenly feeling strong chest pains as if the pressure in my chest had suddenly risen.

My fields were also doing strange things like momentarily intensifying and then going back to their normal state.

Last night, while laying in bed, I felt one of the two telepathic voices that days earlier had told me not to think certain thoughts about the situation. This time it was the woman. But not the advisor. It didn't identify itself.

It said in a very natural mental voice....to relax myself that it wasn't going to do anything to me. I noticed that I could not place where it was in the room except in a general direction at the foot of the bed.

I noticed when I tried to mentally scan it that I couldn't effectively do so. It appeared that my abilities were too low or in disrepair. But I felt her out enough to be able to determine she is not someone I can identify.

Her consciousness is not the advisors and it wasn't like a normal nordic type like the advisor. It was something different in nature.

I don't recall everything.

I recall asking if she was some sort of replacement for the advisor? I recall she said not to think that, she wasn't. I was worried she was going to do something to me after I fell asleep.

The last thing I do recall is being told is to sleep "with confidence".

28 Dec, 2009, 11:50pm, dove wrote:

Have you determined whether you were in hot water or not?

It's hard to tell. But if the advisor asked me to cool it then I guess I was.

28 Dec, 2009, 11:50pm, dove wrote:

Do you clearly know why you would be?

Yes, for sharing sensitive information and giving people structured lectures about what to look out for.

I do know this, they don't want people in general to figure some things out.

The most sensitive topics I tend to share are those which give people extra perspectives that I have been taught to see. Teaching people what various situations really mean and why they are played out (according to the advisor or by reasoning and speculation based on what she did teach).

Thing is, I know many in my group and it's associated management have fears (more like concern) about me talking in a way that gives people any ideas over what they are dealing with.

With the exception of the advisor, there seems to be a general sentiment that the way she taught me is going to lead to many problems with other experiencers.

I think there might be two spheres of opposing influence in my group as the advisor depicted a very long time ago. There might be a real reason why I don't get squished immediately when I talk about many subjects.

I think, like montalk, that there may be more than one agenda being played in plain sight. Otherwise I would never have even have made it out of the front gate with my first post.

I can tell you this. There is a clear fear that I might be able to replicate a part of my understandings unto other people. (In ET speak)

Some ETs in my group and on the periphery think dysfunctional situations are good. I clearly think otherwise, with the advisor seemingly playing the apologetic role to

I suppose stymie the flood of sentiments against me.

Maybe she is a snake charmer in a previous life? I dunno.

All I do know is, I don't share their views and like causing problematic situations for the ones who think it is okay to fool around with people and to keep them blind to so many things.

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There is something which the advisor taught me in one of her lessons where you do what I'll nickname in English as "structured intervention".

Basically: It is where you try to pass along key knowledge and bits of info that is key to developing a situation. (in ET speak translated into English) It is basically moving a flowing river by making minor changes to the river bed.

In her explanation it is a "stream of probabilities" that you want to change. You have to target what is needed and then establish specific changes in an intelligent and coordinated way.

The original situation changes dramatically given key points of information are changed or disturbed. Changes take place in key events and people use the new information to make better choices.

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In terms of this thread and forum it means this:

Point: Sharing my views as developed by the advisor to me.

Counter-Point: This makes some ET's in my group, it's direct management, and those on the periphery upset that I share it. (It is like an internal memo leaked or a manual on how to understand some ET based operations)

Point: People absorb the views and then I teach and encourage them to use logic, reasoning, and discernment. Also on how to clearly assess situations and what to look out for in terms of signs of being embroiled in a complicated situation.

Counter-Point: Various members of my group pressure me into silence. The advisor springs into action to dissuade me from pushing the envelope too hard.

Point: Knowledge spreads and people begin to assess situations with common logic and begin to question the situations and the sources whom spread ample amounts of disinformation. They and others like them realize at some point that they are entombed alive in it.

Counter-Point: My ET group and other foreign ET groups apply pressure on the key people, threaten and send representatives who negotiate or inspire fear and silence.

Counter Point: A game of discrediting and monitoring takes place in a wide variety of people to contain the situation. To avert the flow of altered information among various individuals from forming into anything substantial and to prevent and stem the "new kinds" of arguments from being voiced. Including the arsing of questions.

Counter-Point: Various ET entity (Foreign or not) approach and warn me to discontinue. Pressing/Advising that if necessary they will pass me on to an ET agency which will take care of me. (Overt threats.)

Counter-Point: Various ET address me and tell me they will discredit me if I insist on various things. They give me warning and overtures to become complacent. That by speaking out, I am assure that that many will come not to believe in anything I have to say. They ask me to keep quite and leave.

Counter-Point: They bring in the advisor and ask her to talk with me. The advisor gets annoyed at me for insisting to speak out. She seems unhappy and pressured to get things done by those around her. Often they send other representatives alongside her or in place of her. Male entities who speak politely and fluently who stay nearby for days reading my mind. Then approaching and addressing the issues I have and in a cool voice telling you a bunch of facts about how I may harm many people by speaking out. Posing situations with a cool demeanor and stating how I would not desire certain outcomes.

Point: I turn around and use the boundaries they stride against them. Telling people exactly how they monitor and what the side effects are and how they are normally implemented with lots of details. People begin to realize that not all is as it seems.

Point: I force situations where I know they must act out and intervene. I use them as a type of method to get them to accidentally step into the limelight if even for just a moment.

Point: I tell people about some of the background attention they can't observe.

Counter-Point: Some fear the situation and consider it all bad in a simplistic sense.

28 Dec, 2009, 11:50pm, dove wrote:

Have you been asking too many questions, or did it feel like you were being told that you were stepping on someone's toes?

I think that is obvious with the above statements.

28 Dec, 2009, 11:50pm, dove wrote:

Or is it regarding the Q & A session that you set up with Ponti and Tom? Is this being looked down upon by your advisor?

No, not by her.

But those who keep a vigil. In the next post I'll tell you more about exactly what I have found out so far.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 6 Jan, 2010, 2:29pm

Lets say all the sensitive info you knew someone figured out on there own.

Is this person subjected to the same restriction? no because they treat the sensitive info as property they shared with you. and you sharing is like ets sharing and accelerating human evolution. compared to a human sharing.

They criticise the advisors teaching but without it they could not restrict you either not because u wouldnt have sensitive info but because the advisor taught u

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 6 Jan, 2010, 11:39pm

*que spooky music* ~Aliens run around frantically~ Oh no, Pontificator has put up another post, quick, to the time-mobile, we have to put in another pile of filters to stop the permutations through our timeline.
*spooky music ends and Pontificator stops musing a moment*

I am very surprised it took this long for them to really get into the swing of things. The disinterest mechanism is rather powerful [I know, because I experienced it when I was thinking of taking a photographic record of certain marks on my thigh in 'that' incident].

So, I am typing that and then there is a pressure increase on the top right of the crown of my head. I'll say this, they seem to be very much on the ball, but only by 15 minutes [ or as long as it will take to finish this post, send it, and for them to "refresh" the page and look back ].

One oddity about such filters, though, is that they can be circumnavigated, mainly by applying a small logic string.

Fore, what happens is you think to yourself "I must not reply to this message" but begin typing anyway - in turn treating it as though it were your job.

Most filters are applied to not perform an action when you want to do it, but they are not exactly designed to handle the idea of the individual wanting to do something, then desperately trying not to while relying on the filter to apply reverse logic to the intent.

In other words, you do not want to do something, the filter applies its logic anyway, suddenly you do what you do not want to do [ the uninteresting becomes interesting ].

Its worth a try, and I'll be interested in the results. The idea of answering the questions without any restrictions was placed in a conversation I had with you, it was one of those "I hadn't thought of it that way" moments, and I can imagine it caused your group to throw a Barney as it were...

Two things that have arisen because of this:

Aliens being frightened of humans... well that ranked a three out of ten, but I think to be more accurate that they are frightened [ in the intellectual sense ] of certain individuals.

If there is a group monitoring me, they do not seem to be co-operating in any way with your group [ Not the advisor, the others in this case ]. The implications of that are highly interesting...

Alternatively, we can postulate the following: Project Fore is causing problems in project Pontificator, and must be stopped.

Who is being protected from whom, who is the greatest threat to alien peace of mind?

Would pontificator gaining access to abilities and information constitute that great a threat, or is it a case of Pontificator is dangerous because he unlocks Fore's thinking process too much?

That could indeed be the case in regards to unlocking Fore's viewpoint on certain subjects, and I have been pointing out certain logical oddities concerning the Advisor's contractual and pre-life stories.

Now, back to lurking and reading with interest.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 6 Jan, 2010, 11:50pm

LOL

Ooh, ooh...I wanna see the questions you asked, Ponti!

They must be very interesting and thought-provoking.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 7 Jan, 2010, 12:00am

Certain ones caused moments of absolute horror for the being monitoring Fore at the time...

Do you want to know what I postulated about the higher mind, the interconnect and certain actions being performed on the psychic body?

Hint, its the type that causes a being [ one of "the others"] to almost psychically scream "NOOOOO!"...

Now, of course, with Fore not being able to reply... I have the equivalent of a wreaking Ball available until they take Fore's filter off Bwhahaha...

However, I'd better give them time to do that

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 7 Jan, 2010, 12:02am

6 Jan, 2010, 2:08am, fore wrote:

28 Dec, 2009, 11:50pm, dove wrote:

So. Back to the festivities.

How's this going for you now, Fore?

I am stuck.

I could tell.

It only took you a week to respond.

Actually, I was about to post again to tease you and say that I really could never be your muse since you won't/can't answer many of my questions.

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So here I am, confirming for sure that somehow they are able to control my level of interest or inhibit my interest.

You think?

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But those who keep a vigil. In the next post I'll tell you more about exactly what I have found out so far.

That should only take about a week.

j/k..

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Geesh, Ponti. You so luck out when it only takes 15 minutes for someone to catch on. Only takes about 5 for me. ::)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by newyorklily on 7 Jan, 2010, 1:16am

6 Jan, 2010, 2:08am, fore wrote:

28 Dec, 2009, 11:50pm, dove wrote:

So. Back to the festivities.

How's this going for you now, Fore?

I had this in my mid to late teens after I had remembered a third and very painful abduction by Greys. Even though I had been extremely interested in the UFO phenomena-and read many books on the topic-I could no longer read any of them. I didn't have any conscious fear of UFOs and ETs, I just had completely lost interest in the subject. I knew something was wrong because I wanted to read about UFOs and abductions. I had even taken out The Andreasson Affair from the library but I could not read it. All I could do was open the cover.

About seven years later I had enough of it. Whitley Streiber's Communion came out and I was determined to read it. And I did through very severe headaches and nightmares (three of which were directly related to the three abductions). After that I was able to read UFO and abduction books again but the feeling that I was "doing something wrong" would come and go at different times. Sometimes it would be a lack of interest, other times I would feel as if there would be repercussions for my actions (i.e. if I collected some evidence, I was "dead meat"). There were also times when I wasn't sure if the Greys had planted this fear in me or if it was my own fears as the result of unconscious memories.

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I think there might be two spheres of opposing influence in my group as the advisor depicted a very long time ago. There might be a real reason why I don't get squished immediately when I talk about many subjects.

I think, like montalk, that there may be more than one agenda being played in plain sight. Otherwise I would never have even have made it out of the front gate with my first post.

While I have always felt that the Greys wanted me not to speak about my abductions, I feel that my Reptilian abductors want me to remember what has happened even though they know that I will talk about it. When I stopped trying to remember, I got a very strong impression (through dreams), that the Reptilians were angry that I was no longer trying.

Fore, if you feel that the couple you did not recognize is trying to help you, is there any way you can contact them or learn more about them?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Jan, 2010, 3:21am

7 Jan, 2010, 1:16am, newyorklily wrote:

Same.

The obvious would be to learn how it is implemented and how it is standardized across individuals.

Once we know how it is made we can figure out how it works and what can be done to mitigate the problem.

Note: Not even three minutes after typing my last post, I got a high pitch on my left and my head hurt for a bit. I wasn't going to tell anyone about it.

If you ask me *why* I wasn't going to, I would say I don't clearly know "why" I wouldn't want to. All I can say, it is obviously in their favor to not discuss the monitoring or how they adjust situations and people to bury things.

It makes me feel a bit better knowing someone else has experienced the same sort of protocols that are applied to people on the ground. Not that I am glad that you had it too, but I am glad I am not alone in this. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.

7 Jan, 2010, 1:16am, newyorklily wrote:

About seven years later I had enough of it. Whitley Streiber's Communion came out and I was determined to read it. And I did through very severe headaches and nightmares (three of which were directly related to the three abductions). After that I was able to read UFO and abduction books again but the feeling that I was "doing something wrong" would come and go at different times. Sometimes it would be a lack of interest, other times I would feel as if there would be repercussions for my actions (i.e. if I collected some evidence, I was "dead meat"). There were also times when I wasn't sure if the Greys had planted this fear in me or if it was my own fears as the result of unconscious memories.

I am still speculating on the reason why impulses appear out of nowhere and how they affect a persons life.

I too used to love reading books. Then one day, no more. I just couldn't read. And even less if it were UFO related. (Not that I ever wanted to anyway....so no great change.

I felt the following back then when I was younger:

I wanted to read. I wanted to read UFO stuff to learn more about it.

But I couldn't. The advisor told me I couldn't and shouldn't read it. She told me it was because there were alot of lies and many complicated themes that are weaved to confuse people. (yes she said that folks)

She told me most of UFOlogy is basically laden with lies. She said at other times that 80% of what I would be reading would be false in one way or another. There was (according to her) no value in reading.

She told me to focus on what she was telling me. She said if I needed to know something she would tell me directly.

But I insisted at times that I wanted to know. I sometimes read some things on the net which people recommended but which she pressed me vehemently not to read about.

One of those was the alien love bite. The others were about various experiencers who had written a simple webpage on the net.

The advisor would stop me, call my attention and tell me straight out, how much of it should be relied upon (since she couldn't stop me from reading something).

She gave me statistics and reasons as to why I should not believe the text I was about to read. Even going into explainations about what I was going to be exposed to in specific and how I should look upon it.

She told me about the article even before I got to lay my darn eyes on it.

Line by line, I swear this is the absolute truth, she would tell me what the next line is like as if she were a proofreader for me. Telling me this is false and that is true.

Don't believe this, but this is partially true. (etc)

SO I WOULD ASK:

Why is this false? Why is this true? Why do you believe that and what do you know on this subject. And she would be all too happy to tell me about so many things.

It was like talking to a encyclopedia Britannica in that she would give you lessons about so many subjects even the ones you hadn't thought to ask about.

She made it clear:

You (me) shouldn't contaminate yourself with what is "out there". You should only listen to what I teach you and never deviate from it.

But if that were the case, I thought it important for her to prove things as they might be fabrications. Sure as hell, she did exactly that. She went through the ABC's in stride and told me about alot of things I never even thought to ask.

She taught me herself how thick the deception is but that was by word of mouth. I couldn't read about it for myself as she was adamant that I didn't infect myself with the many themes "out there".

I had no idea, I swear, that UFOlogy and it's people were half as messed up as she had claimed. I couldn't believe what she was telling me.

So she showed me.

After some consternation with the males and the management. She allowed me to indulge in telling my story to a number of people. She addressed people directly and affected them herself.

She got them to cooperate, then taught/instructed me on what was happening in a certain case. How people were affected by their experience and how I should understand. Including how to diagnose individuals and perceptions by psychic means.

She taught me the full gambit (and probably there was still more) about how the game runs with the ET's.

But she kept certain kinds of information form me. Information that would have painted her in a bad light. Like the idea that there are others "out there" who have an advisor.

Or the idea of ET handlers creating artificial couplings to make an individual more "responsive". She was definitely afraid of that coming out of the ET closet. And often she confessed it when push came to shove.

Which upset the others in her group. Nordic, Grey or unknowns....it didn't matter. They all thought I shouldn't know about too much.

I started questioning so much and she encouraged it. The others around us frowned and often she got "called up/away". I could tell they were grilling her and she said so. That she often got in trouble for indulging me. But that I shouldn't worry too deeply about it because she was a good spinner with ET management.

They always thought badly of the whole situation and only when they noticed they couldn't put me in the delusions (the same delusions they originally tried when I was small) did they come around and start treating me more like the advisor did.

They started sharing information openly including sensitive operational information about what they were doing.

But the advisor lectured me that is was only because they had some kind of trust and it would only be that way as long as I didn't break too many confidences.

I even met some nordics who were pretty apathetic. Geeze. I thought they were supposed to be spotlights and cheery news. Instead they looked down on me and many called the advisor "Obsessive" and "She loves you". But remarking it in such a dirty way as if honesty and knowledge for a person like me was something "wrong".

Those sentiments bothered me so much. It seemed to bother some of the few nordics I met. The fact that I knew so much and the protocols they employ on people seemed to raise a stink in their eyes.

Even the advisors friend was like that. She and I didn't get along as she saw me as a favor (and maybe I didn't treat her all too well I admit).

Maybe I should have said to those kinds of nordics that they are as advanced as a stinking mouse in personality and honesty. But then again, why wrestle with the non-natives?

Anyway...

7 Jan, 2010, 1:16am, newyorklily wrote:

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I dunno what they were up to.

What disconcerted me is how they did not register as a nordic type.

Like you mentioned in private. Maybe they were human??

Maybe I just didn't read her right. Who knows...

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I couldn't figure out their angle. That's what bothers me a bit.

As I speak, I am being watched carefully.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Jan, 2010, 3:43am

@ Liliy:
"Fore, if you feel that the couple you did not recognize is trying to help you, is there any way you can contact them or learn more about them?"

If they showed up, I do believe they will show up again at some point.

I don't know of them [personally]. I do not know what they are up to or why one of them showed up in my bedroom.

It appears it is common knowledge to the ET's I know of, that I respond better to women than I do to men. If they know that, then I guess they know alot about me. In retrospect, it makes sense that only the woman showed up. Though I don't know what she might have been up to.

Edit: I will keep an eye out and report on who visits next (with some discretion of course as they don't like me listing their activities). I will ask the woman what she wants bluntly if I see her again.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Jan, 2010, 3:52am

7 Jan, 2010, 12:02am, dove wrote:

6 Jan, 2010, 2:08am, fore wrote:

I am stuck.

I could tell.

It only took you a week to respond.

Actually, I was about to post again to tease you and say that I really could never be your muse since you won't/can't answer many of my questions.

Your lucky, I had to force myself.

7 Jan, 2010, 12:02am, dove wrote:

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But those who keep a vigil. In the next post I'll tell you more about exactly what I have found out so far.

That should only take about a week.

j/k..

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Probably longer.

Here is the info:

[nevermind]

7 Jan, 2010, 12:02am, dove wrote:

Geesh, Ponti. You so luck out when it only takes 15 minutes for someone to catch on. Only takes about 5 for me. ::)

You inspire avoidance. Not a surprise I bet.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Jan, 2010, 3:55am

7 Jan, 2010, 12:00am, pontificator wrote:

Certain ones caused moments of absolute horror for the being monitoring Fore at the time...

Do you want to know what I postulated about the higher mind, the interconnect and certain actions being performed on the psychic body?

Hint, its the type that causes a being [ one of "the others"] to almost psychically scream "NOOOOO!"...

Now, of course, with Fore not being able to reply... I have the equivalent of a wreaking Ball available until they take Fore's filter off Bwhahaha...

However, I'd better give them time to do that

Hes exaggerating a great deal.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 7 Jan, 2010, 5:35am

Point taken. I'll stop posting in your threads, then. Sorry to be so bothersome.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by newyorklily on 7 Jan, 2010, 7:45am

7 Jan, 2010, 3:21am, fore wrote:

The obvious would be to learn how it is implemented and how it is standardized across individuals.

Once we know how it is made we can figure out how it works and what can be done to mitigate the problem.

I agree.

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Note: Not even three minutes after typing my last post, I got a high pitch on my left and my head hurt for a bit. I wasn't going to tell anyone about it.

While typing my last post to you, I experienced severe pains in the sides of my head, mostly around my right temple. I was surprised to find that it vanished as soon as I hit "post reply".

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It makes me feel a bit better knowing someone else has experienced the same sort of protocols that are applied to people on the ground. Not that I am glad that you had it too, but I am glad I am not alone in this. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.

I understand completely and I feel the same way. It took me over 40 years before I was able to talk to someone about my experiences. First at conferences, then I found the chat rooms and forums. Before that I kept trying to tell myself that it can't be happening, that there must be another explanation or I was just going crazy even though I could see physical evidence for it. I still do that now but not as much. Perhaps that is also part of the "protocols".

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Or the idea of ET handlers creating artificial couplings to make an individual more "responsive". She was definitely afraid of that coming out of the ET closet. And often she confessed it when push came to shove.

Could you explain this further? I might be misunderstanding this.

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They always thought badly of the whole situation and only when they noticed they couldn't put me in the delusions (the same delusions they originally tried when I was small) did they come around and start treating me more like the advisor did.

So, when you stood up for yourself, they began to recognize you.

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I even met some nordics who were pretty apathetic. Geeze. I thought they were supposed to be spotlights and cheery news. Instead they looked down on me and many called the advisor "Obsessive" and "She loves you". But remarking it in such a dirty way as if honesty and knowledge for a person like me was something "wrong".

Those sentiments bothered me so much. It seemed to bother some of the few nordics I met. The fact that I knew so much and the protocols they employ on people seemed to raise a stink in their eyes.

Even the advisors friend was like that. She and I didn't get along as she saw me as a favor (and maybe I didn't treat her all too well I admit).

Maybe I should have said to those kinds of nordics that they are as advanced as a stinking mouse in personality and honesty. But then again, why wrestle with the non-natives?

I've experienced this with the Reptilians. My Attendant would be comforting to me while another Reppie would be harsh and condescending. There are definitely different personalities within the group and I think some of them don't want to have anything to do with humans.

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I think we meet other entities along the way, not just our main contacts. My main groups seem to be Greys and Reptilians. I still don't know who (or what) that being was that pushed me back into my body while I was meditating. I don't think he functions physically in this world and I believe I was only able to feel him push on my shoulder because I had somehow slipped into his realm. As a Catholic, I would call him a Guardian Angel. I feel he will be there to take care of the trouble I get into with the non-physical worlds. But I have no reasons why he should do this and my view of him could be all wrong. Then again, I am thinking like a human and we are even suspicious when our own kind wants to help us out of a jam.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by newyorklily on 7 Jan, 2010, 8:13am

7 Jan, 2010, 3:43am, fore wrote:

It appears it is common knowledge to the ET's I know of, that I respond better to women than I do to men. If they know that, then I guess they know alot about me. In retrospect, it makes sense that only the woman showed up. Though I don't know what she might have been up to.

Interesting. I didn't realize that the ETs do this intentionally. I have always had a better rapport with men than women (I was very close to my grandfather while growing up). All of my contacts (both Greys and Reptilians) have been male.

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Edit: I will keep an eye out and report on who visits next (with some discretion of course as they don't like me listing their activities). I will ask the woman what she wants bluntly if I see her again.

I look forward to reading her answers.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 7 Jan, 2010, 12:59pm

7 Jan, 2010, 3:55am, fore wrote:

7 Jan, 2010, 12:00am, pontificator wrote:

Hes exaggerating a great deal.

Ahhh, it worked!

Fore could, of course, not describe this in much better accurate detail in his next post

@Dove: I think you might be mis-reading Fore there

I have that problem myself with people mis-reading e-mail by my, I'm a bit too blunt a writer, and it causes offence completely unintentionally.

In this case he is undergoing lock down with individuals considered the most threatening. Take note of who they are.

Currently locked down, to my knowledge [ Fore will be able to list individuals he is having difficulties contacting, as that is most likely outside the effects of the current apathy filter ]:
Pontificator.
Dove.
Montalk [ to an extent ].

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Jan, 2010, 2:16pm

7 Jan, 2010, 5:35am, dove wrote:

Point taken. I'll stop posting in your threads, then. Sorry to be so bothersome.

Inspiring avoidance is a good thing dove.

You do ask good questions. Thats why the avoidance seems to kick in.

It's not that I want to, it's just that I need to learn how to control it more effectively. At the moment I haven't developed a solution yet. But I will eventually, of that I have no doubt.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Jan, 2010, 4:10pm

7 Jan, 2010, 7:45am, newyorklily wrote:

7 Jan, 2010, 3:21am, fore wrote:

I agree.

While typing my last post to you, I experienced severe pains in the sides of my head, mostly around my right temple. I was surprised to find that it vanished as soon as I hit "post reply".

I am not surprised.

Letting me know that others have experienced the same is something which touched me deeply. Knowing that I am not alone only spurs me on to continue.

I will then share something that I probably shouldn't to inspire others to beware of such tactics.

[Right now I am thinking just how deep into this bucket should I dig before I slap it down on the table for all to see. And even how I should effectively do it without incurring any unfavorable situations. Read into that as you will.]

At 8:15pm last night (yes, I am telling people roughly when) I was contacted by projected telepathy. A mind game of sorts was played out using TI AND TM. (Thought Insemination and Though Manipulation)

I was addressed by an entity who I have heard countless times in the last 28 years.

The entity controlled my thoughts for a moment as to externally induce me to think that "I should give this up". That "if anyone visited where I lived. I would not be able to show any proof of my visitations or contact experience".

Then the thoughts of sheer embarrassment and the feeling of feeling like a fool kicked in my gut.

I felt for a moment, for a mere moment, that these thoughts running through my head were so incredibly valid. That I really should give up and just turn away from the forum once and for all. That I should leave all of this behind and keep my secret to myself. That there was no point to it all. I wasn't going to be able to definitively prove anything.

But then I snapped to realizing what I was saying. I addressed the entity who was trying to play a game with my own mind and I said:

Well, even if I can't prove it, there is no reason why I shouldn't speak out about it. And if I speak out about it I will show them everything you are doing to me right now and teach them how the games are played so they can be wiser as to how people are manipulated.

It stopped the TI and TM. It addressed me again this time by not fooling with my mind. It told me to tell everyone. Tell them with exacting detail how the conversation went down. Then he flashed information on a mental representation of statistics on how many people still believe my story.

It told me that revealing this conversation and it's events will only stir the imagination of those who have serious doubts. To tell them and that others would be there to "help them".

That got me in the gut. I realized he was showing me the statistics that I had seen before about how the number of people who believe me is going down.

If I talked about everything in detail. Like he said, it would go against me perceptions wise. It's too much and there aren't enough members who are sharing their deeper experiences. I am fighting a losing battle.

There isn't enough correlations between members to boost the ideas that many people are experiencing a very real phenomena across many distant point across the world.

The entity insisted I speak about this. He said it would turn in their favor so my only choice was to keep silent. He also mentioned that in showing more and more information people would reckon that my group was totally evil. And that would cause them to shut me out and listen to nothing I would have to say.

He said it would further their approach to this developing situation.

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I went to sleep wondering what I should do. Should I tell people more about what interactions and situations happen in the background? Or should I simply comply and keep silent?

I can do what he goads me to do knowing that the situation will go badly because the situation isn't yet matured well in my favor. There are still to few correlations between individuals.

After sleeping on it. I thought this, there is no way I am going to keep silent. There is no real way I can write this to proof myself against what I know the have in their court.

I will just have to have a little hope that someone can deal with it as much as I experience it myself.

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So I turned around just before typing this post. I said in my mind, I will teach people how ET's can set up ideas in people and tear the ideas down in one fell swoop.

If someone isn't cognizant of what is being played out because they don't have daily interactions. Then that person will assume they are the source of the ideas and that they themselves are discouraging a behavior.

This leads to the net effect that the person ingests thoughts and sentiments that are not originating in themselves...but outside themselves.

Someone is literally playing mind games inside them to illicit the right emotion or sentiment. As was done with me just last night.

The same message:

"Leave and shut up."

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So there it is. If the _______ ET is watching, I hope he does his best in trying to counter just one more lesson in the wild.

I guess they are starting down that road of trying to make me and my experience seem illegitimate. From a mere threat and now to a potential reality. So be it.

7 Jan, 2010, 7:45am, newyorklily wrote:

It took me the better part of two decades.

Your was nearly half a century. Mine was nearly a quarter of a century.

People seemingly have only a very vague idea as to how many things people go through and how the information and depth of experience is controlled to keep it from making any uncanny connections by outside observers.

It's important that people realize what an uncomfortable situation this is to be. To experience "something" and "someone" and then being unable to talk about it to anyone.

Feeling bad about day to day experiences. Questioning your own sanity constantly.

(Mind you, Crazy people never question their sanity. Seemingly only sane people experiencing situations which makes them FEEL insane.)

Never knowing what is going to happen next but knowing that eventually it will come, and you have no choice but to deal with it.

What to do, what to do....

Sometimes you can't even talk to other experiencers about your personal experience because it is "incompatible" with theirs.

UFOlogy...it's....complicated.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Jan, 2010, 5:23pm

7 Jan, 2010, 7:45am, newyorklily wrote:

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Could you explain this further? I might be misunderstanding this.

It was one of the issues when I thought maybe the advisor was a sort of handler. Which was boosted by a link a friend sent me quite a long time ago pointing to the alien love bite site.

I confronted the advisor with the info on it.

She told me it was true but not to think about her in those terms. I couldn't help but be deeply skeptical.

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Think about this:

They come visit you when your small some of the times. Other times when you might be older.

At some point they make a claim:

That somehow you have known each other for "a very long time" before "this life".

Of course, you don't *recall* what the heck they are talking about.

Then suddenly you have associated experiences where you "remember" past lives and what not with them in it. How do you know they didn't insert that into your head while you slept?

Does anyone?

I thought this was an isolated theme. Boy, was I wrong!

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Some of these "handlers" appear to be the stronghold of the ET control over a person. But that is purely speculation.

All I do know, is that experiencers never seem to question the "handler" too much. They never seem to doubt that the handler has only good intentions for them.

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Though in cases (especially Grey handlers and the nordic-like types) when people recount their meetings in person or in an altered state. You tend to get the feeling that the "Handler" is futzing about with the individual in some way. As if they are being led about by the nose or something.

There are signs that may not mean anything significant to first time experiencers but which might be noticed by more seasoned experiencers.

Such as how they talk and what they do to affect people. Do they keep their psychic hands to themselves or do they unnecessarily manipulate and tamper with the minds of those they "handle"?

7 Jan, 2010, 7:45am, newyorklily wrote:

So, when you stood up for yourself, they began to recognize you.

Nah, not in my view.

They just employed different techniques to compensate for what normally works.

At least I can say the vigilance is somehow justified.

7 Jan, 2010, 7:45am, newyorklily wrote:

And we should both question what need is there for "excessive" comforting?

Is it to protect or is it to re instill control?

That is one of the reasons why I have never had a serious relationship. I have questions that are hard to ask to certain kinds of experiencers.

I have innate fears about being so close to someone and all the implications effects that would bring about.

If I am with someone, can I restrain myself over them? Will I be able to "relax" and not unduly affect them during normal activities??

Can I be released from that vigil I keep over myself and be close to someone and not have to worry about somehow unconsciously "abusing" or "manipulating" them?

Will they be okay if they are around me without keeping my guard up?

I know that these questions are patently silly to a regular person. But then, normal people don't have any of the ET-like capabilities to worry about.

Shutting them (my abilities) down is my only real hope of living a normal life. Of enjoying normal things. Of being sure that I can have an equal relationship.

I find it disturbing when I see some people wax on about their "handlers"/attendants/advisors. But then again, I do the same.

7 Jan, 2010, 7:45am, newyorklily wrote:

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What does he think?

Mine thinks I should stay away from my group and enjoy my life.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Jan, 2010, 5:26pm

7 Jan, 2010, 12:59pm, pontificator wrote:

7 Jan, 2010, 3:55am, fore wrote:

Hes exaggerating a great deal.

Ahhh, it worked!

Fore could, of course, not describe this in much better accurate detail in his next post

;)

7 Jan, 2010, 12:59pm, pontificator wrote:

In this case he is undergoing lock down with individuals considered the most threatening. Take note of who they are.

Currently locked down, to my knowledge [ Fore will be able to list individuals he is having difficulties contacting, as that is most likely outside the effects of the current apathy filter ]:
Pontificator.
Dove.
Montalk [ to an extent ].

Very perceptive.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by hazuka on 7 Jan, 2010, 7:02pm

About the [induced lack of interest on certain subject], isn't it what is experiencing most of the population on earth ?
Most people simply doesn't care about ufo and other related topics... even some who have seen ufo's, they just go on with their lives without looking further (i m not saying it s a bad thing... it just surprises me)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by traynor on 7 Jan, 2010, 8:41pm

7 Jan, 2010, 7:02pm, hazuka wrote:

About the [induced lack of interest on certain subject], isn't it what is experiencing most of the population on earth ?
Most people simply doesn't care about ufo and other related topics... even some who have seen ufo's, they just go on with their lives without looking further (i m not saying it s a bad thing... it just surprises me)

When people are confronted with stimuli too complex, too threatening, or too disturbing to process, denial and avoidance are the pre-programmed responses. For people who believe themselves to be the select, chosen few, created in their deities image, and destined to rule the earth, it is upsetting to think that other species (representing far more advanced capabilities and technological superiority) are flying about with impunity in various spacecraft over the planet they believe to be the center of the universe.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 Jan, 2010, 8:46pm

@ Traynor

Though that may be the case in some situations. That doesn't appear to be the reason in my case.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 7 Jan, 2010, 9:11pm

@ponti

Even with hands off, we know where the lines are. It is not a threat to change or cause undesirable events. What is known is that in influencing others with information it applies undue pressure on existing and ongoing situations. This in turn has a correlation to our own stability scenarios. In knowing specific aspects of a personal experience, the recipient then has the ability to reshape this, which unless great care is taken has an effect. How this is managed is thru direct intervention, to reshape the perception into a more desirable vector. A balance between the parties involved is needed, it is a smoothing of wrinkles between interactions.

The disinterest signifies a recognition of a request for information, which can be used to modify a position currently held by the disinterested party. To modify this position may require significant re-balancing or may cause damage in areas the requestor is unaware of. This unawareness on the requestors part is by design, discovery or access to this part of the information is held closely by each person in the loop.

We all ask questions, we all show pieces, but when it comes to an actual unveiling of aspects specific to our own position (true position) we all know better then to do so. There is no problem with a reading and application of principles as it affects other entities within the loop. However, how this is done needs to be carefully executed, lest crucial information is extrapolated from what is shown.

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Now when the information requested is done due to previous information shared, there is a need on the recipients part to reconcile their own perceptions. It is actually a request for balance i.e. either complete the move or provide a leeway. When neither is forthcoming, then it is manipulation, an act of deliberate suspension, a free-fall of sorts. To those in this situation I would say grow wings and fly. Assertion at a personal level is needed in those instances, and when assertion can not be internally established we get a fear or anger factor. Some may be much slower in achieving this then others, however unless an internal assertion is achieved then an underlying submission is taking place.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by newyorklily on 8 Jan, 2010, 2:35am

7 Jan, 2010, 4:10pm, fore wrote:

I am not surprised.

Letting me know that others have experienced the same is something which touched me deeply. Knowing that I am not alone only spurs me on to continue.

Thank you for posting this Fore. This has touched me deeply. I never thought that telling my experiences could have that much affect on someone.

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I went to sleep wondering what I should do. Should I tell people more about what interactions and situations happen in the background? Or should I simply comply and keep silent?

I can do what he goads me to do knowing that the situation will go badly because the situation isn't yet matured well in my favor. There are still to few correlations between individuals.

After sleeping on it. I thought this, there is no way I am going to keep silent. There is no real way I can write this to proof myself against what I know the have in their court.

I will just have to have a little hope that someone can deal with it as much as I experience it myself.

You should talk about it. If each of us talked about our experiences (and UFOs in general), people will know that this is an important topic and that it needs attention.

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Sometimes you can't even talk to other experiencers about your personal experience because it is "incompatible" with theirs.

When I first started talking about my experiences, I hooked up with a local group. They only knew the seemingly "good" aliens. The Light Beings and the Star People. They cringed and moved away when I started talking about my painful abductions. One even went so far as to tell me that they had to get me in with a better group of aliens.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 8 Jan, 2010, 2:52am

@ Lily

In retrospoect, were they really "good"?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by traynor on 8 Jan, 2010, 3:30am

7 Jan, 2010, 8:46pm, fore wrote:

@ Traynor

Though that may be the case in some situations. That doesn't appear to be the reason in my case.

I did not mean to imply it was. I was specifically referring to hazuka's comment on "most of the population on earth." It is a perfectly natural human reaction.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by newyorklily on 8 Jan, 2010, 3:37am

7 Jan, 2010, 5:23pm, fore wrote:

Think about this:

They come visit you when your small some of the times. Other times when you might be older.

At some point they make a claim:

That somehow you have known each other for "a very long time" before "this life".

Of course, you don't *recall* what the heck they are talking about.

Then suddenly you have associated experiences where you "remember" past lives and what not with them in it. How do you know they didn't insert that into your head while you slept?

Does anyone?

I thought this was an isolated theme. Boy, was I wrong!

I think I first met my Attendant when I was a toddler and he was my imaginary friend. He changed as I grew in order to be someone I was comfortable with.

Quote:

Some of these "handlers" appear to be the stronghold of the ET control over a person. But that is purely speculation.

All I do know, is that experiencers never seem to question the "handler" too much. They never seem to doubt that the handler has only good intentions for them.

I am guilty of this. I needed someone to trust and he was all I had.

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I remember one time when my Attendant used unorthodox means to get me through a procedure. My guess is that he has used it more than once. These things happen. He told me once that they have things to do and they are going to get done. I'm just glad that he tries to make it physically easier for me even if the method can be psychologically uncomfortable later.

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I have innate fears about being so close to someone and all the implications effects that would bring about.

If I am with someone, can I restrain myself over them? Will I be able to "relax" and not unduly affect them during normal activities??

Can I be released from that vigil I keep over myself and be close to someone and not have to worry about somehow unconsciously "abusing" or "manipulating" them?

Will they be okay if they are around me without keeping my guard up?

I know that these questions are patently silly to a regular person. But then, normal people don't have any of the ET-like capabilities to worry about.

Shutting them (my abilities) down is my only real hope of living a normal life. Of enjoying normal things. Of being sure that I can have an equal relationship.

I have heard that Experiencers seem to attract (and have relationships with) other Experiencers.

If you shut down your abilities in order to be in a relationship, there is a possibility that you might resent that person later on because you didn't live up to your full potential.

Go slow, meet someone, be aware of your feelings and let her get to know you. You just might meet someone who is also going through the same things we are.

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I actually don't know what he thinks, I only saw him that one time.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by newyorklily on 8 Jan, 2010, 3:40am

8 Jan, 2010, 2:52am, fore wrote:

@ Lily

In retrospoect, were they really "good"?

I've never met them but I doubt it. I think that all the ETs have both their good and bad things about them.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 8 Jan, 2010, 4:00am

7 Jan, 2010, 5:23pm, fore wrote:

Do you love the advisor?
If yes, Are you skeptical that she implanted love?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 8 Jan, 2010, 12:23pm

7 Jan, 2010, 2:16pm, fore wrote:

7 Jan, 2010, 5:35am, dove wrote:

Point taken. I'll stop posting in your threads, then. Sorry to be so bothersome.

Inspiring avoidance is a good thing dove.

Well, at any rate, I end up wasting my time and looking stupid when I ask questions all the time that go unanswered. So maybe it's best if I just step away. My intentions are/were to help you and everyone else, but it's not working out very well with the avoidance tactics in place.

If the questions were answered fully, it might be worth the harassment it feels like I receive when I'm asking them. As it is, I feel as though I get punished (well, at least visited by those that make me feel *really* funky) for taking the chance of making a post that you may actually answer. Still, I do my best to ignore their threats in order to respond in your threads.

I can suggest some things to help you control the situation, but I rather think that you won't try them. Not that I think it's because you don't want to, but that they will do what they can to stop you.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 8 Jan, 2010, 12:35pm

8 Jan, 2010, 3:37am, newyorklily wrote:

As Lily suggested, I think that you would be doing yourself a disservice if you were to lower your abilities just so that you can be normal and meet a 'regular' girl. Eventually, you will become bored because of your potential (which you have on your own and should be trying to promote, rather than depending on ET to open you up).

You already have a difficult time with this because nobody so far has lived up to the advisor's standards of 'uber-human'. Just know that there are few (if any) humans with those abilities here on this planet. That doesn't mean that there isn't someone very close to that standard whom you may someday meet. Lowering your expectations to a high-quality human would suffice. Nobody is going to be like her, but you know this.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by philliman on 8 Jan, 2010, 11:23pm

7 Jan, 2010, 3:43am, fore wrote:

@ Liliy:
"Fore, if you feel that the couple you did not recognize is trying to help you, is there any way you can contact them or learn more about them?"

If they showed up, I do believe they will show up again at some point.

I don't know of them [personally]. I do not know what they are up to or why one of them showed up in my bedroom.

It appears it is common knowledge to the ET's I know of, that I respond better to women than I do to men. If they know that, then I guess they know alot about me. In retrospect, it makes sense that only the woman showed up. Though I don't know what she might have been up to.

Edit: I will keep an eye out and report on who visits next (with some discretion of course as they don't like me listing their activities). I will ask the woman what she wants bluntly if I see her again.

So did you saw them physically? Can you describe them? Hair, height, skin, eyes, dress and so on? Was there anything else why you believe in the possibility that they were maybe "just" humans?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by verum on 9 Jan, 2010, 12:21am

7 Jan, 2010, 3:21am, fore wrote:

But I couldn't. The advisor told me I couldn't and shouldn't read it. She told me it was because there were alot of lies and many complicated themes that are weaved to confuse people. (yes she said that folks)

She told me most of UFOlogy is basically laden with lies. She said at other times that 80% of what I would be reading would be false in one way or another. There was (according to her) no value in reading.

She told me to focus on what she was telling me. She said if I needed to know something she would tell me directly.

This sounds like the Catholic Church until the 20th century. 'Don't worry about reading the Bible or other stuff, we will tell you what is in it; and what God wants you to know.' Just sayin...

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At 8:15pm last night (yes, I am telling people roughly when) I was contacted by projected telepathy. A mind game of sorts was played out using TI AND TM. (Thought Insemination and Though Manipulation)

For people to be able to recognize this is happening to them is going to be very important in the near future. I am glad you are sharing this, whether it be from ET or humanity. The majority of humanity can not do TI and TM with their minds but we can produce it with current technologies.

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Then the thoughts of sheer embarrassment and the feeling of feeling like a fool kicked in my gut.

I felt for a moment, for a mere moment, that these thoughts running through my head were so incredibly valid. That I really should give up and just turn away from the forum once and for all. That I should leave all of this behind and keep my secret to myself. That there was no point to it all. I wasn't going to be able to definitively prove anything.......................

I have had this feeling projected onto me several times since joining this forum in December of 2007. It could be very embarrassing for me in my job if the local public knew some of things I discussed on here. That feeling has been very prevalent with me as I delved into the encounters and supernatural side of this forum.

You know Fore, I don't know what switch turned on inside of me in 2007 but my life as I knew it is totally different. It has been people like you that have made that transition more understandable and easier to deal with. I am still not quite sure the purpose behind some of things I have discovered about myself. I do know I am so much more perceptive to things around me; that I never realized were going on. The only thing I can equate it too is when I received lasik eye surgery. I never knew what all I was missing until my eyes were corrected. I guess what I am trying to say Fore is keep up the good fight. The skype sessions we had in the past have been very helpful for me dealing with these new experiences.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 9 Jan, 2010, 1:18am

8 Jan, 2010, 12:23pm, dove wrote:

If the questions were answered fully, it might be worth the harassment it feels like I receive when I'm asking them. As it is, I feel as though I get punished (well, at least visited by those that make me feel *really* funky) for taking the chance of making a post that you may actually answer. Still, I do my best to ignore their threats in order to respond in your threads.

I should add that Idk if the feelings I get when responding to your posts are necessarily your contacts (or anyone in relation to them) checking on me or visiting. It could be my own gut instincts making me feel that way. However, it doesn't feel that way; it seems as though everything's okay until I'm about 5-10 minutes into a post. That's when I start to sense something is happening or someone is checking me out.

Whoever it is, they certainly don't make me feel warm and fuzzy. More the opposite. It's definitely someone not wanting me to write what I'm writing, whether it be someone from my own sphere warning me, or your group.

It will be nice when the feedback I receive is more complex (but easy for me to understand) than having a knot well up inside me. That physical reaction I get when my shields are being tweaked or hit is not comfortable.

After the initial reaction, I'm pretty good at figuring out what's being done to me. The various effects are recognizable to me now: the apathetic feeling coming on, the forgetfulness of what I was going to say, the heavy scanned sensation (including a painful feeling at the back of my head), etc.

Of course, all of the above are currently happening. It's been longer than five minutes.

Just not right, I tell ya. Someone doesn't like it when I converse with you. ::)

Surely they don't find me to be a threat, considering the circumstances (read further into that, Fore; I would think they would be rather amused, don't you?).

Whoever it is warning me, they absolutely *don't* have a sense of humor.

I've tried loosening them up. I've really tried. Like I've mentioned before, I don't think it works...

Of course, all of this could be because of Junior. Maybe he/she/it is the one making me feel that way, for whatever reason; perhaps warning me off or having personal stake in not wanting me to communicate with you?

That doesn't really feel like what it is since I'm pretty sure Jr. is here most of the time and has a sense of humor--or someone else is, who happens to be around me/reading me/connected telepathically to me--whoever that is (would be nice if it wasn't hiding from everyone, but there might be more than one thing going on which i don't quite understand) Because of that, I would think that I would begin to feel yucky even starting a response or thinking about one, so idk. ::)

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Sorry about the length of post; I just noticed how long it was. Guess I got to jabbering again.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 9 Jan, 2010, 2:32pm

Montalk and I appear to be pretty much on the same page as regards question set 2.

I suggested some refinement for a couple of questions, due to scope issues, but I would not expect much in the way of pretty much yes to everything if you answered it.

After checking the question set again the question about reprogramming the psychic body, via the interconnect so that the body could accept higher influence loads + greater PSI ability, it appears to be only level one [ I had thought it was higher ].

The "other" naturally said no to it being possible, but it lied as you said [ in a somewhat obvious fashion, caution needed perhaps? ].

As for the main event being proceeded by a disease epidemic: that was a rank nine question [ answered yes by "the other" ].

The death rate was confirmed as devastating for both the main event and the epidemic. The epidemic may have a survivability rate of only 1 in 20, the main event caused you queasiness.

"The Other" contemplated the advisor in an unpleasant manner, but at the same time had a very high ranking on the sensitivity of the number of groups in their faction. I now know that due to the way the question was structured that there are more than three groups comprising "the others".

This only a summary, but lets see if the apathy filter prevents you from saying "no more". I play hard-ball.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 9 Jan, 2010, 11:27pm

8 Jan, 2010, 4:00am, 369 wrote:

7 Jan, 2010, 5:23pm, fore wrote:

Do you love the advisor?
If yes, Are you skeptical that she implanted love?

Yes, I can say I genuinely do Love her.

But it isn't strictly one emotion or one sentiment.

I don't like how certain situations went down. I don't appreciate some of the things she did even if they might have been for the best in an ultimate sense.

I think of it (for now) as a caretaker who did what she felt was seemingly needed. I know only some of the reasoning behind it. I don't know alot of what went through her head.

I have seen that her long term actions are consistent with her stated mentality and emotions.

So I believe her intentions to be as other ET's have noted it. Obsessive, protective, caring, watchful, careful.

I have also noticed that she can be deceptive on the few occasions when she has something to hide or keep me in the dark about. She sometimes seemingly gets forced into the "forced assistant" role and tries to ease the situation by making it unbeknown to be me until a large period of time has passed.

I do not know if it is by obligation or as some sort of contractual rule she has with the other members of my group. All I do know is that she acts like an elder sister or caretaker who has to try to get me through some tough situations with the least amount of unpleasant reactions from me.

This she has told me, at times, with her largely unvoiced sentiments. She goes to lengths to seemingly make sure I don't catch wind of something. (which obviously didn't work in the long term).

I feel in my personal view, that she has responsibilities which she must see to. I have long understood it all to mean that her being with me isn't a "free ride".

I recognized when I was little that the others pressed her to do something unknown. And I could tell she didn't really want to but tried to shield me through ignorance.

I don't recall anything too devastating or horrible. In fact, most of my bitterness comes from the (well relatively speaking) lack of information on who they are and what they want.

I don't like living in ignorance.

I could read between the lines when she was overly delicate and asked me for permission to perform a test. But she would not tell me what it might be or whom would be performing it.

She only told me to fall asleep and when I would wake up I would feel a little strange but I would be fine. Sometimes the other hovered nearby. Sometimes I could tell they were pushing some unsaid issue.

Othertimes I noted that she would argue with them and stall for days but never I never have known why?

I can tell she sometimes got into trouble with her administration and she can get emotional or even show signs of strain like a normal human being.

Let me tell you, to see that "strain" happen in a woman you know to be pretty strong is something that confuses you for the rest of your life.

It makes you feel uneasy. It makes you feel fear. It makes you feel paranoid and disconcerted.

Because you don't know why this woman whom has taken care of you is suddenly unhappy or "strained" and hesitant and is seemingly hiding something as if to protect you from it.

When you press on her t tell you she seems like she wants to tell you but she can't. You see the others accompany her and they seem to be watching everything as if measuring the situation.

When her supervisor came down, she was real unhappy if not distraught. That supervisor of hers was not like the supervisor I known of.

He was sterm and a no-nonsense kind of guy. He wasn't pulling punches or being nice about it, he was deeply annoyed to have to come with her.

But through her training she taught me lessons about themselves. She taught me to understand the situation around me that I could not clearly understand in every aspect.

She taught me how to protect myself from them and gave me lessons on how to counter many kinds of situations. Sometimes I didn't even ask and she would put the info in my virtual lap.

She understood me very well. Perhaps, as she said, better than even I know myself.

She would try to hide what my life was like many times in the years to come. As if she wanted to spare me as much pain as possible. She listened to my angst and bitter thoughts and tried to help me work through it to better cope.

So much stuff to show you all......

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She seemed less interested in the agenda and more in how I was.

To the best of my knowledge I have never been openly abused by her. Sometimes it was evident that she knew she was doing something wrong but she didn't seem to openly acknowledge it.

I don't feel it was because she was evil. I feel it was because she was trying to make it less detrimental or something.

She is not perfect. I hold some things against her. But she understands.

She doesn't really accuse me for my sentiments. Though sometimes she was less than thrilled when I shared it with someone.

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Recently, when she came back and showed up out of the blue over a situation I got myself into.

She tried to get close and re-establish her deep connections to me. At least that is what it felt like to me.

But I rejected her approach and openly showed my distrust and fear of not wanting to go through everything again.

She has since kept her distance and not hung it over my head.

What I feel when her mind touches mine, is that it obviously affects her, but she doesn't hold it against me (like any rancor or anything).

I feel now that she respects the distance between us and she is mindful and respects my own space so I don't feel "smothered".

Like she told me a long while back, her last set of instruction was her wish that I grow up and mature without her.

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I think she understands.

We have a mutual bond that I don't think will ever fade away.

But I won't allow anyone to control me or oversee every aspect of my life somehow or be so overbearing that I can't be alone.

I'll do my best in my parents and the Advisors name. That's all I can do.

Everyone who raised me or inspired something good I will use that in my approach to life. It is a way of honoring their hard work.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 Jan, 2010, 2:42am

8 Jan, 2010, 11:23pm, philliman wrote:

So did you saw them physically? Can you describe them? Hair, height, skin, eyes, dress and so on? Was there anything else why you believe in the possibility that they were maybe "just" humans?

I did not see the woman physically but I did note her presence a short time before I went to sleep.

The psychic scan on her didn't register properly. When I tried it came out partially as garbage or meaningless information.

Some little bits were about her self-identity as in body shape, gender, mental complexity, etc.

Other bits didn't register successfully or came out as non-sense garbage. Mostly I tried to feel her up mentally and checked out her psychic profile for any known identities I knew of.

As far as I know, she didn't register as nordic even though she appeared to have a human shape and configuration.

The idea crossed my mind afterwards the next morning that possibly three things took place.

A) She blocked my mental scan. (Possible, as some ET do that on occasion when they wish to keep their identity a secret.

B) The psychic scan failed to manifest properly. (Possible, but it would be the very first time since I was five where a scan failed to turn up basic info like what kind of psychic pattern an ET has.)

C) That she was very much human and therefore didn't register as an ET with all the associated psychic extensions and common configurations.

(I considered C the morning after and was a little mystified when Lily brought up the possibility as well. To my knowledge, I have never detected a human being among my group or as a part of other Foreign Groups. It would be the first time.)

I consider it likely that it was either A or B.

C seems to be unlikely as I have never noted a single human being among them. It is possible that she was blocking my scan and that my psychic abilities failed to properly perform a simple scan of her identity.

I will keep C in mind just in case though. I would be very weary if a human showed up among them.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by newyorklily on 10 Jan, 2010, 2:50am

10 Jan, 2010, 2:42am, fore wrote:

C) That she was very much human and therefore didn't register as an ET with all the associated psychic extensions and common configurations.

(I considered C the morning after and was a little mystified when Lily brought up the possibility as well. To my knowledge, I have never detected a human being among my group or as a part of other Foreign Groups. It would be the first time.)

I consider it likely that it was either A or B.

C seems to be unlikely as I have never noted a single human being among them. It is possible that she was blocking my scan and that my psychic abilities failed to properly perform a simple scan of her identity.

I will keep C in mind just in case though. I would be very weary if a human showed up among them.

Fore - What would happen if you encountered a human/alien hybrid? Would that being register as human, ET or something else?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 Jan, 2010, 3:39am

8 Jan, 2010, 12:35pm, dove wrote:

8 Jan, 2010, 3:37am, newyorklily wrote:

One thing I have learned from watching PBS programs on attraction is that people develop their patterns of attraction from basically mingling in their teens and also from what they see first hand.

In my case the cards are all screwed up on that count.

You have a uber-woman who had traits which I found attractive but which aren't found in normal women.

I also found the level of consciousness to be personally attractive in that it was always entertaining and engaging to be around her. Whereas normal human beings are very....different.

You soon begin to contrast one dynamic vs another.

You can easily guess which will look less attractive if you compare and contrast long enough.

Eventually it felt (for me) that it was like trying to seek out a relationship with a child-like woman vs an interesting and engaging woman.

It's safe to say I looked but did not really find anything that fully grabbed my attention on all levels. I had to face facts.

She and her kind are one thing, and normal people are an entirely different matter. They are slower, the thoughts are narrower, the dexderity of the range of thoughts are far less.

The best I could settle with are/were for platonic relationships with girls and then women.

The women might be physically attractive but in everything else it is completely lacking. I recall the advisor scolded me once for thinking that when she was around and told me plainly that my kind cannot display those characteristics.

So there you go.

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The second set of issues is depth of relationships.

While I can see deeply (or could until recently, I should say) into people with my veritable psychic insight.

I find that the reciprocal "nature" of a normal individual is.....seemingly just not there.

I can see, but they cannot.

Can you imagine having a relationship with a person with whom you can see their mind and feel their emotions but that they can't give you back the same kind of insight.

Total bummer.

I know that normal people reciprocate on a more fundamental eye based/body cue level but that seems so crude and limited. I sometimes wonder as I look on that normal people can even have relationships with that kind of cacoon they are born inside.

It's no wonder their spouse fools them or they can be lied to often.

Man, I cannot imagine the level of separation that people feel between one another. If it weren't for the flushing of emotions and the brain hardware doing some massive levels of interpretation.....it's like they might as well as be on two different worlds.

Initially my experiement thread was to work out some issues to see whether a counterpart could be "awakened" or activated safely enough. If the could be made to become sensitive enough to eventually reciprocate on a level closer to the ET's.

Without all the guessing.

It would be really comforting if thoughts could be shared. Emotions experienced in a real way beyond the phony brain/body interpretations built into our skull which look for signs and interprets what it thinks it means.

It would be so nice to have someone who can feel it just as I can feel it. To understand without having to say anything and to understand that person in the same way.

I guess I am a guy pining for a 4D relationship in a 3D world...LOL.

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I can't help but see the separation among people and even with my abilities almost completely shutting down, it feels like your dead or totally numb to the core.

Is this numbness of consciousness what people envy and hope for in a life?

I think my brain has already adapted for so long and with so much ESP sensory input. That inhibiting most of my psychic functions only results in my brain feeling like it is really running "blind".

When I first stopped easily feeling what was in the body and mind of someone else. I felt like a stranger in a strange land lol.

I couldn't believe it. I was looking at someone and I had NO IDEA what was going on inside them or in their own mind.

This sucks.

If people only knew how deeply disconnected they are with each other and the world around them....wow. I wonder what would happen. They would likely feel totally cheated.

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I can't help but feel unsatisfied. But cutting off your psychic appendages and hoping that somehow you'll become one more individual in the fray was my meager hope of somehow becoming a normal person.

Even if a nordic babe came down and said hi, I couldn't keep up with her. She'd be too high and too deep.

But if I go back to work shoulder to shoulder with my own people. I feel like I can't relate sufficiently. I feel wrong or somehow disabled.

The only hope is to place the excess appendages on the wooden block and cut it all off in the hopes that somehow....

[Hmm someone was apparently listening in and said something about "He's experiencing rejection" in a medical sort of sense??]

....that somehow you'll suddenly wake up and everything that doesn't belong will go away and you can rest easy. That the world you wake up to will make more sense and you'll get all those lower sentiments and feelings back and behave like one of the rest.

That you'll look at someone and desire them and you won't want more than the average experience dictates. That you will be looking at a normal life with normal expectations and the things from before will disappear and you can move on. That you'll magically fit and all your expectation will be squarely within the confines of human experience.

Blah, probably a pipe dream. I guess I am a headcase.

Like a boat in the middle of a desert you feel out of place no matter what you do.

Your right dove and lily, lying to yourself would suck.

I can now imagine the resentment and fulfillment kicking in.

It would suck to live life with virtual handcuffs on.

I feel like that square that just won't fit in the round hole. Damn those hexagons from space and their tweaking. (a joke)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 10 Jan, 2010, 4:07am

Don't knock eye-based/body-cue information gathering techniques.

Its all we got.

Sounds like someone need an avatar.... a little Zoe Saldana to your Sam Worthington.

But seriously bro.... you'll get there.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 Jan, 2010, 4:32am

10 Jan, 2010, 2:50am, newyorklily wrote:

10 Jan, 2010, 2:42am, fore wrote:

Fore - What would happen if you encountered a human/alien hybrid? Would that being register as human, ET or something else?

I actually do not know.

Good questions. If I ever meet a hybrid I will tell you what it looks and feels like.

Unfortunately, I don't recall ever meeting any hybrids or young ET. (With the exception of the advisors alleged daughters that one time.)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by newyorklily on 10 Jan, 2010, 5:31am

@Fore - Could the entities you could not read, be hybrids?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 Jan, 2010, 6:08am

10 Jan, 2010, 4:07am, dylan wrote:

Don't knock eye-based/body-cue information gathering techniques.

Its all we got.

Sounds like someone need an avatar.... a little Zoe Saldana to your Sam Worthington.

But seriously bro.... you'll get there.

I think I understood your joke.

But seriously, look at people at work and around you. Then try to picture all the information you aren't getting through your regular sight.

How would your perspective change if you could instantly know what is bothering or guiding people on the inside?

You could turn a potential unruly guy whom you have to work with into someone manageable and amicable.
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Here is small type of implication:

"Angels" & "Demons" spawning from advanced conscious awareness: Lesson 1

Lets say you wake up one day with this ability to read people. Cool eh?!

Lets say you want to abuse things and pick up a hot chick? (Demon attributes) Try getting in her head and seeing how her sentiments on men are. In a few days or a few moments you can map out her aversions and private sentiments on a range of topics. Stuff that she wouldn't share even with her own best friend in private girl talk.

Appealing to those sentiments becomes an easy situation.

You know alot about her and know what she likes and doesn't like. You can use that info to portray yourself as the ideal guy. Of course she won't know that you know that.

She is likely to act like every other human being you have met in your life. When she sees traits she likes and desires she will be attracted to it.

You'll have (if your good at reading her mind) a full index of information about her past and present mentality. A little psychology will go a long way.

Considering the culture of present day you'll have her in bed in no time.

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Ah, the next day, it felt good to take what you desired by any means.

"Good" for you? You satisfied a part of your ego and body.

Oh she wakes up and you dump her because shes "old news".

Problem:

You can feel her reel from the rejection. You can sense her grief and anger. You can feel the disappointment.

This you can keenly sense....and it is very palpable and real. It is not something that your brain sees and interprets in such a vague way. You will feel the emotions course through you as if they were your own.

You'll feel all those hidden thoughts and feelings that someone in despair thinks. Yes, including all those private thoughts as we (human beings) reflect on a negative outcome.

This is a pivot point: Angels vs Demons

Angel:
You might understand her sentiments and turn back and make amends. You might realize what a pretty individual she is beyond the skin deep facade you once only knew of.

Demon:
You may silence your sentiments and separate yourself from her thoughts on the understanding that this is strictly her problem and you were just after what you were after.

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What will you decide?

The next time you see a hot chick will your mind wrap around how great she looks on the outside? (Demon)

Or

Will you see women from another perspective? Wherein they are people just like yourself regardless of whether they have curves or not? (Angel)

Will your sentiments and advanced awareness bring you into the depths of self centered depravity?

Or will your sentiments turn to compassion and respect for other folks.

Your eyes are now open, but which do you choose? Animal instincts with advanced awareness or a healthy and fully aware individual of the consequences of ones own actions?

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That is just one "make believe" scenario that does not sound to far fetched to me.

Once you walk around enough with these abilities you get to know what really on peoples minds. Behind their closed curtain. Alot of it is very ugly.

Some of it is very inspiring.

All of it is very enlightening.

The next time you look at the back of someones head, wonder deeply how disconnected you are from them.

You should see what happens in real life when you talk to someone when you can touch on topics close to their head and heart. You'll notice many things.

One of the things I noticed that most disturbed me is that people don't actually talk openly in a real sense. They speak within a manner of social convention. They never really open up completely. They have few (if any) people around them that really understands them.

Society makes these people 'en masse'.

There are tons of issues left and right. Everywhere you can see issues that could easily be resolved if you know what needs to be done to fix it.

Unfortunately, society has numerous restrictions lathered unto it because it is built around the norm of people being pretty separate from each other.

You can't just walk up to someone and address an issue deep in their psyche. It's not allowed in a human society.

So issues remain unresolved at large. People go on carrying burdens of different kinds. And there is no acceptable way of addressing them that wouldn't require a massive number of psychics.

"To each their own." (I think that's how the motto goes.)

It's pretty sad. Pretty sad to see preventable situations and issues ebb and flow through people like an invisible cancer. To see human beings who wrestle internally between their animal half and their higher non-animal half.

To watch as the issues on their minds receives no intervention, or even a notice, because other human beings cannot see it on the surface of the skin of that person.

People who have "issues" of various different kinds. Wrestling with it silently in their own internal world.

Everyone is pretty separate. They may see each other but they really don't see one another.

If only I had a penny for every time I had seen the thoughts of someone who needed specific kinds of education or some sort of correction and guidance.

Wow, I would be pretty rich right now.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 Jan, 2010, 6:29am

10 Jan, 2010, 5:31am, newyorklily wrote:

@Fore - Could the entities you could not read, be hybrids?

It's possible.

But then again, I might have read a ton of hybrids before in the people I currently know of.

I would need instructions from the advisor to help me figure out what is a hybrid pattern and what is not.

I'd need her to give me some pointers.

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Like I have met many Greys who belong to the same basic "psychic family" signature or pattern. Some of them are what I call "Variants" on a basic theme of a psychic signature.

But there is no real comparison.

The easiest indicator for human hybrids would be that they probably share "very human" traits?

I don't recall anyone who has off the top of my head.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 10 Jan, 2010, 6:55am

On relationships, it could always be worse Fore. You could be one of the many people who are seriously considering purchasing a sex robot, exposing one of the more blatant symptoms of disconnectedness.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 10 Jan, 2010, 7:35am

Fore,

I am a firm believer in the duality of man.

I believe in being able to be super perceptive; what some may call psychic, but one of the first steps on that road for me(and i am no where near the end, I am barely even perceptive) was the realization that people are never as simple as we describe them, and the fabric of social interaction is always far more complex. Words can never do our ideas and interpretations of these things justice.

Jung was big on the duality of man, how thoughts and subsequent actions arise not from a single point of emotion, but many many differing and in fact opposing factors...

In this way I look at social perceptibility.

And it becomes harder and harder to sense dis-connectivity.

With the slight and incremental advances in perceptibility follows ungleaned ways that people were communicating with each other. It was always going on, but you didn't see it until now. And O the complexities, enough to fill ten life times with postulation. My head would splode if I were psychic.

Its really discouraging to hear someone talk like you. You just got to get out there and live life. You'll get there.

My advice would be to ante up again. It seems like you are becoming more and more isolated. Less and less in touch. If you've got to have empty relationships with people, as a substitute for a lack of deep and meaningful relationships... so be it.

Hell, I was in the exact same boat as you, talking about girls... which I suspect is a pretty important point for you... and I'd seriously like to give you a piece of advice.

Relationships don't mean spit. This girl, that girl. I know all you women out there might get offended, but honestly... the only thing of profit that I could get nowhere but from a beautiful girl was not the fleeting sublimity that we all chase during a certain stage in our lives... no, it wasn't that, it was certain little bits about my own self I could not have discovered if but for them.

So go get out there.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 10 Jan, 2010, 8:25am

10 Jan, 2010, 6:08am, fore wrote:

If only I had a penny for every time I had seen the thoughts of someone who needed specific kinds of education or some sort of correction and guidance.

Wow, I would be pretty rich right now.

Also, think on it this way, if you were helping people in this manner then you would become popular for you analysis and guidance.

As time went on you would attract people who wanted to help with the good work you were doing, some of these people would be female.

Eventually you would come across someone who respected you, loved you beyond the shallow end of the spectrum etc.

With those people working around you all the time I would expect that some of them would gradually become elevated in ability like yourself. As more time goes on the group would be able to spread their wisdom and guidance, and you would not feel alone.

It's just a thought, but I've found that if you cannot find the group of people you need, create the group. There is a classic line "God helps those who help themselves", or don't wait for someone else to make everything happen for you.

If you were interested I have been toying for a long time with making a society, that its purpose would be the betterment of mankind through psychic means is purely co-incidental

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by stal on 10 Jan, 2010, 1:24pm

10 Jan, 2010, 6:08am, fore wrote:

10 Jan, 2010, 4:07am, dylan wrote:

one of the best posts you've done lately, for my money anyway.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 Jan, 2010, 8:05pm

10 Jan, 2010, 7:35am, dylan wrote:

Relationships don't mean spit. This girl, that girl. I know all you women out there might get offended, but honestly... the only thing of profit that I could get nowhere but from a beautiful girl was not the fleeting sublimity that we all chase during a certain stage in our lives... no, it wasn't that, it was certain little bits about my own self I could not have discovered if but for them.

So go get out there.

I am somewhat surprised that you claim to be so low on the psychic scale.

Your psychic profile shows some interesting tid bits a long time ago when I first read it.

Your intelligent and intellectual orientated in some degree. You have an active psychic profile but I do not sense any previous alien activity to incur it.

Best guess? Paranormal dabbling or interactions.

I do not consider you "functional" in the psychic sense. But your signature shows that you are in a receptive configuration nonetheless.

Your psychic profile doesn't turn out that way from growing up in a normal environment. At least that much I know.

Your mind is usually geared towards negative or dry understandings coated with an intellectual backdrop or conveyance.

Your expressed thoughts are consistent with your profile.

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To answer your post, you don't seem like a happy camper dylan.

In the above paragraph you are echoing negative sentiments towards others of the female variety.

For that reason, I hope you stay non-functional in the psychic sense. Do you understand why I am holding to that sentiment?

It's not to pick a fight or anything, it's just that I hoped you would come to accept that everyone you interact with is like a different "you".

It is to the best of my knowledge....very rare....that anyone would subject themselves to physical or emotional harm for anothers entertainment.

While I understand your sentiments, I hope you realize that the ultimate "net gain" effect from your sentiments is a world with problems.

I understand if you differ on this. But it is a reality that cannot be denied. Unless....you meet a masochistic gal who enjoys being mistreated.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 10 Jan, 2010, 8:09pm

Fore: An old sicilian proverb, when it comes to women (i grew up with this one)

your perfect woman will drive you insane, and settling for one who is too imperfect will make you a prisoner, choose one in between, and you will find love.

The above may very well apply to many other things in life.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 Jan, 2010, 8:51pm

@ dylan

I'd also like you to understand that what constitutes a "relationship" for me, differs from what people consider a "relationship" for them.

They look alike but they aren't.

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In UFOlogy lingo it's the difference between a 4D relationship and a 3D relationship.

Human beings in their normal form are missing "extensions" that are present in other kinds of ET life.

The concept of an established relationship in our culture is often considerably more shallow (and many times it is therefore fragile) compared to what I am talking about.

While physical bonding is a significant part of what human relationships are about.

In the type of relationship I am accustomed to, the things you can't see are where the difference exists.

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Having a romp with someone is going to get old very fast when your in a frame of mind and experience as what I am describing.

The only reason (from observing) that people in their teens and twenties get absorbed by the physical aspects of sex for a long time is seemingly because their bodies, brains, and cognition are so often limited to such a level that...."it fills their cup".

On the other hand, try having a romp when you can peer into someone easily by just being near them (with your clothes on) and then compare it to physically touching and see if you enjoy it for very long.

You'll see more than you want to and experience more about the person than you'd care to.

Romps would be pretty short lived in their level of fascination.

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Whereas a normal young adult will be absorbed by it for decades or even a better part of their life.

There is a unique level of ignorance in standard ordinary people that allows them to enjoy that sort of stuff. Theirs heads are close to kissing the ground. That dynamic they keep in themselves is very "low" and it requires a vast ignorance in their cognition.

Grab one of those young adults. Expose them to psychic fields until they are really aware of the world around them and the people in it.

Then let them loose like doves.

Watch as their perspectives change drastically and they may not enjoy the same things or people they used to.

They might possibly have a romp out of necessity, but I wonder if they would still enjoy any ole' person. That knowing and peering deeply into a person at a glance breaks that youthful ignorance very quickly.

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If people really knew whom they slept with on a daily basis....wow....now that would qualify as a societal WMD.

Domestic problems abound.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 10 Jan, 2010, 9:23pm

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Today at 2:07am, dylan wrote:Don't knock eye-based/body-cue information gathering techniques.

Its all we got.

Sounds like someone need an avatar.... a little Zoe Saldana to your Sam Worthington.

But seriously bro.... you'll get there.

I think I understood your joke.

But seriously, look at people at work and around you. Then try to picture all the information you aren't getting through your regular sight.

How would your perspective change if you could instantly know what is bothering or guiding people on the inside?

You could turn a potential unruly guy whom you have to work with into someone manageable and amicable.
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Here is small type of implication:

"Angels" & "Demons" spawning from advanced conscious awareness: Lesson 1

Lets say you wake up one day with this ability to read people. Cool eh?!

Lets say you want to abuse things and pick up a hot chick? (Demon attributes) Try getting in her head and seeing how her sentiments on men are. In a few days or a few moments you can map out her aversions and private sentiments on a range of topics. Stuff that she wouldn't share even with her own best friend in private girl talk.

Appealing to those sentiments becomes an easy situation.

You know alot about her and know what she likes and doesn't like. You can use that info to portray yourself as the ideal guy. Of course she won't know that you know that.

She is likely to act like every other human being you have met in your life. When she sees traits she likes and desires she will be attracted to it.

You'll have (if your good at reading her mind) a full index of information about her past and present mentality. A little psychology will go a long way.

Considering the culture of present day you'll have her in bed in no time.

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Ah, the next day, it felt good to take what you desired by any means.

"Good" for you? You satisfied a part of your ego and body.

Oh she wakes up and you dump her because shes "old news".

Problem:

You can feel her reel from the rejection. You can sense her grief and anger. You can feel the disappointment.

This you can keenly sense....and it is very palpable and real. It is not something that your brain sees and interprets in such a vague way. You will feel the emotions course through you as if they were your own.

You'll feel all those hidden thoughts and feelings that someone in despair thinks. Yes, including all those private thoughts as we (human beings) reflect on a negative outcome.

This is a pivot point: Angels vs Demons

Angel:
You might understand her sentiments and turn back and make amends. You might realize what a pretty individual she is beyond the skin deep facade you once only knew of.

Demon:
You may silence your sentiments and separate yourself from her thoughts on the understanding that this is strictly her problem and you were just after what you were after.

Crossroads. Maybe this is part of that choosing sides thing that people keep talking about. The shift or whatever.

Quote:

Having a romp with someone is going to get old very fast when your in a frame of mind and experience as what I am describing.

The only reason (from observing) that people in their teens and twenties get absorbed by the physical aspects of sex for a long time is seemingly because their bodies, brains, and cognition are so often limited to such a level that...."it fills their cup".

On the other hand, try having a romp when you can peer into someone easily by just being near them (with your clothes on) and then compare it to physically touching and see if you enjoy it for very long.

You'll see more than you want to and experience more about the person than you'd care to.

Romps would be pretty short lived in their level of fascination.

I understand what you mean. Although probably not even close to what you experienced, but the feeling and reading thing- yeah I sometimes get that with someone I'm really connected. At one time I could talk on MSN to this person and sense their presence as if they were in the room with me. I could send them "love" and they claimed to feel it. I could feel their emotions from a thousand miles away sometimes.

I could never read their minds though- mostly just feelings. Even then I don't know if I was ever right as I never asked them. Either way I understand what you wrote about even if I haven't experienced the level of depth that you have.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 10 Jan, 2010, 9:34pm

10 Jan, 2010, 9:23pm, dreamoftheiris wrote:

Empathy sometimes comes before mind reading/telepathy. Not always, of course, but having an empathic connection with someone is a good way to begin telepathy with them.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by meret on 10 Jan, 2010, 10:06pm

The relationship talk is interesting! I think fore, you are exactly right-if I understand correctly.

Younger people engage in activities that are all about their bodies, all about procreating. The choices they make in partners is about attraction and compatibility but in a very fragile and shallow way. Despite the fact that it does not feel shallow to them but emotionally encompassing. I suppose it is necessary biologically that we pair up and make babies and that is the whole point. After child bearing age there is less interest in pairing up for "love" but the same time feeling disappointment "love " was never achieved. There is a lot of staying together for the children stuff that is depressing. It is never right. For myself, I am single and for many years have never met a man that was remotely interesting, I cannot be bothered with the game any more. In the past I have had my share of attempts at it and as a result raised a child as a single mom. The relationship with my daughter is more important to me than any relationship I have ever had. She knows me better than any husband or boyfriend ever did and loves me unconditionally for who I am and not what I do for her or if I am pretty enough. So I guess the love you are looking for is possible to find but maybe not in the way expected! I don't mean to have a child to love, I just mean love the one you're with as the song goes.

hmm, don't know if I have expressed myself very well, but I tried.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by jakereason on 10 Jan, 2010, 10:21pm

7 Jan, 2010, 4:10pm, fore wrote:

Then he flashed information on a mental representation of statistics on how many people still believe my story.

I believe you

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by hrtbeat7 on 10 Jan, 2010, 11:28pm

Good Day, Fore!

The old song, "Looking For Love In All The Wrong Places" comes to mind. Actually, there are more awake people on the planet now then there have been in quite some time, but their numbers are still statistically insignificant. Most people are by nature sound asleep, or "numb" as you intuited. Whether that will change much in the course of coming events is hard to say, but regardless, there are a few here in this realm with open eyes, and I say this from experience, since I have been fortunate enough to not only meet several, but to have found one that qualifies as my "Twin Flame". So yes, it is possible to nurture as you say a 4-D relationship here in 3-D land, and even beyond 4-D. In fact, there's nothing I could recommend more enthusiastically!

You should also know that there are fledgling communities developing around this "place" where folks are systematically waking up. These communities may be associated with esoteric schools (such as Zen Buddhism, Sufism, Tantric Yoga, etc), but not with the traditional religious communities so much, so skip the organized religion sheeple for the most part.

Now, please understand that when I use the term "awakening", I am not referring to psychic activation (which may or may not be an accompanying phenomena), nor am I referring to some new age feel good state of bliss, nor to some extraordinary revelation about visitors from other realms, etc., nor to "siddhis". True awakening is the necessary and preliminary condition for full enlightenment - a most rare but still possible achievement in this realm.

Here's a little something on the subject that might help to clarify:

The Heart of Relationship

Awakening to the truth of perfect Unity, means to awaken from the
dream of a personal self and personal others to the realization that
there is no other. Many spiritual seekers have had glimpses of the
absolute unity of all existence, but few are capable of or willing to
live up to the many challenging implications inherent in that
revelation. The revelation of perfect unity, that there is no other,
is a realization of the ultimate impersonality of all that seems to
be so very personal. Applying this realization to the arena of
personal relationships is something that most seekers find extremely
challenging, and is the number one reason why so many seekers never
come completely to rest in the freedom of the Self Absolute.

Inherent in the revelation of perfect unity is the realization that
there is no personal me, no personal other, and therefore no personal
relationships. Coming to terms with the challenging implications of
this stunning realization is something that few people are willing to
do. Because realizing the true impersonality of all that seems so
personal, challenges every aspect of the illusion of a separate,
personal self. It challenges the entire structure of personal
relationships which are born of needs, wants, and expectations. It is
in the arena of personal relationships that the illusion of a
separate self clings most tenaciously and insidiously. Indeed, there
is nothing that derails more spiritual seekers than the grasping at
and attaching to personal relationships.

The revelation of perfect unity reveals the true impersonality of all
relationships. The ego always interprets "impersonal" as meaning
cold, distant, and aloof. However, "impersonal" simply means not
personal, or void of a separate me and a separate you. The mind
cannot comprehend of a relationship without separate entities. Much
as a character in a dream cannot comprehend that all other dream
characters are simply manifestations of the same dreamer. Yet when
the dreamer awakens, he instantly comprehends that the entire dream,
and all the characters in it, were none other than projections of his
own self. In the dream there is the appearance of separate, personal
entities in relationship, but upon awakening one comprehends the
impersonal (non-separate) Self that is the source of all appearances.

To deeply inquire into the question "Who is another?" can lead to the
direct experience that the other is one's own Self-that in fact there
is no other. However, I have seen that for most seekers, even this
direct experiential revelation is not enough to transform the
painfully personal ways they relate. To come to this profound
transformation requires a very deep investigation into the
implications inherent within the experiential revelation that there
is no other. It is in the daily living of these implications that
most seekers fail. Why? Because, fundamentally, most people want to
remain separate and in control. Simply put, most people want to keep
dreaming that they are special, unique, and separate, more than they
want to wake up to the perfect unity of an Unknown which leaves no
room from any separation from the whole.

There is a powerful tendency in most spiritual seekers to avoid
probing deeply into the implications inherent within profound
spiritual experience and revelation, because these implications are
always threatening to the sense of a separate self, or ego. It is the
implications inherent within profound spiritual revelation that
demand the transformation of the apparent individual.

Inherent within the revelation of perfect unity is the realization
that there is no other. The implications of this realization reveal
that in order to manifest that unity in the relative world, one must
renounce the dream of being a separate self seeking to obtain
anything through relationship with another. Indeed, personal
relationship appears to happen in the relative world, but in reality,
all appearances simply arise as temporary manifestations of a unified
whole. In the relative world these appearances are in relationship,
but not as separate entities. Rather, they are the play of the one
Self projecting itself as apparent entities in relationship to one
another.

As long as you identify yourself with the projection of separateness,
you will continue to deny that you are the Source of all projections.
When you truly and absolutely awaken to this fact, and comprehend the
overwhelming implications inherent within this awakening, you will
continually experience that all apparently personal relationships are
in truth nothing other than the play of your Self. To realize that
the personal me is an illusion born of false identification with the
body, thoughts, and emotions, brings a profound sense of freedom.
This is fundamentally the realization of emptiness, of what you are
not. But contained within the realization of emptiness (formlessness)
is also the realization of what you ARE. In the most absolute sense
you ARE this conscious emptiness which is the source of all
appearances (existence). But you are the appearance as well. Not just
one part of the appearance called "me", but all of it, the entire
whole. This is the challenge, to let your view get this vast. To let
your view get so vast that your identity disappears. Then you realize
that there is no other, and there is nothing personal going on.

Contrary to the way the ego will view such a realization, it is in
reality the birth of true love. A love which is free of all
boundaries and fear. To the ego such uncontaminated love is
unbearable in its intimacy. When there is no clear separating
boundaries and nothing to gain the ego becomes disinterested, angry,
or frightened. In a love where there is no other there is nowhere to
hide, no one to control, and nothing to gain. It is the coming
together of appearances in the beautiful dance of love.

To the seeker who is sincere, an experiential glimpse of this
possibility is not enough. If you are sincere you will find it within
yourself to go far beyond any glimpse. You will find within yourself
the courage to let go of the known and dive deeply into the Unknown
heart of a mystery that calls you only to itself.

~ Adyashanti

Blessings!

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 16 Jan, 2010, 9:43am

16 Jan, 2010, 8:08am, wildmage wrote:

First off thanx Brother Arvin, ...Namaste

@ fore

I have been reading many of your recent post, and feel that perhaps a little perspective from how i feel when reading your posts is due.

I always welcome it.

16 Jan, 2010, 8:08am, wildmage wrote:

I have read your thread, at least twice and some sections of it many more times then that. I have also read many many of your post on various topics.

These do provide some level of insight, however the later post are much harder to read. This is not due to influence, it is specifically because in the middle of the information flow there is a hard stop.

i.e <snip> "being told to stop".

As a reader I prefer continuity, if a concept is being explained or if I have a set expectation that a concept will be explained, then i look forward to it being explained. To get half a concept and then told the other half is too sensitive renders the information provided ultimately useless. This is due to the level of speculation needed to extrapolate what the missing pieces may or may not be.

That was probably the intent of some observers in my group.

If you bring up the posts I will fill in the blanks.

But....and there is always a but....don't expect me to be able to overcome the restrictions on a daily basis.

I'd like to live a very healthy life until my old age. So lets not tempt fate every Tuesday.

There is no fear or pressure or sense of let this go, actually i do look forward to your posts, and there are tidbits here and there that are extremely useful. I do sincerely hope you see the above as constructive. Either way I will continue to read your posts, even if they do have mental hiccups in them

I just hope they don't visit you with a cattle probe. LOL.

I would like to see what happens when you start pointing out dozens of "restricted topic" posts to receive the missing info. You might want to get pontif or someone else you trust to take your place after a few.

16 Jan, 2010, 8:08am, wildmage wrote:

BTW, I do understand the value behind recording the incident at the point of occurrence, it is however highly distracting. It is also a break in the readers train of thought when grokking what it is you are trying to relay to them. So in essence it serves multiple purposes well beyond it being just a warning for you to stop. For some who can read and place themselves within the explanation and feel it this serves as a break point in concentration.

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it is sim oh look the butterfly to an attention def is that red disorder.
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I am slowly learning to skip the break points and flow around them, re-balance and reconnect as needed in a much smoother manner then when initially attempting to get thru one of your posts. I am certain however new readers to the material unless completely disconnected from it, have a hard time with it also.

I won't be putting it out there or I will put it at the very end and people will have to figure it out somehow.

I'll figure it out somehow or plainly remove it and hope people are very intuitive about what goes on behind the scenes.

16 Jan, 2010, 8:08am, wildmage wrote:

There is another level that you keep out of your material I do not know if this is on purpose or simply due to a lack of ability to express it into words. I have come to call it the hidden layer, the layer you either are refusing to express, or do not currently understand how to express.

It's proportionally more of refusing for practical reasons than it is for the reason of not knowing how to express it.

There are various topics where I could fill up several pages worth if I went over them with every sinctilla of info I possess on the subject.

But then....people wouldn't have numerous understandings in their own mind to understand the context of the material that was shared with me.

Put it this way, when I talk to ET's there is a different "level" of interactions and depth. When I talk to a human being, its something entirely different.

People have one set of understandings and the ET's I interact with have another.

Placing 100% of the information implies that a person must understand hundreds if not thousands of associated topics that normal people and average experiencers have not much understanding or experience with.

So for practical reasons, I put out the simple version that is a median understanding for everyone involved. When i think the people reading might not understand what is being said, I add definitions for words and/or links to help them out in grasping it.

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Other topics are restricted by my group in the fine grain of details. They barely tolerate the simple version. I would probably die of a sudden heart attack if I probably attempted to get down and dirty with alot of the details.

I know that sounds like fantasy, but think about everything I have to put up with in playing this game of leaking out my story in measured doses.

As the level of details goes up, the ET's I deal have a well established understanding about the risk of what happens when people read this stuff. That anyone reading will get information that is going to affect them in certain ways (change mental/emotional/cognitive dynamics etc).

They have a general interest to keep that discomfort/informative level within a certain range. Mostly what you guys have heard of and some tidbits.

Pass that comfortable threshold and going into deeper details and nuances of various related variances between experiencers (knowledge from the advisor by the way) and they get VERY antsy.

They get very threatening and personally visit to give me all sorts of unwanted troubles with fright, persuasions and even pain if I resist.

I'd be stepping outside their comfort levels.

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I don't want to wear out their tolerance. Every day it gets thinner. So I would rather not tempt fate. (yet I always do)

I could cover dozens of aspects that I have never seen (yet) in experiencers. But its a troublesome relationship.

16 Jan, 2010, 8:08am, wildmage wrote:

For lack of a better definition what you put down is reserved and conservative and it shows a higher level of restraint then it normally should. It may be by design and then again it might not be.

Your surprisingly very perceptive. I didn't think anyone would really notice.

16 Jan, 2010, 8:08am, wildmage wrote:

My own writing by design is much too liberal to be of any serious value. In contrast in reading and grasping your intentions as stated then there is an expectation set, that the material presented will provide the full experience, unrestrained and with a complete explanation.

My current expectation is simply that you will explain the concept up to the current perceptual understanding boundary, in as much as the readers already have a conceptual understanding of what is being explained. No new information, wherein a perceptual change in value for the reader is to be provided, crossing this line it would appear is taboo. So it is more along the lines of a reminder then new construct.

Two different agendas at play.

My latest desire to express something vs their long standing stance on silence and perpetuated ignorance.

If push comes to shove, they will shove. I don't doubt it.

Just bring the incomplete posts to my attention. I will fill in the gaps but be aware the ire of some ET's will be out at full force.

They will have two people to target. The person disseminating the info and the person who encourages it. They usually strike out at both so be weary of how frequently we mess with them. There is always a risk in this game.

Don't be all too surprised if the entire topic disappears or the server suddenly loses it's information.

They take these things pretty seriously at times.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 16 Jan, 2010, 10:16am

16 Jan, 2010, 9:43am, fore wrote:

16 Jan, 2010, 8:08am, wildmage wrote:

First off thanx Brother Arvin, ...Namaste

@ fore

I have been reading many of your recent post, and feel that perhaps a little perspective from how i feel when reading your posts is due.

I always welcome it.

That was probably the intent of some observers in my group.

If you bring up the posts I will fill in the blanks.

But....and there is always a but....don't expect me to be able to overcome the restrictions on a daily basis.

I'd like to live a very healthy life until my old age. So lets not tempt fate every Tuesday.

But I agree with you. I did not realize that it was harder to read the later parts. I will fill it in and (God willing) try to keep people from guessing.

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One thing though, there are topics that are deeply restricted in my group. There are topics that might be "off the table" and if so, I will say so plainly and explain why.

But I will try to get away with it as best as I can.

I will also stop notifying people as to what is causing a bad reaction. You'll just have to read between the lines and figure it out on your own when I am not doing so well as a consequence.

I just hope they don't visit you with a cattle probe. LOL.

I would like to see what happens when you start pointing out dozens of "restricted topic" posts to receive the missing info. You might want to get pontif or someone else you trust to take your place after a few.

I won't be putting it out there or I will put it at the very end and people will have to figure it out somehow.

I'll figure it out somehow or plainly remove it and hope people are very intuitive about what goes on behind the scenes.

It's proportionally more of refusing for practical reasons than it is for the reason of not knowing how to express it.

There are various topics where I could fill up several pages worth if I went over them with every sinctilla of info I possess on the subject.

But then....people wouldn't have numerous understandings in their own mind to understand the context of the material that was shared with me.

Put it this way, when I talk to ET's there is a different "level" of interactions and depth. When I talk to a human being, its something entirely different.

People have one set of understandings and the ET's I interact with have another.

Placing 100% of the information implies that a person must understand hundreds if not thousands of associated topics that normal people and average experiencers have not much understanding or experience with.

So for practical reasons, I put out the simple version that is a median understanding for everyone involved. When i think the people reading might not understand what is being said, I add definitions for words and/or links to help them out in grasping it.

-------------------------------------

Other topics are restricted by my group in the fine grain of details. They barely tolerate the simple version. I would probably die of a sudden heart attack if I probably attempted to get down and dirty with alot of the details.

I know that sounds like fantasy, but think about everything I have to put up with in playing this game of leaking out my story in measured doses.

As the level of details goes up, the ET's I deal have a well established understanding about the risk of what happens when people read this stuff. That anyone reading will get information that is going to affect them in certain ways (change mental/emotional/cognitive dynamics etc).

They have a general interest to keep that discomfort/informative level within a certain range. Mostly what you guys have heard of and some tidbits.

Pass that comfortable threshold and going into deeper details and nuances of various related variances between experiencers (knowledge from the advisor by the way) and they get VERY antsy.

They get very threatening and personally visit to give me all sorts of unwanted troubles with fright, persuasions and even pain if I resist.

I'd be stepping outside their comfort levels.

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I don't want to wear out their tolerance. Every day it gets thinner. So I would rather not tempt fate. (yet I always do)

I could cover dozens of aspects that I have never seen (yet) in experiencers. But its a troublesome relationship.

Your surprisingly very perceptive. I didn't think anyone would really notice.

16 Jan, 2010, 8:08am, wildmage wrote:

Surprisingly it may show where my own limitations or boundaries are. Alternately it removes limitations on your end, and pushes the boundary into something this forum has been waiting for.

It should be interesting to see, where things go.
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Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 16 Jan, 2010, 10:44am

@ Pontif

At 2:41am 30 seconds~ (Central Time) I heard someone say my online name. A male voice. Consistent with your particular pattern.

Remember what you did in the last psychic set around this time and keep it in mind for further study..

Edit: 2:47am Second spike of unintelligible bits.

Edit: 2:48am~2:49am I can feel faint connections taking place but I am noticing that it is decreasing in strength rapidly. (Maybe you don't have enough stamina? (a joke)

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The first one had bits of info about a bed and laying on it as if thinking aloud. Probably random tries.

The second had info about seemingly trying to adjust the gain. I felt a tugging intensity near/inside my "third eye" region.

Third try barely any connections being received and is nearly inaudible.

Dunno what you did recently, but the first time was pretty good.

I want you to keep an eye on a specific phenomena in you log book if you have one. Note down if there is any temporal offset to these observations. I have my reasons for asking your to keep an eye out for this kind of offset.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 16 Jan, 2010, 12:02pm

let's start here

Quote:

That means that when an ET wants to run a mind scan.

He first has to push the individuals "interconnect centers" into a intensified state. That creates abnormal pressure build up or varied responses in tissues.

Then the ET has to initialize and cycle the field to the proper configuration. This can be done remotely.

[Been warned twice already!]

As the psychic field intensifies and reconfigures under an ET's control. It creates the common anomalies you all have seen me talk about.

Headaches .

Blood pressure spikes,

Tinnitus (once the fields start to emanate just around the periphery of the head)

Internal sensations of pressures in the chest, spine, neck, and finally head. (not always in that order).

Ect.

It is all low level side-effects of micro-PK. (that is my best understanding at this time)

Can you explain what you mean by intensified state?

How does ET push the interconnect centers?

Can you elaborate on what the interconnect centers are?

What do you mean by "cycle the field to the proper configuration"

Can you elaborate on a proper configuration?

How is this proper configuration different from a normal or average psychic field?

How would this be accomplished remotely?

How does the psychic field come under the ET's control?

How is this field reconfigured?

How is this tied into Micro PK?

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Answer what you can and I have no problem with a "No Comment" on the ones that would break any type of fiduciary or confidential agreements you hold with your contacts. Hopefully a No Comment is an acceptable alternative to those who watch. Alternately I am flexible to any suggetion provided in lieu of disclosing specific or sensitive information.

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WM

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 16 Jan, 2010, 12:27pm

@ Wm

As of 15minutes ago or so, they are aware of the questions. Like montalk, you know where to go to really get under their collective skins.

Some of the questions I can only answer based on personal experience. Some of them in general.

Let me get some rest and figure out how to answer those questions in the best possible way.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 16 Jan, 2010, 12:29pm

16 Jan, 2010, 10:44am, fore wrote:

@ Pontif

At 2:41am 30 seconds~ (Central Time) I heard someone say my online name. A male voice. Consistent with your particular pattern.

Remember what you did in the last psychic set around this time and keep it in mind for further study..

Edit: 2:47am Second spike of unintelligible bits.

Edit: 2:48am~2:49am I can feel faint connections taking place but I am noticing that it is decreasing in strength rapidly. (Maybe you don't have enough stamina? (a joke)

===============================================

The first one had bits of info about a bed and laying on it as if thinking aloud. Probably random tries.

The second had info about seemingly trying to adjust the gain. I felt a tugging intensity near/inside my "third eye" region.

Third try barely any connections being received and is nearly inaudible.

Dunno what you did recently, but the first time was pretty good.

I want you to keep an eye on a specific phenomena in you log book if you have one. Note down if there is any temporal offset to these observations. I have my reasons for asking your to keep an eye out for this kind of offset.

Time being an abstract, I understand the point here. I am not 100% sure if I have attempted that yet

I have had a pretty wild amount of pressure changes for the last hour or so, I'll see about getting it coherent and sending you some unambiguous thoughts if I can.

I will be testing quite a variety to see what can be transmitted, so you may get a full range of offensive words as well as test cases, emotions ranging from the normal to the pretty disturbing [ depending on what I can do ].

During the day tried a combination of direct link, second direct link plus sides of head, third was direct link with inverted side links [ think right connected to left ]. This may not be the correct test though, and it could be backwards in "time".

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 16 Jan, 2010, 12:40pm

16 Jan, 2010, 12:02pm, wildmage wrote:

How does ET push the interconnect centers?

Can you elaborate on what the interconnect centers are?

Do you mean more than what was explained in the testing thread? He spoke of those a bit over there, starting on page 11 and continuing for several pages.

{edit to add: the illustrations are on page 14)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 16 Jan, 2010, 12:41pm

My interpretations while I've not been spotted. As Dove says, check that testing thread, its very comprehensive.

16 Jan, 2010, 12:02pm, wildmage wrote:

let's start here

Quote:

Can you explain what you mean by intensified state?

The user has a larger amount of influence at his/her disposal leading to a more "intense feeling", in this contect more influence is being expelled to the exterior of the psychic body

How does ET push the interconnect centers?

The beings mere presence will cause the interconnect centers to start opening up more + clearing of shards of contamination [ this IS painful ], it is a consequence of their extreme influence fields [ which they limit as they could very well accidentally kill you ]

Can you elaborate on what the interconnect centers are?

Points on the Psychic body to which the higher mind connects [ the higher mind uses the psychic body to control the physical body ]

What do you mean by "cycle the field to the proper configuration"

The influence pours out of the psychic body, and the ET causes it to synchronize with their own, allowing them to manipulate the psychic body, and in turn the physical body

Can you elaborate on a proper configuration?

Errr, no, but the one that visited me had this thing for a field of overwhelming honor.

How is this proper configuration different from a normal or average psychic field?

It would be coherent and pliable, not random or imperfectly formed.

How would this be accomplished remotely?
distance and time are abstracts, if the ET affects you then they are merely using their field to affect yours [think of telepathy a moment, its a line of association thing]

How does the psychic field come under the ET's control?

They overwhelm the field of the human, causing it to mimic theirs. As a normal human usually cannot tell what is or is not their thoughts, its mission accomplished.

How is this field reconfigured?

Their field overlaps yours, or you "tell" your field what parameters it is following. Again, I am not fully 100% able to do this properly yet.

How is this tied into Micro PK?

your higher mind controls the psychic body, and the influence that is uses causes micro PK in the human brain and other interconnect points. It allows the higher mind to control the human avatar via proxy.

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Answer what you can and I have no problem with a "No Comment" on the ones that would break any type of fiduciary or confidential agreements you hold with your contacts. Hopefully a No Comment is an acceptable alternative to those who watch. Alternately I am flexible to any suggetion provided in lieu of disclosing specific or sensitive information.

----

WM

The main thing about PSI abilities are that they are a consequence of the psychic body releasing influence into the surrounding environment. It affects the physics of the local area, and as the field intensifies it is felt as an increase in pressure on various points of the head and body.

A few key areas are the top of the head with 5 connections [ 3 left, 2 right ], the sides of the head with two, the central forehead seems to have one. There are some near the shoulder-blades, one at each wrist and so on, I do not know all locations.

Increasing the output of influence will increase the total amount of your psychic ability, and then something will definitely come sniffing around to eat that influence, like a ghost or demon.

That is where most people go wrong, as they don't expect things like that. If you prepare, and know how to retract the field, then things will be better.

I have not heard of any anti-Demon dimensional tear abilities, killing abilities, or simple conversion abilities from Fore [it is possible he is not able to discuss this, or does not know ].

I do know the advisor did attack one once, and she was attacked in turn to the point she was rather ill for quite a while. This suggests a human will not win such a battle, unless they have higher help or a PSI level weapon of an as of yet indescribable nature.

As the influence increases to very high levels the lower mind will start getting direct access to the higher mind as the filters between the psychic body and the higher mind break down. Understand this is not something the human body was designed to handle.

Just my 2c, and Fore will correct the bits I've gone AWOL on.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 16 Jan, 2010, 12:50pm

16 Jan, 2010, 9:43am, fore wrote:

Before I read your post, but after reading WM's, I was thinking this very thing; that you could just add a note to the end of your posts relaying that you were warned about such-and-such at whatever point.

I, too, find it to be a bit distracting (albeit amusing, sometimes) when you add in the "just been warned to stop" statements, and feel as though this is sometimes done on purpose, to deflect and confuse. Not on your part, of course, but rather something that is from them (and you fulfill their wishes, perhaps not even realizing that they are doing it).

It's perfectly fine to tell people when phenomenon like that is happening; as you say, it gives people an idea of which topics are obviously taboo (since they're warning you). Perhaps a little more subtlety? Or again, just adding a comment at the end would probably suffice.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by hazuka on 16 Jan, 2010, 5:24pm

maybe the taboo stuff aren't the paragraphs where the warning is.

It might be more effective actually, as a distraction, to say that the innofensive stuff is taboo and the offensive one is not.
Because naturally you will (well... i do at least) get more attracted by the paragraph where there is a warning (sometimes i wasn't paying much attention to what I ve read and then there is warning bit line which track me back to 100% attention)

It's like this kind of manipulation (conversation between two friends, there is 2 cake in the store)
- oh this cake looks soo good, I m sure it tastes marvelous, much more than this cake with it s funny look ! Don't take it before me it s the last one !
- I m first to choose !

- nooo ! please !!
*
- can i have the good looking cake ?
- bastard ! I ll take the other one then...
*
- how is you're cake ?
- it has a funny look but it tastes marvelous

, how s yours ?
- it is comestible.
- Gotcha ! I knew you would choose the one I wanted just for fun, so i mislead you ! I ve tried both sometimes ago and yours is definitely not good !
- haha well, pay attention, this trick might not work twice ; D
- yeah, but it worked here

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 16 Jan, 2010, 8:52pm

I'm going to work my way back here

16 Jan, 2010, 5:24pm, hazuka wrote:

maybe the taboo stuff aren't the paragraphs where the warning is.

It might be more effective actually, as a distraction, to say that the innofensive stuff is taboo and the offensive one is not.
Because naturally you will (well... i do at least) get more attracted by the paragraph where there is a warning (sometimes i wasn't paying much attention to what I ve read and then there is warning bit line which track me back to 100% attention)

It's like this kind of manipulation (conversation between two friends, there is 2 cake in the store)
- oh this cake looks soo good, I m sure it tastes marvelous, much more than this cake with it s funny look ! Don't take it before me it s the last one !
- I m first to choose !

- nooo ! please !!
*
- can i have the good looking cake ?
- bastard ! I ll take the other one then...
*
- how is you're cake ?
- it has a funny look but it tastes marvelous

Quite perceptive Hazuka, but until we actually deconstruct a few things or i.e taste both cakes we really will not know what is, or is not, to make a proper determination. As mentioned once a person is aware of what both cakes taste like in general they do not get tricked again. <<--- I do recognized there are exceptions, aspects and scenario modifiers that would allow the trick to be repeated indefinitely.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 16 Jan, 2010, 9:09pm

I will hop to this first, then tackle Ponti's post because it will be a two maybe three part response.

16 Jan, 2010, 12:40pm, dove wrote:

16 Jan, 2010, 12:02pm, wildmage wrote:

How does ET push the interconnect centers?

Can you elaborate on what the interconnect centers are?

Thank you dove, i will definitely use this material as a reference point.

BTW I have not even started to deconstruct this little snippet, you should consider this initial set of questions as simply a shot accross the bow. Just enough to get their attention if anything.

judging by current responses the motor is running just fine.

what do you say we rev it a few times, and take this baby out for a test drive?

edit to add:

hehe i think we have a ferrari here

should be fun.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 16 Jan, 2010, 9:33pm

16 Jan, 2010, 12:27pm, fore wrote:

@ Wm

As of 15minutes ago or so, they are aware of the questions. Like montalk, you know where to go to really get under their collective skins.

Some of the questions I can only answer based on personal experience. Some of them in general.

Let me get some rest and figure out how to answer those questions in the best possible way.

no problem fore take the time needed, and keep yourself out of harms way. this is not a test to see if you can forcefully drop the boundaries or go beyond the dog collar fence. It is simply a deconstruction into what is actually allowed vs. what is not. Put another way a clarification of boundaries, and possibily an insight into how certain aspects can have a negative or even a positive impact on our overall experience.

Hopefully it yields an entendre of what our respective yards are, in the sense of where we actually belong in this big picture of theirs.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 16 Jan, 2010, 10:06pm

Part 1.

@ fore, i have no problem with you using ponti's responses as a starting point if you feel they correlate closely to your own definitions.

@ponti... let us commence an indepth deconstruction if you are up to it. I am approaching this minus any preconception or assumptions on my part. Therefore the following questions are asked from a tabla rasa perspective. Your efforts from my perspective is an introduction and in-depth instruction to these concepts from the ground up.

Curiosity is my part and the sharing of knowledge is your part how you choose to demonstrate it I will leave in your capable hands.

Some questions are used to ensure clarification of certain aspects individually, feel free to group them as needed if it helps you in explaining concepts.

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Just to clarify we are on the same page, Influence = Quantum Life Force, would this be a fair equation in your interpretation
Quantum life force = sub-sentient programmable field of potential probabilities usually but not necessarily expressed thru a life-form.

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The user has a larger amount of influence at his/her disposal leading to a more "intense feeling", in this contect more influence is being expelled to the exterior of the psychic body

How is this influence at their disposal?
How is this intense feeling any different from normal physiological affects?
How is this influence being expelled to the exterior of the psychic body?

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The beings mere presence will cause the interconnect centers to start opening up more + clearing of shards of contamination [ this IS painful ], it is a consequence of their extreme influence fields [ which they limit as they could very well accidentally kill you ]

How do these interconnect centers to start opening up
How are the shards of contamination a consequence of their extreme influence fields?
How is this interaction limited.
How would this interaction kill?

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Points on the Psychic body to which the higher mind connects [ the higher mind uses the psychic body to control the physical body ]

How does the higher mind connect these points on the Psychic body to the physical body?

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The influence pours out of the psychic body, and the ET causes it to synchronize with their own, allowing them to manipulate the psychic body, and in turn the physical body

How does this synchronization occur?
How is the psychic body manipulated?
How is this translated to the physical body?

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Errr, no, but the one that visited me had this thing for a field of overwhelming honor.

How was this field of overwhelming honor generated?
How did you perceive this?
How do you perceive this interaction today?
How did you discern whether your perception of this interaction was correct or incorrect?

Quote:

It would be coherent and pliable, not random or imperfectly formed.

How is this coherence achieved?
How is it pliable?
How is random and imperfect being defined in this instance?

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distance and time are abstracts, if the ET affects you then they are merely using their field to affect yours [think of telepathy a moment, its a line of association thing]

How is distance and time converted to abstracts?
How is the external field used affected the local field?
How is telepathy related?
How is it a line of association thing?

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They overwhelm the field of the human, causing it to mimic theirs. As a normal human usually cannot tell what is or is not their thoughts, its mission accomplished.

How is the human field overwhelmed?
How is the receiving field entrained to mimic the broadcasted field?
How is a normal human defined in contrast to an abnormal human in this instance?
How do you define the unusual circumstance wherein a human can tell what is or is not their thoughts?
How is a mission accomplished determined?

Quote:

Their field overlaps yours, or you "tell" your field what parameters it is following. Again, I am not fully 100% able to do this properly yet.

How is it overlapping?
How do you tell the field what parameters to follow?
How does the field receive these instructions?
How are these instructions transmitted?
How are these parameters defined?

Quote:

your higher mind controls the psychic body, and the influence that is uses causes micro PK in the human brain and other interconnect points. It allows the higher mind to control the human avatar via proxy.

How does the higher mind control the psychic body?
How does this influence being used cause micro PK ?
How is it connected to the Human Brain?
How is it connected to the other interconnect points?
How does this mechanism of connections work?
How does a human become an avatar?
How is the higher mind allowed to control this human avatar?
How is this proxy established?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 16 Jan, 2010, 11:17pm

Part 2:

Quote:

How are PSI abilities a consequence of influence released by the psychic body?
How does the psychic body release influence into the surrounding environment?
How does the psychic body get this influence?
How does this affect physics of the local area?
How is this intensification of the field achieved?
How is the increase in pressure on various points of the head and body achieved?
How is this intensification and pressure differentiated from normal states?

Quote:

A few key areas are the top of the head with 5 connections [ 3 left, 2 right ], the sides of the head with two, the central forehead seems to have one. There are some near the shoulder-blades, one at each wrist and so on, I do not know all locations.

How were these key areas identified and validated?

Quote:

Increasing the output of influence will increase the total amount of your psychic ability, and then something will definitely come sniffing around to eat that influence, like a ghost or demon.

How does this increase in output of influence correlate to an increase in psychic ability?
How was this correlation identified and validated?
How is influence eaten?
How is this interaction of increase in influence to eaten by an external force achieved, established, identified, and validated?
How does this external force identify this increase?
How does a human identify and validate this is occurring.

Quote:

That is where most people go wrong, as they don't expect things like that. If you prepare, and know how to retract the field, then things will be better.

How do most people go wrong?
How was the value of most reached in this instance?
How is this expectation or non-expectation set?
How does a human prepare?
How does a human retract the field?
How will things be better in which context or in contrast to?

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I have not heard of any anti-Demon dimensional tear abilities, killing abilities, or simple conversion abilities from Fore [it is possible he is not able to discuss this, or does not know ].

How did you come up with these concepts?
How would an anti-Demon dimensional tear ability work?
How would a killing ability work?
How would conversion abilities of varying complexity work?
How many variations of conversion abilities are there?
How would this inability to discuss the above topics on Fore's part be achieved?
How is it enforced?
How would you be aware of these concepts over and beyond Fore's knowledge.

Quote:

I do know the advisor did attack one once, and she was attacked in turn to the point she was rather ill for quite a while. This suggests a human will not win such a battle, unless they have higher help or a PSI level weapon of an as of yet indescribable nature.

How did the advisor attack one (clarify: demon?).
How was the advisor attacked in turn?
How was this illness affecting the advisor?
How does this suggest a human will not win such a battle.
How is this battle defined, perceived, fought, won lost.
How are the objectives of this battle established and achieved?
How is the determination of win/lose made, identified and validated?
How does higher help become a part of this battle?
How is this higher help called and or allowed to enter said battle?
How is a PSI Level weapon acquired?
How is its use in this battle identified, allowed, defined?
How would this Psi Level Weapon function?
How was a determination or status of weapon achieved?
How is it indescribable?

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As the influence increases to very high levels the lower mind will start getting direct access to the higher mind as the filters between the psychic body and the higher mind break down. Understand this is not something the human body was designed to handle.

How do we established parameters for a higher and lower mind.
How is this direct access by the lower mind to the higher mind achieved?
How is an increase in influence related to this concept?
How was this concept identified and validated?
How does the breakdown of filters between the psychic body and the higher mind occur?
How is this breakdown perceived?
How does a human differentiate this breakdown from alternate normal processes?
How does the design of the human body relate to what it can or cannot handle?

Quote:

Just my 2c, and Fore will correct the bits I've gone AWOL on.

@fore As stated earlier if you feel ponti is doing an adequate job in responding and simply would like to act as a referee in the sense of correcting possible missteps, misconception, or incomplete explanations I am ok with that. Alternately I am still open to direct responses from you.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 16 Jan, 2010, 11:38pm

btw ponti if at anytime on any of the questions you feel like you either are unable to provide the answer, or would prefer to have the question handled by Fore, just bounce it back to Fore. I have no problem with that, there is no requirement from my end on who or how the questions get answered.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 17 Jan, 2010, 1:34am

That is quite the list, I'll tell you now there are several there that I'd have a hard time answering correctly. I keep a long summary of Fores commentary on this subject in memory, so there will be areas which are not filled in my end either.

However, it has given you plenty of material to list a very comprehensive question set. One question though; Most of this material has already been answered or described in this thread and the testing thread, are you seeking more of a summary? [ given you say you have read this thread a few times over now { which is more than I have, currently 1 1/5 } ]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 17 Jan, 2010, 2:05am

17 Jan, 2010, 1:34am, pontificator wrote:

That is quite the list, I'll tell you now there are several there that I'd have a hard time answering correctly. I keep a long summary of Fores commentary on this subject in memory, so there will be areas which are not filled in my end either.

However, it has given you plenty of material to list a very comprehensive question set. One question though; Most of this material has already been answered or described in this thread and the testing thread, are you seeking more of a summary? [ given you say you have read this thread a few times over now { which is more than I have, currently 1 1/5 } ]

I understand some of the questions have been covered before, feel free to use your own interpretation or reuse what you feel will answer the question appropriately. The repetition should give you a framework to work from in possibly answering some of the questions that have not been answered yet. As to your personal comfort level in actually tackling the questions which have not been filled in on your end either I will leave up to you.

You will notice the set only covers How... this was by design to extract a specific set of nuances from the experience. The objective is to establish and/or define the functional and procedural base of the experience.

What, when, who, why, and where will come later, after we established a foundational framework to work from.

So you feel comfortable going forward the answers provided will be used as a base or launch platform from which to ask questions which may be more relevant.

Feel free to answer the questions in a manner you feel most comfortable with, whether in summary format, grouped into like sets or one by one. I will work from the response set and recalibrate as needed.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by traynor on 17 Jan, 2010, 5:39am

17 Jan, 2010, 1:34am, pontificator wrote:

I think D4 is on the right track, and that many (including me) would appreciate brief, direct responses, rather than trying to prise the responses out of what has been written before. That is not because I am too lazy to bother reading all the material, but rather that I consider it an extremely important topic that would be far more accessible if summarized by someone as knowledgeable as you.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 17 Jan, 2010, 5:47am

Just to clarify we are on the same page, Influence = Quantum Life Force, would this be a fair equation in your interpretation
Quantum life force = sub-sentient programmable field of potential probabilities usually but not necessarily expressed thru a

life-form.

It can fall partially within that definition, but the definition you propose is a more limited understanding of the actual

reality [ and does not fully encompass that reality ].

The influence is a translated set of, how shall I put it, the higher minds reality leaking into our reality via a layer

called "the translation gate" which acts as a method by which one set of physics laws transforms into another [ between

universes ]. The influence in turn is the higher mind affecting this universe using what it knows, and this universe having

a reinterpreted version taking effect [ high concentrations of influence will cause all sorts of odd effects as this

universes laws are shifted, in part, to the requirements of another ]. Its a rather all encompassing term, and the main

problem is that there is simply no language construct in physics, to my knowledge, to describe this phenomena.

Quote:
The user has a larger amount of influence at his/her disposal leading to a more "intense feeling", in this contect more influence is being expelled to the exterior of the psychic body

How is this influence at their disposal?
The user can direct the field, and utilize its inherent properties [like a club at first] to cause effects. It has volume

properties, so it can be concentrated in denser amounts in a particular area to have a greater effect.

How is this intense feeling any different from normal physiological affects?

Blood pools in areas of the body independent of blood flow and vesticular action. Pressure increases around interconnect
areas can become painfully intense without any physical effect being induced to cause the effect [yet, it is definitely
occurring ].

How is this influence being expelled to the exterior of the psychic body?

The psychic body uses the alteration in physics to control the body as a proxy for the Higher mind, excess influence can, how shall I put it, flow out of the interconnect points like an overloaded water pipe.

Quote:
The beings mere presence will cause the interconnect centers to start opening up more + clearing of shards of contamination [
this IS painful ], it is a consequence of their extreme influence fields [ which they limit as they could very well
accidentally kill you ]

How do these interconnect centers start opening up?

Very good question, the how eludes me, it was simply a consequence similar to what happens if you suck on a straw when water is flowing through it already.

How are the shards of contamination a consequence of their extreme influence fields?

They are not, the contamination is a simple thing where the surrounding environment contaminates the psychic body, forming
crud around the place. This is painful when it suddenly comes out in sharp bits through places you normally wouldn't want
something sharp to come out of. A person starting out will have a lot of contamination, and clearing it is painful.

How is this interaction limited?

From what I saw, it holds the field closer to itself, and only allows a part of its field, at a lesser density, to come into contact with the psychic body.

How would this interaction kill?

I would imagine that a large field covering the psychic body could cause it to expell all its influence, causing it to lose control of the lower body, and thus basic functions like breathing and a heartbeat. You must also understand that these beings may not have a compatible influence type, and its effect would be akin to giving the wrong blood type to someone.

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Points on the Psychic body to which the higher mind connects [ the higher mind uses the psychic body to control the physical
body ]

How does the higher mind connect these points on the Psychic body to the physical body?

It does not. The psychic body acts as a proxy, via filters. Understand that a psychic body is a connection template, and
can be borrowed by another to allow them control of that body.

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The influence pours out of the psychic body, and the ET causes it to synchronize with their own, allowing them to manipulate
the psychic body, and in turn the physical body

How does this synchronization occur?

I have two pools of water, one has small waves in a chaotic pattern, and the other has big waves with a set pattern.

Allowing the pools to interact we find the small pool and large pool eventually look the same as the large pool, and the
smaller pool has very little say in the resulting pattern. Perceptually treat the fields in this manner, and that is the synch.

How is the psychic body manipulated?

The interconnect points can be "influenced" by the ET, much the same way as someone can insert another conversation on a
telephone line [allowing party time].

How is this translated to the physical body?

This is a bit of an interesting one that needs clarification from Fore. Form what I've noted the psychic body will put this
information into the physical body, then the physical body's interpretation will come back up the line via the psychic body to
the higher mind. Additionally the higher mind can be interacted with directly by such beings.

Quote:
Errr, no, but the one that visited me had this thing for a field of overwhelming honor.

How was this field of overwhelming honor generated?

In this context its influence field would have the emotional construct for honour, when overlapping my field it would cause it
to override my own emotional information [ but this did not really happen as I was excited, and I noted both feelings at once, plus thats the only time I have ever experienced that feeling {Thus the razor strikes, it must not be me feeling that, and I get a small electrical jolt in the right hemisphere as I clash with its field slightly}]

How did you perceive this?

See above.

How do you perceive this interaction today?

Basically the same, its not a complex interaction from my point of view.

How did you discern whether your perception of this interaction was correct or incorrect?

It appears to match the typical symptoms that Fore, Traynor and others on the board have expressed.

Quote:
It would be coherent and pliable, not random or imperfectly formed.

How is this coherence achieved?

Outside my knowledge.

How is it pliable?

Outside my knowledge.

How is random and imperfect being defined in this instance?

To illustrate: Static on a TV, and Bad signal on the TV, and a good signal on the TV. Each is a consequence of strength of signal, that being no ability, some ability, and full ability [ It is an analogue scale ].

Quote:
distance and time are abstracts, if the ET affects you then they are merely using their field to affect yours [think of telepathy a moment, its a line of association thing]

How is distance and time converted to abstracts?

You cannot convert an abstract into an abstract, it is.

How is the external field used affected the local field?

As above in the pools of water illustration.

How is telepathy related?

See above concerning the pools of water, it is a transmission medium, and the field is your concious thought.

How is it a line of association thing?

If two pools cannot affect each other because they do not know of each other, then nothing happens, but if one pool knows of
the other, and has a link via a small trickle... Alternatively, I know how to contact a friend, and anyone else via that
friend through 6 degrees of seperation. But until the other individual at the end of the 6 degrees of separation knows of
me, they could not do the same.

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They overwhelm the field of the human, causing it to mimic theirs. As a normal human usually cannot tell what is or is not their thoughts, its mission accomplished.

How is the human field overwhelmed?

See the pools of water.

How is the receiving field entrained to mimic the broad casted field?

See the pools of water.

How is a normal human defined in contrast to an abnormal human in this instance?

A trained human, or one aware of the phenomina, may be specifically looking for aberrations. Ask yourself this question, how does a human tell if they are schitzophrenic or not?

How do you define the unusual circumstance wherein a human can tell what is or is not their thoughts?

you ask a question that has several layers. In the obvious the person "knows" that something is talking to them due to the
nature of the communication, in the obscure the transmission is being masked so that the person will have a hard time
discriminating from their own internal voice and its. Think of it this way, you hear two announcements over the radio, one is from the real person, and the other is from a perfect impersonator, the only way you can tell the difference is contents of the message [ Surrender to the enemy, vs don't listen and fight to your last breath ].

How is a mission accomplished determined?

That would be dependent on the ET, the situation, and what they determined as mission acomplished [ ask an ET, I'm sure they'll give much the same answer ]. Another example, how do I know if my cake is cooked according to mission accomplished parameters? Would those parameters match those of making a plate of chips from a bag of potatoes?

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Their field overlaps yours, or you "tell" your field what parameters it is following. Again, I am not fully 100% able to do this properly yet.

How is it overlapping?

Envisage two magnetic fields, two pools, a piece of paper on top of another...

How do you tell the field what parameters to follow?

That is a question for Fore.

How does the field receive these instructions?

Via the higher mind, which I am not able to talk to yet.

How are these instructions transmitted?

Via the interconnect points from what I have read so far.

How are these parameters defined?

Question for Fore, but I believe the Higher mind sets the parameters.

Quote:
your higher mind controls the psychic body, and the influence that is uses causes micro PK in the human brain and other interconnect points. It allows the higher mind to control the human avatar via proxy.

How does the higher mind control the psychic body?

I believe it is much like a puppet master controls a sophisticated puppet.

How does this influence being used cause micro PK ?

The Influence being vented from the alternate universe appears to affect the physical reality of this one, causing the parameters of reality to change. Thus a charge fires when it otherwise would not and so on.

How is it connected to the Human Brain?

It litrally overlaps the entire body, and is in the same place, thus a change in the psychic body has an effect in a physical sense on the human body.

How is it connected to the other interconnect points?

That has not been discussed fully in depth, but it would appear to have conduits through which its influence flows.

How does this mechanism of connections work?

Question for Fore.

How does a human become an avatar?

From what I can tell the human body, at a certain stage of foetal development, has a psychic body formed [ how, what or whom I do not know ], and the higher mind that is assigned will connect its conduits/appendages to the interconnect points.

How is the higher mind allowed to control this human avatar?

The influence is translated into a compatible type for this universe, via the translation system. But as to how a given mind is allowed control, and not another, its an unknown factor.

How is this proxy established?

Unknown.

Part 2:

Quote:
The main thing about PSI abilities are that they are a consequence of the psychic body releasing influence into the surrounding environment. It affects the physics of the local area, and as the field intensifies it is felt as an increase in pressure on various points of the head and body.

How are PSI abilities a consequence of influence released by the psychic body?

The abilities, called PSI, are manifestations of the universes physical laws being bent. The influence itself simply does this.

How does the psychic body release influence into the surrounding environment?

Via the interconnect points releasing influence into the surrounding environment. Hows does a tap allow water to flow?

How does the psychic body get this influence?

From the higher mind which is located in another universe that appears to have lots of this stuff [ alternatively the higher mind could simply produce it in this other universe ].

How does this affect physics of the local area?

Wait a moment, I think I saw Einsteins brain just explode... Essentially the reality of one place is tranlated into what would happen in our universe, thus if an object were lifted in the other universe [ that is a lifting force is there ], then a lifting force is what it is translated into here. But, wait, suddenly objects are floating in midair with nothing apparently lifting them, Spooky Possoms...

How is this intensification of the field achieved?

Much the same as putting more gas into a room through a hose, the more of something confined to an area, the more intense it is. The psychic body outputs more influence into the surrounding area via an interconnect.

How is the increase in pressure on various points of the head and body achieved?

The psychic body suffers the stress of more influence pouring out an area in much the same way as one knows vomiting more violently will produce a feeling of more pressure in the osophogous as the action occurs. The psychic body, being the proxy, is felt like the human body by the higher mind. The higher mind feels the increase in pressure, and attributes it to the
human body.

How is this intensification and pressure differentiated from normal states?

Usually by associated phenomina a normal person does not encounter, a headache vs a "headache", it is not something that can be neatly answered.

I'll leave the others questions to a professional. I am a student/trainee after all, and these answers need marking and correcting.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Jan, 2010, 5:55am

16 Jan, 2010, 10:06pm, wildmage wrote:

Part 1.

@ fore, i have no problem with you using ponti's responses as a starting point if you feel they correlate closely to your own definitions.

He was about 95% spot on. He practically used my own words to answer your questions. I wasn't aware that I had said that much already! No wonder they are in a atagonistic mood LOL.

One correction to pontif's post though:

Q: How does ET push the interconnect centers?

A: The beings mere presence will cause the interconnect centers to start opening up more + clearing of shards of contamination [ this IS painful ], it is a consequence of their extreme influence fields [ which they limit as they could very well accidentally kill you ]

Correction: No, not "opening" the centers up. It just amps up the level of influence it releases as it activates on it's own...sort of like a reflex.... only on the interconnect center/interconnect level.

From bottom up:

[Internal ~programing~ for each interconnect]--> Embedded within the center itself, programmed for each series of inherent functions.
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[Interconnect Centers]--> Embedded within the body at key points, physiology of the body coincides with design of a body template. Centers regulate influence release and allow for indirect feedback (not nervous system based).
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[Interconnect]--> Main structure on the "influence" level of reality, acts as a proxy for consciousness processes, spiritual-like tether, Higher mind complex. Designs are interchangeable between body forms.
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["Spiirtual" Conciousness]--> Permanent memory, Actual persons conciousness, Not embedded within reality.
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["Divine Spark"] (paraphrased in english) (ET Theory: specifically the advisors personal beliefs)]--> ....no word in English...~Raw unbounded potential of a higher order ~substance~ that allegedly gives "natural" life capabilities.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 17 Jan, 2010, 6:01am

Ahh, the indirect feedback part clarifies a lot of things.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Jan, 2010, 11:04am

@ Pontif/WM

In case you were wondering:

[Internal ~programing~ for each interconnect]--> Translation Tables

Note: Translation tables -->DO NOT<-- Equal a translation gate.

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"Translation tables" are what the advisor called them. They reside within the interconnect centers/points along the inside of the body.

They translate physical kinds of information into non-physical kinds of information.

For example, when you meditate and try to use your imagination to control your psi abilities. The Translation Tables inside those interconnect centers/points translate your intent into non-physical equivalent commands.

Thinking of wanting to...I dunno...?bend a spoon? is not enough.

That is why people in their lower consciousness minds take notice there is some sort of correlation between awareness and will power/intent.

The translation tables help the cross communication between physical component and non-physical components of yourself.

It is the bread and butter of how your psi abilities and imagination can work in tandem.

Figuring out how to control and embed commands to control things reliably is a taboo topic.

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A "Translation Gate" is yet another term coined by the advisor herself. It is a sort of "transdimensional phenomena" that she claimed the ET's (like her) use at times to *translate* physical matter between semi-compatible or compatible realities.

Sort of like taking a 140 pound ET and translating it into another reality system and/or format that has it's own version of a 140 pound ET.

According to her (and I am using baby explanations), the Translation Gates are naturally occurring phenomena that allows one reality system to flow into another reality system.

According to her explanations, our reality isn't an air tight bubble. (in energy terms)

Instead it is more like it is connected indirectly (metaphorically speaking) to an aqueduct of the heavens. Each reality that exists losses "energy" (the physical kind) to this aqueduct of the heavens. It also gains "energy" from surrounding realities.

So like an aqueduct, the exchange and flow is constantly occurring. Both loss and gain.

This aqueduct is the "Translation Gate".

The ET's exploit this naturally occurring phenomena of exchanges.

Through (from what I have heard) hard ET math and physics of various kinds, they can exploit the system and traverse the realities. Hence, A translation gateway.

The translation gateway is not physical in anyway that you could actually see it.

As she hinted and brushed me off at the time, it is more a mathematical understanding than it is something that most human beings "could get" as some sort of earthly understanding.

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When they get here, they either hit the "ground floor of our reality or they stay way above the "ground floor" in a phased out state.

I finally understood and grasped what she was explaining in it's full implications just recently as I tried to explain various explanations she gave me at various ages.

If you all remember the phasing explanation I did earlier, then you should also realize like I did, that they stay phased out to keep themselves either fairly comfortable or out of sight.

"Phasing" is a property of our reality. The ground floor is where we live. With higher floors that appears to make our reality experience less palpable. (gravity, time, etc)

The Translation gate is something which is entirely different. It allows them to leave our reality entirely and to move into another reality entirely. (via the naturally occurring reality "exchanges")

[aqueducts of the heavens as I nick name it for this post only]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Jan, 2010, 11:16am

Right now someone is (on and off) giving me advice and pointers on how to overcome my problems with my group in terms of the questions.

They are very helpful in giving me pointers as to what basics need to be laid out. Also which fundamentals are critical to post so that people can properly understand the information in the easiest way possible.

They are also giving me help in other ways. They are not from my group it seems.

They appear to have a vested interest in sharing the information. They are strangers from beyond my group.

Right now I am being mentally hog tied by my group. I have alot to share but I wish that this conversation would not progress way too far before I have caught up with you all. I am still hammering out details with these new guys.

They seem to share my goals in some way.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 17 Jan, 2010, 11:44am

16 Jan, 2010, 9:09pm, wildmage wrote:

hehe i think we have a ferrari here

should be fun.

lol

Mind if I drive for a bit, WM?

~~~

A few questions and observations so far:

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How are the shards of contamination a consequence of their extreme influence fields?

They are not, the contamination is a simple thing where the surrounding environment contaminates the psychic body, forming crud around the place. This is painful when it suddenly comes out in sharp bits through places you normally wouldn't want something sharp to come out of. A person starting out will have a lot of contamination, and clearing it is painful.

How would one tell the difference between these shards of contamination being released vs something else entirely, such as a psychic attack or the sensation of being scanned. Does the contamination only come out at certain regions?

Quote:

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How does the higher mind connect these points on the Psychic body to the physical body?

It does not. The psychic body acts as a proxy, via filters. Understand that a psychic body is a connection template, and
can be borrowed by another to allow them control of that body.

So essentially, this psychic body isn't anything like the astral body or any of the other 'layers' that are spoken of? {I am asking again because Fore never really answered that question for me, or I missed that part where he explained it.} These are described in detail in the testing thread, page 13--post #183, but the list is as follows:

1. The Etheric Layer or Etheric Body

2. The Emotional Layer or Emotional Body

3. The Mental Layer or Mental Body

4. The Astral Bridge Layer, Ast[r]al Body, or Bridge Layer

5. The Etheric Template Layer

6. The Celestial Layer or Celestial Body

7. The Ketheric Template Layer or Causal Layer

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Quote:

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The influence pours out of the psychic body, and the ET causes it to synchronize with their own, allowing them to manipulate
the psychic body, and in turn the physical body

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How does this synchronization occur?

I have two pools of water, one has small waves in a chaotic pattern, and the other has big waves with a set pattern.

Allowing the pools to interact we find the small pool and large pool eventually look the same as the large pool, and the smaller pool has very little say in the resulting pattern. Perceptually treat the fields in this manner, and that is the synch.

Just a comment on this one. The description sounds very much like what they speak of in QT healing; they call it entrainment. It is necessary to keep your vibration or frequency at a higher level than that of the client/patient so that their frequency raises to match that of the practitioner, thus the reason they use certain breathing techniques. If the one running the energy were to 'entrain' to the client, then obviously this would be a problem.

Quote:

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How does a human become an avatar?

From what I can tell the human body, at a certain stage of foetal development, has a psychic body formed [ how, what or whom I do not know ], and the higher mind that is assigned will connect its conduits/appendages to the interconnect points.

This statement implies that there is more than one higher mind per person. Is that what you were saying or am I misunderstanding?

Quote:

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How does the field receive these instructions?

Via the higher mind, which I am not able to talk to yet.

Am I missing something? I talk to my higher mind all the time, or at least that is the intention, such as what I was doing when I was muscle testing, or when I have a 'request' (like programming shields, for example). Is it not that simple? Am I fooling myself into thinking that my lower and higher minds are communicating?

{edited to add WM's salutation}

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 17 Jan, 2010, 11:54am

17 Jan, 2010, 11:04am, fore wrote:

Figuring out how to control and embed commands to control things reliably is a taboo topic.

You know, it's this kind of thing that really aggravates me. These are OUR bodies we're talking about. Why are these type of topics taboo? If it's something that is innate to our system, shouldn't we be 'allowed' to know about it?

If GOD gave us these systems and abilities, why can't they be discussed by those who have the knowledge to teach us about them? What--do these ETs belong to a secret society, or something? Never mind, I think I already know the answer to that question. ::)

I understand that the 'taboo' comes from 'them' to you specifically; that they don't want you to discuss certain subjects. That's not what I mean, really. I realize the situation; it's just that these are things that we (by all rights) should be able to do. So what's the big deal?

Oh, that's right. We might actually become their equal if we were to have access to certain information regarding how our bodies work...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 17 Jan, 2010, 12:21pm

@Fore: Noted, I'll wait until details are hashed out your end. On Translation gate vs Translation Table, I can see I'm quite far off in terms of my understanding of a few things, this has clarified that fine. It has also opened up a lot of possibilities with the new understanding... with the incorrect approach out the window [ even thought I appear to be getting results with it ] I should now be able to progress even faster.

@Dove: Generally there is only one higher mind [you] controlling a body at a time, but that does not prevent a higher mind being removed to another body, or jar, while someone joy-rides or borrows your normal host.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by meret on 17 Jan, 2010, 9:09pm

Since fore brought up spoon bending I want to share my experience.

The spoon can't be bent by intent alone. It requires a light heartedness. You can't concentrate on the spoon bending, you have to decide to do it and then enjoy it. It is fun and I suspect that when back in the day they had the spoon bending parties, it was accomplished like that. It worked in that state of mind. Can't remember who had those parties, a former gov't remote viewer?

Anyway, I have done it with another person and managed to get the spoons back in usable condition, not like new...but I need my spoons! I have not made a regular practice of it.

Maybe I should look for clues in that experience of mine to understanding the translation tables.

This is a very exciting topic!

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 17 Jan, 2010, 10:10pm

Fore I have noted your request, the following is so you can get a clearer picture of where I am currently with the information provide by ponti to date. My own suggestion would be to allow ponti first crack at this so that he can correct any glaring misconceptions on my part and then sweep thru and fill in the gaps as needed.

@ ponti Before continuing the questions; I am going to make some quick statements, based on your responses to ensure we remain on the same page. This is simply my own interpretation of the information being shared, I have a set expectation that this is tainted by my own methodologies and level of comprehension. Please correct the ones that deviate from your current understanding or may have been interpreted incorrectly. To the reader this should be considered a first draft rough/raw living document wherein many corrections will be made as needed.

Based on my current understanding this is what you just said:

The higher mind resides in an alternate reality/universe.
The higher mind creates influence
Influence is a transformed reality/universe non-physical substance originating from the higher minds alternate reality.
The higher mind uses a construct defined as the translation table to transform its reality into our reality and/or our reality into its reality.
The higher mind uses this transformed reality to affect our reality.
The translation gate is a layer between two separate realities.
--- Explained by Fore as
--- Translation table vs Translation Gateway
Translation Table =
-- Reside in interconnect centers/points
-- Translate intent into non-physical equivalent commands
Translation Gateway
--- Is a pathway between two realities/universe
--- Is created by the flow or exchange of energy between these two realities/universes.
These two realties are defined as separate universes with different physical laws applicable to each.
Merging these two realities/universes creates an altered physical state where they meet.
The psychic body is a template interface.
This altered physical state is what allows the psychic body to activate
The higher mind uses the activated psychic body to connect to the physical body.
The psychic body or interface template can be borrowed or used by multiple entities.
The higher mind is assigned to the psychic body
The higher mind connect its conduits/appendages to the interconnect points.

The psychic body gets contaminated by the surrounding environment.
Contaminates are extruded or cleared from the psychic body.
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Influence can be contained within a defined volume of space.
Adding influence to this defined volume of space increases its density

Blood flow is attracted to the interconnect centers during PSI activity.
Active interconnect center act as a blockage to this blood flow.

Principle1:
The liquid is kept in the straw by air pressure. The pressure below your thumb pushes up at a higher pressure than the air can above your thumb because your thumb prevents the air from exerting pressure on the liquid from above.
Principle 2:
As you suck on the straw, you create a vacuum in the straw above the water. Once the vacuum is there, the weight of the air, or atmospheric pressure, pushes the water up the straw. Consequently, the rate of flow is related to the differential in pressure.

Fluids in motion : http://people.uleth.ca/~walton/ch06_garden_watering.3Nov08.ppt

Fore's correction regarding opening interconnect centers
Correction: No, not "opening" the centers up. It just amps up the level of influence it releases as it activates on it's own...sort of like a reflex.... only on the interconnect center/interconnect level.

WM Note: Appears to be an increase in pressure differentials.
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There are multiple types of influence.
Influence ranges based on the point of origin being the higher mind alternate reality universe to the functional translation table being applied.
Influence or the transformed altered physical state may or may not be compatible with the psychic body.
Interaction is controlled by limiting the amount of influence introduced into a defined intersecting volume of space.

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Synchronization is a controlled interference pattern being applied to the influence medium.
Synchronization is bi-directional
Awareness of target is needed for synchronization to occur.
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editted for clarifcation

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Jan, 2010, 10:46pm

Agh! There are so MANY points to explain in depth that it is dizzying to even figure out where to start.

@ Dove

On the topic of entrainment. Whomever possesses the stronger influence field will be able to "entrain"/synchronize another persons field. (There are two basic points to touch on in this topic)

If an ET has a more substantial field then he will be able to gain control over the consciousness and body of that person. That may be hard to believe but then again.....think closely about this.

Sit there and think of a dog. Your imagination creates a dog easily for you to see and experience on a very light level. That is because it is under your direct control.

Have an ET "Entrain" you, (meaning to control your personal influence field) and you'll notice it has control over the contents of your field and it's consciousness. So while you are asleep or awake they can change your memories by following protocols or suppress the rememberance of specific events.

[Higher level "for ET eyes only" conversions start here]

Having a full understanding of your body and it's processes, your mind and it's processes, and a full *technical* understanding of how your mindset/emotionalsets work in tandem with each other....

It isn't hard to see how (in this context) easy it is to suppress memories, generate new fake memories, *alter the mental constants* in the mindset of individuals, integrate false experiences by keeping the individual in deep sleep and creating a controlled simulation that feels real to the person, move their body in a stupor state, program compulsory reactions on a key trigger event, speak to their higher mind directly, transfer large volumes of technical information for later use, transfer knowledge of temporally displaced events with subliminal or conscious instructions/advice on how to proceed at that point in time.

Etc etc etc.

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The other key point to understand is psychic compatibility/polarization.

Polarization (aka configuration) is used in this context to imply more than 1 or 2 states, but to imply thousands if not hundreds of thousands of polarizations.

I was taught, that even if a given polarized field is super strong, it does not necessarily mean that it will affect another field of in another polarized stated. (Incompatible pattern configurations)

The individual may be in front of a super strong PSI field that does not inherently affect their own because the pattern configuration (polarity) does not couple or affect the other field properly (or at all).

Until the polarity is reconfigured for a proper interaction, there can be no real meaningful manipulation or interaction.

Different human beings have different psychic polarities.

As the advisor stated, some psychic won't be able to perceive other psychics. They are on two different polarized states and therefore "invisible" to one another.

Note: I have been thinking that the reason they can hide their psychic presence is because they probably re-sequence/re-polarize the majority of their PSI field so that their influence field appears nearly indistinguishable.

In the mystics arena I guess this could be (err very baby-ishly) refereed to as "changing their frequency". Though that idea of "frequency" does not correlate all that well with the actual phenomena or underlying understanding of the processes.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Jan, 2010, 10:58pm

17 Jan, 2010, 12:21pm, pontificator wrote:

@Fore: Noted, I'll wait until details are hashed out your end. On Translation gate vs Translation Table, I can see I'm quite far off in terms of my understanding of a few things, this has clarified that fine. It has also opened up a lot of possibilities with the new understanding... with the incorrect approach out the window [ even thought I appear to be getting results with it ] I should now be able to progress even faster.

@Dove: Generally there is only one higher mind [you] controlling a body at a time, but that does not prevent a higher mind being removed to another body, or jar, while someone joy-rides or borrows your normal host.

Experiment with your own idea, it might bring something new to the table.

Just realize that it is Non-Canon territory based on the advisors instructions.

I also want to thank you for going over many of the points for me. You have no idea how hard it is when I am being pressured into silence.

I have noted they are using a technique very similar to a demonstration that the advisor gave me a very long time ago. A sort of "mental contention" that literally keeps you *frozen up* and unable to (easily or even moderately) compel yourself to do what you/I have personally decided to do.

They have so many tricks in their arsenal.

I'll keep correcting your errors and fixing points or adding to them as we go along. You are a great circumvention device, so be extra careful in your daily life.

I would not want to see you suddenly get hurt in any way. This idea that WM has about putting it all together is a good one. It is probably going to make someone in my group have a really bad day.

I believe last night I confirmed my personal sentiment on this subject. I believe they know it will eventually come out, so they are using stall tactics to keep it going at a snails pace.

Then again....what are they stalling for??

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 17 Jan, 2010, 11:18pm

Is there a possibility that an aspect of the main event is linked to a "watershed" event of PSI coming to the forefront?

I can certainly see how it could go wild if someone with PSI ability suddenly knew what to do, in much the same way as showing a child how to use a mind control helmet, then telling them not to use it...

As for my safety, it is not as though I am the only one, where one falls another takes his place

Additionally, I find it rather entertaining watching events unfold planet wide and I can assure you I'd be back for another round, then another and so on.

From a wanting to stop something perspective, the last thing you'd want to do is cause death and dismemberment to the current crop, they'd only come back as children with a much better lead time at the same level of PSI ability [but without the education, restraint, morals etc.]...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Jan, 2010, 11:39pm

@ WM

Pontif made a couple of errors in filling out the questions.

-->The psychic body is a template interface. (clarifying this point as it is too simple a statement.

[Interconnect] --> Penetrating/Transitional medium device used to connect a physical body to the Spirit.
[Interconnect Centers]--> Points along the body where the Interconnect latches itself onto the body. Like the strings connecting to various point on the body. At connection point various centers come pre-programmed to do specific tasks like regulating the infusion of influence into the body. It's also a device that gives the spirit various types of feedback as to the condition of the body.

The psychic body and it's Extra Sensory Perception (ESP) is the result of this infusion. In a regular person the infusion is very light and weak. In a full blown Psychic the infusion is intense and in copious amounts.

Therefore a Psychic has enough influence pouring out of it's Interconnect Centers that various primary and secondary non-physical appendages appear and intensify slightly beyond (and within) the confines of the body.

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The psychic body is a template interface. <-- Not a very complete picture but close enough. It would be more appropriate to say that the interconnect and the design of the Interconnect Centers results in a template specific to the anatomy of the body.

The psychic body is tailored to the body design.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Jan, 2010, 11:46pm

17 Jan, 2010, 11:18pm, pontificator wrote:

Is there a possibility that an aspect of the main event is linked to a "watershed" event of PSI coming to the forefront?

Looking at UFO culture and it's inherent expectations....along with the promises made by shady ET groups. Best guess is yes.

Personally I do not know.

I am not even sure I understood your question to be honest.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 17 Jan, 2010, 11:49pm

@ WM

-->The higher mind creates influence.

I do not know this to be true. I do not really know where influence comes from. The advisor didn't share much info on that.

I know only that is it released in quantities once the Interconnect Center releases a patterned type to match the personal profile of the person.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 18 Jan, 2010, 12:13am

@ WM

--> Influence is a transformed reality/universe non-physical substance originating from the higher minds alternate reality.

"Influence" (the substance and reality) is a parallel or sub-reality that resides as a mirror copy of our universe. Its laws of physics are significantly different BUT has direct correlation to our physical universe.

The interconnect (the centers too) itself resides within this parallel or sub-reality.

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Meaning, that if you affect that parallel or sub-reality, the changes show up in our physical universe. Even if it violates the physical universe's physical laws.

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Bottom up perspective:

The higher mind originates as a "perspective limiter" to our lower mind, courtesy of the Inteconnect. All of our lower physical realm interactions are transmitted to the higher mind from our ordinary viewpoint in this world. The higher mind transmits the impulses which the brain hardware takes upon itself to interpret and using biological rules acts on it.

Animal vs Higher conscious imperatives.

Top down perspective:

The higher mind originates from the spiritual mind; governing and absorbing information about the activities of the lower mind designed for the physical body and it's realm.

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It's bi-directional communication, even though through perceptual filters or various kinds, one (the lower mind) is not inherently aware of the higher mind.

When PSI users increase their influence output (and other things), the higher mind begins to displace the lower minds impulsive/natural functions. The brain and it's hardware begins to deal with higher level cognition and this causes numerous types of stress as the higher minds (far more) direct involvement increases significantly.

Not everyone can tolerate it for extended periods of times. Nor can some tolerate it in any significant degree.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 18 Jan, 2010, 12:18am

@ WM

-->The higher mind uses a construct defined as the translation table to transform its reality into our reality and/or our reality into its reality.
The higher mind uses this transformed reality to affect our reality.

Should read:

The higher mind uses a construct defined as the "translation tables" to transform its impulses into our reality and/or our impulses into its reality.
The higher mind uses this transformed impulses to affect our reality.

(Much better)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 18 Jan, 2010, 12:24am

@ WM

-->The translation gate is a layer between two separate realities.

More like a naturally occurring *functional phenomena* of exchanges of "material substances" between realities.

Like foreign exchanges of currency, it does the job of interchanging one coin for another. The ET's allegedly exploit it.

I believe this to be totally true from watching people talk about this phenomena in the wild of Ufology.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 18 Jan, 2010, 12:26am

@ WM

Translation Table =
-- Reside in interconnect centers/points
-- Translate intent into non-physical equivalent commands

Should read:

Translation Table =
-- Reside in interconnect centers/points
-- Translate intent into non-physical equivalent commands and vice versa.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 18 Jan, 2010, 12:29am

@ WM
-->Merging these two realities/universes creates an altered physical state where they meet.

What are you referring to?

Influence or Trans-dimensional Travel?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 18 Jan, 2010, 1:53am

18 Jan, 2010, 12:29am, fore wrote:

@ WM
-->Merging these two realities/universes creates an altered physical state where they meet.

What are you referring to?

Influence or Trans-dimensional Travel?

this was in relation to influence.
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BTW... I am currently working on creating this into visual diagrams, which is more or less why I have been a little silent. Will try to have them posted by sometime tonite. They will be a little raw at first but hopefully they will still help to clarify some of these concepts.

(edit to add) something like this

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To explain, I visualize influence as a plasma type state somewhere between a fluid and a gas.
Air that acts like a liquid

with crystalline properties under pressure

translation tables from a functional perspective would be akin to dichoric glass acting as a dispersion filter and grating acting like punch hole cards allowing portion of this dispersion to pass thru in a specific pattern.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichroic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card

anyway I am getting way ahead of myself.

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On a side note... is higher mind being defined properly in context. I have this feeling it is something entirely different, then a conscious construct belonging to a specific person.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 18 Jan, 2010, 7:14am

Fore,

The part of the discussion on the idea of influence is interesting to me particularly.

I wonder if anyone else here has experience using visualization/will to influence something. Not something static like a spoon bending. But something dynamic like the will of another individual.

You describe influence in intellectual terms. And its true. It seems to me, though I hadnt put it into definite words, because I had no need, that you have accurately covered the theory of it all. I was wondering what stops you from using it as a tactic on your alien 'buddies' now that you understand its basis so well?

Reading this thread it seems these aliens are playing a great game, a game we do not recognize... perhaps it is chess, only we dont know the rules. However, we are allowed to look at the board, at least from time to time. And from these observations we are trying to figure out what the rules to the game are. What rules govern the movement of the pieces. We might discover that when there is only one bishop around it always seems to maintain the same colour square.

Later on we might discover the law for the bishop is that it moves along a diagonal. Which would explain the law that ywe understood before superficially, but now have a deeper more profound knowledge of. This is analagous to the subject at hand; sneaky aliens. We think we have it figured out, or at least are making good progress until some strange phenomena occurs. We look away for a moment, and when we look back we discover that the bishop does not maintain its colour, only after investigation we realize that that bishop was in fact captured and a pawn advanced to the final rank to produce another bishop.

What I'm trying to say is that, even though we don't know the rules of the great game they are playing, we may still win.... in the end.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 18 Jan, 2010, 8:00am

17 Jan, 2010, 12:21pm, pontificator wrote:

@Dove: Generally there is only one higher mind [you] controlling a body at a time, but that does not prevent a higher mind being removed to another body, or jar, while someone joy-rides or borrows your normal host.

18 Jan, 2010, 1:53am, wildmage wrote:

On a side note... is higher mind being defined properly in context. I have this feeling it is something entirely different, then a conscious construct belonging to a specific person.

Can you clarify the specific way you are using the term "higher mind", Fore? Is our higher self just a non-individualistic part of the human consciousness (something we can all 'plug into'), or do each one of us have our own (again, in the sense that you are speaking)?

Could it be both? Or maybe there's yet another level that would correlate to that ('plugged in') function (which allows for psi because we're all somehow connected by this grid or consciousness?). What is it (that part of our mind) called?

Also, if what Ponti said is true (which I don't doubt), wouldn't that person kind of notice that someone had hi-jacked their higher self/mind? What he describes sounds like possession. If this is correct, which part would be considered to be possessed--the body, the lower mind, or the higher mind?

Is there a way to stop/prevent this hi-jacking from happening?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 14 on 18 Jan, 2010, 10:17am

All women want two things.

1. An emotional connection to positive feelings.
2. Phenomenal Sex

Good luck, Fore.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 18 Jan, 2010, 10:39am

Err...

In reality, most well adjusted folks seem to desire many things. Those two are just a tiny part of the big picture.

It's important to realize that everyone is a world unto themselves.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 18 Jan, 2010, 11:46am

18 Jan, 2010, 8:00am, dove wrote:

17 Jan, 2010, 12:21pm, pontificator wrote:

18 Jan, 2010, 1:53am, wildmage wrote:

On a side note... is higher mind being defined properly in context. I have this feeling it is something entirely different, then a conscious construct belonging to a specific person.

As far as I know, The consciousness of the individual is what exists at the higher mind level.

The advisor made several allusions at various points in time that an unfolded psi field blends and borders gradually into other fields.

It is my long held speculation, by implication, that this indirectly/directly implies that fully extended fields can form a network.

It sort of obvious but not "explicitly" really mentioned by her.

So I call it "speculation" but other lessons mention this, but she didn't make the explicit connection in a super obvious way.

In some of her lessons she goes into explaining that the psychic network exists.

It's all a fairly fuzzy spot in her lessons. Everything implies she meant it but she didn't explicitly.

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Technically speaking, it should be possible for normal people who have latent psi abilities to pass along unconcious messages on an influence level.

And this sort of messaging should be (at times) non-linear in nature if I flip through the lessons she taught me.

It's pretty much a given.

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If you are asking if the spiritual consciousness is a "one mind universal consciousness" scenario?

Then I would not know. She doesn't imply it in the way your implying it.

As far as I know, it's a one per person sort of thing until she tells me otherwise or I see proof of the contrary.

18 Jan, 2010, 8:00am, dove wrote:

Could it be both? Or maybe there's yet another level that would correlate to that ('plugged in') function (which allows for psi because we're all somehow connected by this grid or consciousness?). What is it (that part of our mind) called?

There were mentions of that but at the influence level. Not above it where spiritual consciousness.

[quote author=dove board=research thread=1953 post=229430 time=1263794453]Also, if what Ponti said is true (which I don't doubt), wouldn't that person kind of notice that someone had hi-jacked their higher self/mind?

Apparently not everyone does.

Look at merets account and see how hard it might be to detect.
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1) Some ET's cover their tracks better than others.
2) Some people don't have direct access to advanced personal ESP sensation. So they may not notice things which a person like me will notice since I have always had my field in a developing or active state.

How sensitive someone is might play a large role in their ability to detect external influence affecting the integrity of their consciousness.

By comparison, (I speak from newly personally acquired experience) normal people are very "numb" in their sensory experience. I dunno how people can live like this for the rest of their lives.

What separates someone who can easily detect manipulation from someone who might not is anyones guess. My best guess is with ESP sensitivity and a granular type of attention over their own self.

18 Jan, 2010, 8:00am, dove wrote:

What he describes sounds like possession. If this is correct, which part would be considered to be possessed--the body, the lower mind, or the higher mind?

It is possession.

The only parts that can be hijacked to my knowledge are from the interconnect down. The spiritual part does not seem to be directly hijack-able. I might be wrong though.

I am working from a technical understanding that has some small holes here and there.

18 Jan, 2010, 8:00am, dove wrote:

Is there a way to stop/prevent this hi-jacking from happening?

Yes.

Back before I saw the males in person and realized they were Greys. I was given a few lessons by the advisor about how some procedures are done on people.

At the time it was purely theory since I hadn't yet seen it in person myself.

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She explained that in order for ET's to gain control over someone they have to hijack the influence of the person. Once in control they trip the interconnect causing the interconnect to temporarily disconnect. (causing unconsciousness)

She gave me preemptive warning out of the blue as to what I might be able to do in such a case if it ever happened.

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One night it did happen.

What she did tell me that was critical to understand is that ET's need to establish the link to our interconnect or our interconnect centers.

Once they have the psi link established, they can issue new influence modifiers using their own field (issuing changes to the field status and state) and compel it to do things under their direct control. The victims body (nervous system, tissues and all etc), their consciousness and even their perception can be affected.

But to do all that, they first need to attain a "psychic lock" of some kind on the persons field.

What I did, is in the midst of panic in realizing what was happening. I began rotating the consistency of my field very rapidly by cycling it as she taught me..

To the Grey Male, I was a shifting psychic pattern and configuration that it should theoretically not be able to attain a "psychic hold" on.

My patterns consistency/polarization/configuration kept randomly changing and the Grey Males concentration didn't appear to be able to keep up.

After a few seconds it appeared to release it's hold seemingly as it's initial control slipped.

Boom, I was free.

It seems what she taught me, had indeed worked in real life. (Thanks ****** <Advisors name)

The rest of the night was an eye popping experience of realizing for that I had just stared at the confused Male for the first time. And even more surprised that I had seen a Grey. That it's mind, it's psychic pattern, it's mere presence stirred recall from my youth.

That the voice of the various ET's I shared telepathy with; did indeed have physical bodies like mine. That this was a mistake in progress and they were panic'ed as it was not going to plan.

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One of the knowledgeable Admins claims it was me shifting brain patterns. But I disagree.

One of the males started stunning me from the area near my hips up.

So it did not start at my head. And I very well know how they perform many of their talents and the given limitation that are inherently there.

It appears there is enough substance in the Advisors lessons to dampen the mood of a very real ET abduction team.

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It appears that the small Grey males use a psychic stunning technique that feels like static on the body.

I felt it like psychic flux or static of a specific kind. Given enough time I could probably replicate the pattern. But who would I be willing to even test it on? (No one!)

The fields of the human body are apparently reconfigured to a flux type that starts the process of loss of consciousness or completes the immobilization.

As long as you prevent them from attaining the psychic hold on your own personal field it should be enough to keep them from stunning you into unconsciousness.

Secondary attempts are to change the influence in your own skull to make you feel incredibly sleepy. I mean 7 days and 7 nights without sleep....sleepy!

If you fall for the suggestion and the influence manipulation you'll probably fall asleep while standing if it were possible.

I do not know how to counteract that part.

I hope this was thorough enough.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 18 Jan, 2010, 12:20pm

I suspect that is ones of the reasons the grey I saw initially was looking, but then moved away. The widening of its eyes ever so slightly does suggest it either gave up, or the fact I was looking at it consciously caused it to give up and hand over to the other glowing one.

At the time I was quite excited, I suppose this may be a state which causes things to be hard to lock on. Certainly the tripping of the interconnect would make sense, and would have been performed during the Q&A session while I was looking at it.

Now, is there any way at all [short of poking myself in the eye at the time] of breaking out of that stare down they do?

Alternatively, could I do to them what they are doing to me? [Just for the pure comedy, "Action stations! Pontificator is attempting to formulate a method for humans to abduct our abduction team leaders!"*chatter*"That man is scary... he said he wanted to talk to the bugs because they were chatty"*chitter*"Yes, I tried to get away but he used the retinas of his eyes to see what I looked like!"*mutter*"Quick, the tentacle monster, surely that will scare him!"].

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 18 Jan, 2010, 3:10pm

18 Jan, 2010, 10:17am, 14 wrote:

All women want two things.

1. An emotional connection to positive feelings.
2. Phenomenal Sex

Good luck, Fore.

lol, really? That's all we want? I didn't realize that... Oh, I guess you didn't say that those are the *only* things women want.

18 Jan, 2010, 10:39am, fore wrote:

Err...

In reality, most well adjusted folks seem to desire many things. Those two are just a tiny part of the big picture.

It's important to realize that everyone is a world unto themselves.

Yeah. What he said.

Some women (and men, for that matter) are very complex. Not all women fit into the category that you may have experienced in your (I'm guessing) short time on this planet. Maybe the two things you listed are important to a lot of people, but some require (or desire) much more than that, depending--obviously--on their personality and their life circumstances.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 18 Jan, 2010, 3:41pm

@ Fore

I'm going on the assumption that we are all interconnected somehow, which is what enables us to telepath with one another and heal each other from a distance, or to know when a relative has been hurt or whatever. I think what you are calling 'spirit consciousness' is this grid-like network or consciousness.

So higher mind = individuated higher self, and spiritual consciousness = networked human (and maybe other) consciousness, maybe?

I can only guess that the spiritual consciousness is GOD, aka, all of consciousness--everywhere. Is it rather something else, perhaps another 'layer' of our individuated consciousness?

Would you agree that this spiritual consciousness is the overall GOD consciousness that connects everything/one, or would you think that humans themselves have a separate (networked) consciousness structure from other species?

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Btw, I just want to mention that what you guys do on the forum (mostly you, WM, and a couple other people) really does help others. Sometimes there will be just one shard of information which makes a big difference. It seems to like ping something in me or fill in a gap which I had in my understanding. Like a puzzle piece. Sometimes this information is *very* important (to me, at least).

The way WM has presented his recent list of questions (and subsequently made a synopsis from the answers) is exceptionally helpful. It nicely groups things together in a format that even I can understand.

So, anyways, thanks to you guys for putting this type of information out there. It really has helped a lot.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 14 on 18 Jan, 2010, 9:17pm

I'm cutting to the core of all wants/needs and taking them down. The phenomnel sex part, might of tipped a few of you off, but it was half-joking.

The emotional connection needs to be looked further into for you guys to further understand what I mean.

Emotional connection depends on each women and there psyche. If you can establish a womans wants/needs through conversation, then you can use them to see if they link to yourself. If not, and you like said women and would like her to give yourself a chance, you link her wants/needs to you in a positive manner. Most of this requires a sense of self-confidence, an intellect of interpersonal relationships and a spark of charm.

You CAN be ANYTHING you WANT to BE. [NOTE: I am not suggesting lying. The idea is if the ideal man for said woman is tall and muscular = brave and being able to protect. If you are brave and able to protect said woman, then she will view you as what she NEEDS in a man, which is the core of the wants.] The idea is to get said women to give you a chance, to notice you. If you truley are the person for said lady, it will work out.

But, if you are still holding on to wait for the woman you were told you were going to meet and marry, then go for it. But, maybe I was put here in this time and spot...writing this message, knowing what I know, to help you? How do we know this isn't all part of the plan?

I'm doing this because from what I gathered Fore, you seem lonley in the women department. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. If not, I hope anything I have said will help you.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 18 Jan, 2010, 11:23pm

18 Jan, 2010, 9:17pm, 14 wrote:

I'm cutting to the core of all wants/needs and taking them down. The phenomnel sex part, might of tipped a few of you off, but it was half-joking.

The emotional connection needs to be looked further into for you guys to further understand what I mean.

Emotional connection depends on each women and there psyche. If you can establish a womans wants/needs through conversation, then you can use them to see if they link to yourself. If not, and you like said women and would like her to give yourself a chance, you link her wants/needs to you in a positive manner. Most of this requires a sense of self-confidence, an intellect of interpersonal relationships and a spark of charm.

I understood your joke.

But if the advisor were here right now I would be joking to her about this specifically about what you said and the resulting reactions:

That I found it sort of funny how people react if you appealed to their animal desires. (Sex)

But if you appeal to their emotional or mental desires they don't feel halfway as offended.

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The mental joke would be complicated to understand if you don't grasp several fascets of what is meant by saying it.

Meaning, if you appeal to someones animal nature then that is bound to raise a stink. But if you appeal to their higher forms of being then it pleases them.

In itself it is an advanced trait of composure but the joke is in the implications. Non-hedonistic folks would find it really offensive to appeal to their physical desires while hedonists would probably appreciate it more than non-hedonists.

It says something interesting about the nature of people. Something that is perhaps even contradictory in a sense.

The first thing people seek is visual attraction or appeal. But, at the same time they generally tend to feel insulted if that issue is raised openly or plainly.

But emotional/mental appeals or pleasant appeasement is usually secondary in most folks as an indicator of whether someone is right for them, yet, it is seemingly the first most acceptable comment that someone might make.

It's contradictory and in itself funny in a complicated way.

Right about now the advisor would have said something witty or funny in her own way. <<sigh>>

18 Jan, 2010, 9:17pm, 14 wrote:

You CAN be ANYTHING you WANT to BE. [NOTE: I am not suggesting lying. The idea is if the ideal man for said woman is tall and muscular = brave and being able to protect. If you are brave and able to protect said woman, then she will view you as what she NEEDS in a man, which is the core of the wants.] The idea is to get said women to give you a chance, to notice you. If you truley are the person for said lady, it will work out.

I understand what you are ~trying~ to say.

But something are experienced vs said.

It goes without saying that there are variations of wants and likes in people.

18 Jan, 2010, 9:17pm, 14 wrote:

I'm doing this because from what I gathered Fore, you seem lonley in the women department. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. If not, I hope anything I have said will help you.

It's not women, its everything.

I dunno how to put it any other way.

It is like people who die and go to heaven.

When they come back after an NDE and compare here to there, they feel this is a pale comparison to that experience.

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For me it is like that. There is one person you grow looking up to and who interacts and shares with you in ways that normal human beings can't.

Being separated is like an idling pain. The pain of noticeable absence...of incredible and deafening silence.

The types of sharing you once took for granted are now unable to be done in the same way as with a regular human being.

It is like a bonded person suddenly losing their critical half. Knowing that if there is anyone else....it will be nearly impossible to find in the same way.

Where before it was a reciprocal interaction, now, it is simply like extraneous extensions that crave feedback but that barely anyone exists to fulfill it (down here).

So it is not "a woman" primarily. It is a missing community. A missing number of like-friends. It is a missing experience. It is deeply depressing.

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The only obvious solutions is to lay the extensions of these experiences on the chopping block and amputating them off in the hopes that somehow you won't crave the feedback or the higher level interactions.

It is like that guy in the movie District 9 when he is changing. He grabs that knife/ax and tries to cut it off in the hopes that somehow things will stop.

Well, in my case, it feels very lonely (in a sense).

Dealing with people on a regular basis who aren't what you'd hope for is disappointing sometimes. You don't feel that connection. It's simply some person in front of you whom can only interact in a certain way and only at a certain level.

You feel deeply disenchanted at times.

My experience has it's ramifications. Very real ones.

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Personal rant:

It bothers me slightly, when people like ex-member "Mur" can sit there on other forums and make fun of anothers personal experience when they themselves reflect alot of the same pain inside themselves.

He knows the ups and downs of a relationship. He knows the contrast between the feeling of "being okay" at one time and the sharp contrasting emptiness that follows.

Yet somehow he can bare it to point and stare and make fun of someone else who knows an even broader pain and discomfort than he does. That covers not just a single relationship.

I can go out into the world and strike up a conversation with anyone and do it easily. Even more so if my psi abilities are turned on. But 99% of them won't satisfy the level of interaction I feel I have a ache and need for.

Try living that down Mur.

On the day where your personal disbelief (or disbelief in others accounts) in matters of ET are laid to rest. I hope you get to experience a mere conversation with one of he ones like my advisor.

Whatever witty remark may cross your mind, you will suddenly realize the sudden contrasting experience I was relaying earlier in your life.

I hope that in that conversation you feel and experience the level of interaction. I hope at that moment you realize that everything I had said was totally true. That it makes you look down on yourself and notice how incredibly unfair you were before it all became obvious on "Contact day".

Your pain and needs will eventually heal in the coming years, but I am not so (honestly) sure mine can. I am pretty sure I will figure something out somehow at some point.

Mur if it really makes you feel better, keep making fun of my personal experiences I understand you don't realize it yet and that you need to act out in this way because that is what people do when they don't actually yet know of these things as an actual reality.

Share your laughter with Toon, a man who is far more desolate than you. (contrary to his essential claims)

I want you to do it openly until your cup overruns with intense glee.

If this is what you feel you need to act outon, then go ahead. Whatever makes you feel better. (Of course, I won't agree)

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It is your choice to simply and endlessly consume time (like toon) over some forum that you got booted out of many months ago (or in toons case, years ago).

Move on bud, it's time.

If you don't believe what I had to say, okay. I understand there are any number of explanations you must cling to. Take in all of Toons diatribe (if necessary) or devise your own as supporting evidence for why it....just...."isn't so".

But since these are parting words of a friend to you. (as you will not be addressed again in the future)

Don't get stuck with those folk who do nothing but ache endlessly about nothing important. You are better than that. At least put your internal mindset in order and move on to better things.

If and when you come to realize that I am not mind<bleep> anyone. A simple silent internal apology for a bud you knew in the past, is all that I ask.

If the ET's have to be there in front of you for you to take it seriously, then so be it. I accept your current criticisms for the present until it becomes a personal or world wide event for you.

Believe it or not, I understand that some people need it to be this way. For some, there is no way around it, it just has to be in front of them.

Till then, Farewell bud.

It was nice knowing you while you were around. Just please do not dwell on the past and waste precious future time. I trust that you have better things to spend your time on. (well I hope)

Whatever grievances you had with OMF should be (if it pleases you) settled in one day. Otherwise, you'll be dedicating an unhealthy amount of time and wasting it on something that doesn't actually matter anymore and can't be changed.

It is up to you.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 18 Jan, 2010, 11:38pm

@Fore, is this more or less what we would be looking at?

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or is the translation gate more like a separation layer between both realities? versus an overlay over both. it might a matter of viewing angle though not sure.

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Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 19 Jan, 2010, 12:19am

18 Jan, 2010, 11:38pm, wildmage wrote:

@Fore, is this more or less what we would be looking at?

[image]

Thats close enough but there is a mistake.

Phased masses (ET's/UFO's) are still in the physical universe.

Their counterpart in the Influence also exists just like ours. That is why psi users can feel them even if they can't see them with the unaided eye.

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They keep their "phased" bodies, crafts and habitats above the "ground floor phase" (where we live) to probably insulate themselves and/or avoid the *full side* effects of our ground floor of reality.

[I don't think I should have spilled that....]

They are still physically "Tranlated" masses in a higher phased state....but the "ground floor phase" of reality has more of a penalty in store for them.

Think of it this way, lets say you are the Advisor sitting in a craft in Dimension X.

When you use the "Translation Gate" Phenomena to put yourself into our native Dimension with its naturally applicable laws. They don't decide to stay "phased" at the "Ground Floor" of our reality.

Why?

Because they leak all sorts of exotic decaying particles/radiation from an incomplete conversion and/or from their naturally occurring psychic fields that cause anomalous disturbances within our reality.

As an ET who "leaks" at the ground floor, it would be better to stay above the "Ground Floor Phase" where humanity live. They enjoy the advantages of stealth, lack the potency of gravity and time (potential) time differentials/offsets.

If the "Ground Floor Phase" is like the frying pan. They stay above it for any number of reasons.

When they are ready for an Encounters of the 3rd 4th or 5th, they simply have the option of fully converting, or they can stay in their semi-converted state and glow and emit radiation profusely.

(Frying Pan effect I guess I will now call it)

Many of the concepts being discussed are topics which no one had ever really though to ask me about and the only references I have are non-verbal as only the ET's tend to talk about it or use references to it.

So forgive me if I am making up a ton of human words for it in this last week. But I find it hard to convert the concepts and conversations back into an equivalent English wording.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 19 Jan, 2010, 12:23am

@ WM

Translation Tables and Translation Gateways are two different things.

The first exists in a the psychic body's "Interconnect Centers", while the second is for Trans-dimensional traversal.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 19 Jan, 2010, 12:26am

I think I understand what you are logically trying to imply by "Translation Gate" in your depiction.

But unfortunately that is not how the advisor depicted it. She never stated that the interconnect itself acts as a translation gate. Unfortunately this is one of those holes that I simply do not know the answer to.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 19 Jan, 2010, 12:32am

Someone foreign is again giving me nudges to explain something else I know of, to you. But I fear it will add unnecessary complexity. The depth of the information may be just a tad too much.

But I will do as it urges and hope that it goes well in the explanations.

The entity was urging me to tell you, that you should depict the information in a various phased states as opposed to a top down graph to make it clearer.

It is also urging me to explain what probability "lock-in" conceptually looks like and how it gives some ET's a ~field of temporal view~ advantages (paraphrased into English). But I resist because I think it will be too complicated and that things should go slower to ease people into various key understandings.

I am not sure, but I think this entity is really....I mean REALLY....interested in getting that information out there.

It's all so very strange.

[Edit: If you give me slices of the rendering I will turn them into a Gif animation so that it becomes clearer. The entity is showing me conceptual graphs and color shifted concepts but I think you'd need a design artist or something to accomplish that.]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 19 Jan, 2010, 12:39am

How is this one Fore?

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Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 19 Jan, 2010, 12:41am

That's pretty good.

Though the translation gateway is out of place as it doesn't really belong in that graph.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 19 Jan, 2010, 12:53am

kk removed the translation gateway, and interconnect label, the lines now serve as the connectors.

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Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 19 Jan, 2010, 12:57am

I will start deconstructing this into it's various components as requested, so you can use them as needed. Sounds like it will be an interesting gif.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 19 Jan, 2010, 12:57am

Looks good.

Could you keep the interconnect part though?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 19 Jan, 2010, 1:01am

19 Jan, 2010, 12:57am, wildmage wrote:

I will start deconstructing this into it's various components as requested, so you can use them as needed. Sounds like it will be an interesting gif.

Once you have a sufficient picture of the interplay. You will be able to make testable postulations based on the models and see if the graphs and understandings are indeed the case in real life.

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The next step beyond that is to use the graphs against test cases so that you can determine whether it has been noted before in events.

Obviously the graphs can't encompass the full volume of understandings but it can (thanks to your hard work!) make it easy enough for people to understand.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 19 Jan, 2010, 1:09am

18 Jan, 2010, 11:23pm, fore wrote:

This isn't uncommon, like I said before. We are victims of Fun.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 19 Jan, 2010, 1:13am

With tripping the interconnects off, could I, lets say, trip off only one interconnect and link it via a conduit to the higher mind?

If so, it would have major implications...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 19 Jan, 2010, 1:20am

19 Jan, 2010, 1:13am, pontificator wrote:

With tripping the interconnects off, could I, lets say, trip off only one interconnect and link it via a conduit to the higher mind?

If so, it would have major implications...

I honestly do not understand what you mean by this question?

Could you clarify?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 14 on 19 Jan, 2010, 1:34am

Fore,

Would it be safe to say you are addicted to the connection of the advisor and the other beings of the like? Being apart of something "more"? If so, dive into interaction within groups on human levels. Feel like what it is like to be truley human! Addiction to this connection of interaction will pass in time and the best cure is interaction with loved ones. Family, friends and lovers. As long as the interaction is positive, you WILL feel something with these people. Maybe not as phenomenal and great as what you have experienced, but unfortunatly you need to let that go. You need to take a step back and see what we see and settle for the things we feel. The greatest feeling of connection and interaction is love!

I wish you luck with your "normal" life voyage and I hope you find what you are looking for. [Even if you don't know what you are looking for just, yet] I believe it is a sense of relativity, so you can make that connection with us regular folk. Perhaps part of the chess game that has been going on. I believe you will feel connection through interaction and realizes that there's more to us, then you might know just yet.

You are a large encyclopedia of knowledge into things none of us know too much about. What do regular people have to offer? Interaction with one another. An attempt to make some connection, some meaningful relationships out of this chaotic world; would be key to learning to live a life without an connection the other side.

Who is Mur?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 19 Jan, 2010, 1:46am

Perhaps it should visit and deposit an autographed drawing for you then.

Have you had any side effects from lower your abilities?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 19 Jan, 2010, 1:56am

@Fore, with there being various interconnect centers across the body, would it be possible to disconnect the Host from one of those interconnect centers, and connect yourself to that interconnect point instead?

As has been mentioned before, it is normal for an ET to disconnect the human's higher mind before proceeding with the manipulation.

This is opposed to simply overwhelming the human with a higher more concise influence output.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 19 Jan, 2010, 2:05am

KK Here is the final diagram ... I think

And i broke the components up into 3 separate picture files hope these work for what you have in mind.

1.)

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2.)

3.)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 19 Jan, 2010, 2:31am

Something just took an extreme interest in that diagram set, my tinnitus just switched off.
--10mins later--
Okay, seems to be back now.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 19 Jan, 2010, 2:56am

19 Jan, 2010, 1:34am, 14 wrote:

Fore,

Would it be safe to say you are addicted to the connection of the advisor and the other beings of the like? Being apart of something "more"? If so, dive into interaction within groups on human levels. Feel like what it is like to be truley human!

...How does the average psi levels determine someone being "truley human"?

To be honest Fore might have a better idea of what that means then anyone here!

We have nothing to compare to, he does. How can you judge humanity without comparison?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 14 on 19 Jan, 2010, 3:49am

19 Jan, 2010, 2:56am, 369 wrote:

19 Jan, 2010, 1:34am, 14 wrote:

You can't. It was a pun. I tend to write with a slight humour to everything, but I can see how you got lost.

What is it really like to be human? With psi abilities and the likes it impossible to tell what we are capable of and where we come from. Or what it even all means!

When I said what it is to be human, think of it as in generalities... The mass of humans on this planet do not have psi, do not have connection with the outside forces. They have to make do with what they have, in the standard reality of the third dimension. They have to make there interactions to establish connection. Through this connection they achieve happiness, love and a profound joy. That for them, is all they have. They don't have the experiences Fore has had. Therefore, they cannot relate. None of us can. This is why I'm advising Fore to learn the life and the connections we all currently have learned to have and enjoy.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 19 Jan, 2010, 4:08am

19 Jan, 2010, 12:23am, fore wrote:

@ WM

Translation Tables and Translation Gateways are two different things.

The first exists in a the psychic body's "Interconnect Centers", while the second is for Trans-dimensional traversal.

Ah ... that just lit off a whole slew of lightbulbs in my head.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 19 Jan, 2010, 4:43am

19 Jan, 2010, 12:32am, fore wrote:

Someone foreign is again giving me nudges to explain something else I know of, to you. But I fear it will add unnecessary complexity. The depth of the information may be just a tad too much.

But I will do as it urges and hope that it goes well in the explanations.

The entity was urging me to tell you, that you should depict the information in a various phased states as opposed to a top down graph to make it clearer.

It is also urging me to explain what probability "lock-in" conceptually looks like and how it gives some ET's a ~field of temporal view~ advantages (paraphrased into English). But I resist because I think it will be too complicated and that things should go slower to ease people into various key understandings.

I am not sure, but I think this entity is really....I mean REALLY....interested in getting that information out there.

It's all so very strange.

[Edit: If you give me slices of the rendering I will turn them into a Gif animation so that it becomes clearer. The entity is showing me conceptual graphs and color shifted concepts but I think you'd need a design artist or something to accomplish that.]

Interesting, because I have been connecting in a lot of your writing into temporally shifted events. Where the mirror universe could be pushed into an over the horizon probabilities construct.

'Lock in' sounds interesting ... in the sense of given a specific set there is a locked in tip point. However my current understanding maybe flawed in that I tend to see this as limited to a defined boundary area and extending externally outward from this boundary can shift the locked in position. What i do not understand is if the locked in kernel can be morphed or mitigated. For example the kernel is locked though events have not occurred yet, they will and per probabilities this will not change, however in an extended boundary things can be changed in such a way that the kernel event becomes much less problematic. A shift in focus to a larger kernel or larger set of probabilities like taking 1 table locked in and then surrounding the vectors coming off the table into with other tables as modifier toward a morphed goal of undoing what would have occurred had the vectors been allowed to propagate.

Yes there is an interest, precisely why or how I do not know, but I can pick out certain events and project from them and pretty much see what will occur. In some of those instances it would appear that it is a natural function over which the participants have no alternate or are unable to see what those alternates are. Mostly due to emotional saturation or overload of the decision process. Sometimes baser negative instincts override what is a known bad decision, usually group based, this usually leads to repercussion afflicting one or more of the members in the group.

For example our restructuring of your data into an accessible format took considerable effort to keep certain aspects out that still belong in an over the horizon template. A lot of balancing to ensure certain lines were not crossed. It is a sensation or gut almost sick to my stomach feeling I get if I am pushing this boundary into a dangerous area. I have recognized it as a queue to back off and leave certain aspects alone. Just typing a portion of this last paragraph queued part of that.

To answer your curiosity it is more of providing a vector from which other members or even possibly some lurking in the background with a light bulb moment. This tend to push things into new directions and allows certain other aspects to come out into the open in a natural manner. Alternately they stay locked and out of reach, unless someone is willing to pay the price per-say of returning or locking in a probability set that ripples or disrupts their personal status quo.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 19 Jan, 2010, 4:50am

14,

Quote:

Who is Mur?

He is a member of these forums. I don't know the dude, but have read hundreds of his posts, and he appears to be one of the more normal dudes around here; a logical thinker, has ideas of his own(from what i could gather) and is good at expressing them.

I haven't seen him post since I got back from being banned for like 6 months or something, so I was wondering if he was still around.

He was active in the Source A threads when they actually made some sense.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 19 Jan, 2010, 4:55am

I just did a quick check, and it appears he got banned in June, just like me. That's a shame too, cuz he was tied for my favourite person on here with Fore, Dan coming in second.

I had no idea.

Anyone know why?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 14 on 19 Jan, 2010, 7:34am

This confuses me then. Fore was your post regarding Mur, directed at me? Or was it directed at Mur, who apparently isn't around anymore?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by traynor on 19 Jan, 2010, 8:06am

fore wrote:

Quote:

For me it is like that. There is one person you grow looking up to and who interacts and shares with you in ways that normal human beings can't.

Being separated is like an idling pain. The pain of noticeable absence...of incredible and deafening silence.

The types of sharing you once took for granted are now unable to be done in the same way as with a regular human being.

It is like a bonded person suddenly losing their critical half. Knowing that if there is anyone else....it will be nearly impossible to find in the same way.

Where before it was a reciprocal interaction, now, it is simply like extraneous extensions that crave feedback but that barely anyone exists to fulfill it (down here).

So it is not "a woman" primarily. It is a missing community. A missing number of like-friends. It is a missing experience. It is deeply depressing.

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The only obvious solutions is to lay the extensions of these experiences on the chopping block and amputating them off in the hopes that somehow you won't crave the feedback or the higher level interactions.

It is like that guy in the movie District 9 when he is changing. He grabs that knife/ax and tries to cut it off in the hopes that somehow things will stop.

Well, in my case, it feels very lonely (in a sense).

Dealing with people on a regular basis who aren't what you'd hope for is disappointing sometimes. You don't feel that connection. It's simply some person in front of you whom can only interact in a certain way and only at a certain level.

You feel deeply disenchanted at times.

My experience has it's ramifications. Very real ones.

There may be no solace for you in ordinary interactions, but you may be losing far less than you have gained by your experiences.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 19 Jan, 2010, 11:50pm

Quote:

Secondary attempts are to change the influence in your own skull to make you feel incredibly sleepy. I mean 7 days and 7 nights without sleep....sleepy!

If you fall for the suggestion and the influence manipulation you'll probably fall asleep while standing if it were possible.

I do not know how to counteract that part.

Might be related, but once I remember feeling incrediblly sleepy before going to sleep. I felt a presence in my room (ET maybe) and remember counteracting it by.. the best way I can describe it is just maintaining a state of presence.

Not very technical, but it worked. The best way I can describe is just stilling the mind as if in meditation. The feeling went away and I heard a very plain voice say

"Don't do that" or something to that affect. I relented and went to sleep.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by traynor on 20 Jan, 2010, 4:59am

19 Jan, 2010, 11:50pm, dreamoftheiris wrote:

Quote:

One of the unusual side effects of Robert Monroe's OBE experiences was sudden onset drowsiness, almost narcolepsy, during which he was powerfully compelled to sleep. He associated it with a need by his "other part" to separate from his physical body and do something, of which his "conscious part" had no knowledge or memory. It is actually fairly common among those who do OBEs.

I have never heard or read about anyone thinking it was harmful, or that it needed to be resisted. In fact, the opposite seems far more to be the case--the "other part" is doing damage control, repair, or some other relatively complex activity and needs the "conscious part" parked safely in a relatively motionless state so it can devote its full attention to the task at hand.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 20 Jan, 2010, 5:48am

The advisor is up and about. Though she is telling me to pretend she isn't.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by meret on 20 Jan, 2010, 6:25am

I will pretend that you are pretending that the advisor is absent.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 20 Jan, 2010, 6:29am

Advisor? What advisor?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 20 Jan, 2010, 7:45am

20 Jan, 2010, 5:48am, fore wrote:

The advisor is up and about. Though she is telling me to pretend she isn't.

You are not alone... I had a star literally go from dim to bright the back down to dim tonight...Not the normal bright this was airplane spotlight bright, back down to very dim star. At least 7-8 magnitudes in difference in both directions (dim,bright,dim). Either something letting me know they were there or, based on my reaction of "oh really" as the star went bright my reaction was akin to "an are you sure you want to do this". The object was not moving as far as I can tell or at least it was not in a transversal path to my line of site relative to me.

Later it was more or less a thought claiming "we are here to protect you." who knows, have had stranger occurrences.

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Sounds like they need to stabilize what we have been up to, or at minimum allow the advisor to have a voice in the latest developments, at least before they can allow you move forward.

I'm going to say listen carefully to what the advisor has to say and weigh it in at full weight, do not discount it. She has been protecting you for quite a while, me wanting to know or trying to get this info out in a simplified set is secondary to the safety of all involved.

If there is a happy middle ground fine, if not then I am ok with just letting it go. I'm figuring part of this is going to be damage control from your group's perspective.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 20 Jan, 2010, 9:09am

However, we must ask the question, assuming the advisor were actually here, would she be against this because her group is against it, or would she be against it because "the others" want it that way and she must agree?

The answer to that question will create a very compelling image of either sides philosophy.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 20 Jan, 2010, 11:30am

The advisor is acting strange.

First she tells me that she is interested "in your friends". ??

Then she floats the idea of meeting just one of you. I asked why?

Then I told her make it dove cause I don't want you to talk to pontificator. She seems puzzled as to why I asked for dove instead of Pontif. (I suppose she intends to meddle in these things)

From there she stopped talking as if no action or decision is being made or she simply stopped communicating in my direction.

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Best guess, they are up to something real strange.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 20 Jan, 2010, 11:39am

It's been two or three times now that she has asked me to keep her presence a secret from the people I talk to on this forum.

Lately, when she shows up out of the blue, it is always for a strategy session or a meeting of some kind in my group.

She is the "bold type", as in, she will make her presence known even when people hold contrary opinions..

That is her typical personality. So I find it strange that she is lurking in the background and asking me to keep her presence a secret or low key, when I have told people a lot about her already.

That is atypical.

She's usually the show off ET who loves to read people or answer their questions. I wonder if she has changed somewhat since I have known her.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 20 Jan, 2010, 11:53am

20 Jan, 2010, 7:45am, wildmage wrote:

20 Jan, 2010, 5:48am, fore wrote:

The advisor is up and about. Though she is telling me to pretend she isn't.

I wouldn't read into it.

If I were you I would consider it a super strange anomaly.

20 Jan, 2010, 7:45am, wildmage wrote:

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Sounds like they need to stabilize what we have been up to, or at minimum allow the advisor to have a voice in the latest developments, at least before they can allow you move forward.

I'm going to say listen carefully to what the advisor has to say and weigh it in at full weight, do not discount it. She has been protecting you for quite a while, me wanting to know or trying to get this info out in a simplified set is secondary to the safety of all involved.

If there is a happy middle ground fine, if not then I am ok with just letting it go. I'm figuring part of this is going to be damage control from your group's perspective.

I dunno what she is up to but she is being very transient and not approaching me.

Though as an interesting coincidence to your star. The light pole in front of my house appears to shut off entirely around the time when I heard her.

I have also seen it only turn off when I can tell there is something/craft/presence nearby my home.

It's always on and doesn't seem to malfunction, except in the times when I get in hot water and I feel their monitoring nearby. I have noticed the odd correlations.

It leaves the entire street really dark and looks pretty spooky.

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She and I touched a few brief topics like my abilities and such. But she seems to be barely paying me any serious attention when we talk intermittently.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 20 Jan, 2010, 12:08pm

20 Jan, 2010, 9:09am, pontificator wrote:

However, we must ask the question, assuming the advisor were actually here, would she be against this because her group is against it, or would she be against it because "the others" want it that way and she must agree?

The answer to that question will create a very compelling image of either sides philosophy.

I just read your post. Strange you should ask those questions.

I am keeping my eyes and mind peeled for those answers.

To be honest there has been some light increase in activity but no one has come down to personally threaten me. Though the males and the administration of the males seems to be interested in repressing my desire to speak up about various topics.

The advisor hasn't said anything really negative about my activity though....she usually would have.

Knowing her, she is on the prowl.

It is likely she will gain info on all of you guys if they haven't already gotten everything they need in the course of these events.

Typical Group policy is to down play these kinds of incidents. While the Advisor usually does the opposite within a pretty definable limit.

At times she enforces the groups wishes. At other times she is the type of person who loves to prove skeptics totally wrong and keep people guessing. (much to the detriment of some of the males opinions)

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I have no clue what she is up to.

The males and their group half is far more predictable.

They usually tend to manipulate the situation and gain control over events and the perceptions of people witnessing it.

Why she would bring up the idea of visiting one of you seems to be her typical style but runs contrary to the usual admonishments of the group policy.

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If the past is any indication, she will start out by distributing and propagating totally alike messages between individuals. Usual methods she always used was sleep control and dream control.

The people will wake up and report exactly the same experiences from hundreds or thousands of miles apart.

The next thing she usually does is TM/TI (Thought Manipulation/Insemination).

She always did her trick where she compels people to say and repeat the same sorts of messages. Almost with no variance between the words.

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Anyway, I discouraged her from messing with pontif because he is acting as my proxy. And so far he is doing an okay job. I don't want her meddling in what is going on since I know she is liable to enact group policy if they ask her to.

Edit: Even another forum member and I were bewildered at how smooth the sailing suddenly was and how it all turned out so easily.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 20 Jan, 2010, 1:03pm

arrrggg, keep her away! The last thing I need is a visitation from a super beautiful alien female to taint my view of all womankind on earth... *cough*seriously.

Is there a way of bouncing back the thought insemination process so that the perpetrator receives a heavy dose of a "preprepared" package?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 20 Jan, 2010, 1:04pm

20 Jan, 2010, 11:30am, fore wrote:

The advisor is acting strange.

First she tells me that she is interested "in your friends". ??

Then she floats the idea of meeting just one of you. I asked why?

Then I told her make it dove cause I don't want you to talk to pontificator. She seems puzzled as to why I asked for dove instead of Pontif. (I suppose she intends to meddle in these things)

From there she stopped talking as if no action or decision is being made or she simply stopped communicating in my direction.

20 Jan, 2010, 12:08pm, fore wrote:

Why she would bring up the idea of visiting one of you seems to be her typical style but runs contrary to the usual admonishments of the group policy.

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Anyway, I discouraged her from messing with pontif because he is acting as my proxy. And so far he is doing an okay job. I don't want her meddling in what is going on since I know she is liable to enact group policy if they ask her to.

Oh, so you put me up on the offering block instead?

I don't think she'll go for it...

Quote:

If the past is any indication, she will start out by distributing and propagating totally alike messages between individuals. Usual methods she always used was sleep control and dream control.

The people will wake up and report exactly the same experiences from hundreds or thousands of miles apart.

Strange you should mention that. I was sleeping when all the latest posting happened. When I woke up, I felt as though I had dreamed a *lot*. I would think that I could remember them, as vivid as they were when they were happening, but I brought nothing back. May have been because I didn't lay there quietly thinking about them; just sat right up, and of course, the memories were gone instantly.

{edit: The oddest part about tonight (rather, last night) was the fact that when I woke up, the sweater I'm wearing was totally unzipped. I did not do that. I remember that I suddenly got very warm last night before I decided to take a nap and I pulled the zipper down a few inches, but I *know* that I did not fully unzip all the way. I highly doubt that I did it even in my sleep. This particular sweater's zipper is quite stubborn at the bottom and it takes a bit of wrangling to get it zipped or unzipped. It's not done gracefully or easily. There's no way I could have done that in my sleep without realizing it.}

Quote:

The next thing she usually does is TM/TI (Thought Manipulation/Insemination).

She always did her trick where she compels people to say and repeat the same sorts of messages. Almost with no variance between the words.

I actually don't know if she will be interested in contacting me or speaking to me. I have a feeling she won't, which would explain why she went silent on you.

It's no fun trying to manipulate someone who has been working on programming their higher mind to continually change the psychic body pattern so that nobody can lock onto it.

At any rate, she might find me "unworthy" of such a visit (I'm sure you know why I say that, Fore). Actually, she's probably quite puzzled as to how someone like me could come up with so many questions that make you stall out.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 20 Jan, 2010, 1:07pm

20 Jan, 2010, 1:03pm, pontificator wrote:

Is there a way of bouncing back the thought insemination process so that the perpetrator receives a heavy dose of a "preprepared" package?

Yes. Anything is possible...

It's called "return to sender". Of course, idk how well that works on all entities (or with TI, in particular). I guess it depends on the strength of the person sending it back. It can and does work with psi attacks, though.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 20 Jan, 2010, 1:21pm

20 Jan, 2010, 1:03pm, pontificator wrote:

arrrggg, keep her away! The last thing I need is a visitation from a super beautiful alien female to taint my view of all womankind on earth... *cough*seriously.

Ah, yes. We lowly earth women will never compare... ::)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by newyorklily on 20 Jan, 2010, 5:41pm

20 Jan, 2010, 11:30am, fore wrote:

I would like to meet your advisor. I know that I am new here but see if she will consider it.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 20 Jan, 2010, 5:58pm

I'm willing throw myself into the mix as a non-experiencer, if that is acceptable.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 20 Jan, 2010, 6:13pm

Very interesting dream this morning when I laid down to take a nap (part of which was distressful to me in its implications). I wonder if the advisor was trying to get some message across to me or if it was just that entity inserting me into the dreamscape of his choice (that happens more than I'd like it to).

Fore, do you know if she attempted to do anything to anyone's dreams today? Yes or no will do. If you think she did, then I will describe what little I remember of the dream so that it can be used for comparison with other people's dreams.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by arkwright on 20 Jan, 2010, 6:32pm

Speaking of unusual dreams:
This morning I had unusually vivid dream of being in a space house, hurling very fast trough tovards the earth. It was magnificent to see the earth trough the window and scary to see it approach so fast. There was quick landing to happen and I woke up suddenly at the "crash". The awakening was fast and complete: my body felt, tense and stressed and my mind was sharp and attentive.
My dreams sometimes have vivid endings that are scripted to include waking as an anticipated event within the story. During such mornings the waking often syncs with my alarmclock and content is relevant for my daily issues. Even for such dream, this morning was unusual. Visuals were more vivid, waking was way more intense and it was not in synch with the clock, though the form of the dream was familiar and the message of being late was relevant regarding my lecture. (also there was something about of insignificance).

After calming down and thinking through it, I came to conclusion that the dream was variation off classical falling-nightmare colored with what I've read here. Adreanaline rush at the end explains how my I felt - apparently they are somewhat common with nightmares.
Still, waking up with such unusual vividity times well with todays speculations of fore's advisor activities - and I had not read that message before sleeping. It doesn't mean that my dream was caused by her - could well be the other party doing blackwashing.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 20 Jan, 2010, 6:46pm

knock knock
who's there
KGB
KGB wh..
(lightly slaps face) vee vill ask the question around here

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Good morning all

Well Fore since it would seem I hijacked this baby and initiated the run from a control position the responsibility would be mine. Unless of course you know I was manipulated into taking the fall position. Ponti and Dove are pretty much innocent in this last run, just answering questions, consolidating information, and asking new questions based on output. If the advisor had me in mind, (based on the star synch) then I will sit with her, as long as no attempt successful or otherwise is made to change my status quo, or temporal path. I will let you add caveats by proxy since you know their capabilities much better then I do.

Alternately she can openly request a full stop, with or without reason I will respect it, if this is what she needs.

To ensure we have everyones attention I am going to fire across the bow of this ship again. As far as I am concerned this is a distraction, to sidetrack, so onward and forward, until such time as clear intentions are expressed.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 20 Jan, 2010, 9:28pm

I allow this discussion to move on.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 20 Jan, 2010, 10:58pm

20 Jan, 2010, 9:28pm, 369 wrote:

I allow this discussion to move on.

lol...how kind of you.

Are we boring you, Dave, or keeping you from something? Which direction do you want the discussion to go?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 20 Jan, 2010, 11:23pm

20 Jan, 2010, 10:58pm, dove wrote:

20 Jan, 2010, 9:28pm, 369 wrote:

I allow this discussion to move on.

lol...how kind of you.

Are we boring you, Dave, or keeping you from something? Which direction do you want the discussion to go?

The thing about it.

The aliens have a perspective of how much info fore can tell to be enough to help a human struggling with the first steps of alien interaction/mentoring or to much that a unworthy person do something "bad" with PSI.

Because they also have a perspective of who should no certain data.

They teach the worthy(perspective). More worthy, more knowledge seems obvious, also exceptions as in error of judgement or blahblahblah ect ect.

And every alien has there own perspective of humans right now.

I talked to something to just add more workers to filter. Instead of blaming people esp a human.

because we have the right to [mess up] up our own race.

Mod Edit: Keep it civil

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 21 Jan, 2010, 12:14am

20 Jan, 2010, 6:13pm, dove wrote:

Very interesting dream this morning when I laid down to take a nap (part of which was distressful to me in its implications). I wonder if the advisor was trying to get some message across to me or if it was just that entity inserting me into the dreamscape of his choice (that happens more than I'd like it to).

Fore, do you know if she attempted to do anything to anyone's dreams today? Yes or no will do. If you think she did, then I will describe what little I remember of the dream so that it can be used for comparison with other people's dreams.

I do not know, I haven't heard from her since that last time.

My dreams were pretty standard. I have been having a hard time sleeping well at night though.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 21 Jan, 2010, 1:26am

onward and forward then

How is a translation table created, as in individual layers and functionality of each layer?

How is a slice of influence activated or deactivated? As in is a slice of programmed influence autonmous, mechanical, or does it need to remain connected to a compatible life force to be active. Does pushing compatible influence thru the interface allow it function as designed from a mechanical, tech bench perspective? What is the shelflife of the component when disconnected from a compatible influence source?

How is a translation table swapped out are we talking custom fit or plug 'n' play components?

How would you describe or categorize the variuos function of the translation tables.

How does the programming of emotion or perception work, is it related to the translation table in any way. Is this akin to inserting a program disk into a computing interface. <<< --- sorry if I seem a bit dense on this one

How is an Interconnect Center programmed?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 21 Jan, 2010, 1:32am

Actually dove there are some anomalies I should put down before I "forget to do it". (pun intended)

Two nights ago, I was laying in bed on my left side trying to get some sleep. I noticed that my thoughts (my personal inner voice) was somehow ?wavering? in it's audio-able intensity volume. It was like it was low and muffled and then suddenly sounded louder than usual.

As if someone was ?somehow? fooling around with my mind and it's composition.

My head felt slightly strange. Like some sort of gentle sensations were passing right through it on the sides of the head. Like light tinged of sensations that were somehow semi-pleasant. The sensations were like tiny beads of sensations passing along the periphery (sides) of the head.

I realized internally, "ah, I have felt and observed this strange feeling before in the distant past only a handful of times. I should mention it on the forum for cataloging purposes. I wonder if anyone else knows about this kind of strange observed anomaly?"

Then I felt the standard impulse that I "shouldn't do that".

I ignored it and decided it was worth sharing. But I haven't shared alot of things till now. (TM?)

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I have felt this anomaly before over the years. in 28 years it has only happened maybe a handful of times. It is as if something is going on in and around your head and you feel sort of light tingling sensations that make you feel lightly weird on the sides of your head.

Your inner voice then seems to fluctuate somewhat as if someone were changing the setting in your own mind.
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The next observation I made during the day that followed is the fleeting moments (seconds) and feelings of disconnectedness. As if some were ~re-tooling~ your personal consciousness.

Then that following night, I noticed the advisors thoughts passing through my mind for just a handful of seconds.

All those familiar mental/emotional/cognitive "signature" sensations that are only found in the advisors mindset.

As soon as it happens, I direct my thoughts right at her as if I caught her red handed in my mind. And the thoughts intensifies and she answers right back. She tells me to pretend she isn't around for now.

But I tell her I will be telling you guys (the forum members about it). She tells me I shouldn't as she desires to skulk around and not be noticed. (Note: She is mentally making a dual meaning reference to signify both the forum members and some *unknown* alleged human group that they all make some reference to, as monitoring my ongoing contacts.)

Hence, they feel uncomfortable when I mention *when or where* they are. Recall that they even cut a very real deal to that effect. Meaning the pulled out a real UFO and other experience to satisfy me into silence.

(They defaulted on the last part of the agreement...so here I am...talking about it.)

Anyway, I disagreed to wait on relaying the experience and I decided to talk about it as it happened. She reacted disappointed and commented that I will be pinning it down time wise if I go ahead and do that. I ignored her and do it anyway.

Then silence.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by stal on 21 Jan, 2010, 1:59am

21 Jan, 2010, 1:32am, fore wrote:

My head felt slightly strange. Like some sort of gentle sensations were passing right through it on the sides of the head. Like light tinged of sensations that were somehow semi-pleasant. The sensations were like tiny beads of sensations passing along the periphery (sides) of the head.

I realized internally, "ah, I have felt and observed this strange feeling before in the distant past only a handful of times. I should mention it on the forum for cataloging purposes. I wonder if anyone else knows about this kind of strange observed anomaly?"

Then I felt the standard impulse that I "shouldn't do that".

I ignored it and decided it was worth sharing. But I haven't shared alot of things till now. (TM?)

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I have felt this anomaly before over the years. in 28 years it has only happened maybe a handful of times. It is as if something is going on in and around your head and you feel sort of light tingling sensations that make you feel lightly weird on the sides of your head.

[color=Orange]Your inner voice then seems to fluctuate somewhat as if someone were changing the setting in your own mind.

i have had that exact thing before, prior to a particular series of events last year. interesting that you mention it now, as i have been thinking about said events all morning, with relation to some of the things you have recently posted.

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edit to add; the events included you and dove btw. and someone is checking me out right now.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 14 on 21 Jan, 2010, 2:25am

Id like to note, reading that post...I felt something dipping into my head, or it could of been a signal within in my head. Felt like that one night when I was pulsating, around that location where I felt said bump on my head.

This statement, is where it started going off in a higher pressure:

"Note: She is mentally making a dual meaning reference to signify both the forum members and some *unknown* alleged human group that they all make some reference to, as monitoring my ongoing contacts.)"

I don't know if this is of any significance to you, as to me, it means nothing.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 21 Jan, 2010, 4:20am

21 Jan, 2010, 1:32am, fore wrote:

Actually dove there are some anomalies I should put down before I "forget to do it". (pun intended)

Two nights ago, I was laying in bed on my left side trying to get some sleep. I noticed that my thoughts (my personal inner voice) was somehow ?wavering? in it's audio-able intensity volume. It was like it was low and muffled and then suddenly sounded louder than usual.

As if someone was ?somehow? fooling around with my mind and it's composition.

My head felt slightly strange. Like some sort of gentle sensations were passing right through it on the sides of the head. Like light tinged of sensations that were somehow semi-pleasant. The sensations were like tiny beads of sensations passing along the periphery (sides) of the head.

I realized internally, "ah, I have felt and observed this strange feeling before in the distant past only a handful of times. I should mention it on the forum for cataloging purposes. I wonder if anyone else knows about this kind of strange observed anomaly?"

Then I felt the standard impulse that I "shouldn't do that".

I ignored it and decided it was worth sharing. But I haven't shared alot of things till now. (TM?)

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I have felt this anomaly before over the years. in 28 years it has only happened maybe a handful of times. It is as if something is going on in and around your head and you feel sort of light tingling sensations that make you feel lightly weird on the sides of your head.

Your inner voice then seems to fluctuate somewhat as if someone were changing the setting in your own mind.

Oddly enough, even though it's not the same phenomenon, what you've described is kind of what happens to my mind (my internal voice and my thinking mind) when I get switched off while I'm knocked out. I try to subvocalize, and it doesn't work.

The words (if I force myself) come very slow if at all. More like the first letter or two of the word will come out--like you can tell that I'm trying to form a sentence, but that's it. Like a stall, but really what's happening is that my imbalance has me turned off and I just can't speak (out loud or internally).

I can sense it happening when I'm not knocked out, also. It is most apparent when I'm trying to type something and get stuck in the middle of a sentence. I have to wait to switch back on before I can finish a thought sometimes. The reason it's not so pronounced is because I can "unstick" myself easier when I am lucid and not 'knocked out' (immobile).

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 21 Jan, 2010, 4:35am

Hmm, with the monitoring third party human group you'd think they'd try to make it less obvious that they are around.

What exactly are they comprised of anyway, anything we should be majorly concerned about? I know they can read, so they really should PM if they have legitimate concerns... [yes, you reading this, don't say I have never offered to speak to you cordially]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by stal on 21 Jan, 2010, 4:50am

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Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 21 Jan, 2010, 6:47am

21 Jan, 2010, 4:35am, pontificator wrote:

Hmm, with the monitoring third party human group you'd think they'd try to make it less obvious that they are around.

What exactly are they comprised of anyway, anything we should be majorly concerned about? I know they can read, so they really should PM if they have legitimate concerns... [yes, you reading this, don't say I have never offered to speak to you cordially]

What I want to know is

Why does it matter?

More specifically, why does it matter if a few humans begin to activate their (very limited and laughable really) psi ability? Doesn't make any sense. Are we (meaning anyone with psi ability) some kind of threat?

I know Montalk's work regarding timeline mainpulation and the possiblity of interferring with that, but beyond that I don't see the real big deal here.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 21 Jan, 2010, 6:49am

@ Fore:

21 Jan, 2010, 4:35am, pontificator wrote:

Hmm, with the monitoring third party human group you'd think they'd try to make it less obvious that they are around.

I was thinking the same thing and didn't mention it (hmm..must of forgot ::)

). Anyways, the question was going to be: what does this other entity (the one helping you) think of all this?

Is he from the third party you've spoken of--or do you not know? Do you recognize his base signature as humanoid or like the advisor?

Would you rather not answer any of those questions?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 21 Jan, 2010, 8:11am

21 Jan, 2010, 6:47am, dreamoftheiris wrote:

21 Jan, 2010, 4:35am, pontificator wrote:

We posted at the same time, Dreamer. Didn't see your response until just a bit ago.

To answer your questions: yes, I think we do present at least a small threat to someone's agenda. There may not be a ton of skilled psi-active humans yet, and they may not be *as* talented/properly trained or powerful as the others, but don't think that we're not at least making them think about it a little.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 21 Jan, 2010, 8:50pm

21 Jan, 2010, 8:11am, dove wrote:

21 Jan, 2010, 6:47am, dreamoftheiris wrote:

What I want to know is

Why does it matter?

More specifically, why does it matter if a few humans begin to activate their (very limited and laughable really) psi ability? Doesn't make any sense. Are we (meaning anyone with psi ability) some kind of threat?

I know Montalk's work regarding timeline manipulation and the possibility of interfering with that, but beyond that I don't see the real big deal here.

We posted at the same time, Dreamer. Didn't see your response until just a bit ago.

I am going to do what I can to get this right.

It is not a threat to someone's agenda, there is an expectation preset that these issues and experiences will be talked about. In understanding human nature it is understandable, when information is present comparisons will be made. What is occurring is a validation request, from a point of recognition that either something occurred, or from a personal perspective we are experiencing mass delusions and sensory hallucinations.

Fore's primary objective is personal validation, as it is for me and many others on these boards.It does not really come down to how this stuff works or does not work, it is about matching up the pieces in a way that they mesh so closely that there is no other choice but to conclude the experience was real. What has been pointed out to Fore is with proof to him in the past that something real was occurring to him. It was not some fantasy or delusion.

Though he would like to replicate this here there are limitations as to what should or should not be done.

We might say that the amount of information currently in the wilds of the Internet at this time is coming to the tip point. Many interested parties are taking not only Fore's information but information from multiple sources and bringing it together and formulating new systems from this. Parts of this actually point to the system Fore's advisor is from, so the information is presented, in such a way to cause small synch and convergences, leading eventually to change certain aspects of where we may have been had this information not been shared.

Smooth sailing is about timing and navigation, no ship is going to win a fight against rocks firmly planted in its path. From this I comfortably extrapolate that sometimes we are simply provided a navigation map to avoid the sandbars and rocks which a little earlier appeared so daunting.

In the instance above where it would have appeared we were going against the grain, it was more about establishing certain aspects as various people start throwing ideas out there, testing hypothesis and blindly experimenting in a poke and prod method waiting for and noting what the reactions were. Sometimes there is simply a crossover where a person has just enough information to actually perform certain things, but not enough to keep things inside of a safe zone. teach a kid to light a fire, but if you do so it may be wise to also teach him the various ways to manage this fire so he keeps not only himself but his own environment safe. What i believe we have here is some kids who just learned how to light the fire, and now it is time to teach them how to manage it correctly. We could essentially let them burn the house down and let them learn the hard way, or we can provide guidance.

Guidance does not mean that it is a validation it is simply a statement of things that have been tried by some and an explanation of what their results were in trying this. It may be tied to some strange experiences in how this knowledge was acquired, but it may be more important to speak up and say yes,no or it works this way then to try and prove where the knowledge came from.

Just a synopsis of where I am currently standing at the moment.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 22 Jan, 2010, 6:41am

20 Jan, 2010, 11:30am, fore wrote:

Whoa. Whoa. I think in all fairness you ought to throw my name in there. Is there any psychic prerequisite for meeting this advisor? If not, tell her about me. I'll be standing by.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Jan, 2010, 10:10am

I dunno if she knows about you. But the males sure do.

In all honesty, they only tend to pay attention to people that matter in the course of events. People who propagate situations or hamper them. Sometimes there is some form of casual curiosity.

Basically, if you aren't an issue, you aren't on their radar.

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If you want to get a visit, become a positive nuisance that propagates information/questions or becomes a center piece in an agenda. Become a target. Then let the bus run you over, trust me, you'll notice it.

Your inherent mental leanings tell me you would be happier in pushing against me rather than with me.

But in that case you'll just be doing them a free favor and you won't get a response that you can point to and say "oh, now they watch me too" or something like that.

Instead, join in on the conversations and make them super uncomfortable by doing (intelligently) what the males do not like. To see intelligent discussion on these subjects. If you see someone mention something, then ask a deeper question or an insightful one.

You'll get a bullzeye painted on you in no time.

You certainly have a psychic field, so you should notice/experience things much more acutely than some people do.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 22 Jan, 2010, 10:51am

@dylan: dylan, there is an ideal opportunity for you in "that" experimental thread in the PSI forum

@Fore: I hope I am a mere curiosity, and not considered a game changer in any way? How, should I put it, does what I'm doing really matter, or can I continue with impunity?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Jan, 2010, 11:06am

20 Jan, 2010, 1:04pm, dove wrote:

20 Jan, 2010, 11:30am, fore wrote:

Oh, so you put me up on the offering block instead?

I don't think she'll go for it...

Probably not. I should have put montalk in the chopping block. But he already seemed to have his plate full.

If she is interested in your guys, it means that she has at least some information on all of you already.

20 Jan, 2010, 1:04pm, dove wrote:

From what I recall of the advisors lessons on how some of our brain functions work and from normal knowledge I have gained over the years.

During moments of sleeping the brain might not commit everything to memory that occurs.

So there is no way of telling if you simply unzipped it and then don't recall. I'd put it in my "weird but unknown event" bin.

I recall that sometimes I would wake up in the middle of the night and do something and not remember it all until she reminds me of the event casually (psychically) of what I was doing at the time. I can sometimes vaguely recall what she relayed but only as a very vague event.

(Example: Like someone asking you if you want to eat something and you respond back in a nearly complete asleep and barely awake state that you don't want any. I might not recall the event upon waking up. In fact, when I wake up and ask someone why I didn't get any burgers, the obvious response I will be told is because I didn't want any.

The person recalls the event even though I don't remember being asked if I wanted a burger. Usually at that point in casual thought and conversation the advisor would comment that I did indeed tell them I didn't want any in a sleep stupor.

Then she might jog my memory or point out the point in time when I was asked. Sometimes I recall a vague tiny fragment of the situation and realize I must not have been responding with full cognition. Othertimes I might not recall it at all but her story will coincide with events as told by third parties.)

So her memory is (obviously) separate from my own memory, recall or poignant observations.

20 Jan, 2010, 1:04pm, dove wrote:

Quote:

I suspect she isn't interested.

But I simply do not know dove.

She can be very dynamic when she wants to be.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Jan, 2010, 11:53am

@Pontif

You are the proxy for me.

If you succeed, then I succeed.

You are my game.

On one front I have D4 asking me to elaborate at length about the nuances I tend to leave out.
On another front you have yourself after just one exposure to my own experiment, plus one out of the blue ET contact experience.
On another front you have Montalk who can weave the puzzles together and probably reads this thread every now and then (I suspect that is the case). The cards are on the table. No doubt he will pick up the right cards and run with it.

On another front, you have Meret recounting one experience with possible TM or emotional influencing.

On another front I just noticed Brother Arvin deleted his account. (unfortunate)

On another front you have pontif and the others getting together to make a basic psychic experience between people.

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If you guys succeed, then I have my experiences and knowledge re-asserted in their validity to some degree.

This thread alone has nearly 70 thousand reads and has quite the lead on most other threads in the encounters section.

I am also engaged in the "are there any positive encounters" thread. The discussion are interesting and bring up the idea of what constitutes an actual positive encounter?

All these different views affect people and leads them somewhere in their private thoughts. Right now it is just a tiny thread on OMF. But a host of members are looking around and about in various threads and thinking on this and many subjects.

Rather than have them wade through standard UFO topics and come out the other end with more headaches. Why not mix thing up a bit and widen the range and depth of topics? I wish to magnify critical points of interest that some ET groups wish would remain more obscure and less discussed.

I'd like to make many peoples contacts uncomfortable by "going there" in the depths of poorly or inadequately discussed subjects. I want the ET experiencers to turn around and ask, "Hey, whats this about? Mind if I ask some Questions?".

Honest ET's wont really fear most of the subjects as there is no impact. In fact, most topics will open up a wealth of info for the experiencers as they might never have thought to bring it up as a conversational piece.

But for those who are unwittingly in league with "negative" or detrimental ET's. I would like to see sparks fly and some hard reality come crashing back into the equation. I want to see the Experiencers mind and interactions with said ET's experience a dramatic series of realizations. That hopefully leaves them with full cognition of topics that their contacts forbid them to touch on or which makes these class of ET's...deeply uncomfortable.

And if it all leads to some friction between a n experiencer and a dishonest ET, then it is all okay with me.

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Note: Last night some guy scaled my homes front gates and was on my front porch.

He appeared to be some homeless guy or at least a very drunk guy. We suspected that he might be trying a robbery. But then coincidentally a patrol car showed up across the street at the same time as the incident.

It was a very tense situation to get him off the property and back on his way. It's never happened before. (strike that, it has one other time)

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I am not going to read into the incident but I would like to make it known that I did get unrelated mental notices days earlier...prodding me about looking where I had left my old cell phone and about charging it in case I needed to dial 911. (which I did for no particular reason other than it was a stray notice and common sense to abide by a little precaution (when prompted).

Another notice also mentioned looking for an unloaded firearm that I have in my home. Again, no reason as to why these transient emissions turn up from them. No notice at all as to why I should even bother.

Another notice was a minor discussion about repairing the hinges on my front door and allowing my brother to fix it. I was advised to stick around and monitor to make sure it was done correctly and appropriately.

Another passing discussion was a week earlier before this incident. Wherein some ET asked me a strange questions about how hard did I feel/think it was to enter my home forcibly.

I did the assessment as it asked standing in front of my door and gave it my honest opinions. Again, there was never any direct correlation between each notice or seemingly innocent question.

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Geeze, I am utterly surprised that the advisor did not tell me something at all when she contacted me.

Maybe she didn't know? (then again, you'd expect that they would have passed along such a possibility, right?

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At the time those questions didn't make any sense and seemed totally innocuous. They took up all of 40minutes total out of a full months worth of minutes. So....I paid it no mind.

Sometimes they ask me questions that seemingly are largely about nothing. But looking back over various questions I see when they probably knew about it and were likely giving me comments and hints for my own security.

What I find super odd is that the advisor shows up two days before the events and doesn't tell me anything at all about it and isn't even there to give me advice on the spot.

That...I find bewildering. She is always the one who tells me plainly about future events. I can see that the run of the mill ET's don't seem as dedicated or inclined to perform in the same way as she does things.

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I also noticed that activity on this side has slid from light to now mild activity. Sometimes [edited out on ET request]...........

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 14 on 22 Jan, 2010, 8:30pm

Your advisor can visit me if she likes.

Intelligent questions...hmmm....

What are the greys weakness?
How can I contact them and modify the timeline of events?
If one was to manifest disapearance of the greys would it become reality?
What psychic skills did you have back in the day?
If one wanted to get to the level of activation you had, how would you suggest a person do that?
If someone acheived that same level of activation and used it constantly to work on activating other people, it would change the timeline correct?
Why do you think the silly ET's like to play GOD and have so much control?
Why at times do you believe they portray themselves as angels and protectors, when looked at the facts, it clearly looks the opposite?
Would it be safe to say that Et's have a need for control, and any change in control would strike fear?
If a proposed system to eliminate ET control on abductees/the manipulation was implaced for other people to use and experiment with, this could change the control and maybe cause panic within the ETs?
What is the best things a person can do to eliminate control from the ETs and to experiment with THEM, to switch the table around and obtained more knowledge and information from them?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 23 Jan, 2010, 7:48am

22 Jan, 2010, 10:10am, fore wrote:

I dunno if she knows about you. But the males sure do.

In all honesty, they only tend to pay attention to people that matter in the course of events. People who propagate situations or hamper them. Sometimes there is some form of casual curiosity.

Basically, if you aren't an issue, you aren't on their radar.

===============================================

If you want to get a visit, become a positive nuisance that propagates information/questions or becomes a center piece in an agenda. Become a target. Then let the bus run you over, trust me, you'll notice it.

Your inherent mental leanings tell me you would be happier in pushing against me rather than with me.

But in that case you'll just be doing them a free favor and you won't get a response that you can point to and say "oh, now they watch me too" or something like that.

Instead, join in on the conversations and make them super uncomfortable by doing (intelligently) what the males do not like. To see intelligent discussion on these subjects. If you see someone mention something, then ask a deeper question or an insightful one.

You'll get a bullzeye painted on you in no time.

You certainly have a psychic field, so you should notice/experience things much more acutely than some people do.

I'm not completely sure what your goals are in the relatively-short and long term, so I don't think I can disagree with you when you say I might be against you. Even though I'd like to disagree, I wouldn't know how. But I can't imagine being against you in any way. So its kind of weird for you to say so.

But I will disagree with you when you describe the quickest way to get "noticed" by these entities.

I see it like this...

You seem to be holding back. Playing by the rules as best you can. Priming people in this course of study, so to speak, but explicitly under the sanctions of these entities.

It is not in your interests to share your experiences so directly, by making use experiencers in the first hand, and not as surrogates, or bystanders. However, I contend you might make us all relevant to your advisors project by letting us into the loop.

If in fact there is this exclusivity-of-information(s) being funneled to you at certain times and for certain purposes by a group of entities beyond space and time, it stands to reason that the vessel, you, might irrigate us, one or more, or all, in an effort to bring your plight to fruition, whatever it may be. And I'm on your side, who wouldn't be?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by hazuka on 23 Jan, 2010, 11:20pm

fore, I m back re reading your thread (up to page 57), in those pages, you talk about your (lack of) love relationship and a girl you were told you'd meet/love/marry/have kids someday...

Does anything has changed in this area ?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 14 on 23 Jan, 2010, 11:44pm

A few pages back I asked the same question. The answer is currently, no.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by hazuka on 23 Jan, 2010, 11:46pm

oh, ok, sorry I missed that : s

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by meret on 24 Jan, 2010, 5:24am

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fore wrote
Quote:

I also noticed that activity on this side has slid from light to now mild activity. Sometimes [edited out on ET request]...........

May I ask what do you mean by activity on this side? What is the other side?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 14 on 24 Jan, 2010, 9:02am

I wonder why Fore hasn't answered my questions...:)

I was hoping to spark some activity on my end.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 25 Jan, 2010, 4:51am

silence is golden ?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 14 on 25 Jan, 2010, 6:32am

I'm use to it from Fore..

C'mon Fore, let's play with these guys a bit, hm? I respect your decision either way, I assume you don't want to get involved any more and I understand why. Doesn't mean I can't edge you on a bit!

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 25 Jan, 2010, 6:39am

Could just be a bout of busyness. He catches this for days on end from time to time.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by eric on 14 Feb, 2010, 2:58am

Hi Fore. I've been reading your interesting encounters. So far I'm only up to page 32 but wanted to ask a couple questions before I forget by the time I get to the end...a lot to take in to say the least! I apologize if the questions have been asked already and I have just to got to them yet.

You said that the earth was divided up into sections that allow only one specie of alien to conduct "experiments" in.
Are the sections just for "experiments" or is it also a travel ban?
Are the boarders of these sections are enforced by the third party that you talk about?
Any idea how many different species have sections?
I get the idea that people have a choice to contact other species that the type controlling the section that they were born in? Enforced by the third type again?
Happen to have a map?

I'd like to know who I would most likely be dealing with here lol

I can come up with many many more question but I'll read more first. Thanks

edit
maybe species isn't the proper term maybe group would be a better word?
So far I thought the "others" were just grays but even if they were to send their most pretty among them I highly doubt we would be hoodwinked into believed they were some type of human

maybe some sort of clones would be doing that job ?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by eric on 15 Feb, 2010, 8:22pm

Disregard the clone edit I see that question was answered on page 34. Maybe I should read it all before wasting your time with questions you have already written about...sorry

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 16 Feb, 2010, 2:39pm

Happy b-day, Fore. [image]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by newyorklily on 16 Feb, 2010, 2:44pm

Have a Great Birthday, Fore!

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by hazuka on 16 Feb, 2010, 2:49pm

happy birthday,

and may the Force be with you

(sorry they re doing a star wars rerun lately

)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by bewildered on 16 Feb, 2010, 3:41pm

This looks like as good a place as any: happy b-day, fore.

It only seems like yesterday when I was 29. How's that for missing time?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by eric on 16 Feb, 2010, 6:37pm

Happy Birthday Fore! [image]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 16 Feb, 2010, 6:41pm

Hazuka it's .. "May the Fore Be With You" ... star wars got it all wrong

Happy B-Day Fore
[image]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 16 Feb, 2010, 8:26pm

Alrighty, then. We have beer, snacky cakes, and balloons. What are we missing?

[image]

Oh, that's right...party favors.

Oops...almost forgot something.

<<<---Fore's future wife

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 16 Feb, 2010, 8:27pm

Happy b-day, man!

Nice names dove and WM

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 16 Feb, 2010, 8:36pm

16 Feb, 2010, 8:27pm, dreamoftheiris wrote:

Happy b-day, man!

Nice names dove and WM

Thanks.

Where's your costume, young man? And something for the birthday boy? Ice cream? Pinata? Pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey game? I can be the donkey, you bring the pin.

That goes for you too, Hazuka, Eric, and Bewildered.

, guys.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 16 Feb, 2010, 8:42pm

"Jeez lady I'm just a kid from the neighborhood alright?"

+1 karma if you get that quote.

Oh yeah my gift to you, fore.

[image]

Yep!

Plans for a lightsaber right there.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 16 Feb, 2010, 11:11pm

16 Feb, 2010, 8:42pm, dreamoftheiris wrote:

"Jeez lady I'm just a kid from the neighborhood alright?"

+1 karma if you get that quote.

lol, Waldo.

Uh, you got me.

Either it's from Waldo's World or Little Rascal's. Or neither.

Did they even *make* a show for Waldo? Can you tell I don't watch a lot of TV, and didn't as a child, either?

~~~

I like your get-up, Hazuka. Practicing to be Merlin?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 16 Feb, 2010, 11:17pm

Now if Waldo can just provide us with the catalog we can order the parts from

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 16 Feb, 2010, 11:20pm

16 Feb, 2010, 11:17pm, wildmage wrote:

Now if Waldo can just provide us with the catalog we can order the parts from

lol...I'll take one, please.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 16 Feb, 2010, 11:50pm

Happy Birthday Fore

Hope you have something big planned

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by livewire on 17 Feb, 2010, 5:24pm

Any image experts on here ?? I have somthing to share that has been on my mind for years.

The old place i used to live in things used to happen id wake up with scratches on me objects would get thrown at night it felt like somthing jumped on the bed and run over my legs, I actually saw the bed covers lift up one night. But the worst part was energy drain i could be sat there watching tv or playing guitar and i would get a sudden energy drain were id feel dizzy and weak and it doesnt matter if id just eaten or not i got a urge to eat again. The only thing i could do was go to bed as i felt so tired.

Well this one day i was on my computer and the fone rang it was my girlfriend i was talking away to her when suddenly i felt somthing hit me in the back it felt sharp and it hurt for a little while.
I started taking pictures of my pc a little while later for a website for custom pc's and i captured somthing that appeard to be in the position as me just to the right of me from where i was taking the pictures.

There clearly a grey face in the reflection on my monitor which was NOT! on my screen i had a alice cooper wallpaper on at the time and this thing was not there. Ive tried to study the image to see if it could possibly be a reflection of anything around it but the shape and angle of somthings around it dont match up?.

Is there any image experts that can examine this and give me some sort of answer??

Here the origional

[image]

And here the image after a quick mess around in photoshop i just wanted to get a better outline of what i see as a grey face i can see the mouth nose head everything but it does not look normal?

[image]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by livewire on 17 Feb, 2010, 5:38pm

Just noticed on the black n white if you look at the right monitor that wasnt turned on at the time theres seems to be a faint shadow outline of the same thing also but without the notification in the task bar blocking the chin area.

I just want to know once and for all what this is? its bugged me for a long time i hated that place and the things that happend its now 5 years on and i dont live there anymore and all the things that where happening to me have now stopped Inc the sudden energy drains.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by philliman on 17 Feb, 2010, 9:39pm

livewire, ask elevenaugust or Marvin. Those are the photo experts here.

Looks like that you guys got quite some unwanted attention due to your psi experiment. Well, you have been warned by fore and pontificator himself. But it's still not funny at all.

@fore
Happy late b-day.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 17 Feb, 2010, 11:09pm

Pfft...birthday boy didn't even show up for his party, or acknowledge his guest's well wishes to him...Must have been the cake (or the present I brought him).

{edited for grammar }

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 18 Feb, 2010, 1:07pm

Thanks to all for the birthday wishes. Especially Dove!

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by starduster1 on 18 Feb, 2010, 3:19pm

awwwwe sorry I missed it...

Happy Be-Elated Birthday Fore!!

~~~~~A Q U A R I U S~~~~~

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 18 Feb, 2010, 9:44pm

18 Feb, 2010, 1:07pm, fore wrote:

Thanks to all for the birthday wishes. Especially Dove!

You're welcome. I was just teasing, you know.

Hope it was a good day for you.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elevenaugust on 20 Feb, 2010, 1:48am

17 Feb, 2010, 5:24pm, livewire wrote:

Here the original....

Hi Livewire!

I can take a look at your photography, if you agree.
Just give a a link where I can download the full original untouched photography (the two above are the same B&W).

Thanks!

Ps: Happy birthday Fore!

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by livewire on 20 Feb, 2010, 3:02am

Thanks very much elevenaugust you have my permission indeed,

link.
http://rapidshare.com/files/353089228/Livewire.rar.html

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elevenaugust on 20 Feb, 2010, 9:56am

You're welcome, just let me a few days and I will come back to you.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by one on 21 Feb, 2010, 7:42am

Very interesting, recent posts.

I pick up something interesting of you Fore, I have started reading; the begining and the end.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elevenaugust on 21 Feb, 2010, 10:37pm

17 Feb, 2010, 5:38pm, livewire wrote:

Just noticed on the black n white if you look at the right monitor that wasnt turned on at the time theres seems to be a faint shadow outline of the same thing also but without the notification in the task bar blocking the chin area.

I just want to know once and for all what this is? its bugged me for a long time i hated that place and the things that happend its now 5 years on and i dont live there anymore and all the things that where happening to me have now stopped Inc the sudden energy drains.

Hi Livewire and sorry all for the off-topic.

Here's a closer an distort view of the "alien head"

[image]

Makes me think of....

[image]

Mimas

Mimas

....which makes me think of....

[image]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by livewire on 22 Feb, 2010, 2:26am

I see the likeness but i didnt have anything like that on my pc or around my pc basically at the side of where i was stood there was a gas fire hanging on the wall thats bout it if its a reflection of anything it must be somthing on the desk but you can rule our the centre speaker and the audigy sound blaster underneath it as that was set back from the monitor screen it wouldnt have reflected on it,

I have no idea what it is to me it looks like a wierd face.
But im open to any suggestions otherwise Im not effected in anyway by it now as i dont live in that house anymore.

If it turns out to be somthing natural and explainable then ill be pleased even more so cos i shure wouldnt like to meet an alien spirit entity or what ever it is ?? like it again cos it liked to harm.
Im not one to be spooked by ghosts either as my current house is haunted ive had 3 people walk into my house and tell me they see a little girl with blue dress and long brown hair all 3 gave same description and my wife has also seen her. I myself havent but ive heard her ive even heard her speak to my 2 year old and hes been laughing a giggling with her at night. Shes perfectly welcome and accepted by us she does no harm.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by livewire on 22 Feb, 2010, 2:38am

The reason why i think it must have been somthing on my right hand side is the fact it covers the reflection of the front of my pc tower, like i said all that was there was a gas fireplace and thats quite a distinctive object.

Its a true origional photo thats baffled me im not out to fool anyone i have no genuine idea what it is but ive always wonderd.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elevenaugust on 22 Feb, 2010, 3:19pm

Hello livewire!

This cannot be any reflection of any kind:

[image]

The strange object appears to be "inside" the screen monitor.

The only reflection that we can barely see if that of the customized PC on the right side, with these blue neon light tubes; and the camera flash.

At first sight, we could thought that this was possibly the silver mouse on the desk reflect, but this is impossible due to the screen monitor curve, and the strange lighting of the "object".

Exifs examination did confirm that this is highly likely a legit photography.

I can't find any logical explanation for this one....yet.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by livewire on 22 Feb, 2010, 3:44pm

The photo is presented "As is" I have a disk called family photos. Everytime the memory card got full i burned them to this disk in a compilation using nero, Then reformated the card i never actually noticed this on my tiny camera screen it was only after it was burned to disk and viewed on the pc in large res that i noticed it.The photo came streaght off the disk and uploaded "as is" Im no photo expert but i have a good idea about some of the angles and possible reflections but i couldnt see anything that could match it even as a warped image.

Ill try to find the desktop wallpaper i used if i can i assure you that was not on there it was alice cooper. I also found it strange that it would block the reflection from my case if it was actually on the screen id expect it to still show the case even faintly ?? but it seems more solid than that,

Im still baffled just as much.

thanks.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 23 Feb, 2010, 1:23pm

------------------------------------
Really strange candid comment from me:

Lately, with no process or editorial control. I have felt "too free" to air my thoughts without restrictions, direction, or editorial review. As there is no ET there to tell me, advise me nor temper "my spirit" of enthusiasm.

Actually it is real strange. To type up something without having to pre-discuss things or even considering to cut out information or even restrict what I can say.

Put in a funny way: I feel like a five year old with lots of freedom and a room full of chocolate..

I know it is totally "off the wall" to post this way. But that is what I actually feel like saying/relaying but....is not what I probably should even talk about.

It is maybe becoming keenly apparent that I may require someone to reign me in and keep tabs on how I comport myself.

The other option is to figure out how to do it on my own.

It'll be interesting living without Grey wardens and the ones who seemingly recently took over my ET group.

I kinda feel really happy about it though. It's like a long, heavy and rusted chain in my life finally snapped in two and I finally get to do whatever I want on a whim.

I can tell I have been too pushy and too open without diluting my actual thoughts on many subjects over these last two months. I have answered a few questions I normally wouldn't have been allowed to speak about.

It seems whomever used to do this job over me had his/her hands full. Now I just need to figure out how to temper my own self a bit.

It's only been two months and I am already getting into some trouble.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by eric on 23 Feb, 2010, 7:14pm

Maybe it has something to do with rev stating that :

Quote:

This year will be nothing short of amazing.

Maybe the cat is almost out of the bag and there is no point in keeping you quiet.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by hazuka on 23 Feb, 2010, 7:19pm

23 Feb, 2010, 7:14pm, eric wrote:

Maybe it has something to do with rev stating that :

Quote:

This year will be nothing short of amazing.

Maybe the cat is almost out of the bag and there is no point in keeping you quiet.

i was thinking the same...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 23 Feb, 2010, 7:29pm

They just left one day and never said anything. So I have no clue why it happened. I only know that they aren't "here".

Sometimes these guys/gals/it do things even I don't understand.

If you ask me why they would just leave, well, I have no clue to be honest.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 23 Feb, 2010, 7:46pm

23 Feb, 2010, 7:29pm, fore wrote:

They just left one day and never said anything. So I have no clue why it happened. I only know that they aren't "here".

Sometimes these guys/gals/it do things even I don't understand.

If you ask me why they would just leave, well, I have no clue to be honest.

Well, you said they were replaced. Was it with the one entity you talked about that was trying to help you with the Q & A sessions? Do you know if the replacement(s) are of the same species? Has the advisor been around to tell you why the originals left, or have you asked?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 24 Feb, 2010, 12:08am

*perks up* Maybe the Q&A sessions can be answered fully now. Do you still have question set 2 from me, and question set 1 from Montalk, Fore?

This will also reveal if the apathy filter is still in full force...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 25 Feb, 2010, 11:52am

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6999/livewire1.jpg

FYI: could just be a missing pixel in the monitor.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elevenaugust on 25 Feb, 2010, 11:46pm

This is not exactly what we are searching for.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 26 Feb, 2010, 10:47am

25 Feb, 2010, 11:46pm, elevenaugust wrote:

This is not exactly what we are searching for.

...are you serious?

If you want to see some thing, why don't you go do acid.

You say it like I'm not included in this community And you don't speak for everyone.

How about you be realistic.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 26 Feb, 2010, 11:05am

@ 369

Check your PM's.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by garuda on 26 Feb, 2010, 12:08pm

@ 369

The anomaly being discussed is not one little white speck but the grey area in the bottom right corner, which could never be the result of a missing pixel.

So I assume when 11A says 'that is not what we're looking for' that is what he is referring to: not an explanation for one possible speck but for the grey area.

Your reaction is over the top and uncalled for.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 26 Feb, 2010, 9:13pm

oh my bad

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 6:43am

Forbidden Topic:

Here is a back room topic between the Grey ET's and I.

It is the topic of alien....could you believe I actually went blank?

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Edit: It's real funny, as I cannot feel anything ET nearby at all. The only thing I can say I experience in this moment is simply memory loss initially.

As if the topic were just plucked out of my mind.

And even though I am trying really hard to recall what it was, I can remember the mental pointers of the topics. But I cannot actually remember the topic itself.

It feels like I can remember part of the topics fragments but not what the actual topic is. As if someone took a mental scrambler and just prevented me from discussing it.

Even though I feel nothing nearby. I wonder how that works....?

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Edit 2: 20 minutes later and still fragments are only appearing in my mind. It is as if the harder you try to remember...the weaker the induced ?amnesia? becomes. As if it weren't a perfect effect.

I recall being asked long ago to not discuss this topic because I was told it would hurt my standing. I was forbidden to talk about it but I don't yet recall what exactly.

It's really interesting how some of these things work. I am glad it is being used on me as this only gives me an extra insight into one more method at their disposal. (Damned if they do something about it, damned if they don't do something about it, either way I learn more. 8-)

)

I am starting to wonder if they are still there? It may be simply that I cannot psychically perceive them anymore. But the effects seemingly remain as if there were still there.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by eric on 28 Feb, 2010, 7:16am

Well that's no fun.
Interesting that you remember the memory but not the memory itself. You would think they would have hidden in all from you. A screw up maybe or maybe they left it there for you to access at a later date for some reason? Maybe that means they are not coming back

Quote:

I recall being asked long ago to not discuss this topic because I was told it would hurt my standing. I was forbidden to talk about it but I don't yet recall what exactly.

But why tell you not to say anything if they just wipe it anyway?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 7:35am

28 Feb, 2010, 7:16am, eric wrote:

Well that's no fun.
Interesting that you remember the memory but not the memory itself. You would think they would have hidden in all from you. A screw up maybe or maybe they left it there for you to access at a later date for some reason? Maybe that means they are not coming back

It is like the topic is occluded. You can feel it there, I can remember examples I was going to use, but I cannot remember what it was about.

I know that I had been told not to discuss it many times in the past. Nothing is communicating with me at all at this moment. I just find it amusing that somehow my recall was spontaneously affected as if on cue.

Right now I am wondering how long it will last and what happens if I keep at it in trying to remember. This is not the first time, it's happened before tons of times, even under the advisor.

I have just never really paid much attention to testing it repeatedly and watching how it works and what it feels like.

I am wondering how long it will last and how effective it is to figure out how to overcome it. Just one more trick to add to my bag.

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Publicizing such effects and topics of these things I already knew really got under their skin. They obviously don't appreciate various activities I undertake.

Probably because they only have a limited number of solutions to various situations. If I eventually discuss most of them and *express how to get passed it. It'll spread and add more legitimacy to a case such as mine.

Basically I would be a real nuisance.

Anyone else who has been through this is going to recognize it, and become attracted.

.....and that is what the topic was about....LOL....I sorta remember.

*note: at this point I felt I began to remember what I wasn't supposed to remember. As if the block was slowly disintegrating simply by touching similar topics like it. It wasn't until the end of the next few lines that I suddenly began to remember....!

(Even though I don't recall all of it yet, it's coming back to me)

28 Feb, 2010, 7:16am, eric wrote:

Quote:

I recall being asked long ago to not discuss this topic because I was told it would hurt my standing. I was forbidden to talk about it but I don't yet recall what exactly.

But why tell you not to say anything if they just wipe it anyway?

Because they don't automatically block or insert a type of ?precise amnesia? unless I really really want to talk about it. Then on the spot they used to induce it.

They have also done it to people who I had been talking to over the years...even when they live thousands of miles away. It seems to be a psychic trick of some sort. One that can seemingly be targeted at a distance (I think).

Sometimes it works real well and I have to change the subject. Other times it lasts for a while....until I keep trying to remember.

Just like now.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 7:37am

I recall I was going to talk about....LMAO....it's happening again.

This is crazy stuff....I even recall the advisor wanted me to talk about it once about a year and a half ago or so.

I don't see why my mind is being hampered so much in such obvious ways.

Fore: (goes back and starts reading my own words until the recall kicks in once again)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by eric on 28 Feb, 2010, 7:44am

My son has a cool toy that plays 20 questions. It is very good at guessing what you are thinking of we could give it a try lol

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 7:47am

I just took notice of the physical symptoms as it takes place.

I feel real weird, as if some other consciousness is brushing against my own. But I am not experiencing it like normal psychic. It's as if I can only feel the physical side of the symptoms.

In the inner parts of my skull it feels like the sudden light onset of pressure near the central lower portion of my inner skill.

In the rough lower middle portion of my brain, offset slightly to the left.

It is like a bundle of psychic buildup occurs and then suddenly you lose the idea you had in your own mind. Like you suddenly lost track of the idea and went blank.

It's crazy that it would take place twice in a row. I think only the advisor has only ever done it multiple times in a row.

[EDIT: Now it seems to cover much more. I noticed that even the things I recalled before are now sluggish and hard to recall. As if the scope of the mind blanking was increased.

Is that a sign of intelligence and awareness of what I am trying to do?]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 7:59am

28 Feb, 2010, 7:35am, fore wrote:

Publicizing such effects and topics of these things I already knew really got under their skin. They obviously don't appreciate various activities I undertake.

Probably because they only have a limited number of solutions to various situations. If I eventually discuss most of them and *express how to get passed it. It'll spread and add more legitimacy to a case such as mine.

Basically I would be a real nuisance.

Anyone else who has been through this is going to recognize it, and become attracted.

I can't stop laughing at the absurdity of the activities being forced on me.

These lines that are highlighted keep making me remember.

I almost accidentally modified my post too....

It appears this may be a really forbidden topic. Anyone who wants to join in on the "fun", this is your time to encourage me, hehe.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by eric on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:04am

I wonder if you managed to post it. Would they delete it.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:05am

I am mentally broadcasting right now that if they want me not to type up the subject at hand, they will have to take down this thread or the server. I'll give them a short time to respond. Though I know in all likelihood they are afraid and won't do it this time.

"How does it feel to be powerless and helpless in light of the inevitable topic being discussed my little ET buddies? I'll make sure to elaborate extensively."

(Kids, don't try this with ET at home.)

Edit: @ Eric

LOL, we were both thinking of the same mischief. If they desire it to not be discussed. Let them get off their butt and stomp on the server.

<jeers at them<

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by eric on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:08am

Eric looks out his window for flying objects lol

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:09am

28 Feb, 2010, 8:08am, eric wrote:

Eric looks out his window for flying objects lol

The funny thing is if I actually wait, they'll no doubt bring a supervisor into the picture. I still don't even know who is doing it.

Though I can feel something brushing my consciousness every now and them. It feels ET for sure. So...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by eric on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:11am

Does that mean you remember?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:17am

28 Feb, 2010, 7:35am, fore wrote:

It'll spread and add more legitimacy to a case such as mine.

sigh

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:18am

28 Feb, 2010, 8:11am, eric wrote:

Does that mean you remember?

Partially.

I now remember the topic but I don't fully remember what I had originally planned to say. So I will have to redo the layout of how I was going to explain it:

I was going to talk about how my discussions with them sometimes touched upon the ideas of how a person could use various kinds of....God I feel incredible resistance.

How someone could engage people in the discussion of the UFO topic and attract many by showing specific symptoms.

That is as much as I can eek out at this moment. Let me agitate them a bit.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by eric on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:22am

What do you mean "attract many"?

Edit 10:28pm Pacific.
Servers still up. Guess you will have to be more specific

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 9:27am

I have decided to dole it out nice and slow so they can react. Or they could just decide to do nothing and I'll have my way anyway.

<Sigh>

Anyway, The topics covered:

It was discussed by Greys how a series of symptoms described within different avenues tend to attract individuals to that particular source and is internally translated by that person as innately "legitimate". Because they recognize the flagged signs and symptoms.

People may see these fragmentary bits of evidence of a wide enough scope and "relate to it" in their own personal experience. I was told if it covers a wide enough range it can induce many different kinds of "treated" experiencers and lead them to experience a sort of illusory connection with that individual.

Resulting in the perception and illusion that the person actually knows what they are talking about.

This is manipulation at it's bare naked self. A sort of Trojan horse for the ideas carried within.

I thought it was very revealing of their activities and down right disturbing in their honesty. I took it like I always took it, just shelve it for when I had time to discuss it more with them and ask poignant questions. It is safe to say I never got around to it.

But they were describing how to create varying versions of "attractive" guru's in different scenarios.

Everything from temporary types to post-Disclosure counselors of affected parties. (read: a nebulous series of references of everything from contactee to abductee post-disclosure control mechanisms)

(Disturbing stuff to say the least. But normal considering it is coming from a Grey.)

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I was told not to describe the method various times because they told me they feared I would be thought of as being one of these. They said if I spoke of it the people whom listened would say I was using it on them.

I reasserted several times at different points that my experiences were as stated and therefore there wasn't any reason not to express it openly for the public.

They disagreed and asserted many times that I should not speak of the topic because of the inherent ramifications.

It was a long time after that, that I was told by the advisor to touch upon the subject once I was already a member of OMF. But she was very vague as to what the context was supposed to be.

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It wasn't until someone mentioned it that I recalled that particular topic. A fairly forbidden one.

Because these Grey are probably afraid of poisoning their flocks.

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Lets see what happens now. The above is deeply paraphrased from what they actually said in a literal sense. I'll say more in a bit.

It seems to me they have given up.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by eric on 28 Feb, 2010, 9:43am

I was starting to get worried that you were getting a talking to hehe.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 9:51am

If in case I am confusing anyone about what I mean (or they mean specifically).

They were relying the basic concepts and ideas of a delivery system for disinformation and prop guru's.

The base idea they gave on various occasions was of (more or less) Experiencers being "treated" to look for specific "flags" and "ideas" in content.

When they supposedly read and saw certain symptoms, certain ideas, certain views, they would lock on and absorb the prop guru's information.

From that, they would <cough> "adapt" to different subsets of information they put up through the prop gurus.

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Anyone who is looking and searching for a source of true information, be very weary.

These Grey ET in particular described an clean slate experiencer and the "the need" and the "peg and hole" syndrome. Different people from different background types would gravitate towards these sources while filtering out sources that didn't meet a specific criteria.

So they can turn a sort of ordinary "node" in the UFOlogical sphere into a sort of Guru by giving them a certain type of working fingerprint that attracts certain kinds and rejects other types of experiencers.

They further discussed how a person could be designed to cover more than one ribbon of experience as to be seen as a uber guru by seeding them with even wider types of symptoms and specific cues that would fit a larger profile.

It sounds complicated. But it really isn't.

I have seen some of you unconsciously refer to it as energy recognition. Some see various episodes in an account and assume that this is more legitimate.

I am just here to burst your bubble (if it pleases you) in that regard.

You may find different people with similar finger print experiences as wide as mine, but with totally different content and completely opposing views to my own.

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Welcome to the playground.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 9:59am

For example, I learned of Meriam Delicado.

And just from the name alone I already knew she matched a certain "fingerprint experience".

Probably because I was subconsciously loaded to experience that. Not surprisingly she fits along the same "ribbon" (read scope) as my own experiences.

Suddenly I felt drawn (while not knowing why) to her even though upon looking at her video I realized her type and how they get treated.

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Tis just one more tool in the ET sandbox that everyone might want to know about. Just add it to the ET tool belt.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by eric on 28 Feb, 2010, 10:05am

I wonder if that may be a way grays find people that have had contact with other types of ET's. Maybe for spying purposes.

Treat a person with the right "flags" of another group and wait to see who bites.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 28 Feb, 2010, 10:28am

28 Feb, 2010, 6:43am, fore wrote:

Forbidden Topic:

Here is a back room topic between the Grey ET's and I.

It is the topic of alien....could you believe I actually went blank?

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Edit: It's real funny, as I cannot feel anything ET nearby at all. The only thing I can say I experience in this moment is simply memory loss initially.

As if the topic were just plucked out of my mind.

And even though I am trying really hard to recall what it was, I can remember the mental pointers of the topics. But I cannot actually remember the topic itself.

It feels like I can remember part of the topics fragments but not what the actual topic is. As if someone took a mental scrambler and just prevented me from discussing it.

Even though I feel nothing nearby. I wonder how that works....?

...

I am starting to wonder if they are still there? It may be simply that I cannot psychically perceive them anymore. But the effects seemingly remain as if there were still there.

Implants would do that. I don't think ET has to be standing nearby to control someone or tweak their brain a bit so that they forget what they were going to say.

As far as sensing their presence: doesn't your body give you physical symptoms when they are around or is it just psychically that you can perceive them? I guess that would be considered a step down to you, since I think you once told me that the reason I physically sense things is because those sensations weren't yet being translated psychically.

Currently, I am able to (usually) psychically sense someone's presence (even if it doesn't seem that way to them because I try to ignore most of it), but the physical sensations are still there, and they prevail for the most part.

The reason being that my body at least tries to respond even throughout the switching that causes my psychic senses to turn on and off. In other words, my physical warning signals rarely ever turn 'off', though they do dim out. They're just not as strong.

Honestly, though, at this point the perceptions are intertwined--psychically and physically. Sometimes, a presence is so strong that no amount of switching on and off will prevent me from knowing they're here.

If you do receive physical sensations to mark their presence and you're not getting those either, then they're probably remotely triggering the forgetfulness (very likely by the use of implants). Have your ears been ringing at all?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 28 Feb, 2010, 10:34am

28 Feb, 2010, 9:59am, fore wrote:

Tis just one more tool in the ET sandbox that everyone might want to know about. Just add it to the ET tool belt.

They have a lot of tools. I wonder if some of them are pneumatic.

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Oh and quit telling them to take the server down.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 28 Feb, 2010, 10:54am

I have read that post set, and got hit by the "fuzz" effect while attempting to read your main post with actual details. While I find it makes it very hard going to read something under such conditions, I still get it done. I am beginning to wonder if part of the reason why they have filtered you away from me is because I am able to bypass certain effects they induce [namely the ones you are having difficulty with {lo and behold, I get a very sharp increase of pressure on the right temple}].

If you ever increase your abilities again, I suggest examining my makeup very carefully, and copying certain features [that is if I am still alive at that point].

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Thinking about it more carefully, I have abstracted my mind into two major portions, my physical self, and my "self". If the body is undergoing any effect then I observe it as my "self", and operate independently of the effect where possible.

This was one of the reasons why everyone was rather puzzled that after being hit by a car I simply picked myself up, and sorted out the matter there and then as though it were a minor incident. Still took 6 months for most of the healing to be done though...

So, if an effect is induced on my physical body, I observe it, and simply continue with the effect occurring on the physical body, but not on the "self".

I know it sounds a little bizarre, but its essentially simple mind partitioning.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 28 Feb, 2010, 11:19am

Actually it is called shock Ponti, the brain automatically shuts off major portions of what you should be feeling, in order for you to function following a major incident.

https://www46.safesecureweb.com/positivehealth/permit/Articles/Mind_Matters/wilson15.htm

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 28 Feb, 2010, 11:23am

Mind over matter, as well.

The same applies to a mother who can lift a 2-ton car off their child, as has been done before.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 12:50pm

28 Feb, 2010, 10:28am, dove wrote:

Implants would do that. I don't think ET has to be standing nearby to control someone or tweak their brain a bit so that they forget what they were going to say.

It is an idea that has crossed my mind. As far as I know, ET don't need to look at you in the eyes for them to blank out your memory.

Even I don't need to "look into someones eyes" to read them.

I am deeply puzzled as to why accounts of memory loss work that way in abductions.

28 Feb, 2010, 10:28am, dove wrote:

As far as sensing their presence: doesn't your body give you physical symptoms when they are around or is it just psychically that you can perceive them?

Both.

The sensations can manifest in a number of ways, but keeping it simplified, in both ways.

Except now.

I barely felt any psychic feedback but felt the very familiar physical symptoms. I truly wonder if they are still there. Perhaps I simply shut down less than 1% and therefore most types of psychic sensations have come to a stop?

It's plausible and likely, but I do not know. All I do know is that the minor thought wipe thing has been done a number of times. Each time it is interesting how it works.

I recall the advisor using it on me in the midst of live conversations. When I would misbehave and type up information not meant for public eyes she would implement it.

Sometimes I raced to write down enough fragments to remember it again. But it really frustrated her at times that I would talk too much about many subjects. This was about 9 or 10 years ago.

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What I can say, is that I no longer have to censor my posts nor submit them for an editorial review. It seems this is making people upset around the forum in different ways for different reasons.

I am working out how to restrain myself and developing some self derived innate intelligence as to what should be and shouldn't be said openly.

For example, If I wanted to say that I was told the 20th of February on to about 10 days afterwords is an important day for this particular ET group.

I have no restrictions against sharing that nor stating it. Even though I do not know why nor the significance for why they told me that a few months ago.

28 Feb, 2010, 10:28am, dove wrote:

I guess that would be considered a step down to you, since I think you once told me that the reason I physically sense things is because those sensations weren't yet being translated psychically.

It is a strange feeling not to percieve anything in the void between where your body ends and the wall.

Physically I feel numb and deaf when it relates to what used to be constantly flooding areas of sensations and feedback.

I think my brain and it's hardware had already adapted to accept the extra types of information. Now, it is just numbness. Just feeling your own skin has been a strange sensation in the last two years.

It is something to get used to watching the person next to you and barely being able to feel anything.

It is incredible that our own kind even considers this the epitome of awareness. Man are people going to be totally surprised when they encounter other beings who'll make people look like marginal life forms in most aspects of their conscious perception, their emotional gamut and intellectual capability.

It's a far cry from the top of the line in alot of ways.

I just hope if (when?) these "Others" arrive. I can get passed a checkpoint as a regular person. Probably not, but I can dream.

28 Feb, 2010, 10:28am, dove wrote:

Currently, I am able to (usually) psychically sense someone's presence (even if it doesn't seem that way to them because I try to ignore most of it), but the physical sensations are still there, and they prevail for the most part.

The reason being that my body at least tries to respond even throughout the switching that causes my psychic senses to turn on and off. In other words, my physical warning signals rarely ever turn 'off', though they do dim out. They're just not as strong.

The psychic fields affect material matter in various ways.

So even a non-psychic will feel it in their own skin and bones. They just might not pick up all that is bombarding them in the process.

Some of the kids in my school days felt it when the males came or when the advisor was wandering about on the ground. Other times they simply project from afar and perceive situations from where they sit much like I used to perceive what members were doing even though I wasn't there.

There is a whole range of conscious input that people haven't a real clue about.

28 Feb, 2010, 10:28am, dove wrote:

Honestly, though, at this point the perceptions are intertwined--psychically and physically. Sometimes, a presence is so strong that no amount of switching on and off will prevent me from knowing they're here.

I know what you mean.

28 Feb, 2010, 10:28am, dove wrote:

If you do receive physical sensations to mark their presence and you're not getting those either, then they're probably remotely triggering the forgetfulness (very likely by the use of implants). Have your ears been ringing at all?

Whatever did it to me, it probably wasn't on the ground.

It was probably doing it from somewhere nearby or far away. I can't even tell in which direction.

Maybe they are still there. Maybe I just cannot perceive them doing their regular routine.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 28 Feb, 2010, 1:20pm

*sigh* I provide an example, and they think shock instantly *shakes head at the short-sightedness*. Yes, shock is indeed one physiological response to severe trauma, mainly so that an individual can operate in conditions of extreme pain {or become completely useless depending on the shock described}etc. The example that Dove provides is also a very good usage of Adrenaline in a life or death situation. However, neither example applies to the prior case.

I am talking about mind partitioning, perhaps I should have used another example, I suspect that there will be too much assumption placed upon that as well... however, lets proceed anyway, I have for a fair proportion of my life taken a "back-seat", as it were, to what my body is experiencing. I can partition off an emotional or physiological state so that I may analyse it with a scientific level of detachment.

The operative word there is "detachment", which means that under some very horrible situations I simply keep going. So, I get hit by a car while crossing a zebra crossing, thrown into the road by the sudden application of the brakes. I land rather hard, and start making a quick check to see if there is any major injury without moving. The degree of pain that is incoming at the time does not allow any meaningful information to come through, so I begin to sort out the position of my body, and stand up.

I note a large degree of panic around the area, which is not unexpected, and I check to see if anything appears broken {given my legs appear to be working correctly, even if there is a bit of blood}. I find the left elbow has suffered tearing of the muscles and tendons, but is otherwise going to work for a little while until it swells. I check around for my possessions, and gather them up {while people are panicking as usual}, while noting that the left arm is not able to support the weight of the bag any-more. I notice that my lower back must have been twisted rather violently, as I am missing muscle and tendon support on one side, at which point I compensate by putting all support to the other side{Listen kids, back injuries are the real major issue in any accident}.

People are still in a panic {and completely useless in that situation to be honest}, and the driver has gotten out of the car in a highly distressed state. I note that I did cause a reasonable amount of damage to the car, but not so much that it is inoperable. I tell the driver what to do, as they are in psychological shock, and cannot think properly any-more.

After arriving at the accident and emergency centre via the car that transported me, I have to explain that I am the patient, and not the driver...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by garuda on 28 Feb, 2010, 2:38pm

28 Feb, 2010, 12:50pm, fore wrote:

28 Feb, 2010, 10:28am, dove wrote:

Implants would do that. I don't think ET has to be standing nearby to control someone or tweak their brain a bit so that they forget what they were going to say.

For 85% of the population, sight is the primary or dominant sense.

The correlate of that is that for 85% of the people, memories are predominantly visual.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 28 Feb, 2010, 6:25pm

28 Feb, 2010, 2:38pm, garuda wrote:

28 Feb, 2010, 12:50pm, fore wrote:

For 85% of the population, sight is the primary or dominant sense.

The correlate of that is that for 85% of the people, memories are predominantly visual.

Isn't this a convenient way to implant some post-traumatic stress too? Does that not aid the memory blanking any?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by one on 28 Feb, 2010, 7:32pm

The only thing we have that is close to this tool is hypnosis and waking suggestion. It's interesting that they can do this from a distance, I'm sure with psychic/telepathy it could be done very easily. Especially in your sleep!

Interesting information Gardu, shows us how blind we all are. That's a great pun.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:00pm

28 Feb, 2010, 9:51am, fore wrote:

If in case I am confusing anyone about what I mean (or they mean specifically).

They were relying the basic concepts and ideas of a delivery system for disinformation and prop guru's.

The base idea they gave on various occasions was of (more or less) Experiencers being "treated" to look for specific "flags" and "ideas" in content.

When they supposedly read and saw certain symptoms, certain ideas, certain views, they would lock on and absorb the prop guru's information.

From that, they would <cough> "adapt" to different subsets of information they put up through the prop gurus.

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Anyone who is looking and searching for a source of true information, be very weary.

These Grey ET in particular described an clean slate experiencer and the "the need" and the "peg and hole" syndrome. Different people from different background types would gravitate towards these sources while filtering out sources that didn't meet a specific criteria.

So they can turn a sort of ordinary "node" in the UFOlogical sphere into a sort of Guru by giving them a certain type of working fingerprint that attracts certain kinds and rejects other types of experiencers.

They further discussed how a person could be designed to cover more than one ribbon of experience as to be seen as a uber guru by seeding them with even wider types of symptoms and specific cues that would fit a larger profile.

It sounds complicated. But it really isn't.

I have seen some of you unconsciously refer to it as energy recognition. Some see various episodes in an account and assume that this is more legitimate.

I am just here to burst your bubble (if it pleases you) in that regard.

You may find different people with similar finger print experiences as wide as mine, but with totally different content and completely opposing views to my own.

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Welcome to the playground.

Interesting.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:05pm

28 Feb, 2010, 1:20pm, pontificator wrote:

*sigh* I provide an example, and they think shock instantly *shakes head at the short-sightedness*. Yes, shock is indeed one physiological response to severe trauma, mainly so that an individual can operate in conditions of extreme pain {or become completely useless depending on the shock described}etc. The example that Dove provides is also a very good usage of Adrenaline in a life or death situation. However, neither example applies to the prior case.

I am talking about mind partitioning, perhaps I should have used another example, I suspect that there will be too much assumption placed upon that as well... however, lets proceed anyway, I have for a fair proportion of my life taken a "back-seat", as it were, to what my body is experiencing. I can partition off an emotional or physiological state so that I may analyse it with a scientific level of detachment.

The operative word there is "detachment", which means that under some very horrible situations I simply keep going. So, I get hit by a car while crossing a zebra crossing, thrown into the road by the sudden application of the brakes. I land rather hard, and start making a quick check to see if there is any major injury without moving. The degree of pain that is incoming at the time does not allow any meaningful information to come through, so I begin to sort out the position of my body, and stand up.

I note a large degree of panic around the area, which is not unexpected, and I check to see if anything appears broken {given my legs appear to be working correctly, even if there is a bit of blood}. I find the left elbow has suffered tearing of the muscles and tendons, but is otherwise going to work for a little while until it swells. I check around for my possessions, and gather them up {while people are panicking as usual}, while noting that the left arm is not able to support the weight of the bag any-more. I notice that my lower back must have been twisted rather violently, as I am missing muscle and tendon support on one side, at which point I compensate by putting all support to the other side{Listen kids, back injuries are the real major issue in any accident}.

People are still in a panic {and completely useless in that situation to be honest}, and the driver has gotten out of the car in a highly distressed state. I note that I did cause a reasonable amount of damage to the car, but not so much that it is inoperable. I tell the driver what to do, as they are in psychological shock, and cannot think properly any-more.

After arriving at the accident and emergency centre via the car that transported me, I have to explain that I am the patient, and not the driver...

No wonder they took a good look at you.

The ability to sort of detach yourself even when engaged in a task is an impressive thing I am not unfamiliar with. I can do the same, and is probably the reason why I lived so long with lots of discomforting symptoms.

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Though honestly speaking, that is also a bad thing because you are obviously prone to being treated more under the guise of a thing than a person.

Part of the experimentation I went through in my adolescent years was about controlling different aspects of reactions and keeping my wits about me while doing something ordinary.

For example, if something uneventful went down you are not supposed to panic, your supposed to look at what is happening and do something sensible like devise a solution about it.

That also implies you are supposed to disregard alot of internal workings inside you and stay focused.

The males in particular liked seeing if I could focus while still in pain as it was one of the things that the males seemed to like experimenting on.

They also liked doing cognition experiments to see if I could focus even though I wasn't consciously aware. How accurately I recalled events and so forth.

While the advisor was more intent on teaching how to manipulate physiological triggers to see if I could control my body temperature and slow down my breathing and how calm and collected I stayed.

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Strange as it may sound, it was the advisor as the main instructor and the males at her side simply taking notes in their own way.

Some of the experiments obviously didn't sit well with her and she enacted ways to still derive the information without being excessive.

I recall more than a few times she and they had disagreements about unsaid topics.

The males for example focused on pain threshold and how I reacted under stress. While the advisor worked on teaching how to adapt/cope properly to different situations and control different processes that were normally supposed make a person act out irregularly.

Dunno what was the point. I did not like the experiments the males tried to weave into regular day to day happenings though.

The advisors were more useful to me and appreciated as she taught me how to control different aspects of my thinking. She also taught me how to take into account my feelings on subjects as opposed to the males whom seemingly never showed any interest.

One useful thing the males and the advisor did show me was how to induce sleep. Though, I think that is really funny looking back at it after all these years.

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It sounds wacky when posted this way, but it was far more mundane experiments than it actually sounds.

I have heard people have experienced those sorts of things in ET craft anyway. (surprisingly)

I guess they were too lazy or stingy to cart me off and let me look at the indoor decorations they had in the lab up there.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:17pm

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28 Feb, 2010, 1:20pm, pontificator wrote:

*sigh* I provide an example, and they think shock instantly *shakes head at the short-sightedness*.

whatever.

Quote:

Yes, shock is indeed one physiological response to severe trauma, mainly so that an individual can operate in conditions of extreme pain {or become completely useless depending on the shock described}etc. The example that Dove provides is also a very good usage of Adrenaline in a life or death situation. However, neither example applies to the prior case.I am talking about mind partitioning, perhaps I should have used another example, I suspect that there will be too much assumption placed upon that as well... however, lets proceed anyway, I have for a fair proportion of my life taken a "back-seat", as it were, to what my body is experiencing. I can partition off an emotional or physiological state so that I may analyse it with a scientific level of detachment.

Detachment = mind over matter.

Must you get caught up in semantics? Do you just need something with which to insult people?

And yes, if you wanted us to completely understand then you should have written out your story a little more, because *yes* it did sound like a case of shock.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:32pm

Sounds very much like dissociative reinforcement. An ability to detach and continue to act and navigate in a chaotic environment without emotion. Normal, it has its benefits like Ponti and yourself point out, regarding mental compartmentalization. It also has its dark-side, because those compartments can be used to store information and instructions, the problem being there is an unawareness of what is contained in these instructions and information.

The statement of shock, and trauma management, simply points to the trigger, the implications and the uses of this are many levels deep. To have this ability in a natural state, would definitely make someone a primary target for experimentation. Recollection surrounding the events causing reinforcement of this natural gift is another matter onto itself.

Ponti, how many events do you remember which you can clearly state it was induced stress, created to trigger the need for you to activated this natural gift? Can you remember them, and the conditions under which they occurred?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:38pm

I think compartmentalization might be a normal human response, though I'm sure some are more able than others. In Ponti's case, he partitioned in order to get on with it rather than lay there in pain and anguish.

Some partitioning happens with people who have been severely traumatized by mind control experiments and cult abuse. This is natural or it can be induced. People are known to literally leave their bodies while another portion of themselves takes over. This creates alter personalities within the human.

Partitioning the mind such as Ponti did is similar, but without the alters, or the OOB part; it was traumatic and therefore the need was there to portion off those parts of his mind. It's almost like turning off the pain receptors or something. ?

{edited for clarity. Added parts are in purple, replacement words are in yellow.}

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:52pm

28 Feb, 2010, 8:38pm, dove wrote:

I think compartmentalization might be a normal human response, though I'm sure some are more able than others. This partitioning happens with people who have been severely traumatized by mind control experiments and cult abuse. People are known to literally leave their bodies while another portion of themselves takes over. This creates alter personalities with the human. Partitioning the mind such as Ponti did is similar, but probably without the alters, or the OOB part.

I would suppose this would depend on who was inducing it based on Fore's recent posts it would seem the Greys were heavily involved in creating these alters

Of course at one level it can be used for perception and information management in the sense of how information is released and shaped. There are many other uses for this type of programming, one of the darkest is to enable a person to act against their own internal moral and ethical values. Remembering what those actions were can cause further reinforcement, trauma, depression, even in extreme cases the ability to commit suicidal acts.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 8:54pm

28 Feb, 2010, 8:32pm, wildmage wrote:

Ponti, how many events do you remember which you can clearly state it was induced stress, created to trigger the need for you to activated this natural gift? Can you remember them, and the conditions under which they occurred?

I dunno about him, but while mine was developed through stressful tests. It does not actually take any form of stress to utilize it.

I am guessing it was only an effective form of inculcating it in an individual if I go by pure recall and analysis.

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I took notice early on that the average person is far more reactive. And that is not necessarily a bad thing. In many ways it is a super good thing.

But in some ET eyes that trait is probably less desirable.

The ET's I knew, seem to like a more mellow and static/stoic composition in a person.

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If you wander around you immediately start to take notice that regular people in general are seemingly more temperamental in the general dynamic of how they comport themselves.

What they go through in their inner world (err turmoil?) dictates their erratic behaviors. Sometimes that is a good thing, and often times it is a bad thing.

It's like being surrounded by emotionally charged ADHD patients with ants in their pants.

Well relatively speaking.

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There is always a sizeable minority that seems to be well rounded emotional/intellectual individuals.

I think what is disconcerting to several kinds of ET's is what is sometimes disconcerting to me as well when I saw it more from there perspective after becoming more compatible with their own sphere of experience.

It's that unpredictable behavior and the need to act out far more in line with the changing whims of our rambunctious needs and desires that makes some of these ET (and me) nervous.

Sometimes it is like the animal side of a person is closer to the surface and it affects the way a person thinks and behaves.

No doubt they see me in much the same way.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 28 Feb, 2010, 9:07pm

Fore I would say the stoic composition is a trait within those who can detach naturally, and have learned to suppress/reserve emotion in such away as to release it in a controlled manner.

Pushing this envelope would seem like a natural experiment for the Greys. Functionally it provides them with high threshold individuals who can take some pretty nasty beatings both mentally and physically. As for purpose, I would say it is too varied and has its good and bad potentials embedded, personally I believe it is tailored to an individual. It starts out as a standard template, but then thru testing, the add-ons perhaps modular are based on individual results.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 9:13pm

28 Feb, 2010, 8:52pm, wildmage wrote:

28 Feb, 2010, 8:38pm, dove wrote:

I would suppose this would depend on who was inducing it based on Fore's recent posts it would seem the Greys were heavily involved in creating these alters

There are no "alters" in my particular case WM.

And yes, like dove says, the process can very likely be used to generally negative ends.

28 Feb, 2010, 8:52pm, wildmage wrote:

Of course at one level it can be used for perception and information management in the sense of how information is released and shaped.

That it can.

Though in my case the tests were about accurate memory recall under difficult conditions. (meaning recall during different states of mind, and various other kinds of tests.)

It might surprise you that there are apparently alot of people who cannot go into different modes of mind and utilize psychic information without apparently forgetting quite a bit in the process. There is alot I am not saying because I don't think it is necessary at this time.

I dunno about you, but alot of people don't seem to remember what happened last week on a regular basis.

One of the experiments dealt with inducing photographic recall. I recall the advisor was the one who did the applied testing for that particular one.

28 Feb, 2010, 8:52pm, wildmage wrote:

There are many other uses for this type of programming, one of the darkest is to enable a person to act against their own internal moral and ethical values.

That too. Though it is probably far more complicated than what you might imagine it to be.

It is probably easier to misdirect/mislead someone than it is to compel them to do something against their will.

28 Feb, 2010, 8:52pm, wildmage wrote:

Remembering what those actions were can cause further reinforcement, trauma, depression, even in extreme cases the ability to commit suicidal acts.

What would be the point?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 9:20pm

28 Feb, 2010, 9:07pm, wildmage wrote:

Fore I would say the stoic composition is a trait within those who can detach naturally, and have learned to suppress/reserve emotion in such away as to release it in a controlled manner.

Pushing this envelope would seem like a natural experiment for the Greys. Functionally it provides them with high threshold individuals who can take some pretty nasty beatings both mentally and physically. As for purpose, I would say it is too varied and has its good and bad potentials embedded, personally I believe it is tailored to an individual. It starts out as a standard template, but then thru testing, the add-ons perhaps modular are based on individual results.

I have been told by the advisor many many years ago that they have permanent records for individuals whom they work with.

And it is a compilation of stats on a person.

Though I have never really seen any indication that such a thing actually exists.

Edit: Under close observation, I have noticed that many new foreign ET's taking over my group do not even seem to know who is who.

As far as I can tell, they don't seem to look into any records. For all I know they simply exchange information mentally on my case.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 28 Feb, 2010, 9:52pm

28 Feb, 2010, 9:13pm, fore wrote:

28 Feb, 2010, 8:52pm, wildmage wrote:

I would suppose this would depend on who was inducing it based on Fore's recent posts it would seem the Greys were heavily involved in creating these alters

There are no "alters" in my particular case WM.

I am tempted to say this is a bold statement under the circumstances, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt for the moment. There are however areas of information that are willfully blocked from expression. Clear statements of control pointed out as 'this is not the right time to release such information' and clear methodology used on attempts to force the issue.

And yes, like dove says, the process can very likely be used to generally negative ends.

I am very much in agreement with this and express it also, how much control does a person have to stop themselves from acting on those negative impulses remains to be seen.

That it can.

Though in my case the tests were about accurate memory recall under difficult conditions. (meaning recall during different states of mind, and various other kinds of tests.)

accuracy and precision are a part of it, to induce focus on objectives. An ability to assess a situation based on queues other people will miss or not incorporate in their own evaluation. Reinforcement is simply to ensure it becomes a subconscious part of the person, very much like breathing or walking.

It might surprise you that there are apparently alot of people who cannot go into different modes of mind and utilize psychic information without apparently forgetting quite a bit in the process. There is alot I am not saying because I don't think it is necessary at this time.

This does not surprise me and the reverse of this is also true, there are many people who can utilize psychic information and remember quite a bit. Perhaps ET was working overtime to create these individuals.

I dunno about you, but alot of people don't seem to remember what happened last week on a regular basis.

My recollection abilities work really well, as a matter of fact I would say it is what allows me to excel at certain tasks in RL. I do agree however that there is a percentage of folks who do not seem to care about this particular functionality of their brain.

One of the experiments dealt with inducing photographic recall. I recall the advisor was the one who did the applied testing for that particular one.
I am tempted to say you were predisposed to have this type of add-on worked into your profile. I may be wrong but I will let you explain it.

That too. Though it is probably far more complicated than what you might imagine it to be.
hehe i do not think the ability to imagine something is problem on my end, quite the opposite actually, I need to constantly remind myself to rein it in.

It is probably easier to misdirect/mislead someone than it is to compel them to do something against their will.

My entire take on this and I seriously thought yours too was that the entire process revolved around misdirection.

28 Feb, 2010, 8:52pm, wildmage wrote:

Remembering what those actions were can cause further reinforcement, trauma, depression, even in extreme cases the ability to commit suicidal acts.

What would be the point?

Personally I can imagine quite a few scenarios where this is quite useful depending on the objective and level in lack of human morals and ethics. However these may just be based on incomplete data points available to me.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 28 Feb, 2010, 10:33pm

28 Feb, 2010, 9:13pm, fore wrote:

28 Feb, 2010, 8:52pm, wildmage wrote:

I would suppose this would depend on who was inducing it based on Fore's recent posts it would seem the Greys were heavily involved in creating these alters

There are no "alters" in my particular case WM.

And yes, like dove says, the process can very likely be used to generally negative ends.

Not 'alters' in the traditional sense, but it seems you do have induced partitions, at the very least; those that prevent you from remembering certain things.

I don't recall you speaking much about abduction and you seem to think that they don't use your..ahem...donations. It would surprise me greatly if you haven't had many 'abductions' over the course of your life that perhaps you just don't remember.

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28 Feb, 2010, 8:52pm, wildmage wrote:

Remembering what those actions were can cause further reinforcement, trauma, depression, even in extreme cases the ability to commit suicidal acts.

What would be the point?

What's the point of them doing these things to start with? The things WM listed are designed to make sure people don't try to deprogram, or if they do there will be negative consequences.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 10:33pm

28 Feb, 2010, 9:52pm, wildmage wrote:

I am tempted to say this is a bold statement under the circumstances, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt for the moment. There are however areas of information that are willfully blocked from expression. Clear statements of control pointed out as 'this is not the right time to release such information' and clear methodology used on attempts to force the issue.

That does not imply "alters" WM. That should be pretty obvious.

(Alters = Alternate Personalities)

28 Feb, 2010, 9:52pm, wildmage wrote:

My entire take on this and I seriously thought yours too was that the entire process revolved around misdirection.

Possibly, but you'll have to make a legitimate case of it.

It is pretty important we both talk about "apples to apples" comparisons. Otherwise we will both confuse one another in what we really mean when we type something up.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 11:08pm

28 Feb, 2010, 10:33pm, dove wrote:

28 Feb, 2010, 9:13pm, fore wrote:

There are no "alters" in my particular case WM.

And yes, like dove says, the process can very likely be used to generally negative ends.

Not 'alters' in the traditional sense, but it seems you do have induced partitions, at the very least; those that prevent you from remembering certain things.

I think you mean "Higher Self" correct?

If so, I do not consider it a alternate personality by any definition. As the gradient of thinking and expressive ability changes based on natural and psychic factors. This does not imply that the personality changes in anyway.

It is a form of "higher grade" consciousness derived from various latent components that everyone has built in but hardly anyone utilizes.

If someone has an alternate personality, then they are a mindjob victim in all likelihood.

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As for hiding information in plain sight. That can be done without adding multiple personalities. It's fairly simple if you understand the basics.

Some ET's like to induce higher psychic functionality for interaction purposes. That changes depending on what the person might be used for.

By virtue of the elevated activations of latent psychic components the person can access advanced awareness and cognition with thought processes that are in excess of normal standard operating envelope for a human being.

But if there is not enough time is allotted after the set up process (higher level activation and awareness).....

Then, because of the short time, [and various subjects for another time] the information does not completely propagate through normal brain processes to become fully encoded as brain based memory. And is instead retained in psychic structures in which s standard conscious awareness cannot make it readily accessible.

In effect, causing what appears to be spontaneous "memory loss". The info and experience is still there, it simply did not have enough time to become coded as a part of lower "brain-based" hardware memory.

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Recall, that unlike 9 out of 10 experiencers. My memories and sustained activations/experience (and the resulting advanced awareness and talents) lasted for years on the ground and not in some ET lab. They occurred by greater proportion while fully cognizant and woven into day to day experiences.

Therefore I did not lose most memories of the experience nor did I experience any Alters. Sure, there is a memory block in effect for a period of time before I made an agreement with the advisor. It was stated that would happen at the onset. But that again is not alters in any sense of the word.

Unless I missed the definition of alternate personalities....?

I think you guys are reading from a MILABs books and applying terms improperly.

28 Feb, 2010, 10:33pm, dove wrote:

I don't recall you speaking much about abduction and you seem to think that they don't use your..ahem...donations. It would surprise me greatly if you haven't had many 'abductions' over the course of your life that perhaps you just don't remember.

From what I know, I have never given any "donations" of sperm.

I wouldn't under any circumstances. I know better than to allow that to happen. If I have any children I want them in my arms and not in theirs.

I never talk about abductions because the few that I do recall are sporadic at best. Most of the activity is done during waking time and fully aware interactions.

Most abductions that I can recall happened just before my agreement and at a very early age.

Long before I would be capable of procreating. They never seemed interested in my personal genes and I wouldn't have offered anyway.

28 Feb, 2010, 10:33pm, dove wrote:

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What would be the point?

What's the point of them doing these things to start with? The things WM listed are designed to make sure people don't try to deprogram, or if they do there will be negative consequences.

I don't know where WM is coming from other than probably reducing it to [what I perceive to be] pretty crude understandings. I guess you'll have to ask him what the point is.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Feb, 2010, 11:21pm

In addition to my prior post, I would like to add that the complex thought forms of a higher state of mind are not easily "threaded" into a normal brain associative process of storing memories.

Remember that your brain doesn't take pictures but instead internally breaks down complex bit's of associative information and stores it that way. Ideas that are incredibly complex do not get scribed onto the brain matter sitting in your skull.

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The good news is that the memory is not lost in a higher state of awareness and cognition.

No doubt most people will notice that the memories re-appear and become once again accessible as soon as their level of activation becomes sufficient for higher grade consciousness based thinking and cognition.

It gets complicated very quickly.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 28 Feb, 2010, 11:39pm

28 Feb, 2010, 11:08pm, fore wrote:

28 Feb, 2010, 10:33pm, dove wrote:

Not 'alters' in the traditional sense, but it seems you do have induced partitions, at the very least; those that prevent you from remembering certain things.

I think you mean "Higher Self" correct?

No, I do not mean the higher self. I mean sections of your mind that are purposefully blocked off from conscious awareness. That doesn't mean it's the higher self.

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If so, I do not consider it a alternate personality by any definition. As the gradient of thinking and expressive ability changes based on natural and psychic factors. This does not imply that the personality changes in anyway.

It's not an alternate personality, nor one that is partitioned {edit to add: the higher self is what I am referring to here; it is neither an alter nor a 'partition' in the traditional use of the term. However I think the so-called higher self can take over when/if needed, especially true when sleeping}. See above.

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It is a form of "higher grade" consciousness derived from various latent components that everyone has built in but hardly anyone utilizes.

Correct.

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If someone has an alternate personality, then they are a mindjob victim in all likelihood.

Correct again.

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As for hiding information in plain sight. That can be done without adding multiple personalities. It's fairly simple if you understand the basics.

Some ET's like to induce higher psychic functionality for interaction purposes. That changes depending on what the person might be used for.

By virtue of the elevated activations of latent psychic components the person can access advanced awareness and cognition with thought processes that are in excess of normal standard operating envelope for a human being.

But if there is not enough time is allotted after the set up process (higher level activation and awareness).....

Then, because of the short time, [and various subjects for another time] the information does not completely propagate through normal brain processes to become fully encoded as brain based memory. And is instead retained in psychic structures in which the standard conscious awareness cannot make accessible.

In effect, causing what appears to be spontaneous "memory loss". The info and experience is still there, it simply did not have enough time to become coded as a part of lower "brain-based" hardware memory.

That's different than what I was talking about. Sorry for mixing them together. The spontaneous stuff is usually induced by someone sitting there across the room and making you forget something, or remotely by implants or some other means, as far as I can perceive. I'm sure their technology is quite sophisticated.

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Recall, that unlike 9 out of 10 experiencers. My memories and sustained activations/experience (and the resulting advanced awareness and talents) lasted for years on the ground and not in some ET lab. They occurred by greater proportion while fully cognizant and woven into day to day experiences.

Therefore I did not lose most memories of the experience nor did I experience any Alters. Sure, there is a memory block in effect for a period of time before I made an agreement with the advisor. It was stated that would happen at the onset. But that again is not alters in any sense of the word.

Unless I missed the definition of alternate personalities....?

I think you guys are reading from a MILABs books and applying terms improperly.

No, you didn't miss the definition. Again, I used that term for an extreme example of partitioning of the mind. My bad. I still think it's possible that you have induced partitions, whether you realize it or not (by that I do not mean extra personalities--though someone long ago pointed out to me a change in your posting style at one point, and how it has switched back again. At this point I think maybe it was like it is now--that they left you alone for a period of time).

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I would be very surprised indeed if they haven't used your donations against your will. You think anyone is volunteering to do that?

If they can take a person and perform testing on them in just a matter of minutes (in our time), then you'd have to be pretty on the ball to notice a momentary lapse in the day (and night while you're asleep).

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I never talk about abductions because the few that I do recall are sporadic at best. Most of the activity is done during waking time and fully aware interactions.

Most abductions that I can recall happened just before my agreement and at a very early age.

Long before I would be capable of procreating. They never seemed interested in my personal genes and I wouldn't have offered anyway.

If that's actually true, then you are very lucky indeed. Not saying that you're lying about it, of course; just pointing out the possibility that you may not *always* know what has been done to you. It may be a slim chance, but I would think it's there, nonetheless.

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What's the point of them doing these things to start with? The things WM listed are designed to make sure people don't try to deprogram, or if they do there will be negative consequences.

I don't know where WM is coming from other than probably reducing it to [what I perceive to be] pretty crude understandings. I guess you'll have to ask him what the point is.

Actually, I brought up alters. This was an extreme example of partitioning which I was using. What WM said about the repercussions for messing with programming is correct, not a crude misunderstanding. It may not apply to you but it is a reality for some people.

{edited for clarity}

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 1 Mar, 2010, 12:30am

28 Feb, 2010, 10:33pm, fore wrote:

28 Feb, 2010, 9:52pm, wildmage wrote:

That does not imply "alters" WM. That should be pretty obvious.

(Alters = Alternate Personalities)

I would simply ask where does the information go and who has control over it when your group is not around? This is a question you need to answer for yourself. As to whether or not those answers are ever publicly disclosed is very much a personal choice on your part.

28 Feb, 2010, 9:52pm, wildmage wrote:

My entire take on this and I seriously thought yours too was that the entire process revolved around misdirection.

lol, I almost posted the foundational and technical analysis aspects of my own experience that drive this statement.

However, misdirection is recognized in my case by asking what happens when you make a conscious decision to view the Advisor, Greys, Entities, as avatars created for your benefit as in entities for you to interact with. It is difficult to create a meaningful interaction when there is no source other then an induced chemical reaction in the brain.

I am not by any stretch of the imagination claiming the experience did not occur, or that it was not externally induced. I am however questioning the need for an avatar. As to who, what, where, this is purely debatable. It could be other humans or super humans, it could be extra/ultra terrestrial life, located on the planet or even a projection from deep space.

So I suppose the corner stone of misdirection in my opinion would have to be the various avatars that people experience. They might be representational of the actual interacting entity, however based on experience and the various accounts around me these appear to be projected to fit expectation.

implants, abductions, missing time, and even the ship technology people report touches on the quantum nature of the phenomenon. The other aspects of unexplainable kenesis or induced effects on electrical and electronics also point to a level of environmental control available. The question being is it remote or physically within reach remains an open issue within my own mind. I do not question the validity ... Yes it is real, however misdirection is embedded in what is shown in the induced experience of the subject. Pieces are also removed to force a bridge or connection to be constructed between those who experience. Many report back what it was they experienced, some have so many pieces missing that bridging constructs are needed, just to make sense of what happened.

I am keeping away from the technical aspects of it for personal reasons, and just giving one core example that should be enough to demonstrate from whence the statement originated.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 1 Mar, 2010, 12:49am

Fore, post 2679 really caused me to peak while reading that [third-party observation?], plus its giving me ideas...

@Dove, no offence intended, I am expressing frustration that is all. I have never been particularly good at inducing the "correct" emotional response in text [well, short of flames leaping off a page].

@WM, I had a rather bad "distinct" experience as a very young child in a wartime context, I would rather not go into it, mainly as I do not remember the incident [but its effects were there]. However, the main moment at which I could start partitioning the mind correctly occurred not too much longer [a few months] after an accident in the sonic experimentation lab at the University I was studying at.

If you are wondering at the nature of the accident, well, when we were performing a rather basic test on sound waves, and frequency effects, the accidental discovery of the resonance frequency of the left side of my skull occurred. I assure you there is no pain on this earth that can compare to one plate of your skull vibrating violently...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 1 Mar, 2010, 2:09am

1 Mar, 2010, 12:30am, wildmage wrote:

I would simply ask where does the information go and who has control over it when your group is not around? This is a question you need to answer for yourself. As to whether or not those answers are ever publicly disclosed is very much a personal choice on your part.

Which information?

I don't understand the question?

Do you mean the memories of higher consciousness? If so, then they "go" nowhere. It's inside your consciousness.

Do you perhaps mean a persons profile? If so, I would not know.

1 Mar, 2010, 12:30am, wildmage wrote:

lol, I almost posted the foundational and technical analysis aspects of my own experience that drive this statement.

Please post it as your background thinking is bewildering.

I don't see what is stopping you. Between you and dove we don't seem to be communicating properly. Some of that is by using terms improperly.

Maybe we should take the time to discuss the words and their intended meaning because you guys are leaving me with a daunting task as to what it is your trying to say.

1 Mar, 2010, 12:30am, wildmage wrote:

However, misdirection is recognized in my case by asking what happens when you make a conscious decision to view the Advisor, Greys, Entities, as avatars created for your benefit as in entities for you to interact with. It is difficult to create a meaningful interaction when there is no source other then an induced chemical reaction in the brain.

I am not by any stretch of the imagination claiming the experience did not occur, or that it was not externally induced. I am however questioning the need for an avatar. As to who, what, where, this is purely debatable. It could be other humans or super humans, it could be extra/ultra terrestrial life, located on the planet or even a projection from deep space.

So I suppose the corner stone of misdirection in my opinion would have to be the various avatars that people experience. They might be representational of the actual interacting entity, however based on experience and the various accounts around me these appear to be projected to fit expectation.

implants, abductions, missing time, and even the ship technology people report touches on the quantum nature of the phenomenon. The other aspects of unexplainable kenesis or induced effects on electrical and electronics also point to a level of environmental control available. The question being is it remote or physically within reach remains an open issue within my own mind. I do not question the validity ... Yes it is real, however misdirection is embedded in what is shown in the induced experience of the subject. Pieces are also removed to force a bridge or connection to be constructed between those who experience. Many report back what it was they experienced, some have so many pieces missing that bridging constructs are needed, just to make sense of what happened.

Again, I am left bewildered by another one of your posts.

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Okay the basic premise I see you use is that somehow there can be interactions without a nebulous undefined term you used called "an avatar". Define what you mean by an Avatar?

Does that mean a body, or a psychic experience or what? I don't understand your ideas or the premise your trying to establish.

Explain and elaborate in simple words?

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.c....239&post=233733

1 Mar, 2010, 12:30am, wildmage wrote:

I am keeping away from the technical aspects of it for personal reasons, and just giving one core example that should be enough to demonstrate from whence the statement originated.

You'll have to go into your premise and actually establish it.

I realize you and I think pretty differently. But honestly WM, you have a lot of views that are fairly divergent from my own. Your understandings are quite different from my own.

So you'll have to to do the dirty work of actually establishing several plausible types of conjectures as somewhat valid before I go through the flaming hoops.

The idea that avatars are necessary in the way you pose it, is something that needs lots of work as there is alot of complexity to consider.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 1 Mar, 2010, 4:01am

1 Mar, 2010, 2:09am, fore wrote:

Between you and dove we don't seem to be communicating properly. Some of that is by using terms improperly.

Maybe we should take the time to discuss the words and their intended meaning because you guys are leaving me with a daunting task as to what it is your trying to say.

I edited two of my posts to clarify some things. Also, in my last post I explained what I meant by alters. Hopefully my edit of the post at the top of the page will finish clearing up any confusion as to how I was using the word. I added to the post and replaced a couple words; other than that, it is unchanged.

The other edit was the addition in purple, which explained what "it" was in my first sentence.

Of course, I should have just written a whole new post to lay it out, but I'm lazy tonight.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 1 Mar, 2010, 4:25am

28 Feb, 2010, 8:38pm, dove wrote:

I think compartmentalization might be a normal human response, though I'm sure some are more able than others. In Ponti's case, he partitioned in order to get on with it rather than lay there in pain and anguish.

Some partitioning happens with people who have been severely traumatized by mind control experiments and cult abuse. This is natural or it can be induced. People are known to literally leave their bodies while another portion of themselves takes over. This creates alter personalities within the human.

Partitioning the mind such as Ponti did is similar, but without the alters, or the OOB part; it was traumatic and therefore the need was there to portion off those parts of his mind. It's almost like turning off the pain receptors or something. ?

{edited for clarity. Added parts are in purple, replacement words are in yellow.}

Okay, fine. I'll stop being lazy, so I can define how I'm using some of these words.

These are how I use the terms; meaning not everyone may use them the way I do. That's why I want to state how I am using them--to (hopefully) clear up some of the confusion.

So there's "compartmentalization" and "partitioning". I think that they are similar, and both have varying degrees. Compartmentalization is perhaps more subtle; not extreme as it were with actually needing to partition off a part of your mind (as with trauma).

I think the former is more for ferreting away information; putting it in storage for later use, or never to be used. To me, partitioning is more complex than that and can involve splitting the mind, so to speak, but not necessarily creating "alters". This can be done voluntarily, as in Ponti's case, or induced/forced upon someone, or it can happen naturally as a result of trauma. Maybe in the last instance it *is* that the higher self is taking over.

This is how I perceive the terms. I may be using them wrong. Idk. Someone else would have to correct me.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 1 Mar, 2010, 5:14am

I know I'm probably not using those terms correctly. I apologize. To stick with what I've written, though, I think it would have been more correct for me to say 'induced compartmentalization' rather than 'induced partitions', when speaking of the possibility of Fore having abductions and procedures done that he may not remember. I know there's probably a different word for what is done to induce that forgetfulness.

And of course, I'm not Fore, so I have no idea. Perhaps he remembers everything and they never did anything extra because of whatever reason, like his contract. They may be actually abiding by it. That would surprise me, since he said they're a bunch of liars, but hey...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 1 Mar, 2010, 5:27am

1 Mar, 2010, 2:09am, fore wrote:

1 Mar, 2010, 12:30am, wildmage wrote:

and you have control,
Based on:
"The males for example focused on pain threshold and how I reacted under stress. While the advisor worked on teaching how to adapt/cope properly to different situations and control different processes that were normally supposed make a person act out irregularly."
and various other statements demonstrating you were trained to have control over your own consciousness.

If the above is true can you explain the follwoing statements :
"I now remember the topic but I don't fully remember what I had originally planned to say"
"God I feel incredible resistance."

28 Feb, 2010, 8:18am, fore wrote:

[quote author=eric board=research thread=1953 post=239130 time=1267337474]Does that mean you remember?

and

28 Feb, 2010, 7:37am, fore wrote:

I recall I was going to talk about....LMAO....it's happening again.

This is crazy stuff....I even recall the advisor wanted me to talk about it once about a year and a half ago or so.

I don't see why my mind is being hampered so much in such obvious ways.

Fore: (goes back and starts reading my own words until the recall kicks in once again)

What is causing? Why do you suddenly not have access to the information you wanted to explain? Why the sudden loss of control or resistence? Of course a fast escape hatch is to simply claim that you spoke too soon and that ET was still monitoring and obviously caused the effects.

I will say this, for your own benefit, not mine it is a question you need to answer for yourself. As to whether or not those answers are ever publicly disclosed is very much a personal choice on your part. I am not trying to force a public statement from you, but I do feel a personal honest answer to a question you ask yourself may yield separate answers. Then again maybe not, only you can determine this for yourself.

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just posting this part first.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 1 Mar, 2010, 5:55am

1 Mar, 2010, 2:09am, fore wrote:

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Please post it as your background thinking is bewildering.

I don't see what is stopping you. Between you and dove we don't seem to be communicating properly. Some of that is by using terms improperly.

Maybe we should take the time to discuss the words and their intended meaning because you guys are leaving me with a daunting task as to what it is your trying to say.

Again, I am left bewildered by another one of your posts.

At this time I believe this particular information is extraneous and would be irrelevant to the current discussion. I was just noting it for personal reasons.

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Okay the basic premise I see you use is that somehow there can be interactions without a nebulous undefined term you used called "an avatar". Define what you mean by an Avatar?

Does that mean a body, or a psychic experience or what? I don't understand your ideas or the premise your trying to establish.

Explain and elaborate in simple words?

I was using the term 'avatar' in this case as a mental construct created to represent the phenomenon being experienced.
In most cases it would be Humanoid
it would not have physical form i.e invisible and yet still able to perform various effects within the subjects environment.
It would be able to demonstrate many of the characteristics in your list below:

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.c....239&post=233733

1 Mar, 2010, 12:30am, wildmage wrote:

I am keeping away from the technical aspects of it for personal reasons, and just giving one core example that should be enough to demonstrate from whence the statement originated.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 1 Mar, 2010, 10:44am

I do wonder if the Avatar system is stated as clearly as it is in the movie Avatar.

It could also clearly mean that we are sort of AI to our true self or a subconsciously do not yet realize this nor see it on several levels of occasions.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 1 Mar, 2010, 10:47am

To Fore

Just a pop quiz and checking in on something

I am finding something quite interesting and running a full analysis on the situation.

Warning goggles may be required for the test.

Hmmmm

These will do just fine 8-)

Is your adviser Telos, Lyrean or from one of the bases in South America. I am not sure but she does seem to have a green glow to her and also wears the blue uniform. I also ran into couple of walls and channels from time to time to link this together but still working fully.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 1 Mar, 2010, 11:05am

The pure share understanding of the things you state are fascinating but questionable at times. I am trying to study and run a full analysis on your group and it is amazing to see why they are interested in you.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 1 Mar, 2010, 12:56pm

1 Mar, 2010, 5:27am, wildmage wrote:

and various other statements demonstrating you were trained to have control over your own consciousness.

If the above is true can you explain the follwoing statements :

It's a form of psychic interference as far as I know.

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I don't see, to understand your thinking process nor how you put together ideas.

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Anyway, I am going to assume alot of meanings because you seem to clam up when you should instead be elaborating.

I don't have the luxury of passively listening in on your thoughts and filling in the blanks so I will try to do it based on what I can actually see.

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Best guess: You have ?somehow managed? to associate personal control over ones mind as if it were absolute. A sort of "~vacuum free floating~" without external realities of undue influence.

Unfortunately, that isn't a reality.

The people (ET's) I dealt with are able to reach out and affect each others mind. So the idea that sovereign control over your own internal thought process does not in any way, shape, or form mean that you cannot be unduly affected by a third party.

Psychic individuals, such as those of some ET natures, can easily affect the internal thought and internal biological process of an individual though multitudes of ways.

A remotely initiated partial amnesia does not in itself negate the idea of ones own sovereign control over their thoughts. It simply means that there are actual factors in reality that cannot be avoided.

It also does not imply alters...though alters is one plausible possibility within a different context.

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This blanking has been done remotely and/or with the person right next to me. It seems to work pretty effectively in it's own way and causes a person, such as I, to lose track of the imminent thoughts they were about to express.

It is intelligent created and induced phenomena.

I have never observed an alternate personality or other such thing in the presence of the phenomena.

As far as I know the ET's do utilize several wide scope implementations on a psychic level to mask their real appearance and nature.

But lets be clear, telepathy is not and never should be considered by any sane individual to equate to multiple personality disorder. To do so would be an act of being stupendously daft.

The two are two different topics with different types of markers.

1 Mar, 2010, 5:27am, wildmage wrote:

First of all, your all over the place in ideas and concepts. I do not think in all honesty that your conceptualizing/rationalizing things in a proper context.

Its almost as if your personal system of understanding is contorted with irrelevant or illogical associations and assumptions being made left and right.

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To address the mind wipe process:

I can give you a Grey explanation of the process since it is the simpler version.

You want to know how a mind wipe process is enacted from what I can read.

The process as described by several Greys in a handful of conversations deal with what they perceived to be inner modules and processes of thought.

These Greys explained it in simplified terms of "mental forces" in an individuals inner psychic space.

These ET likened it to a thought process manifested as "a thread" that correlates to a particular thought. They exert control over that thread by changing it's properties in the mind of the individual. They can gain indirect control over the neurological functions of the brain in a number of ways which I will mention briefly.

--By direct control of the psychic manifestation of the thoughts. If changed on that level, it becomes a manifested change on a physical thought process.

--By inducing direct control of the neurological anatomy of a persons mind by enforcing a set protocol of physiological inducement.

(Read: This is a Grey way of simply saying that in the same way that a guru can control their heart beat rate or the core temperature of their body, they can control physiologically how we commit memory in our mind)

They expressed that they understand how our brain works. They can induce certain kinds of physiological responses to cause "permanent" memory loss or affect how well a memory is retained.

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Hopefully that explains it in simple terms.

1 Mar, 2010, 5:27am, wildmage wrote:

I will say this, for your own benefit, not mine it is a question you need to answer for yourself. As to whether or not those answers are ever publicly disclosed is very much a personal choice on your part. I am not trying to force a public statement from you, but I do feel a personal honest answer to a question you ask yourself may yield separate answers. Then again maybe not, only you can determine this for yourself.

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just posting this part first.

Your doing a poor job of actually posing the question.

I asked you to elaborate...and instead I received an even more vague set of questions and an even shorter reply.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 1 Mar, 2010, 1:21pm

1 Mar, 2010, 10:47am, shadowninja wrote:

To Fore

Just a pop quiz and checking in on something

I am finding something quite interesting and running a full analysis on the situation.

Warning goggles may be required for the test.

Hmmmm

These will do just fine 8-)

I don't know.

I don't read UFOlogy,

The closest imagery that matches from my memory and certain glimpses is that of this:
[image]

The most uncanny resemblance so far encountered in a different case is probably Alex Collier and his "Andromedans".

Though I hardly know anything about this guy except from watching about 1 hour and 30 minutes of one of his video as posted here by JakeReason.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 1 Mar, 2010, 1:27pm

Ok that is very interesting are you in any sort of contact with her at all.

But is it on day to day bases I would presume that this is the case.

Is it not??

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 1 Mar, 2010, 2:09pm

1 Mar, 2010, 1:27pm, shadowninja wrote:

Ok that is very interesting are you in any sort of contact with her at all.

But is it on day to day bases I would presume that this is the case.

Is it not??

No it ended several years ago. The monitoring seems to continue at times.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 1 Mar, 2010, 4:07pm

1 Mar, 2010, 1:27pm, shadowninja wrote:

Ok that is very interesting are you in any sort of contact with her at all.

I was, just recently a number of weeks ago. But not now, I haven't heard any kind of communication since then.

1 Mar, 2010, 1:27pm, shadowninja wrote:

But is it on day to day bases I would presume that this is the case.

Is it not??

It was the case until recently.

I have a real reason to believe that I can no longer perceive them. It is likely though that they still monitor even if I am no longer capable of being aware of it.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 1 Mar, 2010, 4:23pm

1 Mar, 2010, 4:07pm, fore wrote:

1 Mar, 2010, 1:27pm, shadowninja wrote:

Ok that is very interesting are you in any sort of contact with her at all.

I was, just recently a number of weeks ago. But not now, I haven't heard any kind of communication since then.

1 Mar, 2010, 1:27pm, shadowninja wrote:

But is it on day to day bases I would presume that this is the case.

Is it not??

It was the case until recently.

I have a real reason to believe that I can no longer perceive them. It is likely though that they still monitor even if I am no longer capable of being aware of it.

Hmm it is odd but yet so much claims made by you state that you are in contact at all times.

I am reasoning as to what your skills are to be exact.

Do you have energy recognition on any level at all???

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 1 Mar, 2010, 5:14pm

1 Mar, 2010, 4:23pm, shadowninja wrote:

1 Mar, 2010, 4:07pm, fore wrote:

I was, just recently a number of weeks ago. But not now, I haven't heard any kind of communication since then.

It was the case until recently.

I have a real reason to believe that I can no longer perceive them. It is likely though that they still monitor even if I am no longer capable of being aware of it.

Hmm it is odd but yet so much claims made by you state that you are in contact at all times.

It changes from day to day hour to hour. But generally speaking it is semi-continuous most of the time.

They may leave for months on end, at times, but they always appoint someone to generally "keep an eye on me" most of the time. It is really rare for all of them to disappear.

1 Mar, 2010, 4:23pm, shadowninja wrote:

I am reasoning as to what your skills are to be exact.

As a rule imposed by them, (a really sensible rule) I don't list all of the abilities I have had nor can have when at my regular psychic state.

1 Mar, 2010, 4:23pm, shadowninja wrote:

Do you have energy recognition on any level at all???

At this moment, No.

I cannot even feel 90% of what I used to feel/perceive even at arms length from minute to minute.

Even when I look at your name all I see is a name. No thoughts, no ideas, simply a name.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 1 Mar, 2010, 6:47pm

Quote:

Today at 1:44, Dr.House wrote:« Reply #2690 Today at 1:44 »
[quote author=shadowninja board=research thread=1953 post=239315 time=1267433099]

I do wonder if the Avatar system is stated as clearly as it is in the movie Avatar.

It could also clearly mean that we are sort of AI to our true self or a subconsciously do not yet realize this nor see it on several levels of occasions.

The movie no... the genius of that particular movie was the demonstration of certain philosophical concepts, I would not put more into this movie then that.

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Avatar as in; I look at your name on this forum, stated as "Dr House" I look at the picture you posted to represent the persona you wish to project. I look at the words you write, the statements made, and the questions you ask. From this I get a fast representation, though limited of who you are.

In addition if I get an energy reading from you, (Big if), then I begin to formulate a kind of avatar profile of who you are. It may be real on some levels but it is only a mental construct representing the data points collected during in our interaction.

Taken to the next level and more in context, this same process is used when we have a phenomenon occurring around us which is hard to explain. The phenomenon in this case has an ability to affect the visual cortex and auditory centers of the brain. The phenomenon in this case is intelligent and can communicate. It appears to be localized but when tested can very well be initiated remotely.

That we assign it an avatar to represent the various data points collected, does not mean it is not a real occurence, but then again we can also claim this conversation never took place.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by one on 1 Mar, 2010, 7:11pm

Sounds like telepathic hypnosis.

You should under go hypnosis, to try and recall memories if you are really concerned. It would be a good test to see if what they are doing is telepathic hypnosis.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 1 Mar, 2010, 7:30pm

1 Mar, 2010, 6:47pm, wildmage wrote:

Quote:

You should stick to calling it a mental construct or maybe even a "profile".

But I deeply disagree with the use of the term "Avatar". It seems to me it would breed unnecessary confusion if it's used. [IMO]

1 Mar, 2010, 6:47pm, wildmage wrote:

but then again we can also claim this conversation never took place.

What do you mean?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 1 Mar, 2010, 7:33pm

1 Mar, 2010, 6:47pm, wildmage wrote:

Quote:

Yet we could have this conversations months or weeks ago. But we also may have had it in the future as well so yes indeed it surely does not mean that it is not real. The main question is we talked about this before even raising the question or statement in both future and past before stating it in the present moment given.

Some people learn and some people advance and learn at the same time.

But!!!

Which is it really??

Because both can be stated as one and therefore there is no duality or difference between one another raising the statement of good vs evil. There is no good or bad for both can be made by any person it is us who judge these acts with our thoughts. For we create this duality illusion and make it a reality.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by mystiq on 1 Mar, 2010, 7:33pm

Except the black ops are really using avatars. So its not really confusing. Most get a sense what it means in specifics as well as use of it metaphysically. We're all avatars, being interfaced with.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 1 Mar, 2010, 7:48pm

1 Mar, 2010, 7:11pm, one wrote:

Sounds like telepathic hypnosis.

You should under go hypnosis, to try and recall memories if you are really concerned. It would be a good test to see if what they are doing is telepathic hypnosis.

Hmm indeed it is possible to subdue the human mind into a deep trance with telepathic hypnosis

. However

this also raises the question of range and strong enough connection to the subject or patient.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 1 Mar, 2010, 10:53pm

1 Mar, 2010, 12:49am, pontificator wrote:

Fore, post 2679 really caused me to peak while reading that [third-party observation?], plus its giving me ideas...

@Dove, no offense intended, I am expressing frustration that is all. I have never been particularly good at inducing the "correct" emotional response in text [well, short of flames leaping off a page].

@WM, I had a rather bad "distinct" experience as a very young child in a wartime context, I would rather not go into it, mainly as I do not remember the incident [but its effects were there]. However, the main moment at which I could start partitioning the mind correctly occurred not too much longer [a few months] after an accident in the sonic experimentation lab at the University I was studying at.

If you are wondering at the nature of the accident, well, when we were performing a rather basic test on sound waves, and frequency effects, the accidental discovery of the resonance frequency of the left side of my skull occurred. I assure you there is no pain on this earth that can compare to one plate of your skull vibrating violently...

Sorry I did not reply sooner, but i felt I needed to give this a day or so to really think about it. To me your mention of these two scenarios, has helped me understand a lot more regarding where it is you are coming from. So respect is due in that sense.

My father told me once that if there was anyone on this planet capable of surmounting challenges, and doing what it takes, it would be a child coming out of a war-zone. So in this aspect I would say you are capable of moving mountains at will. This just speaks to a capacity of actualizing your will power.

The sound test are intriguing, but would understand it if you really did not want to talk about it. Without pressure, and if you do not want to answer you can just tell me nunya and I will leave it alone. Were you alone in the Lab? I ask this because having to shut down the equipment thru the pain would have been one heck of a challenge. Although I believe even communicating to someone else to get them to shut it off would have been just as difficult. Respects to you if you still had the capacity to function or communicate thru this ordeal.

Did your meeting with the Orange occur prior or after the accident? In my personal opinion it does add an interesting layer to your story.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 1 Mar, 2010, 11:14pm

1 Mar, 2010, 7:30pm, fore wrote:

1 Mar, 2010, 6:47pm, wildmage wrote:

but then again we can also claim this conversation never took place.

What do you mean?

hmmm

... i would say that the profile is just data points

The mental construct related to this profile could be built as a node network of information without assigning an entity to it.

The use of the term avatar just points to the profile and mental construct being holostically assigned to an entity. The actual existence of this entity is most likely real, however what it actually is at least in my mind is an unknown.

Applicable very much in the same way that a person communicting online may not actually know the conversation in a chatroom contains a chatbot. Assignable to an avatar of a person, but in actuality just a piece of software.

before anyone jumps to conclusions no not like the movie the Matrix.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 1 Mar, 2010, 11:35pm

1 Mar, 2010, 7:11pm, one wrote:

Sounds like telepathic hypnosis.

You should under go hypnosis, to try and recall memories if you are really concerned. It would be a good test to see if what they are doing is telepathic hypnosis.

interesting comment one... would be interesting to see an explanation on how you believe this would work, and what the source of such an action would be.

As for going to a hypnotist, meh I would go to a doc first, and I have a serious aversion to doctors

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 1 Mar, 2010, 11:58pm

@ fore,

In my use of the term alter it is a much more generalized term.

It could be a duality mental mirror used to solve problems, or the higher self as used in an altered conscious experience, it is also used to represent aspects which may have been compartmentalized away from a mainline personality. For example, an alter in my view could be a personality aspect which is not allowed to surface unless specific conditions are met. Usually constructed in the suppression of emotional aspects of our personality. Take anger, as a prime example we learn to suppress this by handling it in myriad of different ways, however this personality aspect of ourselves may still surface from time to time. It is still a part of us but compartmentalized and becomes an alter to our main personality. In other words, when this aspect of our personality is used it is in contrast to and a deviation from how we would normally handle a particular situation.

I do not use the term alter to mean multiple personality disorder (MPD) or schizophrenia, but to represent those aspects of a personality which have be compartmentalized away from the main persona projected by an individual. Most likely for good reason too.

Perhaps I am using the wrong term, in which case it would simply be ignorance on my part.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by one on 2 Mar, 2010, 12:50am

If ET's can speak to your mind, all it would take would be some suggestions and a relaxing but steady way into a hypnotic state. They could even use ear sounds if they wanted, or perhaps they have learned to probe the spot that can instantly put you "out".

It is funny when sometimes abductee's have a feeling to goto sleep all of a sudden. Simple telepathic hypnosis suggestions going in the back of the brain. I suppose if you were ET and could connect psychically as well as people suggest, hypnosis through telepathic would be very easy. I'm chuckling a bit here, because I find it VERY funny, that these highly "advanced" beings could be doing something that seems rather...simple.

In my perspective anyways. I suppose the whole psychic/connecting from vast distances is a bit beyond most of us. It is the hypnosis part and how many uses it has in the study of abductions. Hypnosis can make you forget, just as well as make you remember.

Or ya know, it could be "implants." Who is really to say?

Sure, go to a doctor. If nothing comes up and you'd like to recall information that you know is there, but you can't reach...then goto a hypnotist.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 2 Mar, 2010, 1:08am

@One

just two questions:

1. Why would it need to be psychic?
2. Why would it need to be ET?

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Not saying that it is not, just checking to see what is driving these conclusions.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by one on 2 Mar, 2010, 1:13am

In theory, it wouldn't need to be psychic or ET. I'm just going along with the status quo.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 2 Mar, 2010, 1:20am

1 Mar, 2010, 11:14pm, wildmage wrote:

hmmm

... i would say that the profile is just data points

The mental construct related to this profile could be built as a node network of information without assigning an entity to it.

Your idea strikes me as very nonsensical in terms of analysis from my point of view.

What purpose is there in generating a profile and then not attaching it to any specific identity?

You boggle my mind outright...

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Either I am not tracking well with what your are saying Or the ideas as proposed and expressed....inherently follow no sensible logic.

Identifying a number of "characteristics" while not attaching them to a specific entity. Yeah, I have definitely been thrown for a loop?

1 Mar, 2010, 11:14pm, wildmage wrote:

The use of the term avatar just points to the profile and mental construct being holostically assigned to an entity. The actual existence of this entity is most likely real, however what it actually is at least in my mind is an unknown.

I also have no idea what it means to be holistic in that sense. I think I better stick to my own terminology and hope no one gets confused in the rift between the two opposing views.

I don't particularly see the need to apply your specific methodology of not assigning it to a specific entity unless there is a raised question of individuality or some kind of "group mind"....or some strange situation like that.

So far I haven't come across a group mind as ordinary people seem to conceptualize it in terms of ET.

1 Mar, 2010, 11:14pm, wildmage wrote:

Applicable very much in the same way that a person communicting online may not actually know the conversation in a chatroom contains a chatbot. Assignable to an avatar of a person, but in actuality just a piece of software.

before anyone jumps to conclusions no not like the movie the Matrix.

You mean something like an artificial intelligence?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 2 Mar, 2010, 1:31am

1 Mar, 2010, 10:53pm, wildmage wrote:

1 Mar, 2010, 12:49am, pontificator wrote:

Some dates: War early 1982, The black one visits 1989, lab incident late 2000, car accident mid 2008 , orange one late 2008, small being? early 2009, an insect one? late 2009.

The main problem with a sonic lab is that everyone is wearing protective hearing equipment, so they cannot hear you. I bolted out of there as fast as possible, as I was not the one with my hand on the dial.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wildmage on 2 Mar, 2010, 3:05am

recognizing that you may have insufficient data to make a proper determination in assigning an entity to the data set currently in your possesion

but of course this would be non-sensical because the data you have available is complete.

brown eyes, brown hair, approximately 6 feet tall, male, has 4 limbs, appears intelligent, has the ability to communicate ... and the entity is

Ah yes human , no a bear ... no its big foot ... no wait its... ET ... hmmm no maybe a demon ... oh what the heck never mind it is of no importance anyway. What duhya mean prof... its misdirection you are not supposed to be able to figure it out. b'duh oh ok... i love you bye bye

maybe that made more sense. NOT good luck

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edit to add

if you want non-sensical i can give you non-sensical

Personally I think you are intelligent enough to make the connections as needed where needed without resorting to ... "but this does not not make sense to me" tactics.

However at this point in time I feel like this is going nowhere fast so if you want I will just graciously bow out now and leave it at that.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 2 Mar, 2010, 9:26am

But yet one must question the matter of fact by what it is that drives the whole scenario the human kind is in right now.

I do presume that somethings are explained at several points in time.

Noted: It is actually possible to ask for past life memories and life skills to be uploaded into you at ones request. However one must ask himself if the memories are actually his 8-)

and are not implanted due to the fact. We are not alone!!!!!!

Such comes in the statement off how far does the white rabbit fall into the hole

. But yet at the same peculiar time you could just follow him to find out

.

I do presume that if one states the fact of matrix in the scenario of awakening and ascending by breaking the flow and the same old passive routine of lies fed sense birth. One would have to take the right pill to see the truth and break free from the lies.

But at the same time what is it truly that drives us to find out our true center of peace and paradise, yet some how have a Utopia of our own.

Yet you still have to remember that there are somethings that limit us. We must though see past the limits and realize the true importance of ones self.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 2 Mar, 2010, 10:15am

1 Mar, 2010, 5:14pm, fore wrote:

1 Mar, 2010, 4:23pm, shadowninja wrote:

Do you have energy recognition on any level at all???

Curious, so you have minimized some of your abilities below mine [limited although they may be]?

I do get connective feedback from certain posters upon simply reading their posts, some of it semi-recognizable. It is also related to the degree of the feedback from the individual, or if I have interacted with them in the past.

The feedback from the current new poster has a degree of familiarity, that is I know it is someone I have read before [perhaps not on this board]... but whom?

However, take this with a grain of salt, it's an untested ability. The writing style is familiar as well... but can't quite place it, Dr House is your primary language Eastern European or Russian based?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 2 Mar, 2010, 12:05pm

2 Mar, 2010, 10:15am, pontificator wrote:

1 Mar, 2010, 5:14pm, fore wrote:

I know several languages to be exact I speak English all the time. I have a some what knowledge of Japanese and that is about it I guess. I do think that to the general issue stated by you, is that my mother has German blood in her and some of it got passed onto me.

I do also have Mongolian blood in me as well and I have a royal back ground dated back to Authors time I presume.

But still checking that fact so need to search a bit more information on that statement and gather more research to compile.

I did live in Russia,China,Japan and America

for quiet some time. So presumably I did pick up a lot of different cultures.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 2 Mar, 2010, 12:28pm

2 Mar, 2010, 3:05am, wildmage wrote:

recognizing that you may have insufficient data to make a proper determination in assigning an entity to the data set currently in your possesion

Okay Okay!

Sorry for being a PITA....

Your right.

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I'll explain myself and why:

Growing up there was a need for me to memorize "what meant what" as a growing psychic. Like a categorized database of sensation I knew what distinguished what.

Demons register psychically in one way while ET and human beings register in another way.

You have seen me talk about it being like a sort of registry that I use to identify variation of the same kind of perceptual sensation.

So I can from that information tell what is what.

As I grew up the defined sets became more and more accurately defined in the psychic sense. Therefore when I learned that ET's could change their "manifested psychic impression" they could not cover it up entirely.

As a result some tiny nuances still stick out and you can figure out that these would be manipulating what they are attempting to falsely project.

The advanced states allow for very high definition perceptions that allow you to figure out what is standing in front of you...and to call BS when appropriate. That and other kinds of tests allow you to figure out various basics.

That is where the realization of psychic equivalents of a mask arose and the realization that many ET's hide their true likeness to appear "more human" in characteristics relative to the experiencer.

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If you don't have a high level of psychic sensitivity, you would easily be fooled by mental projections.

Still, I question the need of collecting data points and not attaching them to an entity....unless you are conducting a specific kind of study.

Otherwise, you would confuse you apples and bananas...so to speak.

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My advice WM, is to simply spend alot more time retuning you post(s) to add more information about what you intend to achieve or at least define certain elements of your thinking and what the purpose might be.

On a regular basis, I have to end up guessing what is the inherent intent.

You have previously stated an intent of obscuring or not defining what it is your thinking about with certain proposed ideas.

Why?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 2 Mar, 2010, 12:49pm

To Fore

With all due respect I want to ask you these questions.
If you are allowed to answer them please do.

1. Why are you so guarded by the Greys

I mean trying to pin you got so much attention on my tail, as if I was covered in honey and they were the bees.

2. To what extent are you able to reactivate right now?? and why did you shut yourself off

?

Prior to the statements and understanding of your post I outlined that there is something peculiar going on. Not sure what exactly but it feels suddenly very strange. Need for an investigation will be followed up.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 2 Mar, 2010, 12:53pm

Prior to the awakened state I do have to say it is quiet an amazing thing to experience. But also can be dangerous due to the fact that you are on the radar 24/7 and everyone wants to see who you are. As far as I could tell the split time of being in the state was about 20-30 seconds.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 2 Mar, 2010, 1:00pm

Something really does not add up here...

2 Mar, 2010, 12:05pm, shadowninja wrote:

2 Mar, 2010, 10:15am, pontificator wrote:

I know several languages to be exact I speak English all the time.

Okay, you know three languages, one of which is English. You primarily speak English.

I have a some what knowledge of Japanese and that is about it I guess.

Now you state you know "some" Japanese, so that is two languages. The third language is not listed, but the qualifier at the end of this sentence says this is the final language.

I do think that to the general issue stated by you, is that my mother has German blood in her and some of it got passed onto me.

Where did I say that???

I do also have Mongolian blood in me as well and I have a royal back ground dated back to Authors time I presume.

Okay, so you have Mongolian ancestry, and possibly ancestry back to a figure of mythology. But it is a presumption, and not based on fact.

But still checking that fact so need to search a bit more information on that statement and gather more research to compile.

You won't be able to confirm it, that information is impossible to acquire due to certain record keeping issues at the time. Which royal background are you related to? [given the indication of Germanic ancestry, it would likely be Germany royalty]

I did live in Russia,China,Japan and America

for quiet some time. So presumably I did pick up a lot of different cultures.

It is odd though, that while you know a couple of languages, that the constructs of your sentences match neither grammar type in terms of either being a primary language.

I can confirm that your primary language teacher was not using English as their native tongue, and that they were not Japanese [due to the nature of the grammar and language mistakes present in the text].

Could you give your educational background so that I can determine if I am warm or cold on those statements?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 2 Mar, 2010, 1:08pm

Education wise I would state my self as a person who is still learning things.

But yet I am aiming for a masters in philosophy which is a real pain in the *** due to the lack of a professional teacher needed in the course.

My English teacher was European I would think that she was French but not really sure how in a 1 000 000 years she was allowed to teach.

Indeed the grammar is a problem but I am trying to patch it up to a certain level.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 2 Mar, 2010, 2:39pm

2 Mar, 2010, 12:49pm, shadowninja wrote:

To Fore

With all due respect I want to ask you these questions.
If you are allowed to answer them please do.

1. Why are you so guarded by the Greys

I mean trying to pin you got so much attention on my tail, as if I was covered in honey and they were the bees.

I was ?coincidentally? thinking on these very subject you brought up just a few hours ago.

The ultimate answer is "I don't know".

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Though if you allow me to speculate some as I did a few hours ago when I was wondering what I should say if that question came up....I'd have to speculate and promote conjecture on the following:

1) I've taken notice for a while that there doesn't seem to appear to be all that many (few?) who actually get these kinds of interactions within the scope of their inherent day to day life.

That is one thing that sticks out as "abnormal".

I have noticed that the average abductee get abducted and checked up on every now and then. But basically it seems to be momentary core experience with a few hours lost with some initial checkups and post-activity checkups.

I may be wrong about this.

Contactees seem to be more involved and closer to what I somewhat experience. They get to see the craft, the people, they interact every now and then.

But with very few exceptions here and there. I haven't seen all that many accounts wherein the ET entities and the contactee stay in semi-constant contact with some form of long term caretaker.

I *have* seen evidence in some accounts of a being assigned as a personal go-between. That would be like my advisor.

But I haven't seen the accounts of frequent on the ground interactions like mine.

So I dunno, I see it as a peculiarity. I had supposed that there would be others like me (and the advisor said there were in hiding) and that I would bump into them quite frequently once I went out on my own to try to understand what was happening to me. (a second opinion)

But I don't see it as prevalent as I hoped it would be.

2) The psychic abilities. I can control them and initiate them on my own. But the ET's have seemingly (with the cooperation of the advisor) devised a system of rules and ethics to inherently limit what takes place and how.

I also noticed they intentionally did not teach me certain types of knowledge which would have (extremely likely) allowed me to engage in active telepathy and attain a wider range of talents that would easily have backed up my claims.

It seems they wanted to go only so far, and no further?

The rules and ethics seems to be tied in directly with how I like to comport myself in relation to others. It prevents me from otherwise acting out without any form of guidelines.

It is deeply discouraged to even act without their overview.

One such example was sharing information that is temporally displaced. (pre-cognition) They never have wanted me to show off when I could have.

It makes me question whether it is inherently wise to "shut off" my abilities if I want to prove my claims in the first place. But there is so much at odds with "turning on" my abilities that fear of various on the ground repercussions is what really keeps me hampered.

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In particular,

I don't want to attract any paranormal entities because they wreak endless havoc on any form of a sustainable lifestyle in my family.

I also don't want them (my ET group) to stick around or re-engage me again in affairs of the ET kind for another period of time simply because I choose to re-acquire my psychic abilities.

They have shown time and time again that they will very eagerly assist me in turning them back on. Even if I reject their assistance and do it on my own, they still will not leave.

It is like we are joined at the hip. The advisor recently stated months ago that if I turn my abilities on back to their previous state that they must intervene per their own rules and guidelines.

She explained that because I was a by-product of their interactions and instruction. They simply couldn't leave me to my own vices. She said as long as I stay below a certain threshold of psychic activity they don't need to monitor me as closely as before.

But if I exceed a certain limit they would have to interject/intervene and control my activity and their outcomes.

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3) The knowledge they imparted is another factor that probably makes them keep tabs on me. What they are "possibly" worried about ::)

is how I use that knowledge.

Now that I understand enough and have various skill sets in my hand on how to do things. I can readily act out against them and several different ET groups.

They gave me enough fundamental knowledge over various topics and know-how of ET implementations that I can willfully go out there and turn some tables by pulling down the drapes around a number of ET charades.

It may not affect mine in particular, but it does affect the activities of other ET groups. And as has been the case, when I first joined the forum, I encountered many kinds of ET's I hadn't ever met before.

They seemed to range from ordinary Greys, to some total Unknowns, to some nordic-like variants to beings who were clearly more advanced than anything I had ever met.

What was surprising is that they all seemed focused and interested in that I not disclose various topics nor initiate these discussion among groups of people in UFOlogy.

I can figure that even the "good ones" have alot of things they don't necessarily want known. I guess it is because the tools themselves covers a very wide range of ET activity.

While a malevolent ET might manage to delude someone using these tools, a benevolent ET might use the same set of tools to assist in communication by relatively minor distortions of perception with an ordinary individual or their own contactee.

It affects a wide range of experiencers. And the various kinds who visited stated one basic intent. They don't need the problems I am going to create if I allude to many things no one needs to know about. Especially not their own Experiencers.

These ET (and probably many others) are ultimately worried about how it affects an individuals mind, a preset cognition of transpired events and situations, a pre-established premise and the views of the overall process.

When it comes down to it, information of a specific nature can gravely affect their operating conditions.

The truth hurts. And while some ET's deceive for negative outcomes. Some benevolent ones deceive to a smaller degree for the ease of the process of communicating.

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That is why my own always inherently threaten me in terms of discrediting.

As long as people assume that I don't know what I am talking about, they are fine.

The ET's have only a limited set of protections built into the individuals they contact. They only have so many tricks up their sleeve to retain confidence in an individual.

Once that fulcrum of control fails, the ET cannot easily undo the revelation of certain pertinent information over their individuals and/or victims.

Read: Once the cat is out of the bag, the repercussions come swiftly and unavoidably.

That is why it was so easy to upset the community around Blossom Goodchild (for example) with several inherent truths the ET did not want people to know or focus on.

The ET reactions were so predictable because they were Grey variants. It ultimately helped me when they behaved openly like Greys. I guess those ET lost their nerve in the face of revealing information that they might prefer never to reach their victims ears.

I wouldn't want to meet them in some dark alley though. They would probably surgically pick me apart.

I wouldn't be surprised if for every 100 that reads this thread that there are 500 more that never read past the front page at the directed pleas and behest of their ET "friends".

The less you know, the stronger an adversary is. The more you know, the weaker an adversary is.

The best thing my group can do is prevent me from doing too much explicit damage by reigning in the depth of the topics and the inherent harm to them and many other ET groups.

Knowledge is power, I guess?

2 Mar, 2010, 12:49pm, shadowninja wrote:

2. To what extent are you able to reactivate right now?? and why did you shut yourself off

Over a number of months to maybe a year, all the way.

As for your question as to why I shut off, simply read above.

2 Mar, 2010, 12:49pm, shadowninja wrote:

Prior to the statements and understanding of your post I outlined that there is something peculiar going on. Not sure what exactly but it feels suddenly very strange. Need for an investigation will be followed up.

What do you mean?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by one on 2 Mar, 2010, 6:36pm

It doesn't take psychic ability to tell who Dr.House is. Although, I did sense it as soon as I saw his name,

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by eric on 2 Mar, 2010, 8:18pm

Maybe you heard right fore.

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.c....lay&thread=7355

It is not a complete stop for all the world but a big step.

Something a foot?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 2 Mar, 2010, 8:34pm

2 Mar, 2010, 6:36pm, one wrote:

It doesn't take psychic ability to tell who Dr.House is. Although, I did sense it as soon as I saw his name,

Interesting that you've only just joined but have already profiled all the members. Impressive. How long have you been lurking, One?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by one on 2 Mar, 2010, 8:37pm

Quite a while, actually.

I also have a thing for profiling. Heh...have you ever seen the show the mentalist? You will see where I'm coming from. I'm not that good, but it is some what of a natural thing to me. I've been doing it my whole life.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 2 Mar, 2010, 8:42pm

No, I haven't seen that show. I don't watch regular TV anymore. I can probably find it on hulu, though, so maybe I'll check it out.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by one on 2 Mar, 2010, 8:46pm

It startled me the likeness of the main character and myself. In three days, I watched the entire two seasons. Here you go: http://thementalist-streaming.blogspot.com/

Has all the episodes there. He tends to mock psychics though and I tend to be more open of such things due to my experiences. But, you will see what I mean...hopefully.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 2 Mar, 2010, 8:59pm

Thanks for the link.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 2 Mar, 2010, 9:54pm

A bit of inherent (and probably inconvenient truth) for some ET pushers who talk about DNA being evolved or changed by meditation or some other nonsense.

http://www.wimp.com/dnacopies/

As you can tell, that would complicate our cellular biology and our general internal-cellular structures immensely if such a thing were true...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by mystiq on 2 Mar, 2010, 10:03pm

@fore: There is a lot of talk about ascension, which basically is the graduation. I myself cannot possibly know if its something that happens here, in the world, or after we get to the afterlife and beyond, into knew lessons and service. But starting the ascension, and frequency has a lot to do with contact, telepathy, psi, and anything you do, any changes you make, even unlocking psi toggles rewrite our dna in real time, as does language, hence affirmations, frequencies.

http://www.articlesbase.com/self-help-articles/language-affects-dna-1471675.html
Language Affects DNA

http://www.rense.com/general62/expl.htm
Russian DNA Discoveries
Explain Human
'Paranormal' Events

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=362&Itemid=30
Groundbreaking Russian DNA Discoveries

http://www.scribd.com/doc/22349583/Russian-Scientists-DNA-and-Language
Russian Scientists - DNA and Language

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_genetica10.htm

'The human DNA is a biological Internet' with evidence that DNA can be 'influenced and reprogrammed by words and frequencies.'

This suggests that 'our DNA is not only responsible for the construction of our body, but also serves as data storage and communication.' The Russian scientists and linguists have found that the genetic code 'follows the same rules as all our human languages.' In effect, human language did not appear coincidentally but is a reflection of our DNA.

The Russian researchers believe that 'Living chromosomes function just like a holographic computer using endogenous DNA laser radiation.' This means that they managed to modulate certain frequency patterns (sound) onto a laser-like ray which influence DNA frequency and thus the genetic information itself. Since the basic structure of DNA-alkaline pairs and language is of the same structure, no DNA decoding is necessary.

One can simply use words and sentences of the human language! This, too, was experimentally proven!' Of course the frequency has to be correct. But for the purposes of this article, the Russian research shows how science now can demonstrate a way to reprogram DNA through language and frequencies.

"Experiencers" who manifest unusual languages, such as Rochelle (see Expressions of ET Contact: A Communication and Healing Blueprint?) call these 'soul languages'. Rochelle vocalizes them when doing energy work and healing. Healing with sound and frequencies takes on a new meaning in this context. It could mean that Rochelle and others like her may well intuitively be able to change or reprogram DNA though such frequencies while healing.

We already know that our subconscious is affected by subliminal frequencies and hypnosis, and the Russian research may have given us a scientific explanation why such techniques work so well. The question is whether the specific frequencies of these languages are designed to affect or reprogram our human DNA? This may well give us grounds for reviewing ancient texts in regards to our origins.

The Russian DNA research article coincidentally mentions the changes in our children in terms of group consciousness.

They comment that,

'if humans with full individuality would regain group consciousness they would have a godlike power to create, alter and shape things on Earth and humanity is collectively moving towards a group consciousness of a new kind.'

They state that,

'fifty percent of children will become a problem as soon as they go to school, since the system lumps everyone together and demands adjustment. But the individuality of today's children is so strong that they refuse this adjustment and resist giving up their idiosyncrasies. . At the same time more and more clairvoyant children are being born. Something in those children is striving more towards group consciousness of a new kind and it can no longer be suppressed.'

Are the Russian researchers in fact referring to what is now called the ADD (attention deficit disorder) child?

Also colors contain frequency, beautiful images, photography. Photographs can almost portal strong eneryg individuals in.

I still thinking breaking out the watercolor sets might be very helpful to many, and even finger painting.

Very tactile, pretty sure getting in tune with your body, and its signals also rewrites dna.

Edit to add: meditation, energy work, light work, the "force", all of this is also frequency, and light is information, intelligence and possibly could be comparative to a language.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 2 Mar, 2010, 10:29pm

Epigenetics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics

I don't necessarily believe in the "triple helix" thing many talk about.

I think it has to do (if at all) with the activation of certain genes which have been dorment. I.E. junk DNA. Or possibly codons (regions of the DNA helix which do not get translated into RNA).

What would be a fascinating if futile study would be to study the DNA of psychics/hindu saints.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 2 Mar, 2010, 11:22pm

2 Mar, 2010, 9:54pm, fore wrote:

A bit of inherent (and probably inconvenient truth) for some ET pushers who talk about DNA being evolved or changed by meditation or some other nonsense.

DNA is quite alterable. By us and by other organisms.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 2 Mar, 2010, 11:23pm

2 Mar, 2010, 10:29pm, dreamoftheiris wrote:

I think it has to do (if at all) with the activation of certain genes which have been dorment. I.E. junk DNA.

Bingo.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by mystiq on 2 Mar, 2010, 11:34pm

Also other things that can change our dna, and counter their nano bots, tailored virus's and all the depleted uranium bonded permanently to our atmosphere, in in our oceans:

smiling, laughing, humor, walks in nature, joy, touch, love, compassion, kind words, gentle words, faith, pushing past blocks or limits, ie. using rusty skills, things we're not really good at, in art, science, languages, matemetics, computer languages, art, poetry, music, exploration, even driving the unknown route and risking getting lost instead of the known route, going to the unfamilar store and not knowing where everything is, sounds of nature, whales and dolphins, birds, generosity, giving....The very act of living, and what we focus on, rewrites our dna in real time and the potential dna that is passed onto the next generation.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by mystiq on 2 Mar, 2010, 11:39pm

Also I have a question. Something that happened during meditation. It pertains to what we're seeing when we close our eyes. What is within us, and without in the field, for example? Normally when you put a dark screen over your eyes in meditation, and close them, the colors you see would relate to inner processes, wouldn't they? Especially 30 minutes into the meditation? So you havn't just imprinted something on your retina?

What does it mean, say 30 minutes into the meditation when you open your eyes, against the black cloth/screen, and still see projected outwards the same inner images. Where are those images located?

In your head, in your eyes, or in the field?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 3 Mar, 2010, 1:06am

Colors you see probably relate to the brain interpreting the contrast between the light it did see and the darkness it sees now.

Basically, it's getting used to the dark and if you kept it on for maybe an hour or so it would fade away.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by mystiq on 3 Mar, 2010, 2:04am

The meditation in particular is looking straight within to see one light starlike area, that spins like a solar system, and its to locate your third eye. The colors don't fade, and I've meditated for several hours in the past. There is always colors, and ringing in the ears, vibrations, etc. I was surprised to see them when I opened my eyes.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 3 Mar, 2010, 3:29pm

Very Interesting!!!

The matter of fact that you have portrayed the exact statement that actually enters the main view of what one is able to see when fully entered the state of pure mind and body. Is actually quite astonishing

the high pitched noise and some pressure also a numbness in the body is a natural process of letting go fully of physical mind and body.

I do presume the proper capability does also apply to some techniques shown in some states. But..... I do think that anything is possible once you let go of this world and enter the next for a small period of time 8-)

. While being able to change the parameters of the matrix coding and nature around us. Allowing one persona to actually take away the phasing used and processed illusion to a specific state.

The pure understanding of the real world!!! leads to vast knowledge processed through the mind of a subject or the man/woman experiencing this phenomena is quite amazing.
Some understanding that most of the dormant DNA and past memories and several other broken links in the mind and biological structure do change. Allowing one to change their physical appearance to a specific form, all depending on what chain of DNA is unlocked.

As stated and known we have at least 12 alien strains in us. So it would result in basically on what DNA you start rebuilding and unlocking first. Thus resulting in how your physical form changes on a cellular and biological level. This can be merely accomplished by entering deeper and deeper, into the pure state of mind and body.

But yes I thought it would hep in a small way to partially explain this state and DNA change. It is a vast and interesting subject to be looking in. How ever!!! the pure share knowledge and state of how the 12 DNA strains were put together is amazingly complicated.

But .... Mystiq could you please stop writing in Green due to the understanding of the color and the back ground. I had to adjust my vision a bit and temper with my sight frequency as well to read what you wrote. I must applaud you on a highly stated work that you have provided and research made. Also to those that have pitched in as well.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 3 Mar, 2010, 3:33pm

2 Mar, 2010, 11:39pm, mystiq wrote:

Also I have a question. Something that happened during meditation. It pertains to what we're seeing when we close our eyes. What is within us, and without in the field, for example? Normally when you put a dark screen over your eyes in meditation, and close them, the colors you see would relate to inner processes, wouldn't they? Especially 30 minutes into the meditation? So you havn't just imprinted something on your retina?

What does it mean, say 30 minutes into the meditation when you open your eyes, against the black cloth/screen, and still see projected outwards the same inner images. Where are those images located?

In your head, in your eyes, or in the field?

I do clearly think and process that what you actually saw is an imprint of your meditation state and the pattern in your field. One must question as to Why that color??? or What it stands for??

But....
It is not that far alarming so do not worry about it.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by livewire on 3 Mar, 2010, 3:50pm

3 Mar, 2010, 2:04am, mystiq wrote:

and ringing in the ears,

When i first heard this sound it scared me to be honest i am still in experimental stages but i know how tinnitus sounds i get it every so often for short periods.
But what i heard was a different frequency and i had the feeling it wasnt been heard by my ears or in my ears its was just there as if my whole brain was hearing it, I saw a black and gray vortex spinning like a black hole I got flashes of light in front of my eyes too open or shut only a few times 3 maybe 4.
I was layed in a pitch black room the noise lasted for around 40 seconds and i was quite worried because i didnt know how to make it stop. but eventually it did.

When i spoke to Pontificator he told me it was my PSI field growing.
it was somthing id never experienced before and to be honest since that time i havent really tried again i didnt like the feeling of not being in control is this a bad thing??.

My origional post in Pontificators PSI Experiment thread.
http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.c....ad=7288&page=21

P.S. I discontinued with that experiment because all the results seemed to be getting mixed up. The results table still isnt correct now all the colours i recieved from others were actually accurate i didnt get any wrong but they havent been noted in the results sheet,so i felt i was wasting my time.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 3 Mar, 2010, 4:55pm

Could you two (mystiq/House) make a new thread to discuss that topic?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 3 Mar, 2010, 5:27pm

3 Mar, 2010, 4:55pm, fore wrote:

Could you two (mystiq/House) make a new thread to discuss that topic?

Oh I am so terribly sorry chap I did not realize we are taking over your thread. Again terribly sorry!!

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 3 Mar, 2010, 5:39pm

Hmm to make a thread about this.

I see why not as long as Mystiq is actually happy about it all. I do presume it could have some interesting results.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by mystiq on 3 Mar, 2010, 7:49pm

@fore:

He quoted me, but I am not in a conversation with him at all. I only added another side to your link about dna and asked a question. Have been sitting back and letting others talk.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by livewire on 3 Mar, 2010, 11:05pm

Discussion is kinda like a map especially on OMF theres a destination you're trying to reach but theres different routes that branch out on the way.

did we take different routes or take a wrong turn??

somtimes its necessary to gather/take information from other subjects as part of collecting necessary Information for the subject in discussion.

sorry it is annoying i know and confusing but it probably wasnt intentional..

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 4 Mar, 2010, 6:15pm

2 Mar, 2010, 11:22pm, dove wrote:

2 Mar, 2010, 9:54pm, fore wrote:

A bit of inherent (and probably inconvenient truth) for some ET pushers who talk about DNA being evolved or changed by meditation or some other nonsense.

DNA is quite alterable. By us and by other organisms.

Not to go on about the subject, but I came across this article today and it reminded me of the discussion.

~~~

Radical New Understanding of Genetic Disease

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl....ic-disease.aspx

Quote:

...Studies in the science of Epigenetics show that genes are by no means 'set in stone' but that they can alter themselves in response to a person's environment.

In short, the DNA and thus the biology of an organism are constantly adjusting themselves to signals from outside the cells, including energetic information arising from thoughts and beliefs...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by mystiq on 4 Mar, 2010, 6:44pm

Yes, the genetics and dna work is incredible. Its alot like a computer language, in a sense its language, and the junk dna could be compared to all the conditions in the brackets, the modifiers, etc.
All things are energy, sound, frequencies, and these are primarily what affects the dna. Since we have so much negative bombardment, particularly with their microwaves, NLP, neurolinguistic programming technologies, designer virus's and also, depleted uranium nano particles, we really need to set conscious intents and envision our dna unlocking advanced and wonderful potentials.

From what I was told, the plan was to create a race of limited slaves, but......those who were forced to do this, using their cosmic dna, had other things in mind, basically, advancing us. I believe this.

This computer lingo brings up the matrix and the coding. I once saw streams of coding in the trees outside, and wonder what is the nature of reality? What is the universe? Our place in it?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by one on 4 Mar, 2010, 7:10pm

I'd almost want to call that a positive hallucination. Which can happen from long, intense peroids of meditation. [And quite easily under hypnosis]

[I'm not saying the effect of the positive hallucination happens right after, it can happen for a long time and eventually expand....until our reality could be something that it's not. We wouldn't know any better cause all our senses can interact with this hallucination.....Brings up to another theory with people waking up and seing things. Often times, if you wake up suddenly parts of your dream can leak into your reality. IE: If you were studying ETs/UFOs, went to bed. [You dont even need to realize you were dreaming about said subject]
Then you wake up suddenly for whatever reason [there are many possible], parts of those images/information you took in, mixed in with some other parts of your subconcious, will leak into reality. That's why when people wake up and they say they see aliens or spirits....they clearly are not. It is just part of there dream and trying to make sense of it, it can last a few minutes. The eyes and the mind don't often conflict well, so they can sort of become merged.]

You are right though, what we know is very limited. As a child, I often had the thought that I was someone elses video game character. My whole life was controlled by an exterior, unseeable force. As I grew up and my family made me grounded I began to think that was silly and impossible. Now, that I'm older....I've opened my mind and realized it could be a possibility among other possibilites...

NOTE*: I'm not saying any one definetly hallucinated a sighting. I just find in my personal experience that this can be an explanation for some of the phenomena and I find the most credible witness are the one's that either:

A) Have a long history of this sort of stuff [Then again, they need to be examined psychologicaly.]

B) Had one profound experience and perhaps data to back it up.

It is only the little ones that don't seem to have much information, or matching relevant information from across the board.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 4 Mar, 2010, 7:58pm

4 Mar, 2010, 6:44pm, mystiq wrote:

This computer lingo brings up the matrix and the coding. I once saw streams of coding in the trees outside, and wonder what is the nature of reality? What is the universe? Our place in it?

That's very interesting...

You really don't want to know what thoughts have run through my mind about our reality (the ones that I've *shoved* to the back), which came ramming back into my head just as I read your post.

4 Mar, 2010, 7:10pm, one wrote:

You are right though, what we know is very limited. As a child, I often had the thought that I was someone elses video game character. My whole life was controlled by an exterior, unseeable force. As I grew up and my family made me grounded I began to think that was silly and impossible. Now, that I'm older....I've opened my mind and realized it could be a possibility among other possibilites...

Yeah...kind of like that. See the Noble Realms link I posted in cgnu's thread about ear ringings (it's 'hiding' in one of my posts; the second one, I think). This whole reality can be likened to a game or entertainment for others, and sometimes it seriously feels like it.

Maybe I'm connecting the dots wrong or missing too many of them to complete the picture. Probably a bit of both, but I can't help but think that this is some kind of computer-generated reality. However it works, it definitely has the feel of being a game sometimes.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by mystiq on 4 Mar, 2010, 10:15pm

The reason depends on who the Creator/Designers are. There is a duality ensuing, but only on the lower levels, from what I understand and this means we have go beyond it. Because even this is a duality of backdrop, more than souls, as progression only happens into light. But, there are very negative beings who have cut themselves off so much from Light and their Love, that they channel energy through the trauma and pain of others. This is something someone I've been questioning on another forum linked to me. He has light and energy in him, and I felt when he had gone on to post, and a telepathic pinging from him afterwards. Though his actual story is possibly one of the scripts he's allowed to talk about, because you probably can't discuss the actual plan without threats and worse. His words I think apply to the way the oversee'ers in this really negative world (where even being spared large traumas is still painful because you can't even bear the memory of being a witness to events that are unthinkable!):
Ray of Harmony through Conflict. He linked me this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_rays I was actuall too annoyed to pursue the link, the idea of lessons is one thing, but here it goes way beyond what should ever be allowed.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by one on 4 Mar, 2010, 11:11pm

For me it comes down to proof. [Analytical mind, speaking] For some reason, I can't explain myself any further then that.

I'm trying to say, everything is a theory till they have proof to state something as a fact. Only, then can I fully accept something. This may block me off to some possibilites, but this is the way I've been wired through experience.

That 7 rays, is an interesting read. Would like to see my applicable uses though.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 4 Mar, 2010, 11:26pm

Cosmic dna?

Do you really know what that means Mystiq? Please elaborate I'm interested.

*edit*

Whoops sorry Fore.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 5 Mar, 2010, 12:19am

4 Mar, 2010, 11:26pm, dreamoftheiris wrote:

Whoops sorry Fore.

Me, too.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 5 Mar, 2010, 1:02am

He must of reactivated his abilities and looked into the future... I'd definitely like to see this DNA topic reach it's conclusion. Shall we start a new thread (if it hasn't been done already)?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 5 Mar, 2010, 2:33pm

Due to the protocols being off I did leave 1 or 2 on just in case. But to the analysis and the results this is producing I would say that all is fine and dusted to the right places. Things are as seem by my group that nothing is wrong and full stabilization is happening.

So how is everyone???

Anything new happening????

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 5 Mar, 2010, 5:30pm

Fore, you mentioned that your group didn't particularly like you talking to Garuda. What sort of topics would you two talk about to cause such unrest?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 5 Mar, 2010, 9:14pm

In particular?

One of them was a topic of the Advisor. He asked me in which direction my eyes moved when I thought of the past with her.

Apparently, they moved in the proper direction as if a memory was being recalled. Though the Grey males did not appreciate the test and they seemingly started reading both of us.

Then they blanked out *any recall* of the advisor. As if they were intent on hiding some fact from probing.

My best guess is that the Males in particular have secrets out in plain sight that maybe a good researcher might be able to uncover or make me take notice of a specific discrepancy. Therefore they react with some measured hostility when anyone appears to be probing too closely.

Garuda is a very nice guy, hes pretty smart, very knowledgeable and straight forward unless he is probing some aspect. (hehe)

I think personally the males seem to be more intent on what kinds of damage Garuda can do in associating closely with me. In other words, I think they feel threatened by his presence.

Personally, I wish we could talk more as I would like to learn more about UFOlogy. (well from a straight shooter anyway)

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If you think about it, there is no way I should have had my recall of the advisor temporarily incapacitated.

It lasted only as long as our conversation went on. I do not feel at all threatened by Garuda at all. But I sometimes wonder what he does think of my experience. He is a type of person who listens more than he talks.

So it is hard to get an idea of his thoughts on a number of subjects. Especially when I am busy rambling.

Let me try to jog my memory as to what else might have elicited the males response in such a manner.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 5 Mar, 2010, 10:32pm

I have low expectations for any questions I present. The question itself is meant to be a somewhat open one, so take pleasure in another opportunity to ramble.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 5 Mar, 2010, 11:58pm

I dunno what else to say.

I guess I could pluck a topic out of my own mind and start on that?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 6 Mar, 2010, 1:30am

I have been confronting the issue of why during certain kinds of telepathy; names and certain types of information types are harder to convey. During last night and the day before it had dawned on me as to why it might be.

Pure speculation and conjecture of course.

I had the epiphany on "what if" using the minds own associative complex is far easier for an ET communicate information that is already pre-existing. I understood over the years that the mind works in a certain way from the various lessons my ET group imparted.

For example, talking about the weather is an easy affair because I already have an understanding of everything that encompases the topic of "weather" and all it relationally applies to in terms of a group of concepts.

I understand the concepts of temperature and conditions . I also understand the basic associations between various concepts relating to the weather.

But if an ET were to give a unique name to a given object such as a cloud (a nonsense example in this case)....but if a telepathic ET were to do that...a name is something entirely different.

In my mind it wouldn't necessarily be something that strictly relates in the same way as a concept.

It is unique in that it doesn't specifically relate to anything in my own mind. It's an original concept. It's probably why an ET slows down and spoon feeds me it by sounds of the words of a name when they impart something new like a name.

For example, when I asked a Grey what the species name was of the advisor, it answered very deliberately and intently. But it was as if the words were being sounded out and felt "forced". As if the words needed to be imparted through a more difficult series of steps.

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Upon thinking of years and years worth of memories I noted something that had been pre-existing but I hadn't paid much mind to it consciously. The need to convey specific items of information that may not be pre-exist as a concept seems harder for them to impart than it would if it were a pre-existing understanding on my part.

It's like the relationships don't exist. So they have to be put together piece by piece as if my brain is learning something being imparted.

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For example, I once asked the advisor to explain some concepts of the lights on a UFO as expressed in a program. She asked me in particular which concepts? I specified I wanted to know how a light works on the exterior of a craft as I thought maybe they had like plane lights.

Automatically she did that idiosyncratic behavior she usually does when she is about to explain something new. Which is namely, she increases her focus and my connection to her mind and begins to relay the information in various components.

It's almost like she is building (at lightning speed) the subsets of information and knowledge that I need to understand first.

Often this leaves me initially confused as the first expressed concept is there, but not as a fully formed associative complex of ideas. It's like she first shoots it past your mind and then slows it down to reiterate every piece slowly again and again until I fully understand.

In basic terms it is like have a spreadsheet full of information but without having the ability to open it in Microsoft Excel because it is written in an incompatible format.

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Depending on the complexity of the topic, she starts of by relaying basic conceptual information and then fills in and refines the understanding behind concepts by aiding me in absorbing the intended sub-concepts and adding relative meanings in the expressions of info.

So in this specific example, she initially shows me a ball of conceptualized gas, but adds in several overlays of information that imparts the complex overall idea of energetic particles.

Then she verbally explains that their craft do not possess fixtures or elements protruding from edges like standard aircraft.

Okay, but what does this energetic gas conceptually mean?

She goes on to explain the idea of plasma and breaks it down into base understandings of energetic concentrations being projected in a complex array of fields surrounding a craft.

Geometrical like concepts fling forth from her consciousness into mine but they are coded in an understanding that I do not necessarily posses. At that time I didn't even really know what plasma was. So I lack the ability to decipher what the imparted information is supposed to signify?

I recalled that she skipped the information subsets of geometric propagation like concepts, complex resonant wave propagation techniques and non-human particle manipulation techniques. She instead imparted the more base concepts of non-filament based lighting.

I think she meant a sort of electromagnetic induction method. But hell, I don't even know what induction is. The next time I see her I'll be sure to ask her to teach me. I only know the nuanced concept that she showed me at the end of the day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_induction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromotive_force

Then she told me that it wasn't necessarily affixed [in a sense] on the craft itself. Okay, I understood that much.

Then she goes back and imparts extra minute concepts as if weaving it into my own understandings and clarifying different expressed concepts a bit at a time until the new information is properly affixed into my own understandings.

I ask a simple followup question: Why do the colors change?

She telepathically verbally explains that the plasma is like a complex electron pump that releases photons among other types of radiation.

She adds secondary layers to the telepathy to increase my evolving understanding of this new set of concepts.

She explains that the colors and brightness are controlled by the internal "artificial intelligence in most craft". They take the pilots instructions and creates the complicated processes of manifesting the correct adjustments and properties.

Cool,

But I ask her wouldn't an ordinary filament system do the job much better?

She explained that the system works in space and under different temperatures and space conditions. Then she expressed secondary concepts of a craft being above what looked like a meteor or some kind of small body in space.

She added information on capabilities built into the system by explaining that they can change and excite the properties in different ways to exhibit X-ray radiation and more through different kinds of methods.

She adds even more information to explain that they can use it in different ways through adjustments and intelligent control to make what looks like ordinary lights on a UFO to produce several kinds of analysis.

She then added that they lights can change in position if they require it to do so as she said it usually wasn't affixed.

She also said they can turn it off and make the craft look completely unlit.

Ok interesting.

Then she goes on further to explain how plasma can be induced to release different types of active radiation.

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I asked her how do they keep from irradiating themselves? She stated they used complex models and understandings to make the emanations directional.

So I asked her how do they keep from hurting themselves when they step outside of a craft?

She patiently explained that when they walk outside of a craft there is a corridor created by the fields surrounding the craft. She throws in little tidbits about how the crafts have different flight and ~energetic output~ modes (deeply paraphrased) that they can inherently cycle a craft into.

They can turn it all off if they need to she added..

I told her in my own way that it seemed really complicated. She stated that it is simpler once you get used to it.

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Then she reminded me of what she has told me countless times.

That if one of these vehicles ever appears nearby, not to walk directly towards it. She said there were different fields surrounding the craft and that some of them are lethal if someone tried to intentionally step into them while they are in the wrong configuration.

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Now through all of this process, she basically used pre-exsting concepts and seemingly applied slow and gradual new concepts to mature the pre-existing ones. (well if you call a few minutes to a few seconds "slow and gradual"??)

But when they try to impart an actual name, I have noticed they always do one of two things in general.

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They apply more psychic influence to make the telepathic link stronger and clearer. And then apply ever increasing amounts of spontaneous telepathic impressions which makes the telepathy uncannily sharp, clear, and sometimes slightly painful.

Or

They seem to project it verbally in my mind and go over it a couple of times again and again until I properly understand the phonetic expression.

It seems that unique names are harder to express (or process) than raw concepts. They seem to require a tighter telepathic influence to impart those kinds of information for some reason.

Also I noticed the same (roughly) happens (but in a slightly different way) for numbers.

Perhaps I have my own limitations or they don't think it necessary to overcome those hurdles? I noticed the more connected you are to them, the clearer names and numbers come through.

Well there you go, I rambled for a bit.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 6 Mar, 2010, 3:15am

Very interesting. A lot of it is useless to me since I'm not psychic, though the learning bit was something worth having in the back of my mind. That is very interesting. If psychic abilities were more common place, that bit would make learning so much more easier for adults.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by nickg on 6 Mar, 2010, 4:08am

Wow, fore, that is incredible. I'm still a bit new to this forum, and the people here, but constantly blown away at the variety of minds and personalities present.
The way you elaborated on that experience, rang crystal clear for me. It really made a lot of sense at how the lighting of the craft was explained to you. I think I would have asked some of the same questions.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by mystiq on 6 Mar, 2010, 5:09am

@fore: really deep account of this. At first saw the coded as compression almost like zip files, then saw it as format structure more akin to avi, or mpeg, or flac and mp3. And just as I finished reading this, feeling almost like something waking up, out of the corner of my eye a white round orb, perhaps 21/2-3 inches angled off and disappeared.

Not sure what that meant.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by meret on 6 Mar, 2010, 5:34am

So fore, when you are given the name of something, do you see it as well?

I ask because I have had experiences where I have wondered out loud the name of a plant , or not out loud,just asked the question in my mind. "Hm I wonder what kind of tree that is?" and then received the name as if I could hear it in my mind and see it spelled. Sometimes it is the latin name. It hasn't happened in several months. When I look it up I find that it is correct.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 6 Mar, 2010, 5:45am

6 Mar, 2010, 5:09am, mystiq wrote:

@fore: really deep account of this. At first saw the coded as compression almost like zip files, then saw it as format structure more akin to avi, or mpeg, or flac and mp3. And just as I finished reading this, feeling almost like something waking up, out of the corner of my eye a white round orb, perhaps 21/2-3 inches angled off and disappeared.

Not sure what that meant.

The coding is just a simple "figurative" expression. It means that by covering various points of reference you can give someone a sort of base foundation for a range of knowledge.

Just like if someone were to discuss metallurgy with you. Even if they are speaking perfect English, it does not mean you'll understand the concepts they touch upon nor the hidden framewor of associated knowledge s that builds up the concepts behind metallurgy.

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Like the advisor said when I was just five years old and I wanted to know about biology and what made me sick. She stated I wouldn't understand even if she explained. And she was right, because I lacked various frames of reference.

She tried anyway just to get me off her case. And even though she showed me one of the first ever mental representations of microscopic biology. It did not mean I understood anything because I didn't understand the fundamentals of what biology was nor how it even basically worked.

Sharing telepathic knowledge is like that. Concepts need to be unraveled in a process in order for that knowledge to propagate.

Of course there are workarounds like "downloads" as experiencers like to call it.

And there are other ways.

P.S. It is one of the reasons why she asked me to learn an extensive number of words even if I did not necessarily know the meaning behind the words.

The Grey males are like a dictionary when they want to be. So is the advisor.

They can teach you along the way by sheer interaction.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by livewire on 6 Mar, 2010, 6:04am

One quick question fore,

Have you been aware of or ever seen colours we dont recognise or not able to visually see??
Ive often wonderd how far the colour chart goes as we obviously have limitations.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by god on 6 Mar, 2010, 6:06am

If you are in need of a new topic, wisdom would be something this one would inquire fore for. Describe for instance the outlook of emotions, life (as an experience), and death in its various philosophical connotations. What are the ET views on nature, regarding the felt moment of immediate experience, and how do they interpret reality--deterministically or what? I wouldn't be surprised if there are no definitions or pre-existing terms to relate them to, but it would be my pleasure to hear from you on this topic. I will do my best to contribute to the discussion. Thanks, Love and Gratitude

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by mystiq on 6 Mar, 2010, 6:07am

fore:

when I was reading it, I felt monitored, and the whole spreadsheet scenario, and the coding in the package, it all felt like it was arrayed digitally. When I saw the orb, I was surprised, and it felt almost like when I felt Deir'dre'a'

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 6 Mar, 2010, 6:07am

6 Mar, 2010, 5:34am, meret wrote:

So fore, when you are given the name of something, do you see it as well?

I don't understand the question? Could you clarify a bit on what you mean to ask?

6 Mar, 2010, 5:34am, meret wrote:

I ask because I have had experiences where I have wondered out loud the name of a plant , or not out loud,just asked the question in my mind. "Hm I wonder what kind of tree that is?" and then received the name as if I could hear it in my mind and see it spelled. Sometimes it is the latin name. It hasn't happened in several months. When I look it up I find that it is correct.

I have only experience such artifacts of conciousness through two related methods.

These methods are two primary alternatives to learning through telepathy in conjunction with another more informed ET.

One is the "download" sessions as experiencers tend to call it.

The other is primarily the Higher Mind in conjunction with the first. (there are other ways)

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By combining both extensive implanting of core knowledge and accessing it via the Higher Mind of an individual. A person can readily appear to be more knowledgeable than they really are.

Basically, an ET ?somehow? connects to you as you sleep, and dumps a ton of information into your higher self. Then when you come out of sleep you do not realize the information is already inside your higher consciousness.

As you increase in psychic abilities the Higher Mind becomes accessible and through it you can access the hidden knowledge that they put in there. Everything from technical information to languages of different regions.

It'll enable individuals to operate with more knowledge than they actually acquired through standard learning techniques during their day to day life.

It is a sort of "knowing" of various kinds of different knowledge bases that is not imaginary but real.

As the individual utilizes the knowledge and accesses it, it becomes recorded into their lower memory. So they don't necessarily need to keep using their higher consciousness to continue to work with certain bits of knowledge.

But some language features need a sustained Higher Mind in order for the information to be translated passively.

I don't expect anyone to understand the last two paragraphs. It is a deeper topic for another day.

If you need more details I can fill you in.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 6 Mar, 2010, 6:14am

6 Mar, 2010, 6:04am, livewire wrote:

One quick question fore,

Have you been aware of or ever seen colours we dont recognise or not able to visually see??
Ive often wonderd how far the colour chart goes as we obviously have limitations.

Since I used to use my higher consciousness as a sort of projector into my lower consciousness I usually would experience some of the information through the interpretations of the lower mind.

For example, carbon monoxide registers psychically in my Higher self as a dark maroon or black color if I want to see a visual overlay of it's presence. (it far more simple a cognitive process than I make it sound)

Sometimes you can also register the rough edge of a persons psychic field around their body. But it typically registers as a colorless representation.

Think about that. A colorless color. Most people probably can't imagine a colorless color. Even white is a color. Black too.

I'll have to think back some to see what other examples come to mind. I was about to call it a night.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by livewire on 6 Mar, 2010, 6:19am

Its just no matter how creative ones mind is you cannot think up an image of a brand new unseen colour but you can see different shades of a known colour. Im just curious because the mind can throw out images and you dont know if its from an outside source or just in the mind.

But if somthing like a brand new colour was suddenly presented then i couldnt see no other explaination as its totally impossible to do.

You'd never be able to share it with anyone because you couldnt explain it and they'd never picture it.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 6 Mar, 2010, 6:19am

6 Mar, 2010, 6:06am, god wrote:

If you are in need of a new topic, wisdom would be something this one would inquire fore for. Describe for instance the outlook of emotions, life (as an experience), and death in its various philosophical connotations. What are the ET views on nature, regarding the felt moment of immediate experience, and how do they interpret reality--deterministically or what? I wouldn't be surprised if there are no definitions or pre-existing terms to relate them to, but it would be my pleasure to hear from you on this topic. I will do my best to contribute to the discussion. Thanks, Love and Gratitude

I'll get back to you very soon. As these questions take quite a bit of memory searching to put forth an accurate depiction.

There are alot of ET's interacting over the years. A number of them think and behave differently. So it'll be hard to cover such a wide range.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 8 Mar, 2010, 9:02am

Hello Fore

I would like to ask somethings if that is ok with you??

1. Was there such a thing as an Angelic War in the past???

This is simply because I had couple memories come back and just thought you might be a good person to ask

2. I have been drawing a couple symbols lately I do not know their meanings. Would you be able to have a look at them and have some sort of idea as to what they are??

3. This might sound just crazy or a bit out of the dark night sky. But by any chance do you have an idea how can one manipulate his or hers biological structure??

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by god on 10 Mar, 2010, 6:46am

That's fine with me, but it would be of greater interest to also have a conversation with you, not only about their views, but in particular what you think of their views.

I hope to have in depth conversations with you, and see what interesting ideas can be shared between us...

Peace, Love and Gratitude

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 10 Mar, 2010, 1:50pm

For all those interested in situational awareness, and updates...

The latest news is that GLP has been hijacked by the military personel, so be careful with impostor-mods if you plan to pay them a visit. I doubt there are any genuine moderators there anymore.

On a side note, I'm still not certain which agency GLP used to belong to, but my bet is still on the NSA. Makes no difference now, though.

Second update is on the state of the U.S. Military Dictatorship.

It's well in the works, and I think they are just waiting for the proper weather conditions to start the campaign. One nuke is still missing, and no one can say where it is. Pay close attention to that one. Council on Foreign Relations has many connections worldwide.

Third update is on the condition of the Internet.

Google has been "interfaced" with the "foreign computer system" (read, a "foreign" AI) for some time. I've noticed the fact only a few weeks ago, but it could have been longer.

GLP has undoubtedly also been "interfaced", through the same U.S. military system, piggybacking on the "foreign" one.

Thus, I can only conclude that the whole U.S. part of the Internet has been hijacked as well. No reason at this point to doubt the "foreign system's" capabilities.

That's it for now.

By the way, what ever happened to that military guy who was poking his nose around here? I'll have to go back and read those conversations.

Stay well, and be ready for that U.S. Military Dictatorship. It's going to spill all over the planet, no doubt about it.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 10 Mar, 2010, 5:30pm

20 Jan, 2010, 11:39am, fore wrote:

She's usually the show off ET who loves to read people or answer their questions. I wonder if she has changed somewhat since I have known her.

It seems you have the same problem I've been faced with lately on GLP forum. The names look the same, but the people behind those names... that's a a completely different matter.

If I remember correctly, you were given a lecture in energy mimicry, but that's just a part of it. Let me give you a second part of the lesson...

Beat the rabbit out of the bush.

You'll never find out who's doing the impersonation of someone you knew, if you don't give them a hell of a job to keep up to.

That shouldn't be a problem for you, though. Just keep up the work you're already doing.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 Mar, 2010, 7:14pm

elendal1

Please remove your post and place it in it's own thread.

My thread is not a dumping ground of way-too-off-topic posts.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 Mar, 2010, 11:00pm

Last night I felt fairly frightened.

In the last 48 hours I had been thinking of making a new thread called something along the lines of "Deeper thoughts". And every-time I do, I feel a measurable apprehension.

Last night it was especially acute and palpable. I felt like I was bathed in the presence of a Grey(s) and that I was somehow being threatened in some manner if I somehow proceed.

I did not hear anything spoken, but an enveloping psychic presence consistent with Grey psychic signature and an incredible unease overcame me for a short time. It may be that I am no longer capable of communicating telepathically. But the apprehension struck me acutely nonetheless.

I just finished watching "The Fourth Kind" last night as well.

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The new thread I am planning has nothing to do with making things easier to understand for non-contactee types.

I intend to express creatively and/or literally various concepts that I know from many years and show case them like a pony. Just to see what reactions they garner both from regular individuals and those not from this neighborhood.

Its more of digging deeper into my contact case than it is about helping people to understand. To go beyond the surface subjects and express thoughts outside the normal envelope and set observations that are common in the field of UFOlogy. Also to question many motives and realities of my own contact case.

In formulating the conceptualization of the thread and the various kinds of posts that might be made....I met, with what I can only call unseen levels of sharp resistance of a Non-verbal nature.

As if the emanations from my group are still present but the higher forms of thought exchanges are no longer functioning inside me anymore.

I am left to wonder what has happened inside me that they are no longer able to communicate through direct means. I can only suppose I have never been this low or disabled in psychic ability.

Even so, I have noticed that I can still control my psychic influence even if it is not working as it should be.

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One of the first topics I would like to address in my new thread was the topic of hybrids and whether they are legitimate aliens or not. There is a steep contradiction of hybrids passing themselves off as bonefide aliens.....when in fact a part of their genetic makeup is partially derived from human beings.

I have been wondering on alot of thing about how great a proportion of nordics are actually the hybrid children that are abducted and nursed to adulthood.

There are alot of deep thoughts I want to cover even though I am not as generally interested in whether or not people can keep up with the sounding board I will use for my own inner thoughts on many subjects. A sort of undiluted unapologetic "insider thoughts" thread.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 11 Mar, 2010, 10:41am

10 Mar, 2010, 7:14pm, fore wrote:

elendal1

Please remove your post and place it in it's own thread.

My thread is not a dumping ground of way-too-off-topic posts.

Oh, it's way, way far from "way-too-off-topic post".

But, let me ask you a simple question? How come you've never learned that all the things I ever said to you were tests? Even these posts of mine that you are (quite mistakenly) calling "way-too-off-topic post" are serving many purposes, only one of which is to test you out.

There's a war raging out there, and I have to know right now whom I can count on, and whom I cannot. Many pigeons will be flying across the sky, changing sides on moment's notice, trying just to survive by playing on any side that promises to win, and I would prefer to know in advance who they are.

On the other hand, if you're testing me as well, that's quite fine, as you certainly should be doing so in every possible manner. But you haven't given enough information in your reply to make me believe that you are doing that.

Your reply had a very basic, ego-driven sense of hurt feelings, and I think that you were simply trying to get even with me for the last things I said before I left. It's quite understandable and forgivable.

However, I can also see that you did listen to my advice, and that that "traynor" guy did not get what he was going after.

If it will make you feel any better (which I'm not sure it will), he was leading you into a trap, and you were just about to say something that you were going to regret for the rest of your life.

You may choose to believe me, or you may choose not to, but I had to do something about it, while at the same time give you the opportunity to act out on your own will. So I did the best thing I could do at the time - dump it all on you, while giving you a fair warning at the same time. It is only fair to admit that I didn't know exactly what I was doing at the time, that is the nature of this war - act first, and think all you want later. There is no time for having doubts when your life is in danger.

But, things have changed now. Everything has been prepared, and no amount of any kind of information is going to change what is going to happen.

So, let me give you another opportunity to act out on your own will, while at the same time giving you another fair warning.

The only thing you ever really had to do to get rid of me was simply, and quite humorously simply at that, to ask me to leave and never come back. Or, in the easier case, you, or any other of the administrators or owners of this site, could have banned me for good.

So, let me give another chance...

Ask me to leave and never come back, and will do exactly as you ask.

After you ask me that, delete my account on this forum, to make sure that I can never come back even if I want to. If you don't delete it, then I will delete it after you ask me to leave.

I will give also you another fair warning in advance - this is not a game. This is the final test you will either pass or fail, and the outcome has absolutely nothing to do with whether you will ask me to leave or not. It has to do with the manner in which you will do what you will do.

Now, you may try to wriggle your way out of the test, by simply ignoring this post, and that will also be taken as your wish for me to leave. Try as you might, there is no way out of this by dumping responsibility onto someone else. Not this time around. You are way past such trickery now.

I told you many times before, and this occasion is no different in any way - you will do what you will do, and there is nothing to be done about that.

What will you do?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 11 Mar, 2010, 12:26pm

At last, a concrete post

I was afraid you were going to be lost in a sea of posts made by what I classify as "nutters"/"The Influenced". Replies inline in orange.

10 Mar, 2010, 11:00pm, fore wrote:

Last night I felt fairly frightened.
Given the things you have described before, that is unusual. Unless, of course, you have regular feelings of fear in many situations? I would not know right now, as its not something you have extensively covered [your feelings and emotions "in progress" as it were.]

In the last 48 hours I had been thinking of making a new thread called something along the lines of "Deeper thoughts". And every-time I do, I feel a measurable apprehension.

Naturally, I wouldn't expect anything less. Its not exactly a topic that anything would want you to speak about, as you can offer insights that most people have no experience in.

Last night it was especially acute and palpable. I felt like I was bathed in the presence of a Grey(s) and that I was somehow being threatened in some manner if I somehow proceed.

So, basically the grey's programming has hit a bit which says: "stop a human from performing several functions by growling and making noise in the following manner". I suspect this is an automatic function, and that it would need orders to do anything further.

I did not hear anything spoken, but an enveloping psychic presence consistent with Grey psychic signature and an incredible unease overcame me for a short time. It may be that I am no longer capable of communicating telepathically. But the apprehension struck me acutely nonetheless.

Emotions are the most basic level PSI ability, and with your training and present structures, it would not take much to activate. Additionally, while the Grey is posturing, it has not actually done anything. They do not need permission to do things, and they would have, so I'd say it is currently harmless.

I just finished watching "The Fourth Kind" last night as well.
Please tell me, was it any good? I have been debating about watching it myself.

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The new thread I am planning has nothing to do with making things easier to understand for non-contactee types.

Excellent!

I intend to express creatively and/or literally various concepts that I know from many years and show case them like a pony. Just to see what reactions they garner both from regular individuals and those not from this neighborhood.

Please, continue, I am intrigued.

Its more of digging deeper into my contact case than it is about helping people to understand. To go beyond the surface subjects and express thoughts outside the normal envelope and set observations that are common in the field of UFOlogy. Also to question many motives and realities of my own contact case.

In formulating the conceptualization of the thread and the various kinds of posts that might be made....I met, with what I can only call unseen levels of sharp resistance of a Non-verbal nature.

As if the emanations from my group are still present but the higher forms of thought exchanges are no longer functioning inside me anymore.

I am left to wonder what has happened inside me that they are no longer able to communicate through direct means. I can only suppose I have never been this low or disabled in psychic ability.

Even so, I have noticed that I can still control my psychic influence even if it is not working as it should be.

I am not surprised, one of my points of reasoning is that no matter how much I bury my head in the sand, I am always there. Its an unavoidable reality of having abilities, and having entities around us with those abilities.

In other words, no matter what you do to run, you can never hide from the reality. It's far, far too late.

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One of the first topics I would like to address in my new thread was the topic of hybrids and whether they are legitimate aliens or not. There is a steep contradiction of hybrids passing themselves off as bonefide aliens.....when in fact a part of their genetic makeup is partially derived from human beings.

I have been wondering on alot of thing about how great a proportion of nordics are actually the hybrid children that are abducted and nursed to adulthood.

There are alot of deep thoughts I want to cover even though I am not as generally interested in whether or not people can keep up with the sounding board I will use for my own inner thoughts on many subjects. A sort of undiluted unapologetic "insider thoughts" thread.
This is powder-keg quality level material, I definitely want to read more.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by sl on 11 Mar, 2010, 1:11pm

@Fore: Sorry for the intrusion.

A new thread sounds like a great idea. Just a few suggestions: use a clearly defined title to attract the people you are looking for, clearly state your intent in the first post, ask people (the ones of no interest to you whatsoever) to refrain from posting on that thread unless they intend to contribute in some substantial way, and if possible, repeat that first post on every new page. My understanding is that you are searching for something or someone, and that purpose might be difficult to determine for anyone new who might stop by.

I watch a lot of movies, so I'm always looking out for movie tips. Did you like The Fourth Kind? I think 14 recommended Ink, it was OK, but I would not rave about it.

@elendal1: I believe Traynor was asking for information, information that had already been made available somewhere on this thread. To which group do you belong, elendal1? If you do not mind me asking.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 11 Mar, 2010, 2:57pm

11 Mar, 2010, 1:11pm, sl wrote:

@elendal1: I believe Traynor was asking for information, information that had already been made available somewhere on this thread. To which group do you belong, elendal1? If you do not mind me asking.

I don't mind.

I am on my own, fighting my own battles, and only those I find worthy fighting. Fortunately, or unfortunately, depends on how you look at it.

It gives me the freedom I need in order to act, but most of the time I can't do anything without help from those who fight the same battles as I do. Luckily, there is always someone out there who chooses the same battles. On the other hand, this approach has some incomparable advantages.

I mean, just look at all the talking fore did, on behalf, and against the Greys, and what it achieved for the Greys. Their enemy, which is also the enemy of the whole humanity, hasn't even flinched, and is even mocking them live on TV. The Greys were once enslaved by the same enemy that is enslaving humanity now, and is still using biological machines built upon the Grey DNA.

Humanity has suffered exactly the same fate, so don't go around telling me how Greys are this or that, when I can tell with exactly the same convictions that humans are the same as well.

The ones that look like Greys, as well as the ones that look like Humans, and which are both torturing humanity, are both just biological machines. They are being pulled by strings held by an alien AI that had been left here long time ago.

And that AI is till ruling over this place, but is now also preparing to put the same chains over the necks of every single man, woman, and child on this planet.

And those machines, those lifeless puppets, are even bragging about it all over the place. They look like humans, they talk like humans, yet they are not humans in any meaningful way. Just look at Stephen Colbert (and his "hello to Greys", with that unmistakable grin on his face) and Glenn Beck.

Those are the two most visible ones, and yet no one sees them for what they really are - AI puppets, not even living beings. A simple model of "charming human", an energy blueprint to be stamped onto human DNA.

I can't even find the words strong enough to describe what kind of unimaginable abomination they truly are.

And while the believability of my rant is rapidly going down the drain (yes, I'm fully aware of the fact, so thank you in advance for pointing it out for me), there is absolutely nothing that humanity can do to stop them. There were countless human civilizations out there that had been played out by this same enemy, times and times over again.

It would always start the same - nuclear weapons, plasma weapons, full-out nuclear war, wiping out what was left of the humanity, and reseeding it again. "Resets" they call it. What a load of crap.

It's genocide, pure and simple. Humanity can't even remember the last 5000 years of its history, so you tell me how many "resets" were really there.

Where do you think all those spirals in pre-historic drawings came from? Imagination? Right, as if.

What do you think the Norway spiral was all about?

Hyperdimensional portals for UFOs? Black holes? Failed Russian missile test? Yeah, in someone's dreams, perhaps.

That was the purest form of directed electron beam, dispersing in the lower atmosphere, only to be absorbed in the ionosphere, in the narrow range of energies.

Where do you thing that blue color came from?

Ever heard that camera sensors have much greater sensitivity than naked eyes? They pick up UV with no problem, and it manifests itself as a bluish haze. Just look at it.

The spiral begins forming as the electron beam energy becomes high enough for the ions in the ionosphere to absorb passing electrons. The ions almost immediately release those electrons in the form of visible light.

The "spiral" is then moved across the sky to test the properties of the beam. Then the beam's energy is increased, until the center is affected first.

Electrons with most energy pass right through the center, and ions start releasing absorbed electrons in the UV light spectrum, so the center of the spiral starts to "disappear". Those electrons which lost some of their energy in collisions with the air molecules in the lower atmosphere are still being absorbed and released as visible light at the edge of the spiral. And so the spiral disappears from the center outwards.

Once the energy level gets high enough, the whole of the spiral "disappears" (in the visible spectrum only), and the utter blackness of the "hole" is caused by the camera's UV filters kicking in, blocking out high energy UV photons coming from that "hole".

That's the basic plasma physics for anyone who is familiar with the subject. Black holes, UFOs, missiles... my a**.

So, again, what was all that about?

It was a directed, continual plasma beam, capable of frying any electronics that passes through it. A damn missile shield, to put it simply.

Wanna know how I know this?

Because Pentagon first put out a ridiculous fake story on GLP (which was confirmed by the GLP staff themselves, believe it or not), and when the truth came out, Pentagon tried to cover it up as best as it could. It didn't work, however.

Other places picked up the story, ATS among them, and one poster found the actual documents from the 90's which were describing that exact induced plasma process in the ionosphere.

Then, when Pentagon couldn't prevent the whole truth from coming out, they did what they usually do. And the truth is tightly connected with their own role in the whole damn mess they are now in, for the Pentagon has sold out the whole human race for some stupid war pearls and trinkets, some completely useless AI technology that will only serve as a slave AI to the already existing alien one.

When they couldn't do anything else, and keep in mind that this is only my guess (but it's a guess based on factual observations, so keep that in mind as well), the Pentagon took over the whole thing.

GLP is now under Pentagon control, and that is not going to change anytime soon, if ever.

So, yes, I'm pissed off, and from this point on, there is no turning back for anyone involved. Everyone has made their choices, and they will suffer the consequences, once and for all.

Here's another quiz question for all of you:

Out of all countries out there, why did they put the whole damn plasma-missile-shield-thing in Norway?

Where is that doomsday seed vault, anyone?

That vault is the only damn thing worth protecting, if you know that the rest of the world is going to be wiped out by (the N-th incarnation of) the full-out nuclear war. History repeats itself, over and over again. Well, not this time, Goddamnit, if I can say and do anything about it.

Want to know what information Pentagon would also not like to see in public? Here's a short quote by memory (with some paraphrasing):

"Did I forget to mention that, besides having the dumbest people around (and the most arrogant sons-of-bitches), the U.S. Air Force also has the greatest number of traitors per square (or, should I say Pentagon) mile?

They almost got away with stealing 6 nukes a couple of years ago, and one is still missing...

Get ready, you folks in the U.S. You may still get your chance to use your "illegal" firearms, that you've been keeping for the black days, on those moving camouflaged targets right across the street.

I don't doubt that us, who will find ourselves in Europe, in the meat of the matters, so to speak, right between the breads of China and Russia on one side, and the U.S. Military Dictatorship on the other, will not be spared our share of bitterness.
[I'm from Serbia, by the way, as everyone probably knows by now]

Who knows, maybe we'll also get the chance to shoot at those same moving camouflaged targets, once they start exporting them overseas...

Oh, damn, I forgot... They are already all over the place. Well, there will certainly be no lack of practice targets once all Hell breaks loose."

I put out plenty of such things out there, and I watched, carefully.

I now know, without a shadow of a doubt, who is on which side. At least, I know it when it comes to the big players. Some of the small ones still seem undecided.

What you need to understand, right now, for there is not much time, and this is the last chance for everyone on this planet, is this.

Earth is a farm, where the main product is specific energy-generating biological life (mostly humans), and the real farmers are not even here. They just left behind a fully automated system (the previously mentioned AI).

They also left behind some guard dogs to protect this system.

These guard dogs I prefer to call "bunnies", since they are hiding below ground, but are not reptilians. They are more like 2.5m tall almost-spitting-image of Darth Maul. There are some differences from the movie's painting of them, but it's mostly correct.

I saw one in a "dream" some 5 years ago, and he had human helpers with him.

I fully sensed the second one only last night. They are extremely good at hiding, and they will present themselves as all kinds of entities and aliens. They got that capability from the AI that is keeping them on a leash, so whoever fore is in contact with right now, it's not anyone he's been in contact with in the past.

Fore should know the difference, and if he doesn't, then he is lost. There is absolutely nothing anyone can do for him. That is one of the points of this ranting of mine. You will undoubtedly recognize others.

Anyway, there was unmistakable signature from the one I sensed last night, and I felt the purest feeling of hatred toward him. The feeling that I know, by knowing myself, to mean only one, and one thing alone.

This time, the battle will last until every single one of them is exterminated. There is no longer a single doubt in my mind about it. Not a single one of them will get out of this alive, even if I have to hunt them down one by one, and even if it takes eternity to do it.

That kind of single-mindedness is the only thing they would be afraid of, if they could even feel anything at all. They are just things now, mere AI extensions in both material and energy form, and they are not even alive anymore. But they still do extreme damage to everyone on this planet, even as simple tools as they are.

The dogs' fate aside, the true owners of this planet, the farmers, have been thinking that they have nothing to fear from. After all, who in this world is capable of beating a fully developed, fully-functional AI?

Most thought, and some still seem to think, that it's utterly impossible to beat such abomination, especially the one which is capable of "remote-viewing" the future.

I am simply not one of them. It is true that the goal approaches the impossible, but impossible is the only realm in which I feel comfortable.

Now, I will ask all of you to answer this simple question.

Who is ever going to believe any part of this story?

Answer the question, and answer it truthfully.

1%?

0.1%?

0.01%?

No one? Yep, that's my thought exactly. The farmers truly have nothing to fear from.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by bewildered on 11 Mar, 2010, 6:19pm

11 Mar, 2010, 2:57pm, elendal1 wrote:

Now, I will ask all of you to answer this simple question.

Who is ever going to believe any part of this story?

Your post contains a disturbing amount of things that ring true. First, you answer the Grey "riddle" for me (that has been bothering me for quite some time now). You do this by pointing out what is going on with the human race (something I know is an undeniable truth).

There's much, much more, but there's no need to go into it here. Well done.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by one on 11 Mar, 2010, 6:39pm

Happiness, excitment sense of adventure.

I see these things from said posts. Does that make you wonder? It should.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by traynor on 11 Mar, 2010, 6:41pm

11 Mar, 2010, 10:41am, elendal1 wrote:

[quote author=fore board=research thread=1953 post=241235 time=1268241267]elendal1

However, I can also see that you did listen to my advice, and that that "traynor" guy did not get what he was going after.

If it will make you feel any better (which I'm not sure it will), he was leading you into a trap, and you were just about to say something that you were going to regret for the rest of your life.

I have no interest whatsoever in "leading anyone into a trap"--fore, or anyone else--and it may be that the misconception arose through inefficient or incomplete understanding of one or more of my previous postings. I think that if you actually read what I have posted, rather than just skimming, that would be clear.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 11 Mar, 2010, 7:31pm

11 Mar, 2010, 10:41am, elendal1 wrote:

10 Mar, 2010, 7:14pm, fore wrote:

elendal1

Please remove your post and place it in it's own thread.

My thread is not a dumping ground of way-too-off-topic posts.

Leave if that is what you want to do Or stay if that is what you want to do.

All I do ask is that you do not "litter".

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As for the rest of your previous post or past PM's, I will say this very kindly.....I simply do not care, Elendal1.

I have no idea what you are rambling about.

I therefore keep my distance at all times with my 100 foot pole. (Only to accurately measure the distance of course

)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 12 Mar, 2010, 8:21am

I believe he is saying the truth and it does ring. Due to the fact that the whole world is blind right now and things must be done to let them see. I believe we need the most help we can get and if this man can do it.

Then sign me up right now!!!

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 12 Mar, 2010, 8:24am

@Elend1le

I wish to discuss more with you are you actually willing to talk in private. Please PM me if you can.

Thank you and for these massages and the vast knowledge you are producing.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 12 Mar, 2010, 10:13am

11 Mar, 2010, 6:41pm, traynor wrote:

Oh, I read you as accurately as possible, and I know who you are working for. That is the only thing that ever interested me about you.

By knowing who you work for, and by knowing how you've been changed, I know all I need to know. You don't interest me the least. You're just another one of the human helpers out there, and when the whole building comes crashing down, you will find yourself under the rubble, together with the rest of your kind.

There is nothing special about you that grants any further attention.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 12 Mar, 2010, 11:06am

and yet... here you are...

I remember one particular facet of the entirety of standard alien procedure was to seed various groups with portions of the apparent truth. People attuned to look for those aspects would gravitate to the apparent accurate source, and then become mislead by the attendant mis-information put out by said entities.

From my current observations this would be true of elendal1's case [no offense intended, just an observation], where there are certain areas which are covered, but also a fair bit of interesting mis-information has been included, which in turn would lead an individual to one of the many collective bodies [society of people]. Once in such a body [collective group] the individual is essentially controlled by the third party [no need to guess who that might be].

Reply 2792 is a fairly old method of ego prodding, I find it rather boring these days as there are much more effective methods. The idea is to essentially get an individual to reply out of a sense of anger, perceived slight, or apparent insignificance. The key to recognizing it as such is the claiming of knowing information, but not saying what it is [a fishing expedition], as it is the very information they seek [this is given away in the very first sentence].

I, for one, will not bother with any further analysis of this information, its rather old hat.

@Fore, have you ever come across a member of a collective that could actually produce something that was not so blatantly obvious? I am remarkably appalled at the standard of control applied by the others {it is so amateur}.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 12 Mar, 2010, 11:25am

11 Mar, 2010, 7:31pm, fore wrote:

[quote author=elendal1 board=research thread=1953 post=241368 time=1268296864]As for the rest of your previous post or past PM's, I will say this very kindly.....I simply do not care, Elendal1.

I have no idea what you are rambling about.

I therefore keep my distance at all times with my 100 foot pole. (Only to accurately measure the distance of course

)

Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.

"I simply do not care" was the worst of all the things you could have said.

The sheer arrogance you are emitting right now can only be the product of one, and one thing alone. You are not what you represent yourself to be.

I can see only a few possibilities here, since you (your user name, to be completely accurate) did give some very useful information in the past.

Now, either:
1. You gave that useful information away with a wish to help the people out there.
In that case you are not who you used to be. That is, you're either not the same person who posted as fore, or you have been changed just like "traynor". Makes no difference to me.

2. You are also another one of those human helpers (as I don't sense anything alien about you), and you've been acting on the orders of that same "future-knowing" abomination of a machine out there.

For those who don't know, such activity is something that is usually done to prevent events just like this one I am stirring all over this place right now. In this case, fore also spoke about it, but that may have been intended to give him the credibility he needed to establish, before the time someone else showed up to talk about it as well.

3. Or... You are simply just one more of those guard dogs, the "demons" down there, and are you much, much better at energy mimicry than I ever expected to see in this place.

Here's another quiz question for everyone out there.

Where do you think the story of red-skinned demons living in Hell, where eternal "fires" of magma flow, comes from?

It is quite possible, "fore", that you are simply that good, as I'm not any kind of all-knowing God, and you may be advanced enough in the craft of deception that you could have fooled me in any number of ways.

As a case in point, I will invite everyone to look for that Avatar fore used some months ago. It was a very specific Avatar, mind you - the one that had none other than Stephen Colbert in it.

That TV puppet is exceptionally good at what he does. He is a true master of manipulation and deception. It took me a whole week to see right through him, and that must be a record of some kind.

If I call some out there lieutenants in the army of the Deceiver, Stephen Colbert is undoubtedly a general in the "Satan's" army.

Don't you also find it interesting that the story goes that "Satan" rules over all the "demons" in "hell"? What could "Satan" be in reality then?

Whatever the case may be, this fore, the one now standing right before me now, and upon which I have taken the liberty to judge, even though the true judge would never use as mild words as I have, is not who he is pretending to be.

Isn't it interesting that he also spoke of this moment way back? The moment when he would be "discredited by the Greys"? It's a strange war that we wage here, isn't it? Whatever one may try to do, the Greys will always get the blame.

Funny, eh, how everything was set up to be perceived in a certain way?

Someone, who knew what he was talking about, commented on the GLP forum before it was taken over by the enemy (through that long arm of the Pentagon) that "this is a game of open poker, but we (the humans) thought we were playing at level 3, while everyone else out there is playing at level 10".

That is one smart guy who said that, and he should be given more credit than he is given right now.

It will be an honor for me to say, "fore", that you are, by far, the most worthy opponent I have ever met, and it will also be an honor for me to bury you myself, personally. And I mean it both metaphorically and literally.

But, I think you already know all of this, don't you? Isn't it a coincidence that we both felt something a couple of nights ago? You felt sheer panic and despair, and I felt this indescribable hate toward the one who payed me a visit. Could it have been that we've possibly met each other?

The fact that you even felt it almost a full day before I got my visit, doesn't help your case at all. That would mean that you have fully activated capabilities which you claim that you do not have.

But don't be too hard on yourself. You've been giving away all the signs a long time before I set you up with my test. While you do have that AI's capability to know something days in advance (which is based on factual observations I've been making over the years), quite fortunately for me, I have access to years.

You never really stood a chance, and your deceptive powers will stand as a monument to your true art of craftiness.

It has been an honor to know you while you were here, but now is time for your kind to be taken to that nice, warm place, where you will be slowly cooked away for all eternity, and you will feel more pain that you ever caused - the true Hell that destroys souls, not the underground magma one described in the stories.

Offer me something, and I will give it back to you tenfold.

That is also something I've been telling your people over the years. And your people are not Greys, or any of those made-up, non-existent aliens out there that we hear so much about. They are the same enemy of all of us. There is no doubt in my mind about you now.

Your arrogance finally gave you away, and there is no turning back, no escape for you in any way.

Even though you've actually tried to pretend to be one of us, even in that last reply of yours, you are definitely not, and whoever sent you here should know that as well. You are not escaping your fate this time around.

It is time for you, and all of your kind, to receive back the gifts that you have given.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 12 Mar, 2010, 11:37am

12 Mar, 2010, 8:24am, shadowninja wrote:

@Elend1le

I wish to discuss more with you are you actually willing to talk in private. Please PM me if you can.

Thank you and for these massages and the vast knowledge you are producing.

There is no need for PMs. Everything that is worth saying has already been said.

Just remember something I also said on GLP some months ago.

If you ever see a "demon", and trust me, you'll have no problem recognizing one if you do, kill it immediately. It will save you from a lot of grief in the future.

I meant it literally, because one of the things that I also saw, but which hasn't happened yet, is that there will come a time when those "demons" will come up to the surface, and everyone will see what has been hidden down there for such a long time... if those fuc*-ups at Pentagon don't fuc* it all up, that is, with that next war of theirs they are planning now.

My only advice is that if you get a chance to take down a "demon", you don't hesitate for a moment. If you do hesitate, you are as good as dead yourself.

Apart from that, there is nothing else to be done right now... unless that U.S. Military Dictatorship comes first, in which case you won't need anyone to tell you what to do. You'll just do it by instinct.

Stay well, and keep those guns in top shape.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 12 Mar, 2010, 12:23pm

12 Mar, 2010, 11:37am, elendal1 wrote:

12 Mar, 2010, 8:24am, shadowninja wrote:

@Elend1le

I wish to discuss more with you are you actually willing to talk in private. Please PM me if you can.

Thank you and for these massages and the vast knowledge you are producing.

Demons I mean how did you honestly know????

I was attacked once by 2 or 3 of them and it was a very deadly fight, I manged to take down 2 but the other ran away.

No I did not hesitate I used an angelic blade and sliced one of their dam heads off and blew the other one to bits. The third one got away but I guess he was not too much of a problem. Some one wanted me dead so they got these dam demons on me. I hate it when assassins are sent towards me.

I do believe there is much happening and I need to figure somethings out.

Elend1le if it is not too much of a problem.

May I know your rank and name.

I am Commander Emorieze.

But for now I am located in a giant room and chained up ,also being kept a close eye on by the guards that watch me 24/7.

I do believe that gave you enough of a hint who I am.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 12 Mar, 2010, 12:30pm

@Elend1e

Guns no i prefer a different type of weapon I would say elemental manipulation would do the trick. Yes indeed the instinct will kick in once things all go down to hell in this world. I do love it how everything is made of energy and frequency. As specially the bright glow things give off or the walls bending.

But I do believe many can do this and that if this do go down the way of advanced weapons,blockades and other sorts of stuff by the military. I think a task force would be in order to act as the protectors of the people and bring down the military forces.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 12 Mar, 2010, 1:16pm

*nods away* Nothing like a few accusations thrown here and there... classic stuff really, with a fair degree of ignorance thrown into the mix. Had Elendal1 actually read the thread he would have been aware that Fore, while deliberately turning off his abilities, cannot turn off absolutely everything once it is there.

Essentially, once you have grown an extra arm, you can stop using it, but it does not mean that it is not there. Additionally, talks about full activation... well, everything he describes is rather low level, and for some reason he seems unable to grasp that a third party entity might decide it wants to visit him the next day. Well, here he throws in a classic "oh it must be Fore" justification, with the idea of a massive shift in the time-scale to justify his argument...

Remember, a third party entity does what it wants to do, including frightening an individual with lowered PSI [well, it could do that to anyone ]. It could do it to me, and my PSI is very low level.

Now, why would this individual be visited the next day? I suspect it is quite simple, and that he was contacted by the same entity that contacted Fore. It would be simple to unleash this... interesting individual on this path [I'd do it if I was evil...]

I think I might follow this further, he is quite entertaining.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by hazuka on 12 Mar, 2010, 1:59pm

elendal1, what is your screen name on glp ? (or user id if you are not registered)

you talk at least two time about human helper as if you are not one of them, so what are you ?

btw, you should probably open your on thread rather than continuing on this one

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 12 Mar, 2010, 2:38pm

12 Mar, 2010, 1:16pm, pontificator wrote:

*nods away* Nothing like a few accusations thrown here and there... classic stuff really, with a fair degree of ignorance thrown into the mix. Had Elendal1 actually read the thread he would have been aware that Fore, while deliberately turning off his abilities, cannot turn off absolutely everything once it is there.

Essentially, once you have grown an extra arm, you can stop using it, but it does not mean that it is not there. Additionally, talks about full activation... well, everything he describes is rather low level, and for some reason he seems unable to grasp that a third party entity might decide it wants to visit him the next day. Well, here he throws in a classic "oh it must be Fore" justification, with the idea of a massive shift in the time-scale to justify his argument...

Remember, a third party entity does what it wants to do, including frightening an individual with lowered PSI [well, it could do that to anyone ]. It could do it to me, and my PSI is very low level.

Now, why would this individual be visited the next day? I suspect it is quite simple, and that he was contacted by the same entity that contacted Fore. It would be simple to unleash this... interesting individual on this path [I'd do it if I was evil...]

I think I might follow this further, he is quite entertaining.

Well I can not blame Ele it is due to the fact that Fore is surrounded by Greys and they are not particularly the nice giving out cookies and treats type. More of strict control and rules type .I presume I would really love to study a Grey and hang out with one some time. It could be very well educational due to the point that they are us. Well the real Greys not the mechanical AI controlled Greys

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 12 Mar, 2010, 3:53pm

Fore~

I think I asked you one time if your grey contacts were the bioengineered/AI type or not and you said you thought they were. Are you still of that opinion?

Can you list all of the characteristics that you see in them that would have you consider them AI?

Have you come across these other taller greys that are apparently not robotic?

What of the new ones that took over your case? Are they purely biological in nature?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by livewire on 12 Mar, 2010, 5:48pm

10 Mar, 2010, 11:00pm, fore wrote:

Last night I felt fairly frightened.

In the last 48 hours I had been thinking of making a new thread called something along the lines of "Deeper thoughts". And every-time I do, I feel a measurable apprehension.

Last night it was especially acute and palpable. I felt like I was bathed in the presence of a Grey(s) and that I was somehow being threatened in some manner if I somehow proceed.

I did not hear anything spoken, but an enveloping psychic presence consistent with Grey psychic signature and an incredible unease overcame me for a short time. It may be that I am no longer capable of communicating telepathically. But the apprehension struck me acutely nonetheless.

I just finished watching "The Fourth Kind" last night as well.

==============================================

I say challenge it and carry on regardless see what happens.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 12 Mar, 2010, 7:19pm

I feel very odd guys :-/

As if energetic and yet sick a bit, I feel things and it is odd. I am getting a headache and things are looking very bright like not normal bright. I am not sure but I think I am seeing frequencies.

But....

Something is very odd as if when I take a breath the air it self is feeling different. I do wonder what is happening to me and what is this I am going through right now.

Is this awakening???

Maybe it is a simple set I am not sure, everything just looks so different the air feels different, the body and the things around me.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by traynor on 12 Mar, 2010, 7:36pm

12 Mar, 2010, 10:13am, elendal1 wrote:

11 Mar, 2010, 6:41pm, traynor wrote:

It is an unfortunate fact of life that simply saying a thing does not in any way make it true. While totally unsubstantiated statements like "I know who you work for" may sound impressive to you, they just seem silly to me. Specifically, you know virtually nothing about me. Therefore, to make statements about "who I work for" are either seriously misguided, intentionally misleading, or simplistic attempts to convey the impression that you are somehow privy to "secret knowledge."

It looks like a pretty basic attempt to attract attention by someone who would otherwise be totally ignored as irrelevant.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 12 Mar, 2010, 7:37pm

Pop a question to Fore and I find myself in a spat with a friend of mine IRL and a friend of hers (whom I'm unfamiliar with) a moment later, and it surfaced just before the question was given (if I did my conversions right). I don't usually have conflict with friends or even acquaintances, and I see this one to be a long, drawn out one. This is especially interesting and odd because it is taking place on Facebook. It may not be related, but it sure is something that piques my attention and will be remembered for quite some time.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 12 Mar, 2010, 7:51pm

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Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 12 Mar, 2010, 11:52pm

12 Mar, 2010, 7:36pm, traynor wrote:

12 Mar, 2010, 10:13am, elendal1 wrote:

Ditto.

I am not even "moved enough" to offer a response.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 13 Mar, 2010, 9:52am

12 Mar, 2010, 7:51pm, dove wrote:

Hahaha thanks Dove for the cheering up indeed this is like a giant interesting tv show

Hmm OMF needs to have more emoticons :-/

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 13 Mar, 2010, 3:10pm

13 Mar, 2010, 9:52am, shadowninja wrote:

12 Mar, 2010, 7:51pm, dove wrote:

Hahaha thanks Dove for the cheering up indeed this is like a giant interesting tv show

Hmm OMF needs to have more emoticons :-/

We're thinking the same.

And I always mean what I say, even though I sometimes wrap it all around. Wrapping it around makes the surprise factor so much more effective.

But the show is much bigger than you think.

So, folks, as I don't know how long this will stay out there, grab the seats while it's still hot and open:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1011917/pg2

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 13 Mar, 2010, 4:43pm

13 Mar, 2010, 3:10pm, elendal1 wrote:

13 Mar, 2010, 9:52am, shadowninja wrote:

Hahaha thanks Dove for the cheering up indeed this is like a giant interesting tv show

Hmm OMF needs to have more emoticons :-/

We're thinking the same.

And I always mean what I say, even though I sometimes wrap it all around. Wrapping it around makes the surprise factor so much more effective.

@Ele

I already know about the show my good friend.

I am the guy that blew up the planet during the angelic wars. So now I am locked in a giant grand hall. With chains bounding me in place and celestial magic placed on them. Monitored by 20 guards under a strict watch.

I question my self who am I truly????

But....

They do not tell me of who I am truly or why I am bound in those chains. I know limited things about my past and more and more I look deeper within. The more I wish to remember, the more I want to forget. Yet... At the same time I need to remember and figure out who I am.

At times I wish I was told the full truth by them.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 13 Mar, 2010, 8:34pm

I dunno who you guys are, but this conversation belongs in another thread.

Take it elsewhere as you guys elucidate on unrelated matters to this thread.

The next time will be an official moderator warning and a subsequent suspension. I've been pretty nice by merely asking, but please don't push it.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 15 Mar, 2010, 12:39am

Sorry; the popcorn post was my way of saying I was just sitting back and watching; it wasn't meant to encourage anyone.

Can you answer the questions I asked you on the previous page, or no? I thought you could since you're not restrained from that now.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 15 Mar, 2010, 10:44am

13 Mar, 2010, 4:43pm, shadowninja wrote:

You've made me laugh, and that statement of mine is not wrapped in any way.

No wonder I like you so much.

I was going to say something about you in my last post, but I decided to leave it alone, for the fear of drawing too much attention to you. I'm the main bait on the menu out there, Goddamnit, and I won't let anyone take that work from me!

Just his morning I was thinking about saying something more about you, how you're definitely not human either, but you're also definitely not one us. I remembered a guy I met over at ATS a couple of years back, who reminds me of you.

And you beat me right to it with your post.

He was one strange fellow, indeed, that guy at ATS, and I couldn't classify him in any way. I can tell you that I've had tons of experiences, all over the place, most of which I don't even remember. But the feelings are there. The strings of certain emotions get stroke when I encounter something, or someone, I'd already encountered in the past.

Well, this guy was a complete mystery to me. He was into meditation and that stuff. You know, silencing the mind chatter, finding the peace within oneself, trying (almost desperately, was my impression of him), to remember where he came from.

At some point we went from the public chats to private ones, and I gave him a couple of tests... if you know what I mean.

I warned him in advance that tests would be very harsh, but that to the best of my understanding of him, he was quite capable of sustaining them.

And so, I used his meditations against him, in a manner he never expected.

What he told me prior to my test, was the he used to conjure up all kinds of enemies in those meditations, and then he would slay them all down. I don't know if he picked it from some place, or if he came up with the idea by himself, but that's what he did in those meditations. He explained it as "destroying the negative aspects of his mind".

So I took what he told me, and I attacked him like you wouldn't believe.

I sharply pointed out to him that he was all into peace, love and understanding, and at the same time, he was mercilessly butchering innocent people in his meditations. He may have truly believed that he was conjuring them all up, and that they were all just products of his own mind, but there was simply no way in the world that he could possibly know for sure.

I told him that he may have already killed countless numbers of living beings out there, and that he was just justifying his acts to himself as "destroying the negative aspects of his mind". I pointed out that he may have actually been severing, maiming, and beheading something that was completely independent of him, something that had actually been alive just moments before he killed it without any feelings of remorse.

Let me tell you...

he took it very stoically. He commented that I'm a strange fellow myself, but that he liked me, and that I had given him a lot to think about.

He's a cheerful fellow, so I knew he was half-jesting when he said it, but I also knew that would certainly think it over, just like he said it. He then told me parts of his own history, the ones that he did remember.

I think this will interest you, since you so much remind me of him.

This doesn't mean that you are coming from the same place he does, but you may have had more misfortune that he had, and you simply got caught before you had any chance to fully remember yourself.

He told me that the last thing he remembered, before arriving to this place, was a hall of some kind. There were several entities in the hall. They were something like elders, spiritual teachers, something to that effect.

He approached them, and he asked them to be sent here, to the Earth, as he wanted to understand what it was all about. He remembered that there had been plenty of talking among them out there, where ever it may be, about this specific place and time. Something about these years prior to 2012, but nothing that he ever saw in his time that he spent here, even though he searched far and wide to learn what it's really all about.

He just couldn't remember anymore.

What he could remember was that that group of elders (let's call them that from now on) looked at him with complete surprise. They also looked at each other with same surprise. They just couldn't understand why he would ever want to experience anything like what is going on here. They were all into the peace of mind stuff, completely complacent with their lives, with their whole existence, and they simply couldn't understand it.

They warned him in advance that if he was absolutely certain that he wanted to come here, they would have to completely erase all his memories of the place he was coming from. He wouldn't be allowed to remember anything, not a single thing.

I can tell you that, by everything I can see going on in here right now, I'm not at least surprised with their words.

Anyway, he told them that he was absolutely certain, and that they should do what they had to do in order to send him here. And so they did.

They performed some kind of psychic manipulation on him, and the next thing that he remembers was that the was just out there, floating in nothingness, without any form or thought. He had completely forgotten everything he had ever known.

The next thing, he's born here, and he's lived his life like any other ordinary man. Except, he could never remember something that felt buried very deep inside his mind. As Morpheus would say, "like a splinter at the back of his mind" it bothered him to no end.

And so he ended up with that meditation stuff he was practicing when we met at ATS.

...

It's an interesting story, don't you think? It certainly explained a lot of things to me, and I truly hope it will do the same for you.

Hmmm....

Want to know something funny? As I was typing all of this, I've just remembered that we, you and me, may have actually met before, also at ATS!

Are you the same guy who spoke of his imprisonment back there, way back then? Yeah, I'm pretty sure you are, aren't you?

You had used almost exactly the same words you've used in your post here! Eh, those strange, strange consistent time-like curves... one never knows when they'll connect back.

OK, big boy

, I have a task for you.

You are going to get out of that god-forsaken prison of yours, with all the help you need, which you will receive without any reservations, and you are going to come back here to remind me to do what I have to do.

Once you get back your true self from these chikensh*t horned as*holes, getting back here should be like a child's play with pesky ants. They can bite, but you can crush, and crush you will. We can certainly use every bit of help out there, and you most definitely qualify for the task.

...

Now, you will have to excuse me, while I chop and slice some more red meat, and take the bull by the horns.

[
NOTE:
Can someone, please, turn that "civility filter" off. I'm trying to make some points here, and that filter keeps messing with my carefully selected phrasing. I can't even say as*hole without it being turned into some rosy-silky-handkerchief stuff.

]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 15 Mar, 2010, 11:17am

*red flashing lights go off**metallic voice*"warning, thread off course, thread off course, immediate corrective action required".

@Fore, I think you may be being a bit too gentle with this lot.

@q, ahhh, you noticed

@Fore again, any chance we could see a re-interpretation of the question lists in a no-holds barred way in your deepest thoughts thread? I think we are all waiting for more than just the preamble

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 15 Mar, 2010, 12:58pm

12 Mar, 2010, 11:52pm, fore wrote:

12 Mar, 2010, 7:36pm, traynor wrote:

Ditto.

I am not even "moved enough" to offer a response.

So, now... speaking of some slicing and chopping...

Everyone ready, and comfortably placed in their seats? If I have to shout for the back rows to hear me, just gimme a yell, and I'll step it up. OK?

Let's start with this fellow here. "Fore" he said his name was.

The story goes that he used to be a nice boy, his momma liked him very much, and he had all the love in the world.

But then, something happened.

He turned wild. He would go out in the middle of the night with those strange people he met in the streets, and he would party in the shadiest and darkest corners in the world like there was no tomorrow.

Maybe he knew that there was no tomorrow for him, that the new day would never dawn (anyone recognizes this?), and that these last few hours, here on this magnificent planet Earth, would be the last hours he would ever experience.

His strange companions certainly knew it, as they had all made silent commitments to each other to party as wildly as possible. To fill their cups, with all the worldly pleasures, as much as they could, for as long as they could. They couldn't do anything to change their fate, for you see, their fate had already been sealed away, even before they'd started hanging out together.

But, nothing in this world comes for free, and all the wild stuff they did simply had to come from somewhere. It had to be taken from someone else, someone who couldn't defend themselves, for they had neither the weapons to help them along, nor friends to rely on.

The weak were weak because they were all kept separate from each other, and that had been done on purpose.

The weak were all set up to be mugged by those partying people, while they walked though those dark alleys of this world, with not a single light pole in sight.

For, you see, all the light poles had already been cut down, stolen, and sold to scrap by those same partying folks, years before.

It always looked like accidental acts of vandalism and youthful mischief to the authorities, since no one saw anything, and those who did see were just too afraid to talk about it for the fear of ending much worse than just being robbed in the middle of the night. They were happy, as much as anyone can be in their situation, to pay the muggers their due, and just be left alone.

And so, and quite sorrowfully when you look at it, everyone but the police knew what was going on, and no one dared say a word. Everyone but the honest police, that is, for even the police themselves were mostly bought out by a cut on the light pole business. They didn't want to know where the dough came from, but they knew, somewhere deep down in their minds, they all knew. And they didn't want to be bothered by it, 'cause they also knew it was a too dangerous, too well-organized business to be bothered with.

There was some talk in the streets, pure rumors, but terrible rumors they were, oh so terrible, that the parties were organized by someone in the town. Someone very powerful, someone hidden in the dark so deep that not even a darkest alley in town, right around the time when the town's clock tower would lap its hands one over another, which is really the time when the night is at its darkest hour, would describe the true horror of it.

No one has actually seen this person, but they all knew he was there, somewhere.

Those who would bring liquor, drugs, and babes to the party would speak of some strange fellows, out there, luring in the dark, jumping them all out right before they would approach the place.

Some of those fellows liked to brag around, to show how important they were, and they would let a word out, just a single word now and then, nothing significant, that there were people in business suits, carrying briefcases, coming around the place from time to time to check on the business.

They would also spill out that, just once in thousand years or so, there would be a very special special party. Everyone knew what it meant, but no one dared say it out loud.

That was a party that the man himself, the boss, would attend personally. Some claimed they were actually there, the last time around, when the boss was there, but no one really believed them. They were known as local nuts, cracks, and whackos, and no one wanted to be associated with them. No one wanted to be perceived as a party-breaker, either, especially not at the time this special party was supposed to be held.

For, you see, there were other rumors spreading around the town. The rumors that this was instead going to be that last party for them all. That either the boss would take care of the problem, so that everyone had nothing to worry about, or that the boss himself was going to be killed in an ambush, right in front of the entrance doors.

No one truly knew where these strange rumors came from, or even who was circulating them around. It was punishable by death to speak them out in a group, and no one dared ask the boss himself. Even taking a glimpse of the boss by any of the lowlifes was punishable by fate much worse than death. So they confided into each others, just two at the time, whispering behind closed doors, and down in the shadows of those night alleys, by the still gasping holes where those light lamps had stood once long before.

Some of them even picked their places of meeting right next to the one, but not more there anymore, very same light lamp post that they themselves had cut down. It was the place that gave them at least some feeling of comfort.

Just standing there, at that same spot they had visited so many years before, reminded them of the good old days they all had had. It was a relief of the purest kind for them, but the one they would never feel again... and they all sensed it.

No one would admit it. No, not even to themselves. But still, there it was. That feeling. That strange and never before felt sensation, clawing its way up, desperately trying to find its way to the surface of their minds.

It was something that they had never felt before, strange, haunting, unrecognizable, a feeling so distant that even in the short moments when they could remember it, they didn't want to... they just couldn't...

They just couldn't. It was too terrifying to even think about it, and to feel it was so much more... so much more... it was unimaginable. They knew that they could drown it with their cupfuls of pleasures, and so they did.

It was a simple, yet so strange, so unknown, but still that simple feeling of fear. Not even a panicked fear, no, it wasn't that. It was just that simple, common fear. But it was completely unknown to them. They've never felt it before, and they wouldn't... they couldn't feel it now.

The boss was going to take care of it. They all knew it... The boss... Yes... He had never failed them before, and he won't fail them now.

"Damn it, and may it all go to hell, but the boss will take care of it!"

That was what they were all thinking to themselves, now too afraid to even express their fears to each other. The fear has driven its fangs deep through their hearts, but they were still not afraid of anything. They just knew the boss would take care of it. The boss will take all of their fears away... those fears that they didn't feel...

...

...

...

Do you like it?

It was just another way of telling the same story, but I find it effective to repeat some of the things in as many ways as possible.

I've learned that the stories of horror and despair have some very peculiar properties when it comes to people. Humans are particularly susceptible to them, and trust me, the pictures I've just painted in their minds will stay with them for quite a long time...

... or they will find that it will be themselves who will be partying all through the nights, in the next story they will take part in. But such talks are premature, and let's leave them aside for now.

On that other hand, horned as*holes and their servants tend to behave exactly as I've described above, and just one more insignificant story will not even place a dent in their armor. So I really have nothing to worry about coming from that direction either. I am going to explain what I mean in just a minute, so don't go away yet.

And, on the third hand (if you have one

), those who came here just to watch the show will find it amusing and funny. And since I like to amuse my audiences, we're both gaining from the experience.

...

Now for that explanation I've promised.

...

Here's a question for everyone.

How many of you have noticed that "fore" gave an explicit order to traynor?

Raise your hands, please, all of you who have? Someone? Anyone? No?

Well, let's go through the same script again.

Scene 1, Act 1 (some months ago): I accuse traynor of being a military person sent here to do a specific job.

Scene 1, Act 2: I leave "fore" with a mixed message of trying to blame him for something, and at the same time protecting him from something else. The props are left in place to be used in the future scenes.

Scene 2, Act 1: I come back to the scene, knowing fully well that traynor is a military person, and who he is working for, and I know that "fore" must know that as well, since he is so... informed... about everything. So there's not a chance in the world that he can miss something as obvious as that.

Scene 2, Act 2: I give "fore" every possible chance to explain himself and his actions, while again accusing traynor that he is a military person... which, by the way, he is. They really smell from a mile away, and anyone who's smelled them before can easily recognize them from afar.

Scene 2, Act 3: Fore fails to explain himself, and completely gives away himself in the manner I've already described before, so we'll skip another unnecessary explanation here.

However... and this is a truly important however, "fore" also displays one rather peculiar personality trait, which I'm familiar with, and which has been obvious about him for quite some time.

What could it possibly be?

Alright...

All of you from the counter-intelligence community, please raise your hands.

Come, come, don't be shy.

You're the ones who can recognize it with no problem.

Ah, you're no sports.

Please, don't raise your hands. I don't want to get you into any kind of trouble, and I'm just kidding with you here.

Anyway, for those who don't know what I mean, counter-intelligence personnel (regardless of the gender, race, or color) tend to all clamp up when they encounter something they can't recognize. They stop giving any, and I truly mean any kind of information away, until they can figure out who-the-hell they're dealing with.

"Fore" is definitely no exception in that regard, which is something I find quite interesting.

But this whole business becomes so much more interesting when I combine that recognizable counter-intelligence mentality with "fore's" exceptionally developed ability of energy-mimicry.

I can't get a thing out of him, and I find it extremely interesting.

The conclusion, there-fore (forgive my pun) is - not human. No human that I've ever met, and neither most of the others out there, have anything close to that kind of ability.

And, so we come to the...

Scene 2, Act 4 (hey, it's a 4-four-fore, get the joke?

): Traynor blurts out a tirade that he doesn't know he shouldn't be blurting at this point.

To be perfectly clear here, traynor has absolutely no counter-intelligence training whatsoever, and he doesn't know how to behave himself in the situations like this... unlike "fore".

Traynor has simple, though very strict military training (with some "augmentations"), and the reason he has it will become obvious in a moment. So, again, don't go away yet.

So...

There we have traynor all over the place, with his disclaimers and denials, when he should be keeping his mouth tightly shut. Too bad no one's given him the training he needs for the job he does, but hey - sh*t happens, right?

Scene 2, Act 5 (as in post-4-fore, or fore-death of "fore"?

): "Fore" recognizes the blunt traynor has just made, and he sees that traynor is going to blurt out so much more if I keep pushing him hard enough, so he makes a firm decision to act at this point.

He also has to explain himself, in any way possible now, so he does the only thing he can do - he gives traynor a direct order of "not moved enough to respond".

Roughly translated, the order is "sit!", or "steady now, boy!", depending on how one looks at it.

In simpler terms, traynor is (or maybe now it's "was") "fore's" guardian dog.

Everyone can see the chain of logic here?

And don't raise your hands, please, for it took plenty of hard work to "beat this rabbit out of the bush", with most of the work done in ways you don't have access to, so I don't want anyone to feel ashamed of themselves right now. Some have done exceptionally well, some have been more-or-less failures, but all in all, you've all done a great job so far.

So, finally...

Epilogue: The curtains are slowly falling down, as this show is coming to its natural end, but don't be disappointed yet, as...

The fireworks is just about to start outside!

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 15 Mar, 2010, 12:59pm

Damn it, a double post. Sorry about that.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 15 Mar, 2010, 6:43pm

15 Mar, 2010, 12:59pm, elendal1 wrote:

Damn it, a double post. Sorry about that.

Me and you got to talk immediately on msn or what ever suits best.

This is VERY VERY URGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also I am not the same guy mate I been recalled and remembered so much much more. So I am a completely different person. Lets simply say they wiped my memories again and it was not pretty this time. They damaged my memory well the human one and it is one hell of a time remembering things for studies.

But....

I am trying to recover by replacing it with my real one which helps so so so much!!!

@Fore please do not suspend us and forgive us for what we wrote.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 15 Mar, 2010, 6:53pm

@Fore

I want to ask a question if that is ok with you good friend.

Do you know off the current position of the entity that humans call the anti-Christ???

Are you capable of infiltrating the thought or thinking process off others to subdue them into doing something????

These are pop questions just testing if you answer them honestly

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 15 Mar, 2010, 7:05pm

15 Mar, 2010, 6:43pm, shadowninja wrote:

@Fore please do not suspend us and forgive us for what we wrote.

He wouldn't if you guys would stop posting your conversations in his thread. They have nothing to do with him, and I can see why he's gotten to the point where he must warn of suspension.

For pete's sake, if you and Elendal would just *stop* posting this stuff here, it wouldn't be an issue. You both know how to start threads of your own...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 15 Mar, 2010, 7:07pm

@Elendal

I will start a thread for us in the encounter section.

I shall call it the Elendal and House discussions.

Also prior to the last post I have to say something indeed does pull the strings. So the good old thought off -

I BLOODY KNOW THIS GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!

It gives a giant ring to it with a massive Boom on the end. Hmm this makes me wonder did I die and return here again. Yet again they must have wiped my memories out again!!!

So much to do so little time.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 15 Mar, 2010, 9:46pm

15 Mar, 2010, 7:05pm, dove wrote:

15 Mar, 2010, 6:43pm, shadowninja wrote:

@Fore please do not suspend us and forgive us for what we wrote.

However, I do think it fair that Traynor be allowed to respond briefly to Elendal's last post since accusations were leveled at him and it seems related to this thread, as well.

JMO, of course.

~~~

Now. About those questions, Fore...

Just kidding.

No pressure, of course.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dragonfire on 16 Mar, 2010, 2:09am

Good move Dr House, you and Elendal1 have taken this thread too far from its core.

By the way Elendal1, the filter stay's ON. However, if your baiting continues and we hear more complaints, expect the unexpected.

Oh, now you know.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 16 Mar, 2010, 11:27am

16 Mar, 2010, 2:09am, dragonfire wrote:

Good move Dr House, you and Elendal1 have taken this thread too far from its core.

By the way Elendal1, the filter stay's ON. However, if your baiting continues and we hear more complaints, expect the unexpected.

Oh, now you know.

Dragonfire

I love your quote 8-)

"Do not medele with dragons"

But...

The question is

What if you are a dragon rider and you are one with them???

Hehehe yeh I love asking questions

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 16 Mar, 2010, 11:32am

@ Fore

Will you answer any of my pending questions. There is no hurry mate but would be nice if you did

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 18 Mar, 2010, 1:28am

8 Mar, 2010, 9:02am, shadowninja wrote:

Hello Fore

I would like to ask somethings if that is ok with you??

1. Was there such a thing as an Angelic War in the past???

This is simply because I had couple memories come back and just thought you might be a good person to ask

I wouldn't know. The only way I would know is from reading the Bible.

Probably not the answer you wanted but....that's all I have.

8 Mar, 2010, 9:02am, shadowninja wrote:

2. I have been drawing a couple symbols lately I do not know their meanings. Would you be able to have a look at them and have some sort of idea as to what they are??

Go ahead and send them though PM. Though I don't know much of anything about symbols.

8 Mar, 2010, 9:02am, shadowninja wrote:

3. This might sound just crazy or a bit out of the dark night sky. But by any chance do you have an idea how can one manipulate his or hers biological structure??

There is a ton of simple understandings associated in that single question. You'll have to narrow down the question into much simpler scope to get a proper answer.

There are any number of ways to answer your question.

If you mean by altering how it works on a crude level, then yes. (Raising/lowering body heat, slowing down your breathing/heart rate,controlling you eye focus and iris constriction...stuff like that yes.)

If you mean by altering DNA in a new ager way, (lots of nonseense in my view) then no. Not that I know of.

Narrow down the scope and context somewhat and I will see what I can do to answer your question in the best possible way.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 18 Mar, 2010, 3:27am

Hint: The body can be altered from the point of view of manipulating the psychic body, and it's associated interconnects [harking back to Fore's question time]. It's not recommended, and most likely fatal for the majority at a guess.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 18 Mar, 2010, 9:41am

@Fore

What I was meaning to say to the exact point is. Can a person alter their DNA and biological structure to remain young???

@Pontificator

Yet at the same moment in time one should be able to do such a thing with the proper knowledge. :-/

But....

Yeh it could be fatal as specially rearranging your internal organs :-X

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 18 Mar, 2010, 3:36pm

The cellular regeneration of organs and tissue eventually develop a kink into the system and the regeneration of cells ends and aging occurs. This is the razors edge of mainstream research.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 18 Mar, 2010, 10:59pm

@ Dove

What is the post number of your question? I have gone back a few pages but saw no question. Could you give me the number so I can get to answering it?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 18 Mar, 2010, 11:50pm

It's post #2801, a couple pages back.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 19 Mar, 2010, 12:41am

Sci Fi Science S01E02 How To Travel To A Parallel Universe

http://www.megavideo.com/?d=XIDRV7W6

They come close to the idea of a "translation gate" but the concepts are still too "3D" in conceptualization to cover some of the basics the ET's tend to talk about.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 20 Mar, 2010, 1:14am

Could you give us a sense on how an ET would go about making a "translation gate"?

*cough*

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 24 Mar, 2010, 10:28am

15 Mar, 2010, 7:05pm, dove wrote:

15 Mar, 2010, 6:43pm, shadowninja wrote:

@Fore please do not suspend us and forgive us for what we wrote.

You are both missing the point.

First of all, I will not ask to be excused by a double-talking, lying, and cheating SOB that has been my mortal enemy for all eternity. So much for that side of the story.

Secondly, this is neither about Dove, nor House, nor Elendal, nor anyone else in this thread, except Fore and Traynor. My attacks are aimed strictly at them, and for very specific reasons.

Like, for example, where do you think "Fore" got all the information he's got? He definitely has some extremely valuable information about some things that he could not possibly know about unless he gained it from a genuine source.

However, and what a gigantic however that is, no source that I know of would just give that information away under the circumstances we're witnessing here, on this planet.

My conclusion, thus, is two-fold:
- either "fore" has some very-close-and-personal experience with the stuff he's talking about, in which case he is undoubtedly lying about his "contacts", and using them as a cover story (which is something infiltrators do all the the time, as some may know very well), or
- he got the information by other means, and it makes me shiver just to think what his "people" had to do to get it out those who were unfortunate enough to be captured in this place.

Abu Ghraib is a child's play compared to what these "people" can do, and I'm not exaggerating my statements in any way.

Do you truly and honestly think for even a moment that any kind of compromise is even remotely possible between me (and others like me) and those abominations that these "people" are?

I ask you now, and think very carefully about what you're going to say next, can you even imagine negotiating with someone who had done unspeakable things to you and everyone you ever loved, and kept doing it for eons and eons, with no end in sight?

So, you can imagine being in the the same bed with one of your torturers?

Well, if you can, then I can't help you there. You're as much lost as they are. "The beds are burning", and anyone caught in bed with them is going to burn as well.

Don't act as their human shield, and you will have nothing to worry about.

But since you are acting as "fore's" shield right now, dove, I have to tell you that you do have something to worry about. Think about what you are doing here, and think very hard. Then choose your side. Or don't choose, and one will be chosen for you, whether you like it or not.

I am very single-minded in my job, and if I have to take down every single shield they put up to protect themselves, I will do it without a moment of hesitation. They are my primary targets, and they are not getting out of this alive, even if this whole place has to burn to the core.

Once they have not single shields left to protect them, we will meet face to face.

Humanity will be long gone by then, but since humans never found the strength to rise and fight back, they were never any better than the cows led to the slaughter. What's the difference if someone else did the slaughter in the end?

What's the difference, I ask you?

You will hate me instead of them?

Big deal. Neither them nor me hold your opinion in very high regard.

You are cows being led to the slaughter, so who cares what cows think?

Do you care what cows think?

No?

Just as I thought.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 24 Mar, 2010, 11:09am

18 Mar, 2010, 1:28am, fore wrote:

So, "fore", I see that you have chosen a valid defense here - ignoring any and all "uncomfortable" questions. It could work... in theory... if dragonfire bans me, that is, and you are left with nothing to worry about after that moment.

But, let me give you a valid question as a response to your valid defense.

What do you think of this article, and some of the comments on that page?

http://www.henrymakow.com/patriot_veteran_reflects_on_mi.html

You spoke of martial law, after all, so what's your take on the subject of resistance?

Oh, I forgot... Those nice Greys are going to come down here, and pick you up to Heaven, while the rest of us stay behind in the Hell. Something like that? Something like that movie Knowing?

What the <Bleep> was that last scene in Knowing all about? His son was chosen to be saved, but he was to be left behind? What kind of <Bleep> is that? Like his son was so <Bleep> "special" or something?

Is that how you wanted to present yourself here, "fore"? As a "special" one, worthy of being "saved" by Greys?

It speaks volumes about you, "Fore", but what would it say about Greys, I ask you? I ask everyone of you here. What message did you get, both from "fore", and that movie Knowing, about the Greys? What message did you get from that other movie "fore" also mentioned, The Forth Kind?

Look not at "fore's" words. Look at intentions behind his words, and intentions are easiest to read. Just observe what you feel, and you will find in yourselves what he wanted you to feel about Greys.

Is it understanding? Is it love? Is it hate?

After all of his words, the only thing I can feel about Greys is a mix of understanding and anger. Do you feel the same as I do?

Then, whom is "fore" actually speaking for? Certainly not Greys, that much is clear. Then whom!?

Who is there besides Greys? Who is that someone we've never heard "fore" speak about, yet he did reference them in his own Avatar?

Can't guess?

Then look at one of my old posts. I spoke of them when I spoke of Stephen Colbert ("fore's" Avatar at the time), who portrayed them in one of his "dance remix" spots on his show. Right up your collective noses, yet no one recognized it. No wonder they can do to you whatever they want. You will never recognize what they do to you because they are extremely good at manipulating information.

You don't stand a <Bleep> chance against them. What you need is anger, hate, and not some kindergarden IRA stuff. They will infiltrate you in on time, and you won't even know it until everything is revealed.

They are extremely good at infiltration. Do I have to give you examples?

Well, lookee! What do we have here!? A "moderator fore"? Gee, I wonder why he took the job? Too much free time on his hands? Gave up writing a book about his experiences? Too much effort, too little gain?

Well, as a moderator, I bet he has access to some stuff none of us mere mortals can get our hands on.

Can I get access to the same stuff "fore" has access to? Please? I'm just a simple user here, and I would very much like to have that kind of access? Can I? Pretty please with a sugar on top?

By the way, who's organizing OMF? Someone across the pond (from "fore")? Well, pinch me and wake me up!

Why didn't fore choose a U.S. forum to spread his little story around? A forum more frequented than OMF? Something like ATS, perhaps?

There's a forum where he could have got himself everything he ever wanted.

So, here's a question for all the moderators and owners of this forum.

What exactly is "fore" doing here?

Anyone care to answer the question?

[MOD EDIT: Cleaned out some of the posters foul language with some soap.]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 24 Mar, 2010, 11:13am

elendal1, it is not as though you do not know the rules. You have been told what will result in a ban, and yet you specifically repeat that behavior. At this point it is not about the choice of the moderator, but your own choice as to whether you obey the rules of the forum, or disobey them. In this case I can only see a hammer [and I do not need to be psychic to see that].

However, I have never been one to act as shield too much, I allow people to get burnt.

@Fore, your advisor has permission to visit. I'll rate her on her behavior, the Greys are what they are and require no further consideration. Let us see exactly what happens.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by elendal1 on 24 Mar, 2010, 11:33am

24 Mar, 2010, 11:13am, pontificator wrote:

elendal1, it is not as though you do not know the rules. You have been told what will result in a ban, and yet you specifically repeat that behavior. At this point it is not about the choice of the moderator, but your own choice as to whether you obey the rules of the forum, or disobey them. In this case I can only see a hammer [and I do not need to be psychic to see that].

However, I have never been one to act as shield too much, I allow people to get burnt.

@Fore, your advisor has permission to visit. I'll rate her on her behavior, the Greys are what they are and require no further consideration. Let us see exactly what happens.

Well, well... we do pick them up like you wouldn't believe, don't we?

While dove spoke out of ignorance, you are definitely not. You know stuff, and you keep placing yourself right between "Fore" and me.

Why?

That's really my only question for you.

For the observers...

What did I say about "beating the rabbit out of the bush"?

You will never find out who is hiding behind someone you knew if you don't give them a hell of a job to keep up to.

What you don't know "pontificator", is that humans have a tendency that you don't show - to back up, and run away when someone whom they don't know is attacked.

It's a tendency burned into their psyche from the very early age - obedience to authority.

Usually, I wouldn't pay any attention to your post, but I have a clear goal here, and you've got caught in my net, so I have to pay some attention to you.

Let's see what we can conclude from your post:
1. No fear whatsoever.
2. Repeatedly puts himself up front as "fore's" shield.

So, let' hear your explanation, pontificator.

Why do you keep protecting "fore"?

a) Some subconscious exhibition of protection mechanism that you are not aware of (as in programmed behavior), or
b) You know exactly what you are doing?

If I would have to venture on a guess, I'd say it's option b).

Why?

Because you're trying to pull in administrators to do your dirty job for you. That way, you give a semblance of non-involvement. It's one of the usual strategies, actually quite commonly used within the intelligence community. Useful idiots I think they call those who get pulled in, and do all the dirty work.

"fore" doesn't pay any attention to you that I can see, so you must be an independent party here. Just another guess of mine. Let's see what it will produce.

Anyway, I am still standing on my own, and if anyone bans me, it will be because I "asked" them to (in whatever manner you find that statement appropriate), and not because some guard dogs are trying to chase cats into catching a mouse.

This is between "fore" and me, so please refrain from placing yourselves right between the two of us.

On the other hand, feel free to ask either him or me whatever you wish to ask, but I don't guarantee that either of us will respond... for whatever reasons either of us finds appropriate.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 24 Mar, 2010, 12:22pm

@elendal1, Fore definitely requires no shield or protection, I am merely making an observation of your behavior, in the somewhat vain attempt to get you to save yourself as it were.

Option B would be correct, but not in the way you think. I would not need to do anything but wait for you to hang yourself, that much is certain. I simply point out the obvious, that while you weave a pattern of respect towards yourself, all you have done is to guarantee your own demise at it were.

Fore speaks for himself after all, I have no influence there, so the concept of me actually being able to act as a shield is somewhat... laughable.

I wish you luck on your continuing dark journey, and know that I "know" you [you have a texture that gives me a hunch of something past].

As an aside, the main reason you see Fore not being able to communicate with me effectively at this time is that he is currently under the influence of an apathy filter. Given the shutdown of his abilities he will not be able to remove it until much later. This is a nuisance, as merely thinking of him would allow me to train based on the feedback he gave off.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by garuda on 24 Mar, 2010, 1:12pm

Elendal, you've crossed the line and are now effectively trolling...

Suspended pending administrative review.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 24 Mar, 2010, 2:33pm

24 Mar, 2010, 11:33am, elendal1 wrote:

24 Mar, 2010, 11:13am, pontificator wrote:

Well, well... we do pick them up like you wouldn't believe, don't we?

While dove spoke out of ignorance, you are definitely not. You know stuff, and you keep placing yourself right between "Fore" and me.

Ignorance, eh? [image]

24 Mar, 2010, 10:28am, elendal1 wrote:

15 Mar, 2010, 7:05pm, dove wrote:

You are both missing the point.

Secondly, this is neither about Dove, nor House, nor Elendal, nor anyone else in this thread, except Fore and Traynor. My attacks are aimed strictly at them, and for very specific reasons.

I am neither ignorant, nor am I missing the point. ::)

You were obviously not paying attention. The response of mine that you quoted was written to House (and yourself) about the totally off-topic posts (specifically replies # 2795, 2796, 2797, 2803, 2809, 2810, 2813, and 2817). I was not speaking about the posts that you wrote that were addressed to Fore and Traynor.

Quote:

Don't act as their human shield, and you will have nothing to worry about.

But since you are acting as "fore's" shield right now, dove, I have to tell you that you do have something to worry about. Think about what you are doing here, and think very hard. Then choose your side. Or don't choose, and one will be chosen for you, whether you like it or not.

I am very single-minded in my job, and if I have to take down every single shield they put up to protect themselves, I will do it without a moment of hesitation. They are my primary targets, and they are not getting out of this alive, even if this whole place has to burn to the core.

Once they have not single shields left to protect them, we will meet face to face.

Okay, you better back off *right* now.

First of all, I am not playing Fore's 'human shield'. I am not defending him against what you wrote. I have no clue as to whether you are correct or not; accordingly, I have not said anything with regards to that conversation--other than to say that I thought it fair that Traynor be able to reply to your last post that included him.

Under your false assumptions, you would then be 'taking me down' because you presume me to be some kind of plant or shield for someone I barely know. *That* is not smart at all. Not only are you dead wrong, but you will also be messing with someone who will NOT put up with your crap.

I have enough to deal with on my own without having someone come in and mess with me because they made a misunderstanding.

If you think that I was shielding Fore, then you should also think that I was shielding you and Dr. House, and that Ponti was shielding you. Because we were, in a way (or at least I was), by telling you all to take the menial conversations elsewhere so you wouldn't get banned.

Now should someone come and threaten me because I was trying to help you two?

Again. Back off. You have NO clue who I am or what I'm about, or what 'side' I'm on. Here I thought that my last 6000 posts were enough to show people who I am and what I'm all about (finding truth). I guess not. ::)

~~~

You haven't been paying attention to *everyone's* posts, I see. If you had, you would know that I have been one of the only members to drill Fore with questions. I don't back down on that. I may not get all my questions answered, but I do ask them. That in itself should show you all you need to know--that I am not shielding him, but rather, I am trying to figure things out for us (humanity; our soul/spirit, specifically).

Of course, my questions are not meant to harm him or drive him out of some perceived rabbit hole, either. That's how it works when you seek truth. You don't make assumptions about people and ideas. You take everything in as a baseline measurement and ferret out the truth from there.

I don't think Fore is purposefully trying to hurt anyone. He has mentioned countless times that most of what he does here is against the wishes of his contacts. Am I defending him or shielding him because of those statements? It could probably be perceived that way, yet that is not the reality. I say and do these things because I am fair and honest, and I don't like to jump to conclusions and make false assumptions.

I don't know who you are or who Fore really is, and I have no idea what your beef with him is over several lifetimes. That's not my business, anyways. Kindly leave me out of this, okay?

~~~

Quote:

You are cows being led to the slaughter, so who cares what cows think?
Do you care what cows think?

No?

Just as I thought.

Again, you assume a lot, Elendal.

Yes, actually, I do care what cows (and all animals and plants) 'think'. It's hard for me to eat because I know and care. Again, please do not presume to know me or who I am. You haven't a clue.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 24 Mar, 2010, 2:35pm

24 Mar, 2010, 12:22pm, pontificator wrote:

Fore speaks for himself after all, I have no influence there, so the concept of me actually being able to act as a shield is somewhat... laughable.

Precisely correct.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 24 Mar, 2010, 3:04pm

MOD EDIT:

Please do not play Mod here.

We can handle it.

Post Removed. Do not reply to this one either.
If anyone has to then simply send me a PM.

Thanks for your understanding!

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 24 Mar, 2010, 3:13pm

Understood clearly thank you

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by shadowninja on 24 Mar, 2010, 3:15pm

@ Mod

Sorry did not meant to play the mod role forgive me. I just wanted it to stop cause it was starting to scare me. But yes I respect your decision and shall honor it. 8-)

MOD EDIT: (AGAIN)

What did I say? Didn't I say to PM me if ANYone has to reply?
I do not play the banter back and forth game here.
Never have!

Last Warning!

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 25 Mar, 2010, 3:57am

20 Mar, 2010, 1:14am, dreamoftheiris wrote:

Could you give us a sense on how an ET would go about making a "translation gate"?

*cough*

Anything pertinent to this would do- obviously the mechanics behind it are too complex to go over, but a basic overview would be nice if possible.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by q on 25 Mar, 2010, 5:58am

And while we're getting ourselves back on track, how about this little nugget of curiosity:

6 Mar, 2010, 6:19am, fore wrote:

6 Mar, 2010, 6:06am, god wrote:

This would be interesting to me and probably many others.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 28 Mar, 2010, 10:26am

http://www.wimp.com/universemultiverse/

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by magfrey on 17 Apr, 2010, 3:43am

Wow..thats trippy.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by xds on 18 Apr, 2010, 5:43am

Explore

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 29 Apr, 2010, 9:13pm

27 Apr, 2010, 6:29am, pontificator wrote:

I don't actively clobber people

It's more than likely you ran into something else that might be keeping an eye on me right now, and as far as Fore is concerned he would not be a factor. He is currently mostly deactivated in terms of abilities to my knowledge, by his own choice.

Woke up early in the morning, after having very visceral dreams about being attacked by a horde of dentists... My teeth felt very "clean" upon waking. Anyway, not terrifying or anything, just very strange.

@ Ponti

I have figured out/discovered/realized something yesterday morning. It relates to the activation of abilities.

I was waking up and laying in bed when I noticed my left side felt stuffy and not so good.

The first discovery came in terms of intensifying the release of internal influence and purging/venting excess influence. Something which I usually do without much thought. (Sort of like when you walk across the room without as much as an afterthought.)

For whatever reason, the idea came to me to slow down this unconscious process so I could examine (by repetition) how the process works to increase my influence state within a certain body area.

Something which I hadn't honestly dedicated much of any detailed study to examine this in a functional step-by-step process.

I figured that it would take a few minutes of time.

So I slowed down the nearly sub-/un-conscious process and examined why it worked reliably in this instance and in other instances it takes time.

I found a quick revelation to the answer by slowing down the chain of processes. I discovered that my EFM (External Field Manipulation) occurring outside the periphery of my body actually coalesced just around the region as if in response to my intention and thoughts.

(Note: I am currently and have been getting "gut feelings" since yesterday morning, that I should not talk about this publicly. Like a little red flag that keeps popping up in the back of my mind to remind me of not to talk about this. Followed by my own estimations of what I consider likely to bring about another series of visits.)

Imagine my surprise. Here I had always accepted mentally that the IFM (Internal Field Manipulation) was actually the applied source of the activation.

Whereas in reality, (or in practice) it seems to at least be a combination of the two. It is just that the process is so quick that I never really consciously realized the nuanced processes.

So I began to test the theory in the moments after that realization.

I began to decrease the influence activated state of the primarily affected area and then started heightening the activation of sections of my left side in sequential order.

It worked. It did it reliably and quickly when I did it primarily with EFM only.

===============================================

Usually I assumed that internal field manipulation was the only method I ever employed in and during activations. But this instead reveals that it isn't the case. The entire sequence occurs so rapidly that I probably never noticed it to the extent that I did on this day. (Simply out of curiosity if nothing else.)

I then began to speculate what this means. As I started measuring what little EFM interaction as I could in my current state. I noticed that the tests showed that my External Influence Field is actually pretty strong.

How can that be though? I thought it should have consistently decreased just like my internal field...?

Apparently this is not the case to the degree that I had imagined.

Apparently the external field is (roughly speaking) self sustaining and steady on it's own. Which is....pretty strange....when I thought about it.

===============================================

If the EFM is still "there" and "still functioning" at a appreciable magnitude....then why am I not noting a significant traffic of spiritual entities trying to drain me of influence?

This was the case in the past...why isn't it true now?

----------------------------------------------------

So I started theorizing and putting together different ideas and comparing them to a variety of likely explanations.

But...I was interrupted by the realization that my internal field (IFM) was gently trying to naturally increase it's output as a response to the variety of tests I had conducted of a number of isolated activations. I also noticed my left wrist began hurting where the interconnect center was situated.

I realized that my internal field was slowly increasing it's output and it needed to be stopped. So I started suppressing it.

(See next post for the other unmentioned battery of tests that followed this)

================================================

I started putting together this little (but probably very important) realization.

There was a "new" unrealized/untaught way to increase influence output if you already had all the externalized bits and pieces in place such as an external psychic field already available.

Wherein I had always done it by IFM (which can be painful and discomforting). I could instead utilize this inconsistently applied EFM technique and always have near perfect responsiveness.

The next realization were the ideas that followed:

(Speculation)

What if the notorious psychic/influence structures that form "outside of", "around" and "inside the body" all relate primarily to the perceptual activation process?

Read: What if they make the bridge between the IFM and the EFM?

Like a bridge between the internal and the external.

Could this mean that the so called "third eye", the "crown", and the cone-like structures at the temples of the periphery of the head are all there for bridging that gap? Is it there for making that essential connection?

(I don't know the answer...yet!

)

================================================

If this is the case though, then indeed, I didn't actually do anything other than sever "the bridge" between the two (IFM and EFM)

My new hypothesis is that by severing this psychic bridge...I effectively became a psychic person with limited / or no connection to their own psychic abilities.

The psychic abilities are still there but they aren't perceptually accessible.

That may go far to explain why I can still activate my abilities at my discretion. It's means I may probably never really reach a "full shut off" even if large periods of time pass.

================================================

With this hypothesis in hand, I began to wonder:

What are the structures for if they are the only things that may effectively be disabled?

Read: I am referring to "the crown", "the third eye", "the cone-like structures" that extend at the temples.

It came to me pretty quick in my own deeper thoughts...a "what if" these psychic appendages are like some sort of control structure(s) that make the actual bridging connections between the brain hardware and the psychic complex beyond the physical body?

Then I had an epiphany.

If this is indeed the case....then why aren't there other control structures around other areas of the body?

Why are they all developed and situated primarily around the skull??

I ran a quick inventory to see if there was possibly some other primary psychic structure I might have overlooked. But really, there aren't any super relevant ones. Most of the control structures seem to be situated all in one region. The head.

Is it because this is where the perceptual gap and/or bridge is formed in a psychic to allow them to experience a so called "psychic experience"?

My best answer is an obvious yes.

Most likely the reason for these structures is to fully allow the "translation tables" (taught by the advisor) to gather information and form physical impressions that people experience.

Then I postulated that the more well formed the structures, the more likely the non-physical sensations will translate into a format that the physical brain can understand.

Sort of like the psychic non-physical IFM rods forming:
--Third eye (Mystics terms)
--The Crown
--The side temples cone-like structures

....and connecting the external psychic EFM:

--The external psychic fields
--?Astral Body? (mystics terms)
--?The Etheric Body? (Mystics terms)

....To create one seamless experience of a physical mind experiencing a non-physical sensation or set of information.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 29 Apr, 2010, 9:19pm

Ah,

Another epiphany I had while reading my own post.

That may explain why there are very few I have encountered in my life whom are ordinary people with ordinary lives (as far as I could tell) and yet possessed strong psychic field emissions.

I recall "beaming" intense psychic fields full of information at them but they never seemingly flinched or took notice. Could it be because they lack the psychic structures that form around the head to give them the "psychic experience"?

This may explain why some few and very rare people of a normal nature and background can have very substantial fields but possess no real actual psychic awareness. The "bridge structures" may be missing or malformed.

Hence, this may probably be why they experience no connection to their higher order mind or the psychic input that it experiences.

Edit: Though they would experience related psychic phenomena in their environment such as paranormal hauntings, PK events, Self induced Poltergeist event, electromagnetic interference and electrical fluctuations or battery drains.

None of the above requires an active awareness for it to form.

In fact, they probably wouldn't even be able to sense their own psychic fields without "the bridge" components. At best they might feel physical distortions caused by them.

It would be like two different halves (left vs right hand) not knowing what the other is doing. They wouldn't be consciously aware of it at all.

Edit2: Which might explain why some psychokinetic and poltergeist phenomena is linked to a particular person whom may possess a strong psychic field but is not aware of it as they may have no real sensation of a psychic experience.

Usually these kinds of people can trigger random uncontrolled phenomena but not by their mind but allegedly by their emotional state.

Usually the poltergeist phenomena and the associated PK event is associated with high emotions of turmoil. Like an unconscious reflex.

Which probably means that there are probably secondary control structured not associated with the head. Probably within the chest and back near the shoulder blades.

(Note: ~secondary~ psychic control structures usually seen in higher order beings IMHO)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wynderer on 29 Apr, 2010, 9:33pm

Hi Fore -- i have a question for you that others might have also

i've read the first two pages of this long thread, & since you are a regular poster, i have read other posts of yours also

my question is : what is your basic relationship w/the beings -- i think they are Greys? -- who interact w/you? it's not clear to me if this is something you welcome & enjoy? or if it something that started when you were so young that it has always been a natural part of your life? or something else that i can't see/understand? -- i know that a long-term relationship of any sort is usually complicated, & my question may be simplistic

also, are you fully human? or are you part Grey, & this is why they take such interest in you --please don't take that question as an insult -- i've written elsewhere re my friendship w/a Grey clone -- tho i see the ETs coming here as invaders, that doesn't mean i automatically dislike any ET -- whether Humans want it or not, ETs are now a part of our lives, as are their clones & hybrids

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 29 Apr, 2010, 9:49pm

I don't really have a amicable relationship with the Male Greys. (of which they are just one I used to have contact with).

My "relationship" (if you can call it that??) is temporary most of the time and either from a purely technical association or simply a cold business relationship.

The three Greys I am specifically talking about aren't really bad ~people~. They simply perform tasks and interact with you if you allow it. They aren't particularly trustworthy as they have pretty bad credibility in my mind but if they drop the pretense they can be fairly informative.

They are good for technical details, Word definitions, technical knowledge etc.

But they aren't all that useful for a real relationship. They do what their superiors order them to do. If they are told to be honest, they will be. If they are told to lie, they will lie.

They are like talking with a wall at times.

Or

They can be like talking to a technical expert in anything from psychology to strategy.

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They are "COMPETENT" when they are in their element. (LOL)

But outside of that, I wouldn't put anything important in their hands when it is outside of their element. For they can be pretty daft when it comes to those kinds of things. (INCOMPETENT)

Any relationship I might have is at best like a business relationship. In which I do not do business with them. (hehe)

They are useful in terms of handing out information about situations. Statistics and relational information. If you square them away for that purpose they (if directed by superiors?)will do that with efficiency.

But ask them to be your friend....and you'll be a nutcase by morning.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 29 Apr, 2010, 10:52pm

On your second questions:

"or if it something that started when you were so young that it has always been a natural part of your life?"

Correct. That is the case.

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"also, are you fully human? or are you part Grey"

Depends on what I would like to believe vs what I can actually prove.

I believe I am pretty unordinary in the biological sense. Though they Grey Males assert that when I was in my mothers womb they came along and made modifications.

I find no concrete reason why I should even bother to believe that to be the case other than the abilities that I do possess. I have seen people whom I have taught a little bit about the techniques and they develop fairly quickly. So in those terms, there appears to be nothing significantly special or abnormal in that sense.

I believe I may be the slow poke given my limited training sessions with certain individuals. The few people I have tried to teach develop at a faster pace than I did.

Which begs the question: Why do they bother with such a slow poke like myself?

Dunno.

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I noticed that my method of thinking is somewhat different than a regular persons. But that can easily be attributed to social interactions or smaller scale modifications made by these guys.

I do not contest that they have modified me on some level. But I do contest up to what point. I do not believe there is anything significantly special in me.

Though they act as if it were the case. Why? I do not know.

All I do know is that they may have profiles which they prefer people to fit into. I noticed that other groups seem interested in Pontif. And I can definitely see many traits I have within Pontif.

Maybe there is a reason for it. Maybe it is a purely mental profile. Maybe it is biological. Or maybe it is psychological. Who knows?
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Why do they bother with someone like me. Good question:

I do not know.

If I were them, I would have abandoned a subject such as myself quite a long time ago. I am uncooperative. Slow developing and contentious in any number of conversations. Not very trusting either.

So why would I (in their shoes) dedicate that much time and effort? I dunno.

I don't even believe alot of things they push. So.....???

Edit:

And if I were biologically unique then they would have used me in genetics test and stuff or breeding. And as far as I know, they never have shown any interest in that.

So I guess I am not breeder material. (THANK GOD)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 29 Apr, 2010, 11:05pm

As of the time of this post, I have begun to get a significant pressure as of 4:03 pm Central Time.

I guess I piqued someones interest. I am trying to surpress it but I can't.

Possibly because it is coming from somewhere else.

Edit1:
4:18pm Central Time: Pressure decreased by more than half, but continues.

I wonder if the other end is going to cut off by the 45minute mark that always seems to be prevalent.

Edit2: 4:27 -> 4:29pm Central Time: Sleepiness has started to settle in. Suddenly feeling somewhat tired and relaxed.

Edit3: Hmm strange. I had my earbuds in and stopped playing music. I heard what sounds like electrical clicking and/or interference in my headphones at about 2 clicks per second evenly spaced out.

Predominantly on the left side with an occasional clicking sound on the right. I thought it was a sound problem.

Well the clicking ended abruptly at 4:39pm Central Time. I hadn't reset or unplugged anything. It simply just stopped. Sounded like very light electronic clicking noise.

As soon as I took off the headphones the noise would obviously stop since something was interfering with the headphones. (Mainly left channel only)

Right now the earbuds are totally silent and the clicking went away abruptly. (Senheisers earbuds with a noise floor of about -110db)

Pressure continued though.

Edit4: Pressure stopped at about 4:53pm Central Time.

About 50 minutes total. Humm (LOL) Just as expected (or close enough!)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 30 Apr, 2010, 12:34am

I have just read through your new posts, and am experimenting with what you found [although I am at work, so its minor testing]. As per usual there is a pressure increase from merely reading your posts.

Now, I know of interest from one lot that visited, but when you mention groups being interesting my ears naturally perk up. Any chance you could give me a rough number and who/what they are? I would prefer you answer as much as you can, being in the dark when these sorts of beings are around is not a good thing...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 30 Apr, 2010, 4:23am

I meant in general since you have come into contact with some glowing entity. Not specific in anyway.

The only other person I recall having a similar experience was Razpad (and a few others whom remain unnamed whom seemingly encountered pretty similar events) and to a more limited extent Dove. Except I got a notice of doves encounter the next morning from some ET strangers telling me that dove was scared or somehow misunderstood what was happening around her. (I don't fully recall what they said at the time.)

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By the way, I suggest you do not use this activation technique directly on your own head area. I don't think it will work right, though I dunno for sure. YMMV and it's just a warning.

Activating different areas should work to stimulate those psychic formations I talked about above....just indirectly.

I still have no clue if you have formed any of the associated psychic structures. I know the structures near your temples is what you have usually said are forming or randomly activating. But I don't know about the crown area and the somewhat-internal "third eye" structures.

I guess I am asking where you are at right now?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 30 Apr, 2010, 4:32am

By the way, I know I shouldn't say this, but I wonder if these psychic formations are what ancient peoples witnessed and described as physical manifestations in some of the ?supernatural? visitors they encountered...

Such as the tubular formations near the temples. I wonder if this is what they likened to "horns". I read somewhere a long time ago in some obscure resource that the more powerful a malevolent being the larger the horns were said to be.

Though I do not know if this is accurate or not since I don't recall if it was a book in a library or some online resource I was skimming at some point in the distant past.

Of course this is going on what I do recall from some obscure resource somewhere.

If anyone knows of older ancient mysticism's about a wide range of associated psychic structures....I am all ears. I'd like to hear about them and see if I can decipher what they might be referring to.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 30 Apr, 2010, 4:41am

Currently the Temple structures to the right seem to provide pressure most of the time. The ones to the left are a different matter, and only activate [to the same strength] on occasion. The crown area definitely produces pressure, lopsided more to the right than the left.

I, to my knowledge, don't seem to be having any luck with the "third eye". I have felt the sensation of liquid from that area very occasionally, but nothing concrete.

Other areas doing odd things: Lower right shoulder blade, some areas of the upper chest [occasional, either side, feels like it is skin level]. If the pressure gets intense I find it feels as though I am crushing my teeth together when I am not. The tongue can also feel as though it is touching a battery. Middle finger-tip on right hand has had the sudden painful release of apparent contaminants occasionally [as has the right eye].

I am finding that maintaining output can be tiring most of the time, but not tiring in the right conditions [presence of lots of students]. Minor emotional detection is occurring as well, but not on humans as far as I can tell.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 30 Apr, 2010, 5:15am

30 Apr, 2010, 4:41am, pontificator wrote:

Currently the Temple structures to the right seem to provide pressure most of the time. The ones to the left are a different matter, and only activate [to the same strength] on occasion. The crown area definitely produces pressure, lopsided more to the right than the left.

Interesting, you might have seemingly inherited the same sort of irregularities that I have in the psychic structures themselves. I hope this isn't the case.

What I found when the advisor manually forced the activation of my third eye was that she gently and carefully pulled out slightly the ~column~ of energy associated with my "third eye".

She would pull it out a few inches to the surface without detaching it's base from my forehead. Then she would stimulate various areas with a particular influence pattern she emitted. It felt as if she were stimulating it with a certain sequence of propagations. Then she would ease it back into it's place.

Then it would begin to oscillate and eventually after some time begin pouring out contaminants from inside my body through the "third eye" column.

After the contaminants were cleared out there begins a very sharp outpouring of Internal Influence like a positive pressure pouring out from the "third eye" area.

Then perceptual psychic abilities begin to manifest and information comes flooding into your mind.

This is a lower activation.

The other type (higher activation) is a bit more painful and a bit more mysterious to me as to how she does it.

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This is something I normally would not have revealed about her techniques. But I am feeling pretty open today so I guess there it is.

With a little thought you should be able to make it work in time. All you need is a sensation of your "third eye" a little and you can begin practicing different influence stimulation to see which works best.

Just make sure not to detach the formation otherwise you'll lose a range of psychic abilities. (allegedly what I was told)

I roughly recall her sequences, but unfortunately the English language is not going to help me in terms of describing this phenomena or the sequence.

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Note: When you get your third eye in the proper configuration it should feel (physically) as if you are emanating an invisible manifesting outward pressure that you can feel with you hand as you cross it's path.

You'll also feel it collide to some limited degree with objects (and so will other people) if you look straight at them. They will usually say they feel a sharp pressure rise like a sudden migraine or massive headache on their skull by simply directing it's emanation in their direction.

The way I adapted to this is either to ignore the symptoms and pretend they are crazy or simply stand a little farther away (slightly more than arms length) or look slightly to the side so the focused and directed sharp emanations don't strike them head on.

Edited: To put in a very critical detail!

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 30 Apr, 2010, 1:08pm

An interesting episode of a show called "The Outer Limits":

http://www.hulu.com/watch/61860/outer-limits-the-choice#s-p1-so-i0

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 30 Apr, 2010, 2:00pm

With the third eye structure, from your description its roughly an inch or two in from the surface of the area between the brows, what oscillation rate are we talking about?

Is the column horizontal or vertical in orientation?

In terms of imaginative correlation to performing this operation on the third eye, should I use texture, sound or colour? [in order to induce the oscillation]

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 30 Apr, 2010, 6:58pm

30 Apr, 2010, 4:23am, fore wrote:

I meant in general since you have come into contact with some glowing entity. Not specific in anyway.

The only other person I recall having a similar experience was Razpad (and a few others whom remain unnamed whom seemingly encountered pretty similar events) and to a more limited extent Dove. Except I got a notice of doves encounter the next morning from some ET strangers telling me that dove was scared or somehow misunderstood what was happening around her. (I don't fully recall what they said at the time.)

I wonder which visit you're talking about... ::)

Scared? Lol, no.

A misunderstanding? Possibly but not likely, unless your source of information was/is someone benevolent. If I get the urge to put up my guard, it's usually because I'm being checked out or visited by someone who I need to shield from.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by philliman on 30 Apr, 2010, 7:36pm

fore, who was it who started to call the Greys "the Males" when speaking of them?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 30 Apr, 2010, 10:55pm

30 Apr, 2010, 7:36pm, philliman wrote:

fore, who was it who started to call the Greys "the Males" when speaking of them?

I did, several years ago when referring to them in public.

Internally that is how I refer to them but I do not necessarily use the tag in any conversations with the ET's.

They and I share thought patterns when refering to the identity of someone.

Sort of like this:

Think about a rubber ball. In your mind, you are likely to imagine the rubber ball with some level of details and verbalized sounding words.

So in your own head you might think that in an ET conversation you'll primarily be using the spoken word but through thought transmission. While they can do that for accommodation usually the ones I knew/know will instead use a mixture of wordless communication with strong anchor or key points of reference.

So if I am talking about a rubber ball, I first address the idea by rapidly initiating a "Hey you" with markers as to whom is being addressed. It is an equivalent to thinking of a specific psychic pattern instead of a name.

Usually the person will respond in a half second if they are aware or are monitoring your thoughts. Other times they may not respond until days or weeks later which is where a third party will tell you they will forward the message and get back to you or attempt to address it for you specifically.

Anyway, assuming the person is immediately available, the handshake protocol of knowing whom is being addressed occurs anywhere from roughly .5 seconds to 3 or 4 seconds.

In language a handshake in basically where two parties acknowledge that they are speaking to one another.

In the next few seconds you think wordlessly about a rubber ball and it's properties with secondary associated afterthoughts of a query.

Usually the ET will pause for a moment or sometimes with nearly no pause and respond as best as they can about what you are asking.

Neither they tend to use a name nor do you use a name in reference to them. A psychic blueprint of their personality and general composition is more than sufficient to distinguish one entity from another.

They have a more nuanced and speedier thought process so they are seemingly incredibly well adapted to observe the nuances in a thought process as opposed to a off the shelf human being which is seemingly not as incredibly observant.

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I seldom use the name "The Males" unless I am internally talking to myself in a sort of out-loud monologue.

Or

When I am referring specifically to the three Grey individuals in front of other people I use the name to create a human sort of distinction so that people can relate/understand about whom is being spoken.

The easy way I always explain it is that (but I am not totally sure) the ET group I had/have is primarily not verbal. They don't appear to speak out-loud to each other on a common basis.

The advisor described speaking aloud with her voice as (allegedly among her own people) relate-able to an animal making guttural sounds. Base, crude, vulgar, lacking manners....etc.

I kinda laughed when she said that a long time ago but if you take into account how they act and relate and how efficient it is. You would slowly understand why verbalized language slowly takes a back seat to telepathy orientated exchanges.

As well as directed names that are (in practice) often used.

(lots of different conversations I am not covering here)

The advisors people (according to her) have names. But they are....formalities and not used to the same extent that we would use a name in our own culture.

They actually have more than one if I recall correctly.

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If you ask an ET to give you a name. They are likely to pick a very generalized invention.

Like the first name the advisor picked when I asked her what her name was after many years of knowing her was "Jane". ::)

I told her that wasn't acceptable and pretty lame. So she thought it over and gave me a second name which she asked me to keep to myself.

Apparently, that one is also not her textual name. As she explained they have a family name and then they have a personal/private name.

The family name she said is more of a passed down name where the first letter (pre-fix) denotes her family lineage while the rest of the name changes.

The other name she has told me it several times over a long span of time. But it sounds like synchronized or gabled language that my brain does not interpret properly.

But it is the exact same garbled name sequence as it appears to remain exactly the same even as the decades passed.

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If you ask the Greys or the variants about a name. I always got the impression that they were likely to create a fake one on the spot. So I rarely asked.

In the telepathy modes the ET's I knew are using, a name is not that necessary. As in the blink of an eye (at ET cognitive speeds) they can relate a huge level of information and detail about an individual.

So a name is a fairly worthless hollowed out name tag. Though it is really nice to have one every now and then. (at least that is how I think about it)

Edit: Grammar checks

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 1 May, 2010, 11:03am

30 Apr, 2010, 2:00pm, pontificator wrote:

With the third eye structure, from your description its roughly an inch or two in from the surface of the area between the brows,

Just about an inch from the surface when it is inactive.

When it becomes active it'll act like a virtual firehouse by exuding internal influence from deep inside the body. (It's supply of influence comes from a long column from within the interior of the body. Usually following along the same tract just ~in front~ of the spinal column and extending up through the neck and into the skull and somewhat partially turning at a 90 degree turn (sort of) and ejecting influence out through the area called "The third eye".

There are other secondary structures that form the exterior fields and other structures that assist (I assume) in holding the general shape of the EFM field when it is active.

You'll have to specify what you want to know as the list gets fairly long when I think about what I should tell you about this and that.

30 Apr, 2010, 2:00pm, pontificator wrote:

what oscillation rate are we talking about?

We aren't talking about electromagnetics so it cannot really be relayed in that context.

More than anything I memorized the patterns I witnesses and roughly replay them "by ear". (A figure of speech)

30 Apr, 2010, 2:00pm, pontificator wrote:

Is the column horizontal or vertical in orientation?

Depends on the structure.

Both the third eye and side cone-like psychic structures at the temples are horizontal when they are properly maintained.

The ring of intensity floats just above your head detached from the body. It will easily track with the body. It is also horizontal in nature.

Then there are the lessor known bands of energetic discharge that form just on the outside surface of the upper arms as you reach a high enough level of activation. These are vertical stripes on both arms that activate on their own and are seemingly automatic. I am pretty sure they shape, assist and control the formation of EFM psychic fields.

Then there are the back structures which appear just between the inner shoulder blades. Those seem to be used only in modes I don't generally use and have not much knowledge about. I usually only use them to discharge excess influence. They aren't really vertical or horizontal. Somewhat Horizontal I guess.

Then there are the ones at the back of the head that are technically IFM to EFM sort of manipulators. Again I don't know much about them. Those are usually horizontal in orientation.

Then there are the EFM assist structures that form about 4 to 6 inches along the sides of the heads. I know that the ET's use these specific ones to create the sensations of thought transmission. They aren't really vertical or horizontal. Somewhat Horizontal I guess.

30 Apr, 2010, 2:00pm, pontificator wrote:

In terms of imaginative correlation to performing this operation on the third eye, should I use texture, sound or colour? [in order to induce the oscillation]

You should use a combination of mental perception of orientation over certain areas of your IFM psychic field.

If you can track what your influence is doing it would be much easier. The most you could try are stimulating the sides of the third eye structure and seeing if it will become active.

Simply handling it often should be enough to cause it to activate to some limited degree. Though be incredibly delicate and slow about it.

Most people should feel sharp pains when it first activates. Like a sharp needle is directionally poking through their skull for moments at a time. It is normal when contamination start leaking out. Some marks may appear on the surface of the skin in or around the surface of the skin even up to the bridge of the nose.

As the contaminates are excised it may show up as a round redness in that specific area. When the third eye has finished clearing out "the plumbing" it may shift side to side as a diagonal red line. Until it eventually stabilizes and it should rest at the dead center of the skull.

These are topics that 99 out of 100 normal individuals will know little or nothing about. Even the mystics shouldn't know too much about it.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by philliman on 1 May, 2010, 1:48pm

Geeh, fore! A simple "that was me who started to call them 'the Males'" would have been enough.

Now think for yourself why you have chosen to call them like that and not by any other term.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by starduster1 on 1 May, 2010, 4:15pm

Fore,

That was an outStanding Outer Limits!!
Right to the point.

Questions:
If a person has had head trauma, hit in the
back of the head, car accident,whiplash and
different things as these, might that affect
psychic abilities and such?

The pineal gland is in the center of the brain
area ("third eye")and this can be moved and
it's use limited, is there a way to repair this?

And if these area have been affected, how can
one tell, especially if one has ESP and good
intuition and yet knows that blunt force trauma
can injure these delicate areas?

Thanks
Starry*

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 1 May, 2010, 6:13pm

1 May, 2010, 1:48pm, philliman wrote:

Geeh, fore! A simple "that was me who started to call them 'the Males'" would have been enough.

lol, Phil.

I don't know if that's possible; you know he's very thorough when explaining things. Except for when he doesn't answer the question(s) at all.

Just messing with you, Fore...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 1 May, 2010, 10:36pm

1 May, 2010, 1:48pm, philliman wrote:

Geeh, fore! A simple "that was me who started to call them 'the Males'" would have been enough.

Now think for yourself why you have chosen to call them like that and not by any other term.

Because with their psychic mask in place they imitate the psychic impression of a strongly male defined humanoid personality imitation.

Hence, "The Males".

Even the stranger ET's seem to know of whom I am talking about. (Probably by mind reading.)

I refer to the Advisor by title or by psychic blueprint and even the ET strangers recognize of whom is being spoken. And if they don't, usually someone else listening in to the query does.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 1 May, 2010, 10:41pm

1 May, 2010, 6:13pm, dove wrote:

1 May, 2010, 1:48pm, philliman wrote:

Geeh, fore! A simple "that was me who started to call them 'the Males'" would have been enough.

lol, Phil.

I don't know if that's possible; you know he's very thorough when explaining things. Except for when he doesn't answer the question(s) at all.

Just messing with you, Fore...

I prefer to use the method of correlating information together so the person reading adapts properly to my own understanding and experience.

I want to leave as accurate a record of my experiences and enough detail for future readers as they step into my shoes and walk a mile in them.

I usually type with more than you guys in mind.

As I think that true experiencers will easily relate to many bits and pieces in their own experience and take the entire recounting of events and details with significant pause and extended study. Hopefully to one day apply that information to their own ongoing experience.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by philliman on 1 May, 2010, 11:03pm

Thought so. But sometimes even less words would do it.

1 May, 2010, 10:36pm, fore wrote:

Since you do communicate with them telepathically it possibly doesn't matter what you are calling them. The impression you give them consciously or subconsciously about someone possibly tells them all they need to know.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 1 May, 2010, 11:30pm

1 May, 2010, 10:41pm, fore wrote:

I usually type with more than you guys in mind.

As I think that true experiencers will easily relate to many bits and pieces in their own experience and take the entire recounting of events and details with significant pause and extended study. Hopefully to one day apply that information to their own ongoing experience.

I know.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 5 May, 2010, 9:11am

1 May, 2010, 4:15pm, starduster1 wrote:

Fore,

That was an outStanding Outer Limits!!
Right to the point.

Questions:
If a person has had head trauma, hit in the
back of the head, car accident,whiplash and
different things as these, might that affect
psychic abilities and such?

A long time ago the advisor and I had a discussion on this. She told me that as the brain is the lower minds perceptual renderer (basically put) that if the physical mind is damaged it would indeed impact the abilities to render psychic phenomena.

Though if you are in such a predicament then you *might* be able to get around it by creating secondary forms of mechanisms to control psychic phenomena. It might be a workaround and complex but it might work to some extent.

1 May, 2010, 4:15pm, starduster1 wrote:

The pineal gland is in the center of the brain
area ("third eye")and this can be moved and
it's use limited, is there a way to repair this?

There is a (in my view at least) a misconception about the pineal gland.

The structure of the so called "third eye" (mystics popular name) is a non-physical implementation. When I refer to it I am not referring to the brain structure in modern day popular mysticism.

It is my personal belief and understanding that the psychic structure (non-physical) stimulates sensations within the body that does not necessarily mean those associated physical body structures are in any way functionally associated in any standard convention.

Read: I do not believe the pineal gland has much of anything to do with the psychic process. I believe the psychic structure that is popularly called the "Third Eye" is simply a psychic structure that as a by-product creates sensations within and around the brain of the person using it.

But this does not mean that the person should confuse the area of the brain as having anything functionally useful to do with the psychic structure in a strict way.

Clarifying: I mean that the sensations and the functionality may be entirely unrelated. Sure the third eye may be located in a specific area for a reason. But this does not mean that the pineal gland is functionally related to the third eye. It may simply be a sort correlating anatomical location where the psychic structure attaches itself to that location for some given reason.

Maybe because that is where it is functionally viable as bridge between lower and higher order thought processes. (lower = physical biology vs higher = metaphysical structures)

I suspect these structures and sensations act as a form of latent and pre-vestigial forms that will be fully wrought in future advancement in our kind.

I am a believer in a functionally associated biology and meta-physical anatomy system. Apparently I am not alone in this as the ET's treat it as a different level of natural biology.

When some psychics use their abilities they have heart palpitations. It does not necessarily directly mean the heart has anything to do with the functionality of the psychic structure. It may simply mean that the psychic structure is interfering with natural processes found in our biology.

Of course some of these structures intentionally modify biological processes to make that bridge viable.

No doubt the third eye and other psychic structures modify brain functions and patterns to artificially create altered or induce perceptual states. But if your lung itches from psychic activity....it doesn't necessarily mean your lungs are somehow a special structure.

1 May, 2010, 4:15pm, starduster1 wrote:

And if these area have been affected, how can
one tell, especially if one has ESP and good
intuition and yet knows that blunt force trauma
can injure these delicate areas?

Thanks
Starry*

At a certain level of activation your non-physical body will release enough influence inside and outside of you that you can use these as virtual sensory phenomena.

Hold on to your seat for the explanation:

In my case, if I wanted to feel internal structures within my skull or in area where I do not have sensation of an area. There are multiple techniques to apply to determine the status of a physical area of your body. It depends on your own level of psychic awareness.

--You could use both external and internal psychic influence compressions of lightly psychokinetic formations and pass them through the interior of your body.

This is like taking a psychic emission and compressing it enough into a flat shape and passing it through your body laterally or longitudinally.

You can then use that in one of two ways.

1)The psychokinetic structures will artificially create graduated physical tissue anomalies that will feel like a slow moving pressure wave going through the innards of your body. With the lower mind you can use that to draw a mental picture of what the structures feel like and determine what (if any) anomalies are present.

2)The other way is to flip the perceptual equation and instead use the higher mind and direct psychic feedback to filter the information and tell you what it noticed is outside of normal.

# 1 induces phenomena for the body to register internal sensations.

# 2 uses advanced psychic techniques to automatically locate what anomalies are present in the body.

There are various different diagnostic types for either yourself or a second party. Psychic competence is required for the higher forms.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 5 May, 2010, 9:18am

I wonder if the ET's are ever allowing me to write about this stuff as a sort of training course in perfecting my ability to explain related phenomena to other suitable candidates in the future??

Now that would be strange. Sure is nice to have the practice??

Then again, they wouldn't need me as they can do the same and alot better too... <shrug, scraps possible idea>

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 5 May, 2010, 11:52am

Might I suggest they want you to write it now?

Its quite possible that the time is ripe to activate some people who will understand and implement this information. The outcome of that suggests things about the near-term, namely they might not have time otherwise.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 5 May, 2010, 1:57pm

How do you exclude the people you don't want to have access to certain information though?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 5 May, 2010, 7:27pm

Your explanations are complicated enough I think that weeds out enough people

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 5 May, 2010, 8:38pm

Also, in their current format, the content is completely unrestricted.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 6 May, 2010, 1:11pm

5 May, 2010, 11:52am, pontificator wrote:

Might I suggest they want you to write it now?

Its quite possible that the time is ripe to activate some people who will understand and implement this information. The outcome of that suggests things about the near-term, namely they might not have time otherwise.

I don't really have any agenda to assist anyone to activate any ESP faculties.

Well, beyond you I mean.

I am contemplating how many people will get lost as was recently mentioned.

I keep thinking that even if they get initially lost in the explanations the individuals couldn't stay lost as to what is being said after reading more and more.

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Right now I am thinking that it might not matter in either case. Though I don't think the ET's I know will let it slide if I start sharing that kind of information. I am not worried about what will happen to me.

I am more worried about people developing abnormally as my first concern.

My second concern is what happens when they do develop without oversight.

Then followed by what may happen to them if the ET's decide they need "hands-on" management over certain individuals.

There is no reason to believe it won't happen to some limited extent. Though I feel particularly weary to share some of that info for a wide range of reasons.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 6 May, 2010, 4:33pm

Oh snap!, I didn't know you could somehow help me augment the development of my own psychical prowess.

You mean training exercises or just information you are holding back?

See....

I am confused again, because it is implied it is the latter; that you are simply not telling us certain very important things. And that just breaks down to bits of information. Which should be completely unnecessary once a person is activated. One's development seems to be up to them entirely and along their own set path.

Like X-Men, each has a different power. For instance the way I am psychic seems to differ from the way everyone else explains it.

Like individual connections that they can focus on a certain other individual for communication.

In my experience this is not the way it works. And every experience I have had along those lines is very very strange, like voices etc. Whereas other experiences that may sound bizarre seem to me to be natural.

I'll explain, and see if it makes any sense....

My earliest memories are not of images in reality, like mother, or a stuffed animal... its thoughts. Simultaneous thoughts of up to four different things viewable on a virtual console of sorts inside my brain divided into four screens that I can look at. Right?

Weird. I know.

But now i think differently. There is only one thing, one thought at a time. But there is always a presence of other things going on in my brain, and if i concentrate i can see more of this four-pronged thought console.... if you will.

It occurred while playing basketball. When you play sports you become extremely focused and relaxed, and concentrating thusly i realized... after many many years of tiny steps toward this 'eureka' moment... that there is inside my brain something i can watch that reveals the future.

I was on a fast break, dribbling down the court, and all of a sudden time basically stopped but my thoughts kept going, "Should I go right? Should I go left? Should I fake this way or that or crossover?" Whatever it was that i was thinking in limbo seemed to unfold before my eyes in my head. And thus i could literally choose the best course of action. But thats not entirely right. It seemed and still seems like there is no choice but the optimal. It is like I am being shown the optimal future, that I can then choose to do or not.

It is very rare that I am so focused that i can see the future in such a clear way. But like I said, it is always there in my mind.

And since then, it has happened more and more, and my understanding of it has become clearer and clearer.

And it seems inevitable that eventually I may with ease peer moments and more... into the future.

But thats like only the second of the four. There is more but I cant remember what they were. I only know there are two more. The first being thought in real time. The second, a type of tale-of-the-future...

Time will tell. But I think I have to use what I have learned about the future and apply it to take the next step.

And thus, psychical power is for me defined.

I dont understand when people talk about how they define psychicness.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 7 May, 2010, 2:10am

6 May, 2010, 4:33pm, dylan wrote:

Oh snap!, I didn't know you could somehow help me augment the development of my own psychical prowess.

You mean training exercises or just information you are holding back?

Both.

6 May, 2010, 4:33pm, dylan wrote:

See....

I am confused again, because it is implied it is the latter; that you are simply not telling us certain very important things.

I don't know why that would surprise anyone as just about everyone knows that is the case. It's never been a secret from the very beginning.

6 May, 2010, 4:33pm, dylan wrote:

And that just breaks down to bits of information. Which should be completely unnecessary once a person is activated.

How do you figure?

If I take your statement in one way...I figure you aren't at all aware of the inherent dangers and complexities to developing psychic abilities or ESP.

People are pretty fragile from what I can see.

It seems many of the people whom have psychic developments tend to develop problems of different kinds. (no, don't ask me to list them.)

6 May, 2010, 4:33pm, dylan wrote:

One's development seems to be up to them entirely and along their own set path.[/quote[ That is a very philosophical way of putting it.

I don't really ascribe any destiny or fate in terms of psychic development.

[quote author=dylan board=research thread=1953 post=251877 time=1273156391]Like X-Men, each has a different power.

I don't see the resemblence at all. And it is nothing like science fiction.

I wish there were science fiction writers whom would write within the context of actual phenomena. It would probably both rattle the populace and confuse them about the natural world they live in.

It would also bring home the point when they come across it in real life.

Then again, that wouldn't be fiction anymore I guess...

6 May, 2010, 4:33pm, dylan wrote:

For instance the way I am psychic seems to differ from the way everyone else explains it.

Like individual connections that they can focus on a certain other individual for communication.

In my experience this is not the way it works. And every experience I have had along those lines is very very strange, like voices etc. Whereas other experiences that may sound bizarre seem to me to be natural.

I'll explain, and see if it makes any sense....

You must recall and keep in mind that I am often times oversimplifying explanations for the sake of people whom come to read.

There are countless nuances that are being left out of my writings and many pertain to relevant points. I don't intend to create or assist new psychics in a frivolous manner.

Some of the details are direct from the ET's themselves and they don't appreciate it being shared beyond myself.

Another point is that there are numerous instances where people are pre-disposed to review ESP information in different ways.

The basis is generally the same. The people and their perspective, strength and weaknesses change slightly within those confines.

Though I do keep in mind that there may be other kinds of psychics that do not necessarily perform their talents in the same way as my alien derived talents do.

6 May, 2010, 4:33pm, dylan wrote:

My earliest memories are not of images in reality, like mother, or a stuffed animal... its thoughts. Simultaneous thoughts of up to four different things viewable on a virtual console of sorts inside my brain divided into four screens that I can look at. Right?

Weird. I know.

But now i think differently. There is only one thing, one thought at a time. But there is always a presence of other things going on in my brain, and if i concentrate i can see more of this four-pronged thought console.... if you will.

It occurred while playing basketball. When you play sports you become extremely focused and relaxed, and concentrating thusly i realized... after many many years of tiny steps toward this 'eureka' moment... that there is inside my brain something i can watch that reveals the future.

I was on a fast break, dribbling down the court, and all of a sudden time basically stopped but my thoughts kept going, "Should I go right? Should I go left? Should I fake this way or that or crossover?" Whatever it was that i was thinking in limbo seemed to unfold before my eyes in my head. And thus i could literally choose the best course of action. But thats not entirely right. It seemed and still seems like there is no choice but the optimal. It is like I am being shown the optimal future, that I can then choose to do or not.

It is very rare that I am so focused that i can see the future in such a clear way. But like I said, it is always there in my mind.

And since then, it has happened more and more, and my understanding of it has become clearer and clearer.

And it seems inevitable that eventually I may with ease peer moments and more... into the future.

But thats like only the second of the four. There is more but I cant remember what they were. I only know there are two more. The first being thought in real time. The second, a type of tale-of-the-future...

Time will tell. But I think I have to use what I have learned about the future and apply it to take the next step.

And thus, psychical power is for me defined.

I dont understand when people talk about how they define psychicness.

That is your internal perceptual processes.

This is where some of my secrets and those of the advisor are kept hidden from any open explanations or examination.

From most of my writings most people have the descriptions of the virtual SUV but not the keys for the ignition. So they can marvel at the interior workings of the SUV but they can't drive it.

My ET group has long since impressed upon me the dangers of spreading a working knowledge of certain key aspects of psychic performances.

While they may not be worried for the same reasons that I am worried about. I have my own defined reasoning for keeping the keys out of many peoples hands.

==================================================

The advisor specifically inculcated a sort of entrapment policy in my own case from what I have examined. An inescapable condition of emotional and mental entrapment that were probably designed to keep me from acting out needlessly 9 out of 10 times.

--I won't do harm to other people by using psychic means. Not even if I am really invested emotionally in the outcome.

My definition of "harm" is wide is scope. Everything from creating aberrations in behavior in others by showing them how to do certain things all the way to religious grounds of not inducing others into "occult-like" practices.

If I didn't possess some of those raw personality traits I doubt they would have taken it as far as they did. They know me enough to know I won't intentionally do something which I perceive as leading to "harm". Especially the advisor.

If you own personal desires preclude certain behaviors and certain optional paths. Then, you are effectively entrapped in a seemingly inescapable conditioning of mental and emotional traps that will never easily allow you to enact a premise to it's conclusion.

This boxed-in behavior is something which the advisor utilized to gain cooperation and limit my behaviors. Until the unyielding behaviors change I won't likely be doing anything harmful in the near future.

===================================================

Psychic abilities are tethered to other dangerous phenomena or conditions. Much of it is dangerous or tricky to pass by unscathed.

It affects you, your family, your friends and your life path. I do not have any conclusive reason to assume in 99% of OMFer's that they will successfully make it through unscathed.

Q: Why exactly would I show the majority how to activate their abilities?

A: I wouldn't. Only if someone showed comprehensive competence would I even try.

If anyone would like to change the mind games that preclude my typical actions then please use abundant amounts of "SPIN".

I am sure I can be convinced in some manner if the person can spin it convincingly and logically. Though, I am sure my ET group (if they are still watching) will pounce immediately on anyone who does try to unravel some of their mental and emotional entrapment techniques.

I am not at all responsible for anyone who does try. But I do welcome it. It might radically (and permanently) allow for a change of my perspectives.

I am sure THEY will get a kick out of that. :-X

P.S. Yes, I am taunting someone to do me a favor.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dreamoftheiris on 7 May, 2010, 3:46am

Quote:

That is your internal perceptual processes.

This is where some of my secrets and those of the advisor are kept hidden from any open explanations or examination.

How about your method of checks and balance?

How do you filter what is coming in from what you perceive internally?

What is your "dashboard" like?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by pontificator on 7 May, 2010, 1:11pm

That layer and search technique is really good. I need to practice with it a bit more as it makes me really tired very fast [but I've not been getting much sleep lately, too much work].

However, when grid searching with it I find it sets off all sorts of things that I've not played with, so I've been getting "oh, now whats this" *puts a couple of layers atop of it to get an idea of its structure* *realizes that its full of psychic garbage that has not been cleared out* "Ayyyiiiieee the right side of my head is on fire!"

Needless to say, it has been "fun" so far. The ones near the eye sockets are definitely there, and they need clearing as well... but the prospect of feeling as though I've shoved a glass shard out of my eye is a little off-putting... I'll let you know as things progress.

Fore, read up on stockholm syndrome, and explain how it is not related to what has happened to you so far [it will be a good mental exercise].

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wynderer on 7 May, 2010, 2:13pm

Hi Fore -- please don't take this as an attack -- but your woman ET advisor/teacher seems rather cold emotionally

also -- i have to say this -- are greater psychic powers really all that important? i would think learning how to love more, & to be more compassionate, are more important

when we leave this world/dimension, those of us who manage to get free, we'll regain our natural psy abilities anyway

when i was younger i really wanted greater psy abilities -- now i try to keep those i have damped down -- the less i pick up in this dark & demented world, the better, for me

[edit: & my belief is that it is wrong, not the right thing, to use one's psy abilities to read or influence another's mind -- stepping over the free will line]

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by valandur on 7 May, 2010, 3:53pm

7 May, 2010, 2:10am, fore wrote:

I wish there were science fiction writers whom would write within the context of actual phenomena. It would probably both rattle the populace and confuse them about the natural world they live in.

It would also bring home the point when they come across it in real life.

Then again, that wouldn't be fiction anymore I guess...

http://www.amazon.com/Surveillance-Inter....3240272&sr=8- 3

Actually, this is the 3ed book in a series, but the first two take place within a very different context. Very well written, almost makes me wonder where she got her inspiration eh?

Regards,

Valandur

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dylan on 7 May, 2010, 4:11pm

Quote:

If I take your statement in one way...I figure you aren't at all aware of the inherent dangers and complexities to developing psychic abilities or ESP.

Correct. You are reading it as intended. I am unaware of any inherent danger. Inherent. Inherent. To my mind or my person.

And after all this time I still don't understand what you mean.

I have to presume that you are looking at your own experiences and imagining or revisiting the emotional element YOU faced when knowing your future and the future of others.

Not everyone is so deeply effected. And not everyone's future sucks so bad. And not everyone looks at a doomed sequence of events and becomes dispondent, others become fey or hardened... or even encouraged.

But I wonder, because every experience I have ever had has been completely devoid of an emotional element. It has occurred at a level where the ego does not even factor in. And oddly enough choice also does not seem to factor in. It seems like things are optimized, and then I may choose between degrees of the optimal.

But when you are referring to dangers. I presume you are referring to a number of things such as messing up timelines, or emotional damage to one's own psyche with this new and added knowledge and power over others. I am ruling out tumors.

But as for the former... the psychological pressure. If this is one of your own personal concerns about sharing things, I assure you, you underestimate humans. Not everyone is such a softie as you are.

Quote:

If anyone would like to change the mind games that preclude my typical actions then please use abundant amounts of SPIN.
I am sure I can be convinced in some manner if the person can spin it convincingly and logically. Though, I am sure my ET group (if they are still watching) will pounce immediately on anyone who does try to unravel some of their mental and emotional entrapment techniques.

I am not at all responsible for anyone who does try. But I do welcome it. It might radically (and permanently) allow for a change of my perspectives.

I am sure THEY will get a kick out of that. :-X

P.S. Yes, I am taunting someone to do me a favor.

I'd do you a favour if i knew what the hell you meant.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by wynderer on 7 May, 2010, 4:25pm

Hi Fore -- in the doing you a favor category: you could tell them that you don't need their help for your psychic development -- that would weaken their hold over you -- it sounds like psy growth is the carrot on the stick they hold in front of you, the individual -- the same way the 'exopoliticians' hold free energy out to groups/humanity as a whole

as i deal w/Reptilian & sometimes Draco harrassment, nasty stuff from your Greys i can probably deal with -- likely your Greys are under Rep control/orders anyway

[edit to add that i am not challenging your Greys -- & Fore -- do you really want to spend time w/beings who are so hostile & aggressive to others who might make them lose some of their control over you? not saying i'm one -- but in general?]

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 7 May, 2010, 4:36pm

7 May, 2010, 4:25pm, wynderer wrote:

as i deal w/Reptilian & sometimes Draco harrassment, nasty stuff from your Greys i can probably deal with -- likely your Greys are under Rep control/orders anyway

That's pretty much what I think (is at least a strong possibility).

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 7 May, 2010, 4:38pm

7 May, 2010, 4:11pm, dylan wrote:

But as for the former... the psychological pressure. If this is one of your own personal concerns about sharing things, I assure you, you underestimate humans. Not everyone is such a softie as you are.

Quote:

I am sure THEY will get a kick out of that. :-X

P.S. Yes, I am taunting someone to do me a favor.

I'd do you a favour if i knew what the hell you meant.

lol

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by arkwright on 7 May, 2010, 11:00pm

Fore, I think you are used as controlled venue of slow release of information.
You sometimes burst in to long posts, and then stop and quietly suddenly. You passed some questions and dwell into others. I've observed that this has happened more the less psi-active you've become. I assume that with lesser skills you've become more vulnerable and unobservant to observe subtle emotional manipulations. They use logical and emotional spin to press on your general goodwill to quiet you on things they find inconvenient. Often they are right, there are things that shouldn't be dwelled in public too much, but I assume that this agreement is stretched commonly. Its rare that the information is high on the harmfulness scale. But it is exhausting to debate the harmfulness of each subject separately - so that "this too, is harmful too" might get used where it doesn't apply. I assume this angle is played on you so that you won't be such a bother most of the time. And then sometimes, when they decide, they leave you unhassled when it suits their situational needs. (at least by what you can observe)

Do you think you can notice thought inseminations as well now-days as you used to?
Do you observe any programming to forget or be disinterested in some topics or questions?
When you feel unobserved - do you think they can sneak in subtle thought inseminations of what topics to talk or not talk about?
Have you checked your mind for any recent new thoughts, attitudes, emotions, agreements or programming that you were not aware of?
Can they subtly affect your interconnect without you noticing - taking in account your current level of activation?

They have thight valve on you. Come-on, build up some defences so that they can't flick your concentration and memory off as easily as they do now. How they do that? Its a logical process and you can figure out how it works, where its initiated and how it can be guarded against. Resist and build defences!

This is just baseless assumption, but I think you are used as somewhat controlled venue of information release. All that you've been told is already knew by humans somewhere. There will be justification to have all that information to be released to the public as well, but it is to be done so that it wont affect their probability vectors.
They have emotional-logical control valve on you. Though you've revealed so much already, there is still lots withheld, critical knowledge that you'll probably reveal when the timing is right for them. During the times you think you've been left alone you might be manipulated on ways that you're not aware of, or you are left to act on thoughts and programming implanted earlier.

Also, you are some form of audience control. Your content is hight-quality. Straight teachings directly from aliens told understandably trough a channel with a bullcrap-filter. Slow drip of high-quality content keeps audience addicted here so it might not search so much elsewhere.
Do you know any other channels that have been taught the same and who reveal their lessons in open. Someone who could complete the pieces you've laid on table - for example add to the discussion of translation tables and translation gates? Does anyone know someone who speaks of that topic in same concepts?

I think you should separate yourself from the agenda of your now distant group and start acting on your own agenda. Blind rebellion for sake of it is useless. Have a long term plan. If it is within your aim to reveal and get people to resist manipulating alien mindgames, step up on it. Do it first on yourself and then tell others how-to. I bet you can teach some mind self defence without breaching to psi-activation.
Or, you used to like messing with demons and their games - you could still throw a monkey-wrench to their gears, if that is what you think is right to do.

You got high-class background and are wasting its potential. Rip off your binds, organise your agenda, find the right contacts and get on it. You can do way more than just blabber here occasionally - do something significant. Stop being a drip-valve and cause a stir, or rather, a targeted wave!
---

Any good for that prep-talk?
I felt tingle in my left ear when writing that and I dwelled where it felt strongest. Notice the aim to activate you on several levels.

but I agree.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 8 May, 2010, 12:28am

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Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 9 May, 2010, 10:43am

7 May, 2010, 2:10am, fore wrote:

Another point is that there are numerous instances where people are pre-disposed to review ESP information in different ways.

The basis is generally the same. The people and their perspective, strength and weaknesses change slightly within those confines.

Though I do keep in mind that there may be other kinds of psychics that do not necessarily perform their talents in the same way as my alien derived talents do.

Good crap fore, now i can reply and didn't have to point that out,

I was thinking one day how much they hid from you regarding psi, what got me thinking that before you pointed it out, there are alot of different ways to approach the same things, and i just figured the aliens dont teach the same way.

Personally I believe that what you know about psi is only a piece. And there are still some big elements being kept ignorant on.

I'm sure you've thought the same at somepoint.

It's just hard to trust aliens, no matter how hard you want to be able to let go. Thats how i feel anyways.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 10 May, 2010, 1:53am

I have thought the same point. There is obviously still alot I don't know.

The ET's I know/knew approach it from a generally technical standpoint. Most people from our good green earth tend to approach it from a cultural or mysticism standpoint. Needless to say, the cultural and mysticism points of view have a lots of unnecessary non-sense derived architecture built into them.

ET's appear to be interested in keeping it that way as it (in my personal viewpoint) keeps the people of the Earth completely ignorant about what they actually see and understand when people come into contact with ET aliens and their lifestyles.

It appears to me that even the benevolent ET keep obvious secrets from the way their contacts are managed.

I guess it doesn't pay well into many diverse agendas for human beings to properly perceive events and the hidden activities and motives behind them.

====================================================================

I'd be interested in interacting with a genuinely benevolent group. I'd like to give their human subjects some experimental ranges of questions just to see how the ET's react to the additional information.

I'd also like to see how the relationship between human and alien changes as the human subject becomes aware of deeper facets of the alien paradigm.

Would the relationship break down or grow stronger? How would previous interactions be seen in light of new information? How would the benevolent ET's involved in that subjects experiences adapt to the curtains being removed from the subjects eyes?

Will they censor the questions and react like a malevolent ET?

I'd like to know....!

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by starduster1 on 10 May, 2010, 5:24pm

5 May, 2010, 9:11am, fore wrote:

1 May, 2010, 4:15pm, starduster1 wrote:

Fore,

That was an outStanding Outer Limits!!
Right to the point.

Yeah, I thought it was interesting.

Especially when the lady psychic started giving the other nannys a headache and convincing them to leave. That reminded me some of different real life situations.

A long time ago the advisor and I had a discussion on this. She told me that as the brain is the lower minds perceptual renderer (basically put) that if the physical mind is damaged it would indeed impact the abilities to render psychic phenomena.

Though if you are in such a predicament then you *might* be able to get around it by creating secondary forms of mechanisms to control psychic phenomena. It might be a workaround and complex but it might work to some extent.

There is a (in my view at least) a misconception about the pineal gland.

The structure of the so called "third eye" (mystics popular name) is a non-physical implementation. When I refer to it I am not referring to the brain structure in modern day popular mysticism.

It is my personal belief and understanding that the psychic structure (non-physical) stimulates sensations within the body that does not necessarily mean those associated physical body structures are in any way functionally associated in any standard convention.

Read: I do not believe the pineal gland has much of anything to do with the psychic process. I believe the psychic structure that is popularly called the "Third Eye" is simply a psychic structure that as a by-product creates sensations within and around the brain of the person using it.

But this does not mean that the person should confuse the area of the brain as having anything functionally useful to do with the psychic structure in a strict way.

Clarifying: I mean that the sensations and the functionality may be entirely unrelated. Sure the third eye may be located in a specific area for a reason. But this does not mean that the pineal gland is functionally related to the third eye. It may simply be a sort correlating anatomical location where the psychic structure attaches itself to that location for some given reason.

Maybe because that is where it is functionally viable as bridge between lower and higher order thought processes. (lower = physical biology vs higher = metaphysical structures)

I suspect these structures and sensations act as a form of latent and pre-vestigial forms that will be fully wrought in future advancement in our kind.

I am a believer in a functionally associated biology and meta-physical anatomy system. Apparently I am not alone in this as the ET's treat it as a different level of natural biology.

When some psychics use their abilities they have heart palpitations. It does not necessarily directly mean the heart has anything to do with the functionality of the psychic structure. It may simply mean that the psychic structure is interfering with natural processes found in our biology.

Of course some of these structures intentionally modify biological processes to make that bridge viable.

No doubt the third eye and other psychic structures modify brain functions and patterns to artificially create altered or induce perceptual states. But if your lung itches from psychic activity....it doesn't necessarily mean your lungs are somehow a special structure.

1 May, 2010, 4:15pm, starduster1 wrote:

And if these area have been affected, how can
one tell, especially if one has ESP and good
intuition and yet knows that blunt force trauma
can injure these delicate areas?

Thanks
Starry*

Hey Fore..

I read this around the 7th and I didn't have the time
to answer and I wanted to

Thank You

for answering.

I remember when we chatted in the Open Minds chat,
and I know you felt my heart extended towards you
and we had a very nice chat with others that day.
The vibration between you and I was a buzzy hummy
kind of feeling. I enjoyed that conversation very much.
That was the first time here that we connected.

So once again..
Thanks for your indepth answer.

Oh and I forgot to say...
Of course you realise you broke my mind.. lol

I'll have to read and re read this from time to time.

. ` 'Reminds self when asking Fore something,
to ask him to break it down- down--Way down-
when he responds` ' .
...lol lol...

Always Love
Starduster*RE

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 11 May, 2010, 1:13am

10 May, 2010, 1:53am, fore wrote:

Will they censor the questions and react like a malevolent ET?

I'd like to know....!

The labels are getting to me from the start. I guess the determining factor. When it comes to this group is benevolent, this group is malevolent.

When I try to establish that line of determination between bene/male ET. I just feel I can't, because I don't real know whats going on.

But then I think of it in an aliens POV. They're just aliens being aliens.

Maybe its just me I can't deal with the "This is good, this is bad". When I just think it is what it is...

My point of view on how it all started...

We are all one thing, just think of 1. We as 1 decided to experience separation aka the 1st consciousness and from there , there was the big bang.

Because think about it if everything is ONE, then nothing else can exist besides the ONE existence which basically is a void because nothing else can exist so one becomes zero.

So once something separates from one, then its just natural that 23456789 all come along instantly(bigbang).

So basically we are gonna end up where we started no matter what. And what happened won't matter. It only matters here, in separation.

So yes I understand as an individual I have to stand somewhere be a role in something to be part of the clashing of wills (aka existence, separation), but I know it doesn't matter, it only does here.

But then I realized today, the only reason everything exist is because we cant stop our wills from clashing. The will to pick a role an agenda which cant be without an opposing role/agenda.

So i would like to say that I rather nothing existed.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by starduster1 on 11 May, 2010, 8:23pm

hi 369

I rather like the fact we exist. The One to me is
the Creator. What ever one calls the Creator is
their choice because in this existance we have free
will. Some feel there is non Creator.

I like to think that we are in the mind of a Creator.
I look at space like Creators plasma or blood. So we
are in the Creator.
"We are Never With out..the Creator"*RE.
Everything that Creator can think of, is then possible for
us.
There are many lessons and adventures and stepping
stones. If we are here, it's because Creators mind can
think on many terms.

There may be more then one Creator and that Other One
I have thought to be how I see the Holy Spirit. This part
is to me, like a wife or Spirit partner. It feels to me like
they are a joined partnership, who are with us on a creative adventure. There are good things to experience and things
that are aweful and so this is where choice comes in.
Each life we are indulged to live, challenges and changes the experience we had before. Stepping stones along the way.

Like a computer program of a game. We begin and don't
know how we will play out the game. At first we get stuck
and go back and begin again. As we find the pitfalls of the
game, we get get better at moving away from them,
going around them. We realise how Not to go back to the
beginning so fast.
Oh sometimes we fall, even when we know how to
play the game well.
Other players may be faster then we are.
There are many of us playing the game along With Creator. Creator gives us so many things to do and we are also able,
and capable of being the ones to think of things for ourselves.

Creator doesn't stand over us controlling us along the way.
It's up to us players, how we Choose to play the games
given to us, and or the ones We ourselves create.

Anytime we choose to eliminate ourselves from a
particular game, and because there are certain rules we
learn to follow..maybe we go back to the start and have
to try the game again..that is, the game we chose to leave from..as in choosing to expire our own selves from life.
We may learn, that it's better to play out a game, even
if it's hard. No matter what, remember, we are all Winners
at the beginning of every Game of Life.
Because we once, each of us here, Began as an egg and
a sperm. I say this in a decent way to show how this
experience begins for us here in this game of Life on Earth.
One egg was chosen and one sperm swam through
hard to reach that egg and began a life. Winner.
So each of us here are Winners from the start of our life.

The fact, we talk about Aliens here, may be because we
really want to know more about this so called Creator.
We wish to know what they feel or think on this subject.
Why?
Because even with so many "like us" in this experience,
if there Are others and even if they look and act different,
there may be things we have in common.

Maybe we'll find we don't like them and that they are
too different at first. Then again..we may be facinated by
what they know and have found out about life. After all,
they are experiencers too.

Existance Is, IS Even with all it's twists and turns.
Even when it gets so hard you think you have no more
in you to continue......
This existance is "Amazing".

After we are strong enough to see another sunrise..
After we find the strength to see another smile...

If aliens exist we will experience them. That in turn,will
also be their experience. We ALL learn from One another.

I am grateful that I had the chance to win the race to life
here on Earth and I look forward to the Next Great Adventure

and the next Fantastic Voyage.
WE all become story tellers, all telling each other of our
lifetimes together.

For the One... Is in us all.

.`' Spark'`.

Always LOVE
Starduster* RitaE
8-)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by 369 on 12 May, 2010, 7:52am

Ok when I was referring to separation, actually I'll put it this way...

When it ends it will be like it was never there. Meaning separation is an illusion. Time gives us free will, but since everything is one, it is predetermined in the state of one.

Because while its separated within all our consciousnesses it still is one at the same time.

Because separation is consciousness.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by starduster1 on 12 May, 2010, 5:01pm

Separation is a way
to Experience
on the path of Life.
Instead of The One
experiencing as One,
The One
chose to create
Many ONES.
Many Mirrors of self
and Yet
as One.
..Usually..
Each One
forgets their previous
..experience..
whereby
allowing self
to continue each path.
Each One faces Another One..
and the One self each day.
Only to go back
after a lifetime,
to Re Member
that this One self
is a part of the Whole
of THEE One.

It's All Good
Peace
*

Just my thoughts
now back
to Fores' experiences...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 5 Aug, 2010, 3:19am

4 Aug, 2010, 12:52am, fore wrote:

Those forms of defense require that your abilities be largely "active". Which mine are no longer in that state. Therefore there is practically nothing I can do about it in a defensive way.

I also do not think they are nearly as good a defense measure as many psychic purport it to be. 2~1.5 months ago I tested calling out to God to keep me safe from a different incursion. It was just one entity.

Every time I did it was seemingly pulled away as if something unknown responded by creating boundaries at a safe distance.

In either case, it worked much more efficiently and with more frequency than any form of "psychic shielding".

....

God/Christ beats any class of psychic shielding. But it has unintended consequences/reactions.

I'm sure a few people would disagree with you.

Quote:

Though I want someone to help me in dealing with a subconscious restriction that likely comes from the ET's. Wherein if I think about documenting things I think too long and hard about the consequences of showing these things to people.

I don't want to be looked at in a negative light because I share these things. I haven't yet found a way to overcome the strong suggestions not to document anything.

Ponti should be able to help you with that.

Quote:

3 Aug, 2010, 3:49pm, dove wrote:

Idk, it just seemed strange to hear. This coming from someone who doesn't 'pray' like most people do (to the same G-d, that is; I talk to GOD, or Big G, as I call it/him/her/them) or have a faith in the man/spirit called Jesus (though if he's one of the 'good guys' then he might automatically be included in the group I've called for when I've *really, really* needed help);

I have noticed that God only listens if deep down you actually mean it.

If you simply think it, it is ignored or simply not received in some way. You need to "mean it" deep down for it to be received.

Why would that thought even cross your mind? What makes you think I don't 'mean it'? Because I question the bible? That doesn't mean I don't have an understanding of GOD. I try to, at least. I know that we came from somewhere, and I know that it's something that cares about us. I know that I'm part of something that hears me when I talk to it/them/him/her.

Quote:

3 Aug, 2010, 3:49pm, dove wrote:

someone who was NOT raised by ET (therefore I wasn't taught any nifty tricks throughout my life, and/or I don't have anyone like that to call by name so that they can clear my space), and whose energetic facilities have been mostly disabled due to a neurological (energetic?) impairment---who has also had to deal with what we think of as demons nearly every day for about a year and a half now, and believe me I've had some bad SOBs checking me out before.

Neurological?

I dunno where you are coming from dove.

Eh? Surely you know what neurological means.

I was referring to myself still at that point; you realize that, correct? Perhaps you just weren't reading along when I previously told you about the damage that was done?

Quote:

3 Aug, 2010, 3:49pm, dove wrote:

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At any rate, I did have a chat with Big G, and asked it/him/her/them to send the advisor to your place and clear the space for you..

Thanks.

You're welcome. Let's just hope I don't have to get on my knees and pray, or else GOD didn't hear me.. Maybe the advisor did, though.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 5 Aug, 2010, 3:35pm

4 Aug, 2010, 8:53pm, mdonnall2002 wrote:

@Fore:

Did you ever elaborate on what made you think you had two advisors at your youngest years?

A long time ago, I dunno specifically when.

I noticed that when I looked at a specific kind of blond woman with specific features it was making me recall something incomplete.

Mentally, as you look at the face of this woman you stand there transfixed as if it's so interesting but you don't know why. As if something is going to be recalled but something is holding it back and obfuscating it.

You get these wierd sensations in your head physically and your mind, that makes you feel like something is going to burst forth from a Dam.

It's as if something like a memory block is keeping it all at bay and you feel the information at the "tip of your tongue" as if your mind is going to blurt out something that is not completely being remembered.

It's intense as if your attention is drawn to that face for some reason, it's familiar...somehow.

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A specific style of hair, with a specific face that is not common makes my mind flash the idea of "the Advisor".

You feel in your mind like there are mental pointers to information that is seemingly under lock and key as if it were inside a special container that is keeping you from remembering enough to bring down the wall.

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But then a strange thing happened.

A second face, not anything like the first made me remember something like the Advisor.

Like as if there were two of her. Two different faces. One is more prominent than the other.

As if I have had two Advisors. Though from my present recall I only remember one Advisor ever having been at my side. The blond woman with straight hair whom for some reason I do not recall being super pretty or anything.

I dunno why that thought floats to the surface. I don't have anything to base it on. But that is what the leaks point to and make me feel and experience.

It's like you are peering into a crack in the edifice the size of a keyhole and you can only look inside when you see the familiar features of this specific kind of blond.

Features that I recall on my own but the face eludes me.

Though the fragments fill in aspects of her face. But incompletely.

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So far when I look at specific blonds faces with a specific hair style.

I recall in the face fragments of:

Warmth, Safety, a kinda plain looking face that is not ugly nor pretty, incredible importance, something like talking or communication and long term agreement.

Then comes associated with the fragments something which is associated not with the face, but a specific circumstance:

Indescribable fear follows. Terror. As if your about to remember something you never want to remember ever again.

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I have had to look away from these womens face because the fear is so paralyzing. It feels like you are going to drown in it if you look for too long.

Something about the circumstance of one specific moment made things so terrible. It's like a remnant association that doesn't make sense.

You don't want to think about it because you know there is something so frightening that you never want to remember it ever again.

That simply forgetting is good enough. Somehow it is like forgetting feels like a "Triumph".

(I swear I don't know where these feelings or thoughts come from)

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 5 Aug, 2010, 4:04pm

If you allow me to ramble for a bit I can give you a complete picture to date of what is hidden behind the curtain.

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Such terror builds up inside me that I simply cannot remember. It's like undoing a fix that you asked for and then forgot.

Whatever it is so palpable and frightening that dissuades you from wanting to touch it because it feels like it is so revealing that you won't know how to handle it if you take it on.

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My brother appears to know what the Advisor looks like in the same way I do, but we don't know what her face is like.

My mother in the same way. Like someone took photoshop to our memories and wiped out segments of events.

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Another thing is how I feel sometimes that I have met people with unusual hair and faces. Young looking individuals but it's like the long forgotten thoughts or memories are now faded and aren't as important.

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Another trigger is a specific color a metallic gray. It's not polished with like a sort of flat gray.

Something about it looking at it on a handful of occasions (including one last month) made me recall something so incomplete.

Something like as if I were looking downwards. Fragments that I cannot make sense of. I keep recalling seeing a curving surface but I do not know what it is. Is it a head, or a metal part? I do not know.

====================================================================

Along with that, since I was small, the Color Gray and a very Deep Blue as if it were a light source or something....the colors itslef mean something to me. But I don't recall what.

Sometimes I get sparks of seeing the side of a womans thigh wearing blue as if I were looking up at it or something. Not at a steep angle but like fragments of someone approaching you and you are paying attention to a womans leg for some reason.

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I assume it may be pieces of a memory from before 5 years old. I don't want to infer anything but I am guessing the fragment must be when I was really young.

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There are also sometimes moments of seeing people whom have unnaturally painted hair and rare facial features that trigger something like recall.

Like as if I have seen a similar face that is somewhat different. Those faces though make me assume that whomever is recalled must have been a good looking person. And for some strange reason it only occurs with women.

I haven't yet had any partial flash backs with women.

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Though in the memory with the gray curved surface there are tid bits that make me think I am somehow standing outside. I dunno why.

The general overall picture makes me infer a few things. (Which probably arent anywhere near accurate)

--I have met more than one woman whom was in my mind near age 5, An Advisor figure. A caretaker etc. Someone I depended on.

From the feel of the memory fragments I'd take a sub-concious stab that there were possible two Advisors.

One that was with me for a shorter period of time I think than the Advisor I know of Today. I dunno why, but as I typed that out right now, that somehow feels "right". Maybe I am being self suggestive or something.

--I have probably....nay likely....seen the Grey males in my youth in person. Or I have seen the side of a parked UFO.

--I feel that the males are the source of my terror. I do not know why exactly. But when I met them 2 decades after being born I noticed a very sharp recall before they attempted to abduct me that I had seen them before when I was small. So I am pretty convinced I have seen the males in my youth.

---That I have seen humanoids walking up to me in Blue clothing.

---That I have seen Blue colors like a sapphire/indigo blue light [or something] that was so pretty that it stayed with me. I think that is why Gray and Blue are presently my favorite colors. I think they hold special significance in some way. Possibly.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 5 Aug, 2010, 4:21pm

My present feelings are that My ET Group performed a cover-up and that was the reason why they needed to wipe my memories from before a certain time.

I believe that they ended up traumatizing me at some point and that the trauma relates to their physical appearance.

My "gut" (something which I rarely use) tells me that the reason why they go silent and cold turkey in a conversation when I want to see them in person....is probably because they are afraid they will trigger a recall of events.

Or

They have something to hide and by showing it things would fall into place in an unpleasant way.

=====================================================

The advisor makes claims that I was traumatized by one encounter. And that I supposedly tried to hurt one of the males in a frenzy and panic. I don't believe she is telling a lie....somehow.

I believe that [deja vu] is the reason they won't "Go there" in any conversations. It's like they have a huge secret to hide and as long as they avoid it it will never come out.

I believe something happened....something which may make them look bad if I recalled it.

Or

I believe they have decided (as the grey males once claimed) that they wouldn't show themselves until an agreed upon time. The Advisor echos that and sometimes I feel as if the one who established that was me.

Or at least that is what she leads me to believe.

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At first I assumed it was because the Advisor wasn't a humanoid and was something gangly or strange. But now I am convinced it is something that they did which caused the trauma.

Why would a kid whom is afraid reach out and grab something which they wouldn't want anywhere near them? That doesn't make any sense....

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My Guess is that they have hidden the event, but as a result they probably can't show themselves without risking breaking that coverup.

The problem with this is that when I did see the males in the flesh the only thing I remembered was that I had seen them before in my youth.

As I read their patterns on that night when they had their psychic mask turned off, I recalled I had seen them over many year. Even in the periods of time before I can recall.

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I recall they were the source of my night terrors when I was small. But I did not recall anything like what the Advisor described.

I do not recall going into a frenzy and hurting anyone.

If the males were the source of some trauma then surely I would have likely have remembered upon seeing their face. So if they aren't the source of the trauma then who is? What caused it? Or should I say Whom?

The fragments can't tell me much without someone opening Pandoras box. And I know the Advisor could if she really wanted to.

So why does she feel such fear and great hesitation at the time when I have pressed her that I want to remember? Why does she feel fear and shy away? I am the one with missing memories. What is the source of her fears?

I suspect it would radically change everything if I knew what the source of her fear was in letting me know.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by norenrad on 22 Aug, 2010, 6:12am

22 Mar, 2007, 2:42pm, abo wrote:

There were two persons ysensa and Merlyn who were quite sincere and trusted too much in spirit of Open Mind forum. They made one of them look crazy and another like Nazis. They give us a playground, thanks for that. But if somebody crosses an invisible line, he would be thrown away like an old useless thing. By the way if anybody knows where is our old pal resistthem?

Not with me, you won't. Although I do not share your experiences, I do find them very interesting. I do so because I have seen and experienced some of what you may consider casual.

I don't hear voices, but there have been a few times that I have felt that I should play out a different decision than what I was originally planning. Only once or twice was this feeling strong enough to actually be considered fear.

To be honest, I do read people very well. I can sometimes sense their feelings and I can almost always tell if that person is good or not, on varying levels.

Well, since I'm here, I might as well get this story off my chest as I am sure I have met an undesirable a few years ago.

I was walking with one of my co-workers on a job site when I noticed two individuals walking toward us. My co-worker noticed the taller one as someone he knew, they stopped and chatted for a while, but as they chatted, I noticed that the shorter one had stopped about 8 to 10 feet from us, he didn't approach us, but he stood there with his head bowed low and staring at me just under his eyebrows. This fellow didn't move, he didn't blink, he just stood at a distance and gave me the evil eye.

When my co-worker and his friend finished talking, the friend turned and walked toward his co-worker, which didn't look away from me until he was spoken to.

I watched this individual very closely. I wasn't afraid and I actually felt no threat from this person. As I may have subconsciously felt that I possessed the upper hand. What ever the case may be, that person definitely wanted to stay away from me and definitely didn't want me to approach him.

Funny how that works, because I wanted to approach as I'm usually very forward, but the idea of approaching and talking with this person seemed to have left my mind peacefully and I stayed where I was.

Is this something strange?

I have other weird stuff, but let's see how this flies first.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by edward on 22 Aug, 2010, 8:40pm

Fore,

You speak of Dejavu here just briefly and why they wont go there. Now just yesterday. As my mind was wondering, I was thinking about stories I have heard about people driving down the road and being taken out of their vechicle and put back in them while they are still moving but hours later and still driving just as fast as they were before the missing time event occured. Now I have wondered if I've been abducted many times, I'm almost positive I was on the astral plane. Anyways, as I was driving yesterday. And these thoughts were going through my head about how any being might take me with out me noticing it, in my physical body. Was it having a Dejavu moment? I was thinking that, It would be in that moment you come back already having that experience and hence the feeling of doing it before. So in essence you had the experience, was taken , they brought you back mere seconds to mins. from before you left. Then you have a Dejavu moment of having experienced something before. It came to me that this may be a possibility for explaining Dejavu and a possible indicator of one being taken?

Edward

5 Aug, 2010, 4:21pm, fore wrote:

My present feelings are that My ET Group performed a cover-up and that was the reason why they needed to wipe my memories from before a certain time.

I believe that they ended up traumatizing me at some point and that the trauma relates to their physical appearance.

My "gut" (something which I rarely use) tells me that the reason why they go silent and cold turkey in a conversation when I want to see them in person....is probably because they are afraid they will trigger a recall of events.

Or

They have something to hide and by showing it things would fall into place in an unpleasant way.

=====================================================

The advisor makes claims that I was traumatized by one encounter. And that I supposedly tried to hurt one of the males in a frenzy and panic. I don't believe she is telling a lie....somehow.

I believe that [deja vu] is the reason they won't "Go there" in any conversations. It's like they have a huge secret to hide and as long as they avoid it it will never come out.

I believe something happened....something which may make them look bad if I recalled it.

Or

I believe they have decided (as the grey males once claimed) that they wouldn't show themselves until an agreed upon time. The Advisor echos that and sometimes I feel as if the one who established that was me.

Or at least that is what she leads me to believe.

======================================================

At first I assumed it was because the Advisor wasn't a humanoid and was something gangly or strange. But now I am convinced it is something that they did which caused the trauma.

Why would a kid whom is afraid reach out and grab something which they wouldn't want anywhere near them? That doesn't make any sense....

=====================================================

My Guess is that they have hidden the event, but as a result they probably can't show themselves without risking breaking that coverup.

The problem with this is that when I did see the males in the flesh the only thing I remembered was that I had seen them before in my youth.

As I read their patterns on that night when they had their psychic mask turned off, I recalled I had seen them over many year. Even in the periods of time before I can recall.

-------------------------------

I recall they were the source of my night terrors when I was small. But I did not recall anything like what the Advisor described.

I do not recall going into a frenzy and hurting anyone.

If the males were the source of some trauma then surely I would have likely have remembered upon seeing their face. So if they aren't the source of the trauma then who is? What caused it? Or should I say Whom?

The fragments can't tell me much without someone opening Pandoras box. And I know the Advisor could if she really wanted to.

So why does she feel such fear and great hesitation at the time when I have pressed her that I want to remember? Why does she feel fear and shy away? I am the one with missing memories. What is the source of her fears?

I suspect it would radically change everything if I knew what the source of her fear was in letting me know.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by fore on 22 Aug, 2010, 9:57pm

22 Aug, 2010, 8:40pm, edward wrote:

Fore,

You speak of Dejavu here just briefly and why they wont go there. Now just yesterday. As my mind was wondering, I was thinking about stories I have heard about people driving down the road and being taken out of their vechicle and put back in them while they are still moving but hours later and still driving just as fast as they were before the missing time event occured. Now I have wondered if I've been abducted many times, I'm almost positive I was on the astral plane. Anyways, as I was driving yesterday. And these thoughts were going through my head about how any being might take me with out me noticing it, in my physical body. Was it having a Dejavu moment? I was thinking that, It would be in that moment you come back already having that experience and hence the feeling of doing it before. So in essence you had the experience, was taken , they brought you back mere seconds to mins. from before you left. Then you have a Dejavu moment of having experienced something before. It came to me that this may be a possibility for explaining Dejavu and a possible indicator of one being taken?

Edward

5 Aug, 2010, 4:21pm, fore wrote:

It's possible, however far fetched it sounds.

I think it was Jar magazine that covered an abduction like that.

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It is also possible that an ET might "take control", implant strong mental suggestions, or put a person into a very suggestible and controlled state remotely where their body moves without their conscious intent. Then the ET can ask them to "pull over". Perform the procedures, then put them back in the car, then repeat the process of putting them in a very suggestible state to continue as they were.

Once the ET stops the "suggestible state" (or the other two alternatives) you might find yourself already awake as if you just "snapped to" attention and are performing a complicated task (such as driving) while not being fully aware of it.

When you snap to, it should feel like you have just come out of a haze and your head should feel a little funny as if you were running on autopilot.

As the rest of your mind catches up to what is happening you might also begin to question (might being the operative word) how you got to that point.

Depends on whether the ET implant a suggestion or not to assist the appearance of continuity. Strong suggestions can be implanted so that your recognize the situations as being strange but feel that you shouldn't question it and simply continue on. Eventually the suggestion can assist a person into smoothing over an episode and it gets "forgotten" in a sense as a strange but "non-event".

Other folks might experience missing time as it happens where they can't recall a segment of time that came previously. As if the information had been erased or blotted out and then they suddenly find themselves continuing an activity they don't recall having started.

Or they may notice the unexplained passage of time between the last remembrance and the current moment after the "blackout" or "missing period of continuity".

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My deja vu was brought on simply by a discussion of events and "advice" as to how to perform better on a given scenario. Sort of like coaching.

Except usually it is a woman ?nordic? speaking to me in my sleep and showing me segments of the future displaced in time by a few months.

Sometimes it is a man of "some kind".

Usually the moment (or a series of moments) are brought up in my sleep as an "issue" to deal with. To deal with the situation in a different manner. Sometimes the presentation is pre-played from my point of view of pre-living the moment and being given advice as to how to handle the situation properly or "more elegantly" (my words).

As well as information being presented in light of future repercussions of a negative kind if I decide to proceed with my intended strategy. Such as I might be suspended if I do something and then showing a mental blueprint of events that leads up to it.

Including but not limited to showing me events (or in this case) posts that would have transpired on that given trajectory.

So preemptively whomever the woman is (and the man) are giving advice on how to stay out of trouble.

Other times they use it to reflect preemptive changes in my decisions that would have unfavorable consequences in real life in common scenarios.

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So when I relive the moment I recall the words of the unknown woman and/or the man. Then I follow that advice and prevent a probable future from transpiring.

I might even remember the segment that follows that particular one in real time (that was pre-discussed).

I guess someone cares from some strange reason??

Bewildering, I know...

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by edward on 22 Aug, 2010, 10:09pm

Thanks fore.

One thing that still lingers in my head and I guess I just have to share it, is this. The time I got abducted in my dream/astral state. Now this felt very real in the dream for I was able to hear and feel what was happening then the scene just ended. I will recount it here for you now. In my dream I was seemingly walking down the sidewalk in a familar place that looked like where I grew up. TinleyPark,IL. About 90 pecent of my ufo and alien dreams stem from this familar place from my dreams. Anyways it was night time and as I was walking down the sidewalk in this subdivision, I was then hit with this whitish light/beam from directly over head. It came with a sound and frequency with it. Of various modulations. There were two distinct sounds, one of a humming sound and one of a much higher pitch and it felt like my head/brain was segmented by this sound were as to half of my body was like paralize , when infact all of it was but I was able to make a slight distinction with being able to feel a little bit part of half of my body where the other half was just totally numb/imbolized. Anyways, I get upended and turned upside down, Im haning just mere feet in the air off the ground say like two-4feet and as this happens my glasses fall off of me. I am then thinking in my head/saying. You better not hurt me something along those lines and then after that , that dream sequence was over.

Edward

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by aquila on 23 Aug, 2010, 1:28am

_160 to 200 worlds that have life??
_and 4 to 5 which were considered paradise planets
_the earth being a backwater planet with hick country farmers
_

that certainly makes a lot of sense. but, what criteria determine whether a world is a paradise planet..??

what must a paradise planet be like??

somewhere is a world which has about twice the atmospheric pressure on earth rendering the sky an intense blue in the day time and blue crimson in the evening. the day on that world is about four times as long as on earth making photosynthesis a proficient activity - fruit develop into honey bearing bags and leaves are a dark blue green. the high atmospheric pressure imparts a hushed silence to the general ambient air. the neon and xenon content in the atmosphere causes the sky to glow at night. but plants also glow to get through the long darkness of night. a high mountainous region near the polar ice cap is forever covered with clouds. the rolling continent to the south is an expanse of wilderness green .. everywhere is the freshness and excitement of rain.

would the world described above qualify as a paradise planet??

if the planet venus had sufficient helium and water it too would probably develop into a paradise planet. the helium shell surrounding venus would reflect away intense sunlight enabling the planet to maintain a cool climate and an atmospheric pressure
nearly ten times that of the earth. the heavens would never be seen from the ground but the display of clouds and the helium shell would be impressive. and with a venusian day that lasts more than 100 earth days imagine the forest green that would cover the venusian queen

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by dove on 23 Aug, 2010, 1:49am

23 Aug, 2010, 1:28am, aquila wrote:

_160 to 200 worlds that have life??
_and 4 to 5 which were considered paradise planets
_the earth being a backwater planet with hick country farmers
_

that certainly makes a lot of sense. but, what criteria determine whether a world is a paradise planet..??

what must a paradise planet be like??

somewhere is a world which has about twice the atmospheric pressure on earth rendering the sky an intense blue in the day time and blue crimson in the evening. the day on that world is about four times as long as on earth making photosynthesis a proficient activity - fruit develop into honey bearing bags and leaves are a dark blue green. the high atmospheric pressure imparts a hushed silence to the general ambient air. the neon and xenon content in the atmosphere causes the sky to glow at night. but plants also glow to get through the long darkness of night. a high mountainous region near the polar ice cap is forever covered with clouds. the rolling continent to the south is an expanse of wilderness green .. everywhere is the freshness and excitement of rain.

would the world described above qualify as a paradise planet??

Depends. Who are the inhabitants?

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by mdonnall2002 on 10 Sept, 2010, 5:36am

@Fore:

Thanks for the replies 2900-2902. I failed to realize you answered my question until just recently.Been catching up on some off line reading.
May have to re-digest them for awhile....

Thanks

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by jakereason on 1 Oct, 2010, 7:18pm

Hi Fore,

Could you share any comments on this?

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/05/14/01565.html

snippet:

Dr Richard Boylan, an American behavioural scientist, anthropologist and clinical hypnotherapist, has studied Star Children phenomenon and their connection to close encounter experience. He offers a precise profile of Star Children and our intimate connection to extraterrestrials, or Star Visitors as he calls them. Dr Boylan is secretary of ACCET (the Academy of Clinical Close Encounter Therapists) in the USA, a professional body that encourages medical and psychological professions to be involved in this phenomenon. Boylan is convinced that Star Children are a reality and has created an organisation to support and educate families with these children. As president of the Star Kids Project (SKP) he organises workshops for Star Kids to help them and their parents cope with their extra psychic and intuitive abilities. He explains that the Starchild maybe defined as a child of both human and extraterrestrial origin. The ET contribution to the child's make-up may come from genetic engineering, from biomedical technology and from telepathic consciousness linking. Star Kids are psychically and metaphysically changed as a result of their own contacts with the 'visitors' or ETs modifying their parent's reproductive DNA.' He also believes that there is a link to what we now label Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD), a syndrome which almost magically appeared about 15-20 years ago when more of these children began to be recognised.

Dr Boylan and Doreen Virtue believe that these children are often misdiagnosed with syndromes as questionable as ADD. One reason Dr Boylan suggests is that 'these kids are just crushingly bored with the slow, pedestrian way they are being educated' and that is why they often misbehave. Doreen Virtue suggests that Indigo and Crystal children can be also diagnosed as autistic or having Asperger's syndrome. More research is warranted to explore such possibilities.

There are numerous accounts where the contactee or experiencer recalls details of their genetic material being harvested. Dr John Mack, former Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School wrote about the subject of genetic material being taken in his book Abduction. I have covered this important fact in my book Awakening, in the chapter on missing pregnancies. Many of my clients, both male and female, recall experiences when this procedure occurred. Some women also believe that their genetic material has been taken and altered in some way prior to their pregnancy. They say they knew the child was different or special because of this. What I found astonishing was that many of these children seemed to have an awareness that they were different. A letter to ACERN states:

"Yes I have always believed I was from elsewhere, and, like I said, I used to speak and write in a strange language in private. Sometimes, even in front of my mum, I used to cry because I felt so different. I would tell her not to touch me, as it was dangerous, and I am not yours. I am one of them. When the.. [ETs] used to leave, I would get upset and believe they had left me behind, which made me angry and upset. I have memories of planets with golden buildings' - James Basil (UK)."

What are these differences, apart from higher physical and psychological functioning? Generally they are enhanced psychic and intuitive abilities, with an awareness of universal knowledge and even their true genetic origins. 'I am not yours' implies that some Starchildren are aware they are connected in some way to the extraterrestrial beings who visit them.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by livewire on 1 Oct, 2010, 11:17pm

It would be interesting to know if their DNA has been looked at and wever it differs from the norm.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by magfrey on 2 Oct, 2010, 5:34am

Jake quotted this in thaat previous interview about star children:

When the.. [ETs] used to leave, I would get upset and believe they had left me behind, which made me angry and upset.

What is weird is that when I was visited I had this same feeling but was more like I was abandoned and was crying "why did you leave." That is why I have such a dedication toward them. It was instilled somehow in my past. I am not really sure it was a past life though but always felt it was some repressed or more like missing memory of who they were. Just the emotional attachment was unlocked is all.(when 38 years old) Not their faces or the situation of who or when or in what was happening then. I mean I have no recollection of when I developed this feeling toward this family or group..or whoever. It is just a feeling of abandonment from a unit or group of beings. Can not recall any details though. This is some sort of mind controll it would seem.

I would like to even say it was from a past life but I never seriously considered that, but it is possible since it is so vague. I see the Matrix story ..Truman Cash is speaking of past life as if it is no big deal. I am not sure about this but anything is possible it seems. I never reaally considered it being from a past life untill reading that. It seemed more like a mental implant that was instilled early on since I did revert back to childhood. It was obviously a portion of a bigger picture , but the whole picture was left out. I mean as to who it was . I was just left with this estranged feeling of abandonment that did instill total loyalty out of I guess one could say "I wanted them to like me." That is why I am on their side even in the face of all this other hogwash, bashing, lies and deceptive stuff, tricks and games. I guess it is ok since they are God. Never considered Satan as even being part of it actually. Always assumed it was coming from the same source since logically it would seem God had power over everything. He would not allow his sheep to be hurt. Yea I know..it seems ludicrous.

lu·di·crous/ˈlo͞odəkrəs/
Adjective: So foolish, unreasonable, or out of place as to be amusing.

amusing or laughable through obvious absurdity, incongruity, exaggeration, or eccentricity. 2. : meriting derisive laughter or scorn as absurdly inept,

Anyway ..why would a God play games like this? That is the big question. Obviously it is a pre awakening and a way to get adjusted for something else further down the road so to speak.

As far as a devil goes, some of the tricks can be rather frightening also.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by winniethepooh4102 on 2 Oct, 2010, 5:57am

Myriads little glimmering lights in the darkness
saying something else different about the reality?
I would say only gradual differences in the perceptions
and in the interactions, otherwise our world would be
changed so far.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by magfrey on 2 Oct, 2010, 6:00am

Oh hi there ..I was just modifying my last post. Read it again and see the difference. It can give an indication of how my mind works. Add a little more and get carried away on another tangent.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by winniethepooh4102 on 2 Oct, 2010, 6:13am

Every mind has its own universe, the cross points
of these universes make our common reality.
Making more cross points you can prove that
your reality is better.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by magfrey on 2 Oct, 2010, 6:36am

This is the first time I posted this thread. It seems a good one but I need to read it through. That is the hard part. Maby is better to remain not aware of what was said in this this thread? But then again there must be something in there to shed some light on what either lies ahead or what was not fully understood before. I mean in the interaction of the visitation .

It would seem that other intelligences from other dimentions are intersecting with us. That is the cross point. The other world is at a right angle from this one is one theory. The cornerstone, the cross. The Masons square also. The Freemasons also had those symbols.

Um..you know it could also mean "the temple" as in the temple descends since the tee square was a tool for building.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by edward on 3 Oct, 2010, 9:59am

I as well. I have had the feeling of not being left behind this time. Where I felt I was before and didnt want that to happen again.

Edward

2 Oct, 2010, 5:34am, magfrey wrote:

Jake quotted this in thaat previous interview about star children:

When the.. [ETs] used to leave, I would get upset and believe they had left me behind, which made me angry and upset.

What is weird is that when I was visited I had this same feeling but was more like I was abandoned and was crying "why did you leave." That is why I have such a dedication toward them. It was instilled somehow in my past. I am not really sure it was a past life though but always felt it was some repressed or more like missing memory of who they were. Just the emotional attachment was unlocked is all.(when 38 years old) Not their faces or the situation of who or when or in what was happening then. I mean I have no recollection of when I developed this feeling toward this family or group..or whoever. It is just a feeling of abandonment from a unit or group of beings. Can not recall any details though. This is some sort of mind controll it would seem.

I would like to even say it was from a past life but I never seriously considered that, but it is possible since it is so vague. I see the Matrix story ..Truman Cash is speaking of past life as if it is no big deal. I am not sure about this but anything is possible it seems. I never reaally considered it being from a past life untill reading that. It seemed more like a mental implant that was instilled early on since I did revert back to childhood. It was obviously a portion of a bigger picture , but the whole picture was left out. I mean as to who it was . I was just left with this estranged feeling of abandonment that did instill total loyalty out of I guess one could say "I wanted them to like me." That is why I am on their side even in the face of all this other hogwash, bashing, lies and deceptive stuff, tricks and games. I guess it is ok since they are God. Never considered Satan as even being part of it actually. Always assumed it was coming from the same source since logically it would seem God had power over everything. He would not allow his sheep to be hurt. Yea I know..it seems ludicrous.

lu·di·crous/ˈlo͞odəkrəs/
Adjective: So foolish, unreasonable, or out of place as to be amusing.

amusing or laughable through obvious absurdity, incongruity, exaggeration, or eccentricity. 2. : meriting derisive laughter or scorn as absurdly inept,

Anyway ..why would a God play games like this? That is the big question. Obviously it is a pre awakening and a way to get adjusted for something else further down the road so to speak.

As far as a devil goes, some of the tricks can be rather frightening also.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by magfrey on 3 Oct, 2010, 6:50pm

Edward...did I ever show you my story? I mean I was visited and felt they finally came back and was crying "why did you leave?."

http://jeeze1999.00sf.com/part-01.html

If you scroll down about 40 percent of the page , the the title "the second night" you can read the part where I meet them again and the instilled long lost family is recognized.

I know a lot of the writing is sort of jumbled up. I just threw it all out but is hard to follow. At the time I was not a good writer.

Are you serious that you were literally left behind also. I thought I was a rare bird.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by magfrey on 4 Oct, 2010, 6:21am

Seriously I am nor joshing you this is an actual encounter. I was visited and left behind in a sense. Maby that is what these new age books are speaking about. The left behind series.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by magfrey on 7 Oct, 2010, 3:14am

Come on Edward. Tell me you believe . It that hard to believe? I read a few paragraphs and thought it was a good description, considering. Why does nobody ever answer or support me? Basically I have no ambivalence or disrespect for them. They are like a long lost family that left me and finally came back. I did have rage feelings but they seemed to be trying to help me with this.

This is not your Karla Turner type negative alien encounter where -the people are totally in opposition to them. Nor is it the Christian alien hate type story's where they call out in the name of Jesus to get rid of the demons. The C4 group and all the others . That is why it's an oddball. They literally poured it on and glorified me and told me to be Jesus in a sense. They used stuff off religious radio stations and actually did an interactive program using Biblical stuff. See how I even explained how they used songs off the radio since I left it on all night. Later I was able to figure out how they could do this. It was because they could see over the horizon of time, that gave them the ability to implant ideas and then the radio would answer. It was a combination of another intelligence actually overriding mine and mixing. They can blend in so well. Right?

Anyway I need to read this thread . Why is it so hard to get anybody to give any feedback? I have started two or three threads and every one fizzles out. Have never seen a gray. It was not part of the plan it seems.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by edward on 7 Oct, 2010, 4:18pm

3 Oct, 2010, 6:50pm, magfrey wrote:

Edward...did I ever show you my story? I mean I was visited and felt they finally came back and was crying "why did you leave?."

http://jeeze1999.00sf.com/part-01.html

If you scroll down about 40 percent of the page , the the title "the second night" you can read the part where I meet them again and the instilled long lost family is recognized.

I know a lot of the writing is sort of jumbled up. I just threw it all out but is hard to follow. At the time I was not a good writer.

Are you serious that you were literally left behind also. I thought I was a rare bird.

No consciously the feeling of it , I was saying. Of having this rememberance through that feeling. Like it has happened before.

Edward

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by edward on 7 Oct, 2010, 4:23pm

Yeah I'm going to read it I got your page up now, just got back to this string today. Np man.

Edward

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by edward on 7 Oct, 2010, 6:41pm

Mags,

All very interesting. I honestly don't know what to tell you. Just so much possibilities as to why you were having those experiences. You where having quite the experience. I don't know what to tell you but to say, WoW, that was really something else.

I would say learn to trust your self and love your self. Be the person you want to be. Forgive yourself for what ever transgressions you may have done to yourself or others. Forgive others for what they may have done and just like my Signature says, " You've got to let it all go, Fear, Doubt and disbelief. Free your mind" -The Matrix

Edward

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by magfrey on 9 Oct, 2010, 5:23am

Yea ..That is true. I need to study this thread and finish the second part of the matrix story and also study the

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.c....ead=3195&page=1

And a few other threads actually so to have a better feeling of it all.

http://www.lyricus.org/

http://www.wingmakers.com/interviews.html

This seems interesting. It is also nice to keep some stuff for later.

Also want to study the Dan thread. Am not sure what that is about. Also the source A maby. also the cropcircles thread has a lot of stuff to research.

But yea..I have been working on the fear and am not sure about the doubt. Doubt about what? It is easy to get caught up in debate. I don't really believe the general idea that satan is separate from God and also don't really accept all the trumped up charges of abuse since a lot is implanted thoughts and not actual events. It is a way to face fear it would seem but this is taken and distorted. People who don't trust them will really warp it in one direction, although it seems all good in accomplishing the same end...as far as getting used to the idea of being visited.

I sort of defend them the way a Christian defends the God of the Bible. I have the same loyalty. God can do no wrong. Whatever people have happen to them they deserve somehow. But yea , I know that doesn't seem right often but maby some have to be a sacrifice.

I took abuse from the world for them also, but it was a lesson also. Being in the army and being abused by a drill sargent or just an abusive work or marriage situation can be the same no doubt. LOL It does teach you tolerance and to be humble since it shows the eye of the beholder syndrome. You know people are up in arms against the alians and they have not even been visited yet. They are just going on what other stories are saying. Some do find it amusing and facinating.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by magfrey on 9 Oct, 2010, 5:45pm

This is really interesting: http://www.travis-walton.com/aliens.html See on the second page it gets more interesting.

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by natural on 12 Nov, 2010, 12:58pm

4 Feb, 2007, 7:13am, fore wrote:

Prologue, When I was a child (4 years and younger) the Grey's (I didn't get to see them) used to pose as male disembodied voices and I found that disturbing so I never trusted males entities ever again. I would have nightmares of feeling like I was levitating from my bed with my eyes closed and feeling this unbelievable force push me deep into a sleeping void. In this void (sleeping state) I felt like current was running through my body and I stopped feeling the bed and generally would wake up crying or scared because I would be (the sensation at least) dropped onto the bed. Before these encounters, I would always sense a dreaded presence just seconds before the rest of the numerously repeated patterns of sensations occurred. This happened I think about every 3 days. For some reason, when I grew up, I would forget and did not remember this until a family member brought up night terrors I used to have. I thought it was just apparitions who bothered me in my sleep by giving me nightmares of them chasing me. The caretaker (pleiadian chick) would comfort me till I forgot and fell back asleep.

Later, she wanted me to make a contract with her but she would not tell me what it was and why. She said another part of me had already had this explained to, but that i would have to agree and that if I did, she would block my memory of everyday before that contract. She said the contract would only last till I was about 21 or 22 years old. And that if I wished to extend it after that point she would see when the time came. She said she needed "me to help her". I quickly agreed. She said I shouldn't take that decision so lightly and that I should take a while and think about it.

omg! oh my god!! oh My goooood!! i had the same experience !!! and I know now that these beings lie they say they are pleiadian or this and that but they aren´t!!! and its correct they just can do with you what they want if you give them permission!!!! so they will ask for your help (they need you)... yeah sure... they just want that you give the any permission so they can take over your life, your mind - and everything in between!!! the greys aare not extraterestrial they are from earth but from another version which exists in another spin-configuration... our reality goes from past into future but just because our spin-configuration of the hole quantum system is configured this one way...but there are millions of other possibilitys for other configurations so there are millions of other versions of our history and earth in other parallel-dimensions... and they are from there... they travel not from galaxy to galaxy.. they just go from one holographic mind-field to another holographic mind-field..

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by trumancash on 12 Nov, 2010, 8:31pm

9 Oct, 2010, 5:45pm, magfrey wrote:

This is really interesting: http://www.travis-walton.com/aliens.html See on the second page it gets more interesting.

That's a good link to the Travis Walton case. CONTACT FROM RETICULUM, a book by Wendell Stevens, also has those paintings of Walton's experiences (but not in color).

The movie that they made from Travis Walton's experiences was ludicrous. They did not in any way portray what Walton said he remembered. However, these paintings of Walton's experiences, with both human-looking and small pale beings, are phenomenol. If memory serves, I think the artist was a friend to Walton.

If anyone out there has a copy of that book by Wendell Stevens and would consider selling it, please contact me. I lost my copy in a divorce.

TLC

Re: My Experiences (Grey, Pleiadeans and Oddities)
Post by whitebelt on 8 Dec, 2010, 4:05pm

Fore, Thank you for this fascinating thread. I just discovered it last week and have read through the whole thing(almost)...I did read all of your posts though.

I have a couple of questions about things that seem a bit unclear to me...

You mentioned earlier that the different groups divided regions into distinct territories of "jurisdiction." The adviser originally owned the territory in which you were born, but when you moved to the US which is grey territory she had to make a deal. Is this how the little "males" came into the picture?

I never understood why the adviser was forced to work with the greys at all! You both seemed to hate them.

You also talked about the "others" and the "benevolents." Are the males working for the others or on the same team as the adviser? Is there any possibility that the males or any part of the group worked with the others?

What about the memory you had before you were born where you called out to your mom from just outside her womb? If its possible for them to implant false memories couldn't they have done the same to your mother?

Also what about that Miriam Delicado contact? At first you said that you were in alignment with her but then you became suspicious of her group and thought she was brainwashed...something to the effect of ..." I know how they treat those types of contacts." Could you elaborate a bit please on what you meant? Do you think her story is a deception?

thanks...

whitebelt